Do pornstars deserve to be treated with respect? and as equals?

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Poll Do pornstars deserve to be treated with respect? and as equals? (80 votes)

Yes 74%
No 26%

I say yes.

1. They're human. Disrespecting somebody because they're a sex worker despite not hurting anybody is stupid.

2. Selling your body isn't inherently bad.

3. They don't have sex all the time, people just see them have sex all the time because they're addicted to porn.

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#1 krisbishop  Moderator

Moved to Off-Topic.

OT: Sure. Regardless of what you think about sex work, anyone deserve to be treated as equal humans as long as they're not doing anything illegal or unethical.

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#2  Edited By BenjiBatts

Moved to Off-Topic.

OT: Sure. Regardless of what you think about sex work, anyone deserve to be treated as equal humans as long as they're not doing anything illegal or unethical.

Out of all the shit i've ever posted in off topic, it never gets votes. So i just thought fuck it and posted it in battles.

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As humans you should respect them regardless, now whether or not you have feelings for them beyond sexual that's on you.

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#4 krisbishop  Moderator

@benjibatts: Off-Topic definitely gets less attention than Battles, but threads still need to be in the right place.

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They are people like the others. With a somewhat special profession. But if they behave properly in everyday life, they deserve respect. I have a priori more respect for a porn star than for my banker.

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They are people aren't they?

So long as they aren't stealing, killing, raping, torturing others they deserve the same respect you should afford everyone as a human being.

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Of course, why wouldn't they be?

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Simple answer, They should, but they will not!

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Yes, while not having one of most respectable professions they are just like any other people. Many made that choice and aren't hurting anybody. What they do with their body as well as their lives are not my or anyone's problem.

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Other than religious nuts, who doesn't like porn stars?

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Wow people have low standards an/or expectations around here

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No

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I would say Yes, though my Reaction to meeting certain Pornstars in real life may teeter from Respect to Something Else of the More Lovely Variety ?

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#15  Edited By AreneaCaulem

Depends on what type of category they're from (let's be honest, there are some f****** sick people out there.), most should be treated with respect for me.

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To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

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@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

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#18  Edited By dernman
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

You don''t have to have a family or even traditional one. The point it that it's not something that should be encouraged or normalized in society. Leave it in the shade of society. I remember back in the day it was much more unacceptable than it is now. I remember thinking that people who like or star in porn shouldn't be so trashed as they were. Now like all things we've gone too far in the opposite direction and I don't think it's good for society.

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@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

You don''t have to have a family or even traditional one. The point it that it's not something that should be encouraged or normalized in society. Leave it in the shade of society. I remember back in the day it was much more unacceptable than it is now. I remember thinking that people who like or star in porn shouldn't be so trashed as they were. Now like all things we've gone too far in the opposite direction and I don't think it's good for society.

Times are changing along with morals, that's the problem.

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#20  Edited By dernman
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

You don''t have to have a family or even traditional one. The point it that it's not something that should be encouraged or normalized in society. Leave it in the shade of society. I remember back in the day it was much more unacceptable than it is now. I remember thinking that people who like or star in porn shouldn't be so trashed as they were. Now like all things we've gone too far in the opposite direction and I don't think it's good for society.

Times are changing along with morals, that's the problem.

That's what I'm pointing out. It's not for the better. Not all change is good change and we should stop acting like it is.

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@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

You don''t have to have a family or even traditional one. The point it that it's not something that should be encouraged or normalized in society. Leave it in the shade of society. I remember back in the day it was much more unacceptable than it is now. I remember thinking that people who like or star in porn shouldn't be so trashed as they were. Now like all things we've gone too far in the opposite direction and I don't think it's good for society.

Times are changing along with morals, that's the problem.

That's what I'm pointing out. It's not for the better. We've gone too far.

The problem with this is that this is from the older generations perspective, it's bad, but from the new generations perspective, it's fine. This happens way too often. Imagine what would of happened if people from the 1800 found out that minorities and women has rights now? I'm not saying the change that's happening now is bad or good, just saying that different generations would have different views upon things. Most of the changes nowadays are happening rapidly due to technological advances, which is one reason why the older gen see the new gen as lazy, but in reality they just have more tools to make the job easier.

Me personally, I'm not going to say it's a bad or good thing on this topic, If they wanna be in that industry, fine. It doesn't affect me at all.

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#22  Edited By dernman
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:
@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

This varies to some extent, I don't want to say it runs in the family, but Some actors also marry actresses, Some parents do it (consensually of course), and some just don't have the traditional family life style. Some don't even have family and it's the only way (obviously not the only way, but easiest.) way they can make money. Then you also have the few that try to keep it a secret until they normal family finds out.

You don''t have to have a family or even traditional one. The point it that it's not something that should be encouraged or normalized in society. Leave it in the shade of society. I remember back in the day it was much more unacceptable than it is now. I remember thinking that people who like or star in porn shouldn't be so trashed as they were. Now like all things we've gone too far in the opposite direction and I don't think it's good for society.

Times are changing along with morals, that's the problem.

That's what I'm pointing out. It's not for the better. We've gone too far.

The problem with this is that this is from the older generations perspective, it's bad, but from the new generations perspective, it's fine.

This happens way too often. Imagine what would of happened if people from the 1800 found out that minorities and women has rights now? I'm not saying the change that's happening now is bad or good, just saying that different generations would have different views upon things. Most of the changes nowadays are happening rapidly due to technological advances, which is one reason why the older gen see the new gen as lazy, but in reality they just have more tools to make the job easier.

Me personally, I'm not going to say it's a bad or good thing on this topic, If they wanna be in that industry, fine. It doesn't affect me at all.

The problem with that is it only goes so far and that there is enough of the newer generation that doesn't like that. Further more there you have to have some standard that goes regardless of generation. Let's use an extreme example. If we push that logic of changing morals then you could say rape or murder was ok if societies morals changed with the next generation. Sorry no that's not ok whether the next generation says it is. Take traditional family. Want to get scientific? More and more people have been ok with non traditional familys steering away from two parents and kids traditional one, More ok with broken homes. Some people pushing for abolishing them all together. THat is in spite of countless studies saying it's better for the children and society as a whole. Newer does not mean better. Being too ok with something doesn't mean it's a good thing to be ok with. I'm not talking about abolishing porn. I like porn. I'm saying it shouldn't be so acceptable as it's become nor as accessible. Now before you say well that's different that's extreme. Remember before my generation porn being as acceptable as is now would have been considered extreme if you told someone. Remember celebrating and mocking someones death over a disease because they refused to take something that is being forced on them would have been considered extreme. Now we have people saying do it for the moral good. All change isn't good. There should be lines where you say stop time to back up some.

People think that pushing forward is always a good thing it's not. It's about balance.

You want to bring up rights of a group. Take the rights of any group. You want equality. Imagine progressing beyond that. You don't get equality you get inequality. Imagine saying hey we've gone to far then someone telling you. Well morals have changed and the newer generation is ok with that. Tech is advancing rapidly but the wisdom isn't keeping up.

PS. The older younger generation thing you just mentioned. You're over simplifying it.

These days people are in fact more lazy than they were and it''s not just the younger generation though it's more focused with them. Well to be specific in the more developed countries. More comfort and easy living makes people more lazy. Even my generation was less hardworking than the last. When I was young I use to laugh when the older generation usee to say that now with experience there is some truth too it. We're entitled. It's doesn't mean it's right in every situation when an older person says it but in many ways it's true. I've seen many low tier jobs where different age people are working the same job. Companies will struggle to get younger people to work overtime but the older gens love it. Take someone coming from a less developed country against an american worker. Who do you think in general is going to work harder for shittier job and be happy about it. We've become entitled, lazy and spoiled in many ways. THat is not to say companies are not assholes who won't take advantage of you, screw you over for their benefit because they absolutely are.

We've gotten side tracked. Bringing it back to the beginning. Is be decent to everyone just don't encourage and normalize things that probably shouldn't. Strive to be better if you can. Working in porn isn't that. Treating someone who works in porn as subhuman isn't that either.

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Y'all are making the page look sloppy with all that quoting.

To answer the question, why not? That's on them what they want to do with THEIR body.

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#24  Edited By dernman

It's called having a discussion with someone on an open forum. Not quoting is rude and bad form.

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@dernman: Honestly for the things that we would consider to far would all depend on the new generation, because once our generation is gone, we wouldn't have a say so in what the next generations would have. Pushing forward has it's benefit along with it's consequences, but change is constant and nothing ever remains the same forever. I'm just going to enjoy the rest of my generation while I can because I know some thing are going to change that I'm not going to like.

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#26  Edited By dernman
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@dernman: Honestly for the things that we would consider to far would all depend on the new generation, because once our generation is gone, we wouldn't have a say so in what the next generations would have.

The problem with that is multiple generations live together at the same time. Two I don't care if i'm not around. Some things are just plain wrong. Having sex with children is wrong no matter if my generation is here or not. You shouldn't stop caring about the future if you're not around.

Pushing forward has it's benefit along with it's consequences, but change is constant and nothing ever remains the same forever.

Pushing forward is no different than holding standards in the fact they both come with benefits and consequences.

The problem with your perspective is you only see one way as the way you should do it. It's just the flip side of the same coin of those people who want nothing to change. Where as I see it's a combination of the two.

Many things can and will change but not everything should change. THings are more complicated then the over simplified talking points you're giving. By your argument it allows bad practices to be ok because things change if it went in that direction. You have to have some line you don't cross. Your going forward could end up a circle to the same atrocities we work so hard to get away from not just new ones.

I'm just going to enjoy the rest of my generation while I can because I know some thing are going to change that I'm not going to like.

Which brings me to another problem with the way you see things. One I brought up earlier in this post. How f'd up the mentality is that an adult don't get a say in how things are in society if you're a certain age. I get if you're too young because you have no experience with life but not an adult. Sorry preteens you know shit. If you're an adult and live in society you get a say period.

Edit: Some ideas can live beyond you too because there should be lines.

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With respect? Yes. As equals? No

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#28  Edited By dernman
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With respect? Yes. As equals? No

I wouldn't use equals but I can't think of what I would use off the top of my head.

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@dernman said:
@areneacaulem said:

@dernman: Honestly for the things that we would consider to far would all depend on the new generation, because once our generation is gone, we wouldn't have a say so in what the next generations would have.

The problem with that is multiple generations live together at the same time. Two I don't care if i'm not around. Some things are just plain wrong. Having sex with children is wrong no matter if my generation is here or not. You shouldn't stop caring about the future if you're not around.

Pushing forward has it's benefit along with it's consequences, but change is constant and nothing ever remains the same forever.

Pushing forward is no different than holding standards in the fact they both come with benefits and consequences.

The problem with your perspective is you only see one way as the way you should do it. It's just the flip side of the same coin of those people who want nothing to change. Where as I see it's a combination of the two.

Many things can and will change but not everything should change. THings are more complicated then the over simplified talking points you're giving. By your argument it allows bad practices to be ok because things change if it went in that direction. You have to have some line you don't cross. Your going forward could end up a circle to the same atrocities we work so hard to get away from not just new ones.

I'm just going to enjoy the rest of my generation while I can because I know some thing are going to change that I'm not going to like.

Which brings me to another problem with the way you see things. One I brought up earlier in this post. How f'd up the mentality is that an adult don't get a say in how things are in society if you're a certain age. I get if you're too young because you have no experience with life but not an adult. Sorry preteens you know shit. If you're an adult and live in society you get a say period.

Edit: Some ideas can live beyond you too because there should be lines.

I think the problem with me is I'm more of a go with the flow person, I don't really stand up until something BIG actually happens.

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@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

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Yeah, they're basically playing characters for us to jerk off to, it's not a crime or anything.

Unless the Porn they make is some sick, disgusting shit, Porn stars are just regular people.

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Naturally of course. Inherently as people. Funny thing is though, is you used the word respect, and there have been some recent dialogue and discussion around the term and its application by different people. Meaning... someone, but especially online, you can get a lot of conflict, because you will have different people using the same term but deviating from the same meaning.

So roughly, there are some people who use the term, with the emphasis towards one definition and its association with authority, with some implicit distinction, and others towards another definition, generally more all encompassing basic, and say around empathy. Compare attitudes like "my father taught me respect is earned and not given" in competition with "I was taught that all humans are deserving or respect inherently" one is a power dynamic between individuals, the other sentiment about rights we deem valuable enough to view as ideals granted to all within say a society.

I tend to go with the latter. Porn star is basically just a sex worker who is more famous, possibly a celebrity of some sort. At its most basic, all people deserve respect, sex work just has heavy stigma. Not a new stigma, it can fluctuate through history and cultures for various reason. The reason why in many countries in modern times, sex work, porn etc is more accepted is because of technology and transparency, or at least, the difficulty in hiding ones actions. Its really easy to stick you nose up about the moral failings of pornography and brothels before discreet video recording, internet browsing history, etc was invented. Basically a lot of people are hypocrites. Sex and sex work will continue to have a stigma though, because people are often okay with really blatant and obvious lies, especially if it protects their own lies. Like sure there was that Politician that was pro family values and opposed LGBQT bills, who was caught in an orgy without his third and present wife, but ehhh.

That being said, like most things, sex work is too broad and large, porn stars, are human, the porn industry is run by humans, there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed in that industry and a lot of people in it, that deserve basic respect, but not necessarily your admiration, time, appreciation, regard etc (certain definitions of respect) but thats true of most industries, movie stars, politics, sports stars, so on.

You can also tell a lot about a society by the way they treat their elderly, children, poor, disabled and sex workers. Some countries do really well on international studies and stats that reflect generally agreed upon ideals, like freedom, human happiness, equity, socioeconomic mobility, etc, and I'll let you make guesses about how they treat and view sex work compared to others lower down...

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@lunacyde said:

They are people aren't they?

So long as they aren't stealing, killing, raping, torturing others they deserve the same respect you should afford everyone as a human being.

@dernman said:

To a point. Don't treat people like trash but don't normalize it either. This may be unpopular but their job shouldn't be encouraged and should be frowned upon. I can be friends with a porn star but is that what you want your daughter/son or mother/dad doing? Your wife/husband?

How dare you two bring logic into this thread? :P

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Why should they be treated differently just because they like having sex and having it filmed for profit? There's nothing wrong with them or their career, and it doesn't hurt anyone. They're Human, too, and deserve as much rights as the non-porn people do.

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Of course, In fact I'll masturbate right now, pay some homage to them.

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Yeah, obviously.

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I voted yes as all people should be treated with respect and dignity as you would yourself. However i do not find there action to be good or morally correct.

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Of course, In fact I'll masturbate right now, pay some homage to them.

Lol 😂🤣

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i hate pornstars but they should still be treated like human beings

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@coolcat4: Whats wrong with what they're doing ? It's a job

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#42  Edited By kgb725

Outside of being a prude or garbage religious reasons what's the issue ?

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Respect- (as in if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all/ treat people as you would want them to treat you) Yes

Equals- (as in what I'm thinking in the back of my mind) they sell their bodies for a living, i don't and never will...of course I'll think I'm better than them

Now this is assuming that they are selling their bodies because they want to and not because they were forced to... I'm not commenting on the latter but the former.

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Respect- (as in if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all/ treat people as you would want them to treat you) Yes

Equals- (as in what I'm thinking in the back of my mind) they sell their bodies for a living, i don't and never will...of course I'll think I'm better than them

Now this is assuming that they are selling their bodies because they want to and not because they were forced to... I'm not commenting on the latter but the former.

technically speaking everyone sells their body for a living. It doesn't have to sexual in nature. Even manual labor is selling your body.

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#45  Edited By Spider-Simp

Yes, they deserve equal respect. A job is a job.

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@cosmic_reign said:
@antebellum said:

Of course, In fact I'll masturbate right now, pay some homage to them.

Lol 😂🤣

😂😂😂😂🤣 OT: Glad I won't be here when the world reverts back to the anything goes era.

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I think people on here need to watch porn star regret videos lol. Little bit eye opening

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Of course, In fact I'll masturbate right now, pay some homage to them.

You can send them your tribute by post.

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@seagod: use context bra... obviously I'm talking about selling your body sexually since this thread is in regards to porn...

And technically even by your logic, no not everyone sells their bodies; what about the people who are born rich and never have to work a day in their lives?

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@jacdec said:
@antebellum said:

Of course, In fact I'll masturbate right now, pay some homage to them.

You can send them your tribute by post.

Of course I'll, no worries.