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Republicans and Democrats decide they can't deal with each other anymore so they decide to separate. Democrats stay where they are, Republicans move to land the exact same size as America. they have the same amount of space, resources, ect

what is each country going to look like in the next 100 years, whose gonna be the next president of each America, which country will destroy its self first, will one last and the other won't, will they end up going to war pleas tell me how you think each country will fair

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just refer to the Democrat America as DA and Republican America as RA for short

anybody who consider themselves left will stay in DA and Right in Ra

moderates get a front row seat from Olympus to see how each country unfolds

Donald trump stars of as the President of RA and Hillary Clinton as the President as DA

no getting into any kind of war with each other for the first 25 years of each other

no contact with each other for 25 years, that time will be spent developing your economy so you don't have to worry about some kind of sneak attack, invasion or anything like that.

so what will you guys look like in 100 years and how will you develop?

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Frack that! Why does the Republicans have to move? Make the Dems move. OMG you're so bias.

I'm kidding.

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Tulsi 20/20 lol. Why Hillary she's horrible nustt like Trump.. why Not Tulsi she's better then both...eh oh well.... I THINK I'd form a new party staying right here that starts off the grid, growing in power in secret until we have a cue putting someone else in Control. Don't like Trump or Hillary..As a marine I'd probably have Tulsi lead the cue sicne she is actually military unlike the other two. Or myself of course..Of course all of this time were pretending to be DA. Our web growing and growing in Congress, the Senate, all the way down to mayors and Generals. Getting all the support we need. After the 20 years are over, Trump and his sheep Invade to take back America against the Hillary dry-boarding clones. Feeding both sides false Information until they reduce each other. A the right moment we take control, put Hillary and Trump behind bars for good and Free America from the tryany of fools warmongering around the world and unite the country again....Time for the Wolves ztop letting the sheep decide things. That's what it's come too. A nation of Wolves Rules by sheep...Otep

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Ya know, I always would like to see a story made about a divided US between Democrats and Republicans. I'd find that interesting.

To answer your question, I'll start with the Reps.
Reps:
They would probably be a bit more industrial. There would more factories and businesses would have more power (not to say that is a bad or good thing). The "nation" would revolve around order and competence. Work hard and you will be rewarded. Laws will be strict and enforced if there is an issue. It might become militaristic or it might become independent due to the request of limited government. There will hardly be handouts, other than the churches and very limited welfare. It probably will become self-sustaining.

Dems:
Now, I reckon the Democrats would be a bit more tricky. As of now, the liberals are divided between the reasonable and extreme. So I'd imagine there would be some infighting. It may result in violence or not but one victor will decide the fate of their "nation." Nonetheless, the nation would lead to socialism or some form of it. I'd imagine the infrastructure would regress behind the Reps due to more dividends the government has to give back (welfare, etc). People would require to be polite and free speech laws will inevitably be reformed. If it gets to the extreme, then it may end up like the game We Happy Few. Where the government forces people to be polite and friendly or else they will be punished. I can also see people split "personalities" by which they act a certain way in public but reveal their true feelings in private. Perhaps they would thrive; increasing minimum wage and expanding welfare. There is no true way of knowing imo. Their fate is almost reduced to a game of chance. Let the chips fall where they may...

It's hard to decide the fate of Dems because much of their ideology is based on morals. The problem is who wields the moral compass.

Honestly, it would be quite interesting to see. Perhaps a third nation would form in between the Dems and Reps where the people in the middle of the political spectrum would live.

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@stellatedcolt: I find myself generally agreeing with your assessment.

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This is an interesting mental exercise. I'll give it a whirl.

Republicans: Their economy would do VERY well, though several things would suffer as a result most notably the environment. Industry, finance, food production, and information technologies would thrive under a system that allows growth with little regulation and incentives to grow. Politically things would be a frigging mess, I mean TRUMP is in charge though Congress and SCOTUS would minimize the damage as much as it could. Our relations with some other countries would be strained (maybe more than strained) but they'd eventually on a more even footing in regards to trade. Militarily it would be a juggernaut (though that's not part of this exercise it should be noted).

The down side: Pollution would almost certainly be a problem. The poor would probably have little to nowhere to get help and little in the way of social services to aid them in bettering themselves. Innovation would probably slow a GREAT deal as conservatives tend to rely on what works more than what's new. This might be a little out there but the gains women and minorities have made might either halt or regress (this is a BIIIGGG and thin guess).

Democrats: Like pretty much all other countries that adopt heavily socialized systems (not the same as Socialism) taxes will be raised (especially on the rich, but also everyone else) so goods and services will cost more. Chances are people won't be too upset about this since almost everyone will have access to subsidized medical care, secondary education, and very possibly a universal standard income (we'd find out very quickly if such a system would work in a nation as ethnically, socially, and geographically diverse as the US...it would NOW have done away with the other problem for the most part: political diversity). They would be world leaders in technological innovation as such endeavors would be encouraged and supplemented financially by the government. Equality of gender, race, and religion would be the norm. Starvation and homelessness would be cut down dramatically. Relations with other nations would likely be very good as the military would be stripped down to its essentials and government would be very friendly to them.

The down side. Who knows if they'll be able to pay for all social services they'll be providing for "free". It's very likely that free speech would be SERIOUSLY curtailed. With the military gutted foreign enemies could act with impunity against American interests. Odds are good that if they are so friendly with other nations said nations would be prone to taking advantage of them. There would be a lot of people taking advantage of and scamming the social services.

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Dems root out racism and create a perfect Utopia. Like they have been trying.

Republicans suck Trumps peepee and build all white cities

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@balancedtruth: So, you're implying all White people will be rooted out, since Dems believe all white people are racist.

Rotf, okay.

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America is a tiny country. They should move to a bigger and more influential nation.

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#18  Edited By FaradaySloth

The Democrats pass the Green New Deal and their economy crashes in a matter of months, leaving the country in a total mess, then they realize the world is still polluted af by other countries and that the Green New Deal was always going to be useless.

Meanwhile, the Republicans just do what they always been doing for the past 50 years, while simultaneously singing Red Solo Cup.

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Honestly neither would be optimal without the other keeping them in check.

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@primainterpares: can you elaborate on that. What does each side do to keep one another in check.

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The Democrats pass the Green New Deal and their economy crashes in a matter of months, leaving the country in a total mess, then they realize the world is still polluted af by other countries and that the Green New Deal was always going to be useless.

Meanwhile, the Republicans just do what they always been doing for the past 50 years, while simultaneously singing Red Solo Cup.

totally not biased btw.

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I'd assume the liberal half would gradually turn into a less powerful Soviet Union and the conservative half would turn into a third-world country ruled by feuding warlords and corporations (i.e. a sh*th*le). Both outcomes would be ironic.

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Maybe look at places where each has been in charge? For the Democrats, places like Detroit, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, DC, NYC, Chicago. For the Republicans, places like Texas or indeed much of so-called flyover country.

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#33  Edited By Paytience

Every single liberal democracy that has ever existed has collapsed. Every government that was based on leftist ideals has turned towards tyranny. Every. Single. One.

The liberal leftists murder each other pushing their intersectional agenda and then the "winners" starve. See: Soviet Union. Cuba. Venezuela. Cambodia. India. Nazi Germany. Maoist China. North Korea. etc.

When you give a government absolute power, absolute tyranny ensues.

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The Rebulicans end up with a far better America and eventually-unless they fall to corporatism or once again split the republic-they evolve into a libertarian utopia on the back freen market capitalism with less and less state interference.

The individual conscience and work ethic wins out, and the closest thing we've seen to functioning communism takes hold on the back of extreme excess...ironically. Basically, the system of production would become so efficient through markets that become more and more free, that our rate of recycling and replenishing energy sources would outstrip our rate of use and industrial capacity, making us in effect, a post scarcity society.

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Honestly neither would be optimal without the other keeping them in check.

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@kevd4wg: can you please explain that. What do each other keep in check about the other and why would neither be optimal without it.

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@wilkiins17: They don't. Democrats have used that as an excuse to seize power since the republicans ended slavery. The whole "we keep i each other in check" is bullshit used so that the democrats can seize government power...because without government to point guns at you, democrat and leftist actions would not be possible and their policies unenforceable. Tyranny is a REQUIREMENT for leftist governments.

The market will keep republicans and enviromental impact in check.

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#39  Edited By Paytience

@balancedtruth: El. Oh. El.

In 1838, the first Democrat president, Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren herded the Native Americans onto reservations. Reasoning: White Supremacy. A term invented by Jacksonian Democrats, and founded in eugenics...this was the justification for the Trail of Tears.

In 1808 slavery was made illegal in the United States. This meant nothing to Dems however who decided blacks were not people and thus could be owned as slaves. The democrats would reinforce this ideal 50 years later-the Republican party would form in 1854 with the express purpose of ending the enslavement of black americans. In 1857, the Democrats responded by outvoting the minority republicans 5-2 in the Dredd Scott case, declaring black people as property and not people. Democrats in congress promised that if a republican ever took office, they would secede from the union. In Nov of 1860, Republican Abraham Lincoln was voted into office. In 1861, every single democrat in congress voted for southern secession, and the Confederacy was formed.

Following the defeat of the confederacy in 1865, embittered democrats formed the KKK. Klan membership to this day has remained 95 percent democrat with a 98 percent democrat leadership. 3 years later, they killed 300 black people in Louisiana.

There are dems in congress who were part of the klan leadership.

"In those days, you had to be a part of the Klan to be a democrat." -Bill Clinton, 2010

In 1919, under Woodrow Wilson, the Amerca Protective league was formed, America's first fascist organization, and the Palmer raids eneacted under them.

In 1922, democrats prevented lynching black people from being declared a federal crime.

In 1932, under democratic leadership, the U.S. Publice Health Service began the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment. This would last until 1972.

In 1942, Democrats would round Japanese Americans up and put them in internment camps.

Every single piece of Jim Crow legislation passed was voted on by a Democratic legislature and signed into law by a democratic governer...without exception.

Democrats fillibustered the civil rights actnof 1964 split on the voting rights act of 1965, and voted 100 percent against the 15th Amendment.

In fact, they voted against the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment.

What do you callbit when one side creates the conditions for racism, participates in it fully, blocks every attempt to end it, and seeks to perpetuate it through a welfare system designed explicitly to rip apart minority families?..

The democratic party has committed at least 2-3 MAJOR race based atrocities every decade, and has done so literally since the day it was formed.

So yeah, the Democrats invented racism in this country.

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The DA would crumble and the RA would succeed. Simple as that.

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@iron_tiger: why do you say that? what would democrats do to make themselves crumble and what would Republicans do to succeed.

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@wilkiins17: Paytience and HeroUp stated it nicely, which I agree with.

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I love how everyone thinks their side will succeed when in reality other nations would attack once the dust settles.

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ends in sex

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Didn’t even read the OP, but I can tell you the only logical outcome is the earth exploding.

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@hypnos0929: If we're assuming the military splits along the same demographics, the Republicans would still have by the far the most powerful military on the planet.

So, no...that would not happen.

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@paytience: I doubt the military would split without casualties. You've gotta remember the military doesn't fight for a side, it fights for America, the best and the worst of us. If they were to split I couldn't imagine military personnel staying with the conservatives long just because of the fact that the inevitable conclusion to such a state would be the removal of free speech.

Freedom of speech as we know it avoids change because of both sides. Symbolic and spoken need both sides in order to exist.

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@hypnos0929: Freedom of speech is violated at every turn by the Democrats. That's a fact. It's not both sides that do it. It's democrats violating your rights, and republicans historically, trying to stop them. You're arguing that individual rights are going to be violated by the side that supports individual rights...when the only reason they are ever under assault in the first place is because Democrats constantly seek to expand the government. That's an absolute fact. The worst aspects of our society and infrstructure are under state control or state led monopolies, empowered by democratic policies. That isn't a coincidence. In fact the only private monopoly to ever perpetuate itself long term is the DeBeers Diomond corporation.

Every violation of rights, free speech or otherwise, can be traced back to state sponsored monopolies or corruption. Every single one. Free speech included. The dems want to expand that governmental control. Republicans want to reduce it.

I challenge you to show me Republican's shutting down free speech. Go for it.

The Military isn't going to split. The military is 50 percent republican, and 20-30 percent cpnservative independents. The majority of military dems are junior enlisted, with the NCOs and officer corps being almost entirely republican.

If we split according to the op, then the Republicans maintain control of the largest military on the planet. If we split according to the way you're speaking, then the juniorenlisted are in no position to take the NCO's and officers by force, especially not considering the level of command. It's not happening. Either the Junior enlisted would follow their orders or they would be executed onthebspot. Officers and have that power, and in a fight they are better then the juniors. The military is a meritocracy and the men in charge have been at War for literally my entire life.

Now cinsider the fact that the U.S. has the most well armed and battle educated civilian populace on the planet, and that the vast majority of gun owners are republican/conservative...yeah. The dems would get stomped after their economy collapsed within 5 years. The republicans would be the new world power.

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@hypnos0929: Freedom of speech is violated at every turn by the Democrats. That's a fact. It's not both sides that do it. It's democrats violating your rights, and republicans historically, trying to stop them. You're arguing that individual rights are going to be violated by the side that supports individual rights...when the only reason they are ever under assault in the first place is because Democrats constantly seek to expand the government. That's an absolute fact. The worst aspects of our society and infrstructure are under state control or state led monopolies, empowered by democratic policies. That isn't a coincidence. In fact the only private monopoly to ever perpetuate itself long term is the DeBeers Diomond corporation.

Republicans support the right to money, benefits and power. When flag burning was called constitutionality who attacked that? When people kneel, specifically to exercise their freedom of speech and the right to protest, who was against it? Who stands against the privatization of prisons? How many republicans have you seen stand against the bail system, or stand for the voting rights of citizens? When the war on drugs was in full swing did the Republican party speak out against Nixon or Clinton's attacks? How many Republicans stand for the right to protest, the right to freedom of religion, the rights of the press?

Monopolies in America came to power under free markets, the thing Republicans love the most. They romanticize an era where children died in factories for 10 cents a day and where the poor were treated like dirt.

The fact is both sides will inevitably destroy what free speech means in order to gain idealistic goals.

Every violation of rights, free speech or otherwise, can be traced back to state sponsored monopolies or corruption. Every single one. Free speech included. The dems want to expand that governmental control. Republicans want to reduce it.

By reducing the control of the government they believe they'll do a service to society but they, like communists, ignore the downfalls. Republicans forget the government, not they, split apart powerful monopolies, created regulations that saved the lives of countless impoverished people, improved the safety standards across the country, and changed the food industry for the better. The problem with Republicans is they believe people are naturally good, despite all evidence. I'm not advocating for a dictatorship nor am I saying republicans want anarchy, what I'm saying is the Republicans seem to forget the articles of confederation failed because the government lacked control.

I challenge you to show me Republican's shutting down free speech. Go for it.

Flag burning, Kneeling during the anthem and if I'm not mistaken some Republican party members love to say "If you dont like it here then get out". Also conservative groups are the ones who stand against felon voting rights.

The Military isn't going to split. The military is 50 percent republican, and 20-30 percent cpnservative independents. The majority of military dems are junior enlisted, with the NCOs and officer corps being almost entirely republican.

If we split according to the op, then the Republicans maintain control of the largest military on the planet. If we split according to the way you're speaking, then the juniorenlisted are in no position to take the NCO's and officers by force, especially not considering the level of command. It's not happening. Either the Junior enlisted would follow their orders or they would be executed onthebspot. Officers and have that power, and in a fight they are better then the juniors. The military is a meritocracy and the men in charge have been at War for literally my entire life.

Now cinsider the fact that the U.S. has the most well armed and battle educated civilian populace on the planet, and that the vast majority of gun owners are republican/conservative...yeah.

So you have a battle ready populace. Now think ahead, Republicans already hate taxes so how will your armies be paid? How long can you keep them together before a leader arises who is backed undoubtedly by them? How long before hierarchical structures and institutions set in to the point where money, power and influence are the only ones with a say?

The dems would get stomped after their economy collapsed within 5 years. The republicans would be the new world power.

The republicans would fail, as do all regimes based on conservatism because change will always occur. The young will always want to protest, the young will always push aside their ancestors ways in order to gain a say. Your belief in a utopia is a lie because your belief ends with a military state or ones that are divided into factions. The bible will be used as a means to control the disoriented, guns will be used to put down protesters, and lies will be told to cover up the facts. There is no good and evil here, there will be only obedience, revolutions, and bloodshed.

Your belief in prosperity is a lie because people are naturally power hungry. Leave them uncontrolled and you have Lord of the flies, smash them into obedience and you have Big Brother.

With all that being said I will reiterate "Freedom of speech as we know it avoids change because of both sides. Symbolic and spoken need both sides in order to exist."

There is no utopia, no good side if this nation splits. There will only be those who believe they are right and their enemies are wrong. "Big Brother", as described by Orwell, sought no changes and no progress because it and its friends were at the top.