Are Liberals the new Nazi?

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Poll Are Liberals the new Nazi? (86 votes)

Yes 35%
No 65%

The reporter from fox news does seem to have a point, if you don't align to liberal thinking and ideology, you are often sort of exiled from society. This includes losing your jobs, not being taught or ignored by a liberal teacher, death threats and assaulted in public for having a different view than the mainstream media promotes.

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#52  Edited By Kingyang

@mcflicky: Liberals are not centrist. Mainstream Democrats are centrist.

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@kingyang: Liberals are centrists. Democrats are moderate conservatives

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@decaffeinated: Liberals are leftists. Just like conservatives are the right. Bush,Cheney and the whole Republican party is the right. Biden,Obama,Clintons,Pelosi etc are the center. Bernie,AOC, MLK would be the Left. Fox News Breitbart Right. CNN MSNBC Center.

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@kingyang: To me leftist is super left like all the way radical left. A lot of democrats are pretty moderate or at least they used to be.

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@decaffeinated: My man literal cops started the race war conversation years ago and the shit is coming out.

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#59  Edited By dernman  Online
@kingyang said:

@decaffeinated: Liberals are leftists. Just like conservatives are the right. Bush,Cheney and the whole Republican party is the right. Biden,Obama,Clintons,Pelosi etc are the center. Bernie,AOC, MLK would be the Left. Fox News Breitbart Right. CNN MSNBC Center.

Actually you're wrong. I thought so too once. While I wouldn't describe liberal as centrist it's not just a left position.

I suggest looking it up.

"Liberalism can mean different things in different contexts, being sometimes on the left (social liberalism) and other times on the right (conservative liberalism)."

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Conservative liberalism is a variant of liberalism, combining liberal values and policies with conservative stances, or simply representing the right wing of the liberal movement. It is a more positive and less radical variant of classical liberalism.

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Also look up classical liberalism. I'm sure there are more examples but it would take more than the minimal effort I'm willing to go through for the post.

I get so annoyed when left wing authoritarians claim to be liberal or those on the other side say liberal when they're really talking about authoritarians. Th

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@kingyang said:

@decaffeinated: My man literal cops started the race war conversation years ago and the shit is coming out.

Just like the notion that not all liberals are leftist or not all conservatives are nazi's not all Cops are bad, so a race war solves nothing. I do agree with a police/law reform though we need to things a lot better than what we have been doing.

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@dernman: I'm not looking up nothing Republicans consider anything not conservative liberal, it's not. Obama,Clinton and all those talking heads on MSNBC are not a liberals. Cornel West is liberal. The biggest Democratic success in recent memory is a conservative health care plan and the Democratic nominee is center/right. Joe Biden literally used to be pro segregation. Their is no Left party just right and the center.

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#62  Edited By dernman  Online

@kingyang: lol Wow. I don't even know where to start with that. Come back to reality. I know it sucks but we have cookies.

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@dernman: What u did is called a non response.

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It is not hard for me to imagine why conservatives so badly want to paint liberals as Nazis. They are desperate to obfuscate the fact that actual Nazis are hard-right conservatives.

- Actual Nazis hate PC culture

- Actual Nazis beat their chests about how poorly white people are treated.

- Actual Nazis have a hard-line stance against immigration.

Does any of that sound familiar?

Remember: Not all Donald Trump voters are Nazis, BUT American voters who are Nazis all vote for Donald Trump.

This is untrue. Trump has been unpopular with the fashy crowd since late 2017, early 2018.

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#67  Edited By dernman  Online

@kingyang said:

@dernman: What u did is called a non response.

Does my post not convey my feelings on what you posted?

You can say I didn't make a rebuttable sure, but I gave the response that I intended.

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#68  Edited By Lord_Tenebrous

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@just_sayin said:
@last0fth3risen said:

No.

Nazis were, and are, against everything liberals stand for.

The word Nazi stands for national socialist party. Democrats are much more aligned with socialists. Democrats are much more likely to use fascist methods to shut down opposing views.

OG Nazis hated socialists. They had a state capitalist system, and were extremely nationalistic (another part of the term), which liberals certainly are not. They capitalized on traditional values, like religion (had to be Christian to join SS), homophobia, gender roles, and loyalty to the state. These are all conservative beliefs, not liberal.

They weren't actually Christian. Real Christianity was regulated, then persecuted. The Nazis invented their own brand, I would advise reading Bonhoeffer.

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#69  Edited By Kingyang

@decaffeinated: I'm a liberal douchebag in the vein of Cornel West and MLK. Power to people. I think Health Care, Water,Education, Law enforcement,and Public transportation should be socialized and everything else should be capitalism. When it comes to shit like personal life do what you want as long as hlyou aren't hurting anyone. And prisons should be socialized too.

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I don't think censorship, control, intolerance, etc, are necessarily the defining traits of either the right or left. They strike me as moral failings, and should be found in any extremist.

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@kingyang: i get the idea of socialized health care but does it mean for law enforcement?

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#72  Edited By dernman  Online

@decaffeinated: The government already pays for law enforcement with our taxes. Same with public transportation. If it was capitalist then they would be privately run.

Like the difference between private prison and government run

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Comparing the opposite party to nazi’s is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard...

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@decaffeinated: Lol we already have it. If it's payed for by us collectively its socialism, I'm not playing word games I'm literal. Education k-12, police,military(even private contractor),fire department,and medicare are all socialized. I just named all the important things that should be socialized. The police are not a private company they are public servants,

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@kingyang: I thought so I just didn't want to sound stupid lol.

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@decaffeinated: I believe certain shit shouldn't be left to nobleness of businesses. Especially life or death shit. There are millions of people who use socialism but claim to hate it.🤔

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@kingyang:

I consider myself pretty moderate that leans a little left.

I'm all about individual freedoms I'm Pro 2A, Choice, LGBT, etc.

And I do believe we need to reform things like Education, Health Care, and the Justice system, though I think the idea of defunding the Police is idiotic that would just make them worse imo.

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@decaffeinated: When they say defunding they mean the cops should get less money not be abolished,at least the serious people. I saw a breakdown from a couple of cities and police budget was bigger than education,health care, and some other things combined. That's ridiculous to me.

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@kingyang: Yeah education should be number 1 in funding if not close to number 1 imo.

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#80  Edited By McFlicky

@kingyang: A moderate conservative would be slightly right of center. American liberals are centrists since the overton window has been pulled to the right. Democrats like obama and biden are still conservative. They just aren't as conservative as Republicans

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@decaffeinated: This is America we spend more money on pointless wars that have lasted longer than World Wars and our Civil war combined.y And you're more liberal than u think, we are good at making things negative in this country.

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@mcflicky: The last 4 dem nominees have been center right which would mean the dem party isn't the left. Bernie couldn't beat Joe fuckin Biden. Biden sounds just as lost as Trump he just has more self control and maybe less racist. There is no Left party in this country. Don't get me wrong we have Liberals but they have no power. The so called left(centrist) shit on the liberals

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@kingyang: I'm failing to see the disagreement you have with me. You basically just said what I did in so many words. Democrats are center right and liberals are to left of Democrats making them centrist. American liberals are pretty much in the exact center of the political compass.

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@mcflicky: a liberal a centrist and a conservative are 3 different things no matter how u phrase it period. Bernie is a liberal and Obama is a centrist.

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How are the people who are left to those in the center who are left to those on right the middle? Especially since they are so radical this thread exists. And the right considers Obama a Lefty so those left of him ain't the center.

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No.

Nazis were, and are, against everything liberals stand for.

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@kingyang: Bernie is not a liberal. He's a demsoc and that puts him well to the left of liberalism

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@mcflicky: You just using words without completely understanding the meaning. Bernie could be called a liberal or a Democratic socialist and both would be true. How does someone considers Biden a liberal but not a Bernie is beyond me. Deuces.

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@kingyang: I don't consider biden a liberal. I never said he was. What are you talking about? I literally just called him conservative. Democrats are right of center, Republicans are far right, liberals are centrist, and demsocs are leftist

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@mcflicky: You said liberals are centrists. Joe Biden is centrist. These are your words. You are basically saying cold and warm are the same thing. You are just throwing around terms.

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@mcflicky: Reps are not far right. Stop listening to bad people.

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@kingyang: Joe biden isn't a centrist. No one who falls inline with democratic party are centrists, they are moderate conservatives. Still right wing, but not as far right as the republican party. As I said before, america's overton window has been pulled to the right. Democrats more or less fall in middle of that window. However, on a full scale of political ideas they are conservative. It's not entirely accurate, but if you placed someone like joe biden or barack obama on the political, they'd be somewhere near the lower left corner of the upper right quadrant. A liberal would be in the center of all four quadrants, and bernie sanders is in the lower left

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@dernman: America's overton window has been pulled pretty far to the right. Sorry, but Democrats are right wing and Republicans are far right

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#95  Edited By dernman  Online

@mcflicky said:

@dernman: America's overton window has been pulled pretty far to the right. Sorry, but Democrats are right wing and Republicans are far right

If some countries have moved so far left it doesn't make Reps far right. It just makes the rest father left.

For the record you're only counting certain places to make your claim.. Look at many middle eastern countries for instance. Much farther right.

You're running on a commonly parroted faulty narrative.

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@dernman: Please tell me what places I'm counting then. Because I don't recall ever bringing any of that up here. You're just making assumptions about my position

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@decaffeinated: if its not Inherently leftist then it's not a leftist thing. Heck there are plenty of people who are voting for Biden when they are not even that much left leaning.

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@dernman: uhh you're back so soon. Haven't heard of you in a while😊.

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@decaffeinated: wooooooow, let's get this right. Race war is a dog whistle created by racist whites to literally create fear among themselves of every other race(but mostly the black race) its literally always thrown around when white people say they feel like they're "losing power" when we all know that they just losing the power over the other races and now have to treat every race as equals.

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@olorun said:

@decaffeinated: if its not Inherently leftist then it's not a leftist thing. Heck there are plenty of people who are voting for Biden when they are not even that much left leaning.

This isn't relevant to anything I said, Biden isn't a leftist.

And voting for Biden doesn't make you a leftist.