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Posted by zeezee123 (2894 posts) 4 years, 2 months ago

Poll: Anime vs. Cartoons: What is better? (297 votes)

Cartoons 31%
Anime 35%
Both! 34%

Which is better, anime or cartoons?

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#2 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on the picture? Anime.

Anime and cartoons as a whole? They're both great in their own unique way and have their ups and downs. To say either is above either as a whole just wouldn't work.

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#3 Posted by NotATreeABush (5004 posts) - - Show Bio

Anime. I only liked cartoons when I was younger, they suck balls now

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#4 Posted by pern (1313 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on the picture? Anime.

Anime and cartoons as a whole? They're both great in their own unique way and have their ups and downs. To say either is above either as a whole just wouldn't work.

Agreed. The anime in the picture >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cartoons in the picture.

However, with cartoons like South Park or Brickleberry, I would give the edge to cartoons in popularity and about equal in quality.

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#5 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@pern: Yeah. On the picture alone, Death Note would solo.

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#7 Posted by Cosmic_Lantern (5668 posts) - - Show Bio

timmy solos with universal reality warping magic muffin.

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#8 Posted by Sternfan99 (142 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends if your definition of "cartoons" includes shows like South Park, The Simpsons, The Critic, Family Guy, etc.

I'd take those over anime.

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#9 Posted by StrictlyAnime (2179 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry I'm physically incapable of picking. My body and mind refuses to go either way on this.

I mean on one side you have Avatar/Korra but then you have FMA/Brotherhood

There's Ben 10 but then there's Yu-Gi-Oh!

Then you've got a classic like Zatch Bell vs Xiaolin Showdown

I can't do it, you'll have to kill me.

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#10 Posted by ostarion (375 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on the picture, I'd say cartoons.

As a whole, I'd say anime.

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#11 Posted by gokuss4z (3423 posts) - - Show Bio

Both! Played a huge role in a lot of childhoods.

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#12 Edited by Static Shock (53045 posts) - - Show Bio

Cartoons (or American animated features) tend to have more frames drawn per second, and on top of that, non-stop movement (primary and secondary motion of characters) in almost all scenes to make the animation more realistic and believable. A greater emphasis is put on facial expressions and emotions in American animation, especially during animated dialogue. For example:

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Notice that there's near-constant motion all throughout this reel. Hair, clothes, subtle body movements, facial expressions, etc. Just about everything is moving here. Not just their mouths. Hold down the space bar as the video plays, you'll see that there are more frames being animated per second.

Animes (Japanese animated features) tend to have less frames drawn in most of their scenes, but put loads more effort (and a bit more frames) into their action scenes. But, in regular scenes, there's less movement involved, overall. This is especially so with dialogue. Lip syncing is animated more than everything else is, with a few body movements here and there. Movement (besides those in action or fighting scenes) appears to be robotic and unrealistic. There have also been numerous animes with people in the background drawn to be completely still and not animated like the relevant characters are. Less emphasis on the animation of facial expressions and emotions is also present. To compensate, most of the time, emotions and facial expressions are drawn and animated to be comical and less detailed. For example:

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If you skip 30 seconds in, you'll notice that their mouths are moving more than their bodies or anything else about them in the first half of their conversation. They're only moving or making gestures every so often. The movements and gestures don't even look believable. Also, if you hold down the space bar as the video plays, you'll see what I mean by less frames being animated per second.

There's more, though. Production for cartoons tend to have higher budgets than that of animes, so that could be one reason as to why the quality of animation is higher with cartoons. I guess with animes, Japanese animators tend to get the job done quicker (and a lot of scenes mirror what has already been drawn in manga), since most scenes (the ones that aren't action scenes) have less frames to draw. On top of that, less movements to animate. With American animators, most of them are trained to get more work done in the time that they are given. Basically, more frames drawn, more movements to animate. There are some cartoons that are or have been animated with less frames and movements. Old Hanna-Barberra cartoons did it the most. Today, there are more and more cartoons on television being animated in the same manner as animes, more or less. At the same time, there are some animes that animate with more frames and movements in all scenes. But, I'm really just speaking for the majority of both. That said, cartoons are tend to have higher-quality animation more often than not.

While I love anime, I gravitate more toward cartoons, based on this. The only thing that American animation and Japanese animation have in common is their 3D/CG animation techinques. They are practically the same in that regard. Both also use motion capture animation very frequently, too.

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#13 Posted by SMXLR8 (6812 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Edited by zeezee123 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting results.

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#15 Posted by ssj_god (16749 posts) - - Show Bio

both

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#16 Posted by zeezee123 (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't anime characters look like this:

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Girls

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Boys.

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#19 Posted by Frisky4 (9216 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

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#22 Posted by never give up (24994 posts) - - Show Bio

The DC Animated movies are why I love cartoons. But I grew up with DBZ, Pokemon, Yugioh. Other anime that I like are Elfen Lied and Akira. I don't watch much anime but I could watch Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, Spectacular Spider-Man, Wolverine and the X-Men etc anytime. I enjoy anime but not as much as cartoons.

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#24 Edited by WastelandMan (8819 posts) - - Show Bio

This is entirely subjective.

Based on picture though I'd say cartoons personally (in terms of which I like more).

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#25 Posted by reikai (7491 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: That's not always true. You're looking at more Disney quality animated feature films as opposed to the average everyday cartoon. The same is true for anime as you'll find many a movie feature with beautiful animation and constant, consistent motion in every scene.

When you compare Early animation styles, Western animation was rather atrocious. He-Man, for example, was just awful. Whereas Thundercats, despite being a story initially made in America, was created by animation teams over in Japan because Western studios just weren't up to the task of telling the story the way the creators wanted it to be seen. Even though Thundercats came out not a few years after He-Man, it's quality was by far superior.

We can look at 90's animated features. Perhaps some of the more notable ones of that time in the west, were the Batman TAS animated movies. Such as "Sub-Zero" and "Mask of the Phantasm" which, while excellently stylized and done, was not a huge improvement from the show itself.

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To it's credit it did come out in 1993. But just 4yrs later and we see the likes of Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust

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And if we wanted to look at some of the CGI works, the West gave us things like Toy Story in 1995.

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Which, at the time, was quite huge. But whereas we were doing childish things, it wasn't long before the East put things into a far more realistic look.

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Sure not all of these were gold winners in storytelling, but when it comes to Graphical quality, Anime and the East tends to go above and beyond what the West has done and continues to do so, to the point that many Cartoons and Comic-related animated films either borrow heavily from the Anime style or have Anime studios producing it. Like most of the Marvel Animated Films and even the G4 series of X-Men, Wolverine, Iron-Man and Blade.

There is also one major thing. Eastern live adaptations of anime and the like aren't nearly as awful as Western attempts of making cartoons and games into movies. Especially when Hollywood tries to steal an Anime and do it their way, ultimately making something so horrible that everyone around the world hates it. Like Speed Racer and DBE. Akira Toriyama, the Creator of Dragon Ball, was so horrified at what they were trying to do to his story that he abandoned work on the film, and they continued without him to do whatever they liked. Resulting in such a horrible, offensive mess that Anime fans consider it the worst adaptation ever made.

I guess one other thing to be said is that Cartoons in the West are primarily geared towards children and young adults. And some cartoons were mad explicitly to slap us in the face with the creators views and beliefs on what people should do. Like Captain Planet. Wheras on the other end, Anime is so varied that there is enough for everyone from small children all the way to adults of all types and orientations in life.

I mean, I don't think Western toons have anything even resembling Same-Sex partnering until Legend of Korra. And that was towards the end of the series. Whereas Anime was doing that in the 80's and 90's. Heck initially, in the Manga of Sailor Moon, two of the female cast were actually lesbians but that was adapted out in the English Dub of the anime and certain other things were changed so as to be less offensive to American viewers. Which kind of irks me, regardless of the fact I never liked Sailor Moon.

Overall I find anime better, not just for visual quality, but for being endlessly creative and broad, and that many anime do have an End to them whereas most cartoons feel the need to just keep going until their studios run out of money. Look at the Simpsons. It was a great series, but it's been going for 30yrs and I don't know of anyone who's still watching it.

There are cartoons I like and have even loved. Gargoyles was utterly fantastic and nobody can't not like Batman TAS. It's just a given. PPG, Invader Zim, Avatar and Danny Phantom have all been great. I have liked Fairly Oddparents, but it is one of those shows that didn't know when to end, and where the main characters ultimately never learned anything and repeated the same mistakes and sins every other episode. So it ran out of ideas very quickly.

But then we have anime like Durarara!, Fruits Basket, Fairy Tail, Black Butler, Death Note, Ergo Proxy, GUNDAM, DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Soul Eater, Ronin Warriors, Voltron, and just so much more that it just blows Western Cartoons out of the water with endless variety, so many varying styles of animation and overall much greater storytelling that I find myself more easily invested in Anime that I could in most any cartoon series.

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#26 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

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#27 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh Wait i forgot about family guy and south park and simpsons

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#28 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

.Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

You're clearly watching the wrong anime.

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#29 Posted by kyrees (13547 posts) - - Show Bio

not a battle

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#30 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderskaar said:

.Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

You're clearly watching the wrong anime.

and i can't stand that nearly every anime character have the same hairstyle, emo like.

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#31 Edited by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderskaar said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@elderskaar said:

.Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

You're clearly watching the wrong anime.

and i can't stand that nearly every anime character have the same hairstyle, emo like.

Now you're just trying to rustle jimmies.

Nice try though, too obvious.

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#32 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderskaar said:

@mysticmedivh said:

@elderskaar said:

.Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

You're clearly watching the wrong anime.

and i can't stand that nearly every anime character have the same hairstyle, emo like.

Now you're just trying to rustle jimmies.

Nice try though.

It's true ;)

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#33 Posted by JuzaCloud (3679 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, I was born in 1985, so I grew up in the 90's. Where is Doug, ren and stimpy, rocko's modern life, beast wars, mummies alive, darkwing duck, etc.?

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#34 Posted by Static Shock (53045 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai:

Well, I wasn't trying to say that it was always true. But, most of the time, it is. I also said this.

There are some cartoons that are or have been animated with less frames and movements. Old Hanna-Barberra cartoons did it the most. Today, there are more and more cartoons on television being animated in the same manner as animes, more or less. At the same time, there are some animes that animate with more frames and movements in all scenes, just as cartoons are.

Regardless, you're going to have your fair share of horribly-animated features from either the East or the West.

Even if you compare Mask of the Phantasm to Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, everything I said still holds true. Never mind the art style or visuals being the same as the Batman animated series. That's a totally different discussion. I'm talking strictly animation. There are instances during dialogue in VH where movement isn't constant or there simply isn't enough movement. I just went back to watch parts of VH, and noticed that during the scene after D catches that arrow, there's a lot more lip syncing than physical movement or facial expressions among those characters.

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But, in Mask of the Phantasm there's a balance between the animation of physical movement, gestures, facial expressions, and lip syncing. Animation is more believable here. Particularly the scenes were Bruce drops off his girlfriend, and the scene where Alfred hands him the letter.

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As far as Thundercats being animated by the Japanese, you're right about that. Same goes for G.I. Joe, both the movie and the animated series. They were animated by Toei Animation. I remember watching G.I. Joe: The Movie, and there was a bit more physical movement and gesturing during dialogue scenes. but the animation wasn't fluid enough to make it believable. Other than that, a lot of cartoons were outsourced to Japanese studios. But, that doesn't really take away from American animation, nor does make Japanese animation appear any better. Let's take it back a bit further. Remember the first Astro Boy anime? This came out in 1963.

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Compare the quality of animation in this anime, to this, which came out in 1950. Same as Mask of the Phantasm.

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I wouldn't compare Toy Story to Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Toy Story is traditional 3D animation, involving 3D character models, skinned over character rigs, and then animated using relevant software. Most of Final Fantasy was animated using motion capture. Movements came from actors wearing CG suits on the set. In essence, a lot of the animation was done for them by capturing the movements of the actors.

But, Toy Story wasn't the beginning of CG here in the West. That was Jurassic Park in 1993. Most of that was CG (and a few scenes of it being robots/animatronics), developed by Industrial Light and Magic, who at the time, had employees that didn't even know how to animate in CG. One of them had to prove that it could be done, in which it was. So, while Final Fantasy did have a realistic look, it had already been done.

But, back to anime. I went back to watch the first episode of Ronin Warriors. Remember what I said about background characters not moving? That's about three minutes into the episode. In the city, the camera pans to the left, as pedestrians are scattered about the street. Neither of them are moving. Yuli's parents, as the are speaking to him, do more lip syncing than physical movement and gestures. I'm not aware of varying animation styles in Japanese animation. Most of them are animated the same, just like Ronin Warriors is. Dragon Ball suffers from the same thing (though background characters are animated at times, unlike other animes). I went back to watch the episode where Bulma flashes Roshi. It's the same thing. It's like, while they're talking, their physical movements are "stop and go, stop and go" or something. Ultimately, action scenes tend to have a few more frames of animation and more constant physical movement than all other scenes in anime, period.

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#35 Posted by TheAmazingYOLO (615 posts) - - Show Bio

Just the characters present in the picture: Haruhi Solos

Including the entire universes of the characters in the picture: Haruhi Solos

Anime and comics in general: Haruhi Solos Both have been a massive part of my life and there's no way I could chose :3

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#36 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

There isn't one superior to other, really. Goes down to personal choice.

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#38 Edited by arqe (839 posts) - - Show Bio

There are lots of GOOD animes out there , cartoon qualities are BETTER but half the number ;

Anime ----> Quality => Quantitiy

Cartoon ----> Quality > Quantitiy

So they are evenly matched.

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#39 Posted by NightwingX (539 posts) - - Show Bio

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

Well, i guess u must have seen some intresting shows

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#40 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderskaar said:

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

Well, i guess u must have seen some intresting shows

yep

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#41 Posted by Vonstantine (275 posts) - - Show Bio

Pendleton Ward is awesome

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#42 Posted by NightwingX (539 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightwingx said:

@elderskaar said:

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

Well, i guess u must have seen some intresting shows

yep

Like this one?

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#43 Posted by ElderSkaar (5319 posts) - - Show Bio

@elderskaar said:

@nightwingx said:

@elderskaar said:

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

Well, i guess u must have seen some intresting shows

yep

Like this one?

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wow that is annoying

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#44 Posted by TonyChu (252 posts) - - Show Bio

Cartoon, simply because some of the anime in recent years have been downright terrible.

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#45 Posted by Thekillerklok (10096 posts) - - Show Bio

Couple of rambling points.

Funny thing Anime is an overarching term that includes all animation including every cartoon listed.

As for the Pic In OP If I had to make a List of my Top 100 anime Only Five of those would be included.

Animation quality varies drastically across all animation regardless of origin comparing "a" anime vs "a" "Cartoon" is a failed argument do to lack of sample size.

specifically comparing Disney Vs an Extremely Long running series is dishonest.

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#46 Posted by Anzendenai (239 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer reading manga instead of waiting till new episode comes out so i choose cartoon

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#47 Edited by never give up (24994 posts) - - Show Bio

For the cartoon side on the picture those aren't even the best cartoons.

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#48 Posted by Simon_the_digger (7054 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on the picture? Anime.

Anime and cartoons as a whole? They're both great in their own unique way and have their ups and downs. To say either is above either as a whole just wouldn't work.

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#50 Posted by Frisky4 (9216 posts) - - Show Bio

Cartoons because all i see in anime is girl whining about nothing, also anime lacks a decent storyline. I like cartoons such as American Dragon, Batman beyond and Courage even thought its scary at times. I hate adventure time so much though

LOL.

All of anime lacks a decent storyline. Not just one, all of them.