Do you agree with this essay's point of Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation?

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Poll Do you agree with this essay's point of Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation? (26 votes)

Yes, it's possible. 15%
No way, full of bull shit. 85%

He basically says you can enjoy have sex with same sex people as much as you want and you still can identified yourself as straight.

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Strictly going off your summary of the essays argument, i tend to agree it is possible.

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@rhubarb:

https://scholars.org/contribution/why-some-men-have-sex-men-identify-straight-not-gay-or-bisexual-and-implications

This is the essay.

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@nightbornhulk:

Thanks i'll give it a look in a bit. Tad busy with my own essays at the moment unfortunately.

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#4  Edited By nightbornhulk

@rhubarb:

Anyway how it is possible?

If you are straight how can you even getting turned on by other men's body?

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@nightbornhulk:

Well in the article, he differentiates between sexual orientation and identity. He seems to have not delved into the explicit reasons for how they become attracted to other men. He instead provides speculation such as sexuality changing over time, expressing sexual desires on another person when their partners are unable to fulfill this role, having certain fantasies and desires.

Certainly an interesting article, but quite brief and speculative, especially considering the confines of its samples demographic.

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I honestly can't comprehend how someone can identify as strictly heterosexual and also willingly have sexual relations with someone of their same gender.

According to the article, the men sampled were rural men who said they enjoy the perks of being a part of "straight" culture such as being a father and being married. Basically, two things any gay man in America can do. Sure there is probably more of a stigma against those things in more rural parts of the country but they also have the freedom to just as easily move to somewhere more accepting of their lifestyle.

For me, any way you cut it, these men are at the very least bisexual and the only reason they "identify" as straight is due to where they live. Just move to a blue state and you won't have to live a lie anymore is what I'd tell any of them.

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If a man sticks his dangling dong inside another man, he is either gay or bi; he can't be straight.

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#8  Edited By McFlicky

Speaking from personal experience this kinda sounds like denial to me. You can still be supportive of grsm but still have internalized homophobia, biphobia, etc. Also, sexual and romantic attraction are two different things. A person can be bisexual/heteroromantic, or asexual/homoromantic, etc. I don't know what goes on in other people's heads so I'm not willing to say it's total nonsense, but I did go through a similar phase and was in deep denial throughout my teens.

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#10  Edited By ReaperTheGrim

If you enjoy a man's dick up your ass ur not straight.

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The Macedonian way, when your off fighting a war you shag blokes an when you come back you settle down with your wife and kids

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#13  Edited By mimisalome

That reminds me of the case of the serial killer named Carl Panzram.

He was sexually abuse as a child and probably developed a fetish for gay sex and sadism.

I would imagine it is similar to the idea of "Pavlov conditioning".

Kinda like if we were train to associate an activity to pleasurable experience, we tend to develop a habit of it.

Children are said to vulnerable to such conditioning.

So if a straight person tend to develop a fetish for gay sex, one can assume he was conditioned to it when he was young.

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If you’re straight then no. Wtf

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Education in 2020. How gayest of sex ain't gay.

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#16  Edited By WolverineBatmanFTW  Online

@mimisalome said:

That reminds me of the case of the serial killer named Carl Panzram.

He was sexually abuse as a child and probably developed a fetish for gay sex and sadism.

I would imagine it is similar to the idea of "Pavlov conditioning".

Kinda like if we were train to associate an activity to pleasurable experience, we tend to develop a habit of it.

Children are said to vulnerable to such conditioning.

So if a straight person tend to develop a fetish for gay sex, one can assume he was conditioned to it when he was young.

Or maybe they're just bisexual or gay and in denial. Occam's razor, you know.

But sure, let's convolute the situation with pop psychology and serial killer narratives.

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#17  Edited By mimisalome

@wolverinebatmanftw:

Do bisexual identify themselves as straight (heterosexual)?

I'm not arguing that they are not bisexual (which is an assumption that would imply that they are in denial).

But given the description in the OP, I would assume that they do not identify as bisexual.

They identify as straight (heterosexual), and therefore there is a reason behind them engaging in sexual activity that is not particularly similar with bisexualism.

Im not covulating anything.

I'm just sticking with the premise of the case.

And just implying that there are other actual and real alternative possibilities other than your so-called "Occam's Razors" (gay bisexual in denial).

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I am confusion.

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#19  Edited By WolverineBatmanFTW  Online

@mimisalome said:

@wolverinebatmanftw:

Do bisexual identify themselves as straight (heterosexual)?

I'm not arguing that they are not bisexual (which is an assumption that would imply that they are in denial).

But given the description in the OP, I would assume that they do not identify as bisexual.

They identify as straight (heterosexual), and therefore there is a reason behind them engaging in sexual activity that is not particularly similar with bisexualism.

Im not covulating anything.

I'm just sticking with the premise of the case.

And just implying that there are other actual and real alternative possibilities other than your so-called "Occam's Razors" (gay bisexual in denial).

Having gay sex is not a fetish. It is an element of one's sexuality that lends to them being either gay, bisexual or pansexual. This person is clearly in denial. Internalized homophobia is a widely recognized phenomenon. Regardless of whether this person identifies as straight, if they are having sex with members of their own gender, they are not. That's it. This isn't particularly difficult. You said the person was perhaps "conditioned" to enjoy gay sex. This doesn't happen. People aren't conditioned to develop different sexualities. People either accept the fact that they're homosexual, bisexual or pansexual, or they remain in denial and present themselves as straight.

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Having gay sex is not a fetish. It is an element of one's sexuality that lends to them being either gay, bisexual or pansexual. This person is clearly in denial. Internalized homophobia is a widely recognized phenomenon. Regardless of whether this person identifies as straight, if they are having sex with members of their own gender, they are not. That's it. This isn't particularly difficult. You said the person was perhaps "conditioned" to enjoy gay sex. This doesn't happen. People aren't conditioned to develop different sexualities. People either accept the fact that they're homosexual, bisexual or pansexual, or they remain in denial and present themselves as straight.

"Gay sex" just imply an (sexual) activity.

It just mean a sexual activity that involves individuals of the same sex.

Participants may either be gay or not (eg: non-consensual sex or in prostitution).

It's an activitity that is not exclusive to the gay people.

As everyone has biological sexual characteristics and there are no physical laws in the universe that can prevent people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity for whatever reasons (being gay or otherwise).

"Gay sex" as generic activity can be an object or focus of fetishistic behavior, just like anything else in the world.

It is not some divine sacred metaphysical thing that is outside the realms of behavioral conditioning.

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I would like to identify as a vegan then.

But I still prefer to eat meat.

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#22  Edited By barretstrife

If you are a man who %^& someone who wasn't born with a Vagina you are not straight. And all woman are bisexual. Op you don't need permission, do you.

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#23  Edited By alexsandro22

Yes, I agree. It's our own choice to be made. It's our choice how to live. I consider myself as a gay, I watch vibragame gay related videos, I read wiki about gays and other info, I talk to my friends-gays and it's our choice how we desire to live.

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#24 Lunacyde  Moderator

@alavanka said:

I would like to identify as a vegan then.

But I still prefer to eat meat.

That's actually a pretty apt example. Basically, you are one thing, but because of the social ramifications, you prefer to identify yourself to others as something different.

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If you enjoy a man's dick up your ass ur not straight.

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#27  Edited By NamelessMonster
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People answering yes, LOL.

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@nightbornhulk: Dont care. I dont care about with who other people have sex with, as long as they arent in a relationship with me, then I do care and am envious.

Anyways, no, if u have sex with both genders ur bi. because u wouldnt do it without having fun unless its rape.

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The link for the article does not work.

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Apparently Hitler are not a genocidal person now?

Is make no sense.

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If enjoying sex with a same sex person is straight then what makes someone gay?

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Doesn't that make you gae?

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What the hell......

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I spose it’s the same as having a tug