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Posted by floydfromhell97 (631 posts) 2 months, 21 days ago

Poll: MCU:Could Thanos(with/without IG) lift Thor’s hammer? (53 votes)

Yes 32%
No 70%
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#1 Posted by Richubs (4174 posts) - - Show Bio

No idea given we have no criteria as to what makes a person worthy..

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#2 Posted by ElSebbe (321 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably not.

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#3 Posted by awshucks (507 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt it.

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#4 Posted by tethadam (214 posts) - - Show Bio

No he is evil. No way he is lifting it.

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#5 Posted by supremthor69 (580 posts) - - Show Bio

actually not sure if we are talking about MCU Stormbreaker.

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#6 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam said:

No he is evil. No way he is lifting it.

  1. Thanos isn't evil
  2. Hela is worthy
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#7 Posted by RabumAlal (4963 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: He did seem suspiciously happy when he killed Loki.

Thanos is obviously not worthy but can lift it with IG.

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#8 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36711 posts) - - Show Bio

Being Pure in Purpose makes you worthy which is why Hela and Thor can lift the hammer and Loki can’t. Also it’s why Cap almost moves the hammer, if it was simply based on being good Vs Evil no freaking way does Hela move the hammer and Cap would have easily picked it up. Part of Cap is always a bit conflicted about being a solider and an agent of the American government hence Civil War...

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#9 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (6479 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't a battle.

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#10 Posted by tethadam (214 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: Thanos is very evil and Odin placed the Enchantment in Thor 1.

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#11 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam: Thanos' intention is to save half the universe, he is in no way evil.

Hela caught and held Mjonlir in Norway

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#12 Edited by deactivated-5ca9389143922 (596 posts) - - Show Bio

It didn't have the worthiness enchantment before Thor 1, so we don't know if Hela could lift it. Probably not, since her personality is basically a more violent version of Thor before becoming mortal.

Anyway, Thor became worthy by stopping to be a warmongering maniac (with the frost giants) and sacrificing his life for his friends. Thanos is a warmongering maniac and constantly sacrifices his friends for his own goals.

So, nah. Odin Bifrosts in and pimp slaps his ass.

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#13 Posted by RandomGuy287 (849 posts) - - Show Bio

nope

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#14 Posted by tethadam (214 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: Killing people is evil. That just means she is powerful enough to challenge the enchamtment.

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#15 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam: Is killing a murderer evil, given that that murderer would take thousands of innocent lives if he isn't put down?

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#16 Edited by Yamiyodare (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

Given his power, I think IG Thanos can do it.

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#17 Posted by ad-arts (1963 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: if you can stop them without killing then yeah killing a murderer would be evil.

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#18 Posted by ad-arts (1963 posts) - - Show Bio

Without ig no, with ig easy.

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#19 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10182 posts) - - Show Bio

If he has the space or reality stone then yes, otherwise he wouldn’t be able to.

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#20 Posted by Amcu (16618 posts) - - Show Bio

He can lift Stormbreaker as it was confirmed that anyone as strong as or stronger than Thor can lift it because it has no worthiness enchantment IIRC. Its just too powerful for people that aren't exceptionally strong.

He cannot lift Mjolnir without the gauntlet. It has a worthiness enchantment on it stopping anyone who is not worthy from lifting it.

He can lift Mjolnir with the gauntlet though because he could just alter reality and make it to where the hammer does not have the enchantment, or he can turn the hammer back in time to where it does not have the enchantment.

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#21 Posted by ElSebbe (321 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu: Source for the Strombreaker statement?

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#22 Posted by Amcu (16618 posts) - - Show Bio

@elsebbe said:

@amcu: Source for the Strombreaker statement?

https://www.cbr.com/why-goot-can-lift-stormbreaker-avengers-infinity-war/

Finally, the directors of the film, Joe and Anthony Russo, have put the debate to rest. While answering fan questions on Twitter to celebrate the digital release of Infinity War, the Russos were asked if Groot was worthy, like Thor and Vision. "Mjolnir requires worthiness, not Stormbreaker," the brothers confirmed, concluding the matter.

However, that doesn't meant that Stormbreaker is a weapon that is easy to wield. In a follow-up question, the Russos were asked who else was able to wield the powerful axe, considering that, in the film, Thor told the Guardians of the Galaxy that attempting to use Stormbreaker would destroy them. "There are few people as strong as or stronger than Thor," the directors answered, "and you know who some of them are."

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#23 Posted by ElSebbe (321 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@ad-arts: And if he can’t be stopped by other means?

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#26 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

You have to be worthy to lift Mjolnir, so Thanos can't lift it unless he has the reality stone and overwrites that enchantment.

Thanos can probably lift Stormbreaker, and probably even wield it without having his "body crumble and his mind collapse into madness" like weaker beings. However, Thanos has no god powers for the weapon to channel. It would just be a really good axe in his hands.

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#27 Posted by APEX_pretador (20254 posts) - - Show Bio

We will see in the next film I bet

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#28 Posted by APEX_pretador (20254 posts) - - Show Bio

We will see in the next film I bet

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#29 Posted by Lucano (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

@tethadam said:
  1. Thanos isn't evil

Damn son, I really don't want to know your deffinition of "evil".

OT: Thanos IS evil, and while you are not wrong regarding Hela wielding the Mjolnir, it is still not sure what it is what makes someone worthy, it might be something related to Asgard's power... And yes, Vision was zapped by it to be able to come into being, so there is that...

I doubt Thanos is worthy of lifting Mjolnir, however he should be able to warp reality to be able to lift it somehow.

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#30 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano: I fail to see how risking your life and sacrificing the things you love most in order to save the lives of billions of strangers evil.

Of course, we have no idea what makes someone worthy, but by bringing up Hela, we rule out the possibility that worthiness is based on moral alignment.

This question is ultimately based on speculation.

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#31 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

Stupid thread, obviously not

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#32 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11113 posts) - - Show Bio

With the I.G, yeah. Without it, no.

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#33 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11706 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it weird I kinda wanna see Hulk with Stormbreaker after reading the strength thing?

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#34 Posted by Subline (7780 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he's not worthy.

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#35 Edited by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos being evil or not is irrelevant. Lifting Mjolnir doesn't require you to be good. Just worthy in Odin's eyes. Cap is the paragon of goodness, and he's still not worthy.

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#36 Posted by Lucano (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: Personally I don't see Thanos' motive to be altruistic at all... It is more of a warped perception or a decision taken based solely on suffering, rage and despair... And a highly uneducated one to be honest. Plus as it is actually pointed out by both Gamora and Nebula, Thanos tortures even when it is not needed, many of his actions are indeed evil, regardless of whatever he thinks is correct, which is, by no means correct. Having the Gauntlet, Thanos can basically fix the problem in many self-sustainable ways, because, you know, REALITY WARPING.

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#37 Posted by death4bunnies (1135 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn’t hulk drag the hammer?

That makes me think pure strength can overwhelm the enchantment.

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#38 Edited by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano: Who do you think knows better about the IG and its capabilities: us, or the dude who spent decades trying to assemble it and then finally did? Thanos made his motif clear, he had the assembled gauntlet, and still eliminated half the universe. Clearly, he considered it to be the best possible action, and it probably was, even if our puny mortal intellect isn’t sufficient to comprehend it...

And could you remind me when he tortured needlessly?

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#40 Posted by jagernutt (16331 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder if Darth Sideous could lift it🤔?

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#41 Posted by Alavanka (2584 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn’t hulk drag the hammer?

That makes me think pure strength can overwhelm the enchantment.

No. In fact, it dragged Hulk.

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#42 Edited by Lucano (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: Who do you think knows better who Thanos needlessly torture? Us, or the two girls who watched him torture people needlesly for decades? Both Gamora and Nebula mentioned it in IW.

Plus again, reality warping, to be honest, the only way to see that argument as valid is actually taking into consideration how un-inspired and un-creative was the use of a gauntlet that according to comics, makes you, you know, quasi-omnipotent.

Peace.

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#43 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3404 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say he's worthy

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#44 Posted by ScotticusRex (636 posts) - - Show Bio

With the IG, he could probably undo or circumvent the worthiness enchantment. Without the IG, no.

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#45 Posted by SuperVision123 (438 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano:

I simply meant that I didn't recall those statements. So I looked up the script, and Gamora never said "needlessly." So, we must conclude that Thanos had a good reason to torture those people, such as important information which would help him reach his final goal - to save billions of innocent lives. Characters like CW Arrow also torture and kill to save more lives in the end, and they're considered heroes, aren't they?

The MCU is not the comics. If MCU Thanos could fix the universe's problems with a better way, he would.

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#46 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

Sure he could. Bloodthirsty King Odin was the one who enchanted it. Bloodthirsty Hela lifted it when it had the enchantment. Worthiness is not about any particular set of morals, it is the manner in which those morals are girded. And MCU Thanos has enough will to wield all the GL rings at once.

The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

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#47 Edited by Lucano (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

@supervision123: That is just an assumption. Gamora specifically stated with disdain and dislike the torturing part. Is not like when someone talks about The Holocaust will spceifically say "The NEEDLESS Holocaust", because DUH...

EDIT: Besides, Thanos saved nothing. Based on population growth studies, cutting the amount of living creatures from an echosystem, based on current numbers on the planet, would only slow down the wearing down of resources a couple of decades... Which renders Thanos' plan useless and just a senseless holocaust, as needless as the one in real life... Killing half of the universe every so many years, is basically causing the same amount of death, as if you did nothing, or probably worse, because if there was more efforts to achieve renewable resources, probably it would be attained, without having to commit genocide.

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#48 Edited by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano said:

@supervision123: That is just an assumption. Gamora specifically stated with disdain and dislike the torturing part. Is not like when someone talks about The Holocaust will spceifically say "The NEEDLESS Holocaust", because DUH...

EDIT: Besides, Thanos saved nothing. Based on population growth studies, cutting the amount of living creatures from an echosystem, based on current numbers on the planet, would only slow down the wearing down of resources a couple of decades... Which renders Thanos' plan useless and just a senseless holocaust, as needless as the one in real life... Killing half of the universe every so many years, is basically causing the same amount of death, as if you did nothing, or probably worse, because if there was more efforts to achieve renewable resources, probably it would be attained, without having to commit genocide.

I think Thanos had in mind that the societies would figure out how to manage their resources better post-chaos. It worked empirically planet-by-planet for him.

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#49 Posted by Lucano (3426 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: with less scientific resources, there is literally no way to actually do it... Specially if the genocide is random... Sure, way to go. And we only know of one planet in which HE claims it worked. We don't even know if it REALLY worked. A guy who needlessly murders and tortures, may very well lying about it.

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#50 Posted by Rebake (3943 posts) - - Show Bio

The life cycles for organisms in the MCU differ. Thor was probably a kid for centuries, and he doesn't have any children that we know of from all his years alive. Thanos' plan probably worked as intended for some planets and Earth isn't his main focus.

Thanos probably can't lift the hammer unless it takes willpower. But by traditional standards of worthiness, he fails due to his murderous methods. With the IG, he probably can overpower the enchantment.