Are women in media THAT bad?

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In a previous thread, there was a mention of a Kickstarter that explored how badly female characters are portrayed in Video Games.

So a question for the female users of Comic Vine:

How would you change a popular female figure in the entertainment industry?

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Bigger boobies are a must.

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Make em thick. Not too skinny, not too fat. Just right.

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Faora solos.

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I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

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I'd like more female characters in comic books that aren't fanservicey like Kamala Khan.

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I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

I suppose it has been a few years since we've had an Orlando Bloom.

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#11  Edited By Erik

I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

I was just going to make that very suggestion.

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@tyger said:

@callous_adherent said:

I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

I suppose it has been a few years since we've had an Orlando Bloom.

Do you like Loki: Agents of Asgard? :P Probably the first American comic I've read with fanservice aimed at a female audience.

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@tyger said:

In a previous thread, there was a mention of a Kickstarter that explored how badly female characters are portrayed in Video Games.

So a question for the female users of Comic Vine:

How would you change a popular female figure in the entertainment industry?

I wouldn't , real women should learn to be less ugly

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#14  Edited By Callous_Adherent

@tyger said:

@callous_adherent said:

I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

I suppose it has been a few years since we've had an Orlando Bloom.

Do you like Loki: Agents of Asgard? :P Probably the first American comic I've read with fanservice aimed at a female audience.

...
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I'll be in my bedroom for a few minutes...

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Kinda, yeah.

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@tyger said:

@callous_adherent said:

I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

I suppose it has been a few years since we've had an Orlando Bloom.

Do you like Loki: Agents of Asgard? :P Probably the first American comic I've read with fanservice aimed at a female audience.

Would it be wrong of me to wonder if sometimes Loki isn't really 'bad', he just wants Thor to turn him over his knee and spank him?

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No. Next question, please!

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No. Next question, please!

Alright:

What could DC do to make the perfect comic book for a female audience? (Or Marvel, if the above comments don't already make that clear.)

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Not at all.

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#22  Edited By Deadite

Just look at Gal Gadot and her little resemblance to a real Wonder Woman. The public's outcry isn't enough to shift the industry's direction, it seems.

But I don't think it's that bad in general. Cases like Gal Gadot gets me mad though.

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#23  Edited By judasnixon

@deadite said:

Just look at Gal Gadot and her little resemblance to a real Wonder Woman. The public's outcry isn't enough to shift the industry's direction, it seems.

But I don't think it's that bad in general. Cases like Gal Gadot gets me mad though.

I haven't seen Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman yet.... I won't judge her till I see her, because I remember all those screams about how they casted that no name "fag" from Brokeback Mountain as the Joker........

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I'm sure there some really bad ones out there today, but I don't know who they are, because I don't watch that $#!%......

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I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

okay what mainstream comic book hero male doesn't have pecks?

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lumberjanes?

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Ha someone's been reading my posts. Ha ha. (Just made me all giddy inside that you were referring to me. well I am assuming so anyway)

That series by the way is a very bias, ignorant and misguiding piece done by a very ignorant and bias person. I wouldn't take any serious notice. Just saying. :)

Glad I was able to help spark a discussion (again if it was me who's post you read, if not props to who ever's post you did read).

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So women are into fan-service, huh?

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@keenko said:

@callous_adherent said:

I wouldn't mind the fan service if it went both ways. Maybe I wanna oogle some lean boyish hottie's pecs.

>_>

okay what mainstream comic book hero male doesn't have pecks?

That's not fan service like this is

Mmmm...Pretty boys...
Mmmm...Pretty boys...

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That Kickstarter is made by Anita Sarkeesian, the biggest and most infamous radical feminist in gaming history. Seriously guys, women aren't portrayed that badly, atleast not as badly as Anita Sarkeesian is making it out to be.

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That Kickstarter is made by Anita Sarkeesian, the biggest and most infamous radical feminist in gaming history. Seriously guys, women aren't portrayed that badly, atleast not as badly as Anita Sarkeesian is making it out to be.

Yeah, I kinda got the vibe that she went with the tropes = bad POV, and doesn't seem to have any kind of view as to how she DOES want females portrayed, which led to my first question.

I also keep reading her last name as 'Snarkenstein' for some reason.

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@tyger said:

@dianaxkal said:

No. Next question, please!

Alright:

What could DC do to make the perfect comic book for a female audience? (Or Marvel, if the above comments don't already make that clear.)

Explosions, deaths, fights I know it already has these but adding more would be perfect for any gender

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More leading roles, less sexualization. More racial, sexual, and gender diversity, too. Major female characters are straight white and cisgender a lot of the time.

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#37  Edited By SC  Moderator

I am not female, I am male, but I'd like to answer the question because its interesting, if thats okay?

Rogue. Change her to be a little bit more abrasive, sassy and confident. Thing with this change is that it would actually be changing her to a prior state. Rogue was generally much more adored and popular with males, but relatively a lot more females, in the 80's and 90's when she was this cocky, sassy, Southern bell brawler who could and would go toe toe with other teams powerhouses. She was the flying powerhouse of the team, which is rare for a female character and she was balanced out by being a bit too overconfident and her own psychology. Then various creative changes, some partially made because of the movies, made her a neurotic, anxious, mopey, emo, which could still be interesting possibly but not nearly as unique or dynamic as her past portrayal. She ended up as the girlfriend character with stories revolving around Gambit, instead of being a strong sassy tough *&%^&^. So I would change that. Rogue is actually a lot stronger psychologically now though as well and a leader so would have to strike a balance. Why I neglected changing her powers otherwise would be too OP.

As for the other question, Marvel or DC can't make the perfect comic for a female, just like it can't make the perfect comic for a male or a black person, or tall people, or short people. People can have similarities but also be really really different as well. In fact that can lead to problems, when you have a team of seven individuals with one of them being the girl and expecting the girl will be the one females like and the one that will appeal to females. Nah, females aren't a hive mind creature, they are going to like different things, same way guys have different preferences and tastes. There are of course some creative ideas that can help attract a diverse amount of people, and some general stereotypes that are somewhat accurate to a degree that could assist attracting females specifically, like most humans tend to like being able to relate to characters, and also have characters they can project into - power fantasies. So more representation would help. X-Men has one of the biggest female fan bases around because it had characters like Storm, Phoenix, Emma Frost, Psylocke, Rogue, Kitty, Jubilee, X-23. Very diverse powers and personality types. That was in the 80's and 90's (most of those characters) other teams slowly caught up much later on but even then they still have to deal with males are generally bigger deal, so there is a bit of risk (as far as utilizing popular characters versus promoting diversity) - some innocent fan service could help and no not just having good looking dudes with muscles, its the context. See Nightwing, Gambit and Loki for fairly good examples. Another generalization is that males like visual queues and stimuli where as females prefer having their imagination and creativity catered to, so having action scenes, sure, but having strong character development and creative, poetic, writing techniques utilized could help, allegories, metaphors, so on.

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@sc said:

I am not female, I am male, but I'd like to answer the question because its interesting, if thats okay?

Alot people think your a girl though :p

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@bruxae said:

@fallschirmjager said:

Faora solos.

Don't get me started.

Bigger boobies are a must.

Take it you have never played Bayonetta before , haven't you :P

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I STANDARDS BY MY ORIGINAL POST!

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@laflux: Heh heh I know, I think someone the other day followed me and another female user because we were mentioned as candidates for the hottest female viner at CV. I won't mention who, but I think they are going to be disappointed when they find out I am not Ms Sexy Comic Fan Girl 19. Oh well.

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@sc: seems that people should ask m or f before they troll for a$$ online. lol

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@maccyd said:

@callous_adherent: Is that not what most of Final Fantasy's male characters are for?

Shhh it's the Callous Adherent's pretty boy hour.

*Drools*.

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Only ones like Barbara Streisand.