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That's true.

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#52  Edited By King_Majestros

Update: Per worldometers.info -- There are currently 80,423 cases in total. There have been 2,711 deaths, with 27,909 victims having recovered.

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I'm not going to lie. The media's fearmongering has gotten to me and I almost feel a bit like ahypochondriac over the corona virus. Especially since the death rate percentage just went up. I'm not the healthiest person when it comes to getting sick. When I get the flu it always hits me hard. Heck I get sick from the flu shot. Even almost died from pneumonia once. So when people say it's not much worse than the flu it doesn't help. Now the virus appeared just a state over. I'm not a happy camper.

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@dernman said:

I'm not going to lie. The media's fearmongering has gotten to me and I almost feel a bit like ahypochondriac over the corona virus. Especially since the death rate percentage just went up. I'm not the healthiest person when it comes to getting sick. When I get the flu it always hits me hard. Heck I get sick from the flu shot. Even almost died from pneumonia once. So when people say it's not much worse than the flu it doesn't help. Now the virus appeared just a state over. I'm not a happy camper.

Wash your hand often. I suggest having hand sanitizer. Don't let your hands touch your face.

If you have symptoms, go to the doctor as early as possible so they can give you supportive care.

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The media has convinced me that I almost certainly have the virus. Especially since the death rate among my town percentage just went up. I'm really unhealthy and when it comes to getting the flu i always go to hospital. I go to hospital from the flu shot. I died from pneumonia once but was resuscitated. So when people say Its only as bad as the flu I run for cover. Now the virus appeared at the next door neighbors house and I'm a walking deadman.

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It is bad. We can only hope that a cure will be discovered soon.

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All for the sake of liberty, the U.S does nothing to stop the coronavirus besides banning travellers from China. Let's see how is the U.S going to handle this outbreak as compared to China and Singapore's stellar performance in containment.

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All for the sake of liberty, the U.S does nothing to stop the coronavirus besides banning travellers from China. Let's see how is the U.S going to handle this outbreak as compared to China and Singapore's stellar performance in containment.

Not saying US will handle it well but not a fair comparison.

To be fair to the US other countries have done much worse and I don't think banning travelers from hotspots until control is gained is a bad thing. They also just opened up something like 8 million to combat it.

Anyway what I don't think it's a fair comparison is China gets to go all martial totalitarian law on their citizens which is a huge advantage in containing it. Also I read right many supplies that were meant for us were confiscated by China for their own use. Many of our shit is made over there.

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It is bad. We can only hope that a cure will be discovered soon.

Do they even make cures anymore? It seems it's all treatments so they can milk it and make more money.

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@dernman said:
@wipayeb624 said:

All for the sake of liberty, the U.S does nothing to stop the coronavirus besides banning travellers from China. Let's see how is the U.S going to handle this outbreak as compared to China and Singapore's stellar performance in containment.

Not saying US will handle it well but not a fair comparison.

To be fair to the US other countries have done much worse and I don't think banning travelers from hotspots until control is gained is a bad thing. They also just opened up something like 8 million to combat it.

Anyway what I don't think it's a fair comparison is China gets to go all martial totalitarian law on their citizens which is a huge advantage in containing it. Also I read right many supplies that were meant for us were confiscated by China for their own use. Many of our shit is made over there.

Actually I never meant that U.S banning travellers from China is a bad thing. It shows that the government is actually doing something to prevent the problem as opposed to "not gonna do a thing because citizens self-responsible for their every single thing in their life". The question is whether is it enough. Many argued that its not enough, and news had said that doctors theorized that the virus had been transmitting among citizens in the U.S for weeks largely unnoticed.

There are reasonable measures by putting laws which doesn't even need to be as draconian as China's example.

For the case of Singapore, the government took reasonable measures and they took it seriously. Contact tracing people, placing some of them in quarantine, and some of them in the more serious "Stay-Home" notice. Anyone who breaches that (checks are conducted) will be penalized. There's a person who loses his permanent residence and therefore kicked out of the country by refusing to adhere to the "Stay-Home" notice: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-coronavirus-pr-stay-home-notice-barred-12471954

Due to the nature of the culture, environment, and laws in the U.S, pretty sure contact tracing is difficult. Still, as I said, reasonable measures like enforcing strict rules for containment is not against "liberty", temperature checks on the spot across important areas (hospital, workplaces, etc), get clinics to issue more sick leave for people with flu-like symptoms, at least partially funding companies to get employees who came back from China to work-from-home etc. And of course, orders to quarantine or "stay-home" like what Singapore does. Seriously, at this stage would anything bad really happen to someone in the U.S who breaches any "recommendation" to quarantine himself/herself??? See this https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/self-quarantine-explainer-procedures/index.html - Yes its biased media CNN/Fox News crap, but facts are facts. It says the quarantine is voluntary, so all it takes is one person "screw the rules, its liberty" to ruin everything for the rest.

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@dernman said:
@manmadeofhunter said:

It is bad. We can only hope that a cure will be discovered soon.

Do they even make cures anymore? It seems it's all treatments so they can milk it and make more money.

They're trying. Supportive care is the only thing they can do against it at the moment, so what do you really expect? If this goes further, it is literally gonna be bad for everyone, so I'm having a hard time buying these kinds of conspiracy theories.

In general, they can help you combat the effect of the virus, but they haven't found anything that can directly get rid of the virus. I'm not a doctor, but this suggests that many people who have recovered from the virus completely relied on their antibody to get rid of the virus. I'm pretty sure that's what I heard from a lot of sources as well. In theory, eating foods, vitamins, or medicine that boost your antibody should give you higher chances of recovering if you ever get the virus. There's really nothing to lose from consuming those either (apart from money, obviously).

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I'm not even trying to be funny, why has there been something like this on every **20 for the past few centuries?

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#63  Edited By AbstractRaze

Doesn't wonder me that the Chinese get those sort of sickness when they eat living baby rats, grown rats and living frogs like nothing, now their sickness is coming over free and clean western nations, we must pay for their insanity and human degradation, there are no doubts that communism and socialism turn human beings into wild animals or worst, mental-ill monsters.

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#64  Edited By supertweaker

I think spreading awareness is important, but people have been comparing it to the plague, the freaking great plague. There are so many misinformation's that exaggerate the severity of this illness, and people start believing them before fact checking it on actual reliable sources.

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What I don't understand about this Pandemic is why would someone like the Chinese Government would try to hide something like this up? It was Dr. Li Wenliang who warned the media about the Corona-virus. Not only he died, but the video he uploaded in the internet was deleted by officials. I think the Chinese Government is hiding something dark. But in most cases, The Chinese Government lost all form of credibility and can't be trusted. This is just ridiculous. I do have a theory. The Corona-virus wasn't spread by infected food or bats, I think it was part of a bio weapon gone wrong created by the China laboratory, also there was a Laboratory near the Chinese market where the First Corona-virus case was held in Wuhan. Then two patients who were telling the media( In the china hospital) disappeared.

People act like the Corona-Virus is going to be the end of the world, I mean come on. Did people forget about the Spanish Flu in 1918 and a Pandemic in 1665 that wiped out half of the worlds population?

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Governor Brown of Oregon is demanding that all non-essential stores to close, which may affect grocery stores as well as schools (possibly). This spread is causing a disaster for many States, including Arkansas and Ohio.

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Governor Brown of Oregon is demanding that all non-essential stores to close, which may affect grocery stores as well as schools (possibly). This spread is causing a disaster for many States, including Arkansas and Ohio.

any business that serves food or is food-related isn't going to close, at least that what it is in Pennsylvania.

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#73  Edited By Baldur_Odinson

@faradaysloth said:
@baldur_odinson said:

Governor Brown of Oregon is demanding that all non-essential stores to close, which may affect grocery stores as well as schools (possibly). This spread is causing a disaster for many States, including Arkansas and Ohio.

any business that serves food or is food-related isn't going to close, at least that what it is in Pennsylvania.

Correct. I just learned that food stores are not non-essential, which includes gas stations, too.

On another note, it's either the US or my State, but they're trying to enforce a communistic approach through curfew at 11pm.

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I see how it is.

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Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

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#76  Edited By Dernman

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Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

Why wouldn't they? It originated from China. Personally I think Wuhan Virus is better but there isn't anything wrong with this. Please don't tell me you're buying into the nonsense that it's a racist thing........

Edit: I fixed a double negative.

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@dernman said:
@nobody568 said:

Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

Why wouldn't they? It originated from China. Personally I think Wuhan Virus is better but there isn't anything wrong with this. Please don't tell me you're not buying into the nonsense that it's a racist thing........

If you'll look into another thread in Offtopics about Covid you'll see that at least in some cases it's exactly "a racist thing" used by people to justify their hatred towards chinese.
There're also cases of hate crimes connected to this. For example...

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/corona-has-revealed-racism-we-didnt-expect-in-israel/

Am-Shalem Singson, 28, has lived in Tiberias for the past two years after making aliyah from the northeastern state of Manipur in India in 2017 with his widowed mother, Bat-El Singson and three older brothers. Am-Shalem is a young religious Zionist member of the Bnei Menashe community who studies at the Hesder Yeshiva in Maalot in preparation for military service in the Israel Defense Forces.
On Saturday night, Am-Shalem was on his way to a friend’s house in downtown Tiberias. Singson said he was walking past two men on the street when one of them looked at him and yelled ”Corona- corona,” and ”Chinese.”
”I told both of the attackers that I was not even Chinese, but rather a Jew from the Bnei Menashe community, not that there is any justification for attacking a Chinese guy or anybody else,” Singson said from his hospital bed. ”But they were totally crazed and kicked me hard while yelling, ‘Corona! Corona!’”
He suffered severe injuries to his chest and lungs and underwent minor surgery. He is convalescing at Poriya Hospital in Tiberias and is in stable condition.

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Well, I just like calling it the Coronavirus better...

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#79  Edited By Dernman

@rubear said:
@dernman said:
@nobody568 said:

Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

Why wouldn't they? It originated from China. Personally I think Wuhan Virus is better but there isn't anything wrong with this. Please don't tell me you're not buying into the nonsense that it's a racist thing........

If you'll look into another thread in Offtopics about Covid you'll see that at least in some cases it's exactly "a racist thing" used by people to justify their hatred towards chinese.

Doesn't matter. How some people use it has no bearing on how others mean it. It's a thing that's been done throughout history for a reasons other than racism. If you're going to stop something because some people might co-opt it in a bad way then you're not going to have very much left over.

The're also cases of hate crimes connected to this. For example...

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Only skimmed the rest. Didn't see a need to address it as "revealing hidden racism" isn't really relevant.

No I take it back it is relevant but not in the way you think. This just show why you should use it because with the line of reasoning that you shouldn't use it, it only creates a system that hides racism and allows it to flourish and not confronted. By allowing it you'll be able to see who's using it because of hate and those for an identifier.

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@dernman said:
@rubear said:
@dernman said:
@nobody568 said:

Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

Why wouldn't they? It originated from China. Personally I think Wuhan Virus is better but there isn't anything wrong with this. Please don't tell me you're not buying into the nonsense that it's a racist thing........

If you'll look into another thread in Offtopics about Covid you'll see that at least in some cases it's exactly "a racist thing" used by people to justify their hatred towards chinese.

Doesn't matter. How some people use it has no bearing on how others mean it. It's a thing that's been done throughout history for a reasons other than racism. If you're going to stop something because some people might co-opt it in a bad way then you're not going to have very much left over.

The're also cases of hate crimes connected to this. For example...

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Only skimmed the rest. Didn't see a need to address it as "revealing hidden racism" isn't really relevant.

No I take it back it is relevant but not in the way you think. This just show why you should use it because with the line of reasoning that you shouldn't use it, it only creates a system that hides racism and allows it to flourish and not confronted.

By allowing it you'll be able to see who's using it for why.

oo smart

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@nobody568:

I think @crazeddragon: would agree that torturing people of another race is just as bad as torturing people of your own race.

Or at least fun

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@dernman said:
@rubear said:
@dernman said:
@nobody568 said:

Ok why are we calling it "Chinese Virus"?

Why wouldn't they? It originated from China. Personally I think Wuhan Virus is better but there isn't anything wrong with this. Please don't tell me you're not buying into the nonsense that it's a racist thing........

If you'll look into another thread in Offtopics about Covid you'll see that at least in some cases it's exactly "a racist thing" used by people to justify their hatred towards chinese.

Doesn't matter. How some people use it has no bearing on how others mean it. It's a thing that's been done throughout history for a reasons other than racism. If you're going to stop something because some people might co-opt it in a bad way then you're not going to have very much left over.

The're also cases of hate crimes connected to this. For example...

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Only skimmed the rest. Didn't see a need to address it as "revealing hidden racism" isn't really relevant.

No I take it back it is relevant but not in the way you think. This just show why you should use it because with the line of reasoning that you shouldn't use it, it only creates a system that hides racism and allows it to flourish and not confronted. By allowing it you'll be able to see who's using it because of hate and those for an identifier.

You misunderstood my point. I wasn't arguing for banning of this expression, which is in any case up to administration of this forum. I was just correcting you by pointing on fact that there is some foundation of interpretating it as a "racist thing" in a form of it's actual usage by certain people, while other people (i presume that you're one of them) are using it as analogue of name "spanish flu" for this coronavirus.

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@nobody568:

I think @crazeddragon: would agree that torturing people of another race is just as bad as torturing people of your own race.

Or at least fun

I think everyone deserves their equal share of torture.

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I'm currently waiting for a stream with someone who supposedly recovered. It should be starting any minute now.

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