Would you more accepting an non-binary superhero movie or homosexual superhero movie?
So my favourite topic is butt sex?
I'm down for both.
So your only rebuttal is to take two of my totally separate quotes, and lump them together without context?
Awesome, dude. You're so smart.
u say u're down for gays & non binaries. Those are butt sex practitioners? Try again.
So straight people don't ever have anal sex? Lol, okay.
Also, it's amusing that you think that being LGBT amounts to nothing more than anal sex.
And once again, who started talking about anal sex?
What's a leftist cuck?
Someone who instead of doing something productive debates butt sex in mass media.
Is that it?
They also accuse christians for not supporting butt sex.
That's right, you. Nobody else. Just you. You clearly have some kind of obsession/fascination with it. Don't feel bad. There's nothing wrong with it, regardless of whatever regressive beliefs have been drilled into your mind.
U say I'm prude, if u like it so much more than traditionalism then admit ur fascination with butt sex
I'm fine with both.
But that's not what we're here to talk about. All we're here to talk about is the inclusion of gay/non-binary people in superhero media. Yet you keep on talking about anal sex. Just non-stop. You really are obsessed with anal, aren't you?
Maybe you're gay, and have just repressed it all because your religious/ideological views won't allow for LGBT+ people, so it's making ya dial up the internalized homophobia? Nothing wrong with it if that's the case.
I'm as pure as a baby when it comes to gay stuff.
Why do you want butt sex in media? If character is gay, but he never mentions it then who cares, but u want butt sex on the forefront, u want butt sex partners holding hands.
"pure"
Lol, do you think we're the boogeyman or something?
Anyway, a gay couple holding hands =/= anal sex being portrayed on screen.
But you go on being insecure about it.
But you know that in reality, plenty of men come out as gay after having families, right? It's not uncommon or immoral.
LGBT+ people often convince themselves that they are straight and/or cis because their environment growing up taught them that LGBT+ is wrong. It's called internalized homophobia/transphobia.
I'm not condemning you or judging you, but I don't really think there's anything wrong with this.
@wolverinebatmanftw: Not really, no, because anyone can give any non-bigoted reason to choose it. I think it adds a bit more fairness to the choices.
What reasons do you think there could for being against LGBT representation other than a bigoted or antagonistic attitude towards LGBT people?
And regarding your last sentence, I'm not suggesting that the option shouldn't be included. After a bit of thought, I agree that it should. In any case, that's not really what I was asking you about, but no worries.
So my favourite topic is butt sex?
I'm down for both.
So your only rebuttal is to take two of my totally separate quotes, and lump them together without context?
Awesome, dude. You're so smart.
u say u're down for gays & non binaries. Those are butt sex practitioners? Try again.
So straight people don't ever have anal sex? Lol, okay.
Also, it's amusing that you think that being LGBT amounts to nothing more than anal sex.
And once again, who started talking about anal sex?
What's a leftist cuck?
Someone who instead of doing something productive debates butt sex in mass media.
Is that it?
They also accuse christians for not supporting butt sex.
That's right, you. Nobody else. Just you. You clearly have some kind of obsession/fascination with it. Don't feel bad. There's nothing wrong with it, regardless of whatever regressive beliefs have been drilled into your mind.
U say I'm prude, if u like it so much more than traditionalism then admit ur fascination with butt sex
I'm fine with both.
But that's not what we're here to talk about. All we're here to talk about is the inclusion of gay/non-binary people in superhero media. Yet you keep on talking about anal sex. Just non-stop. You really are obsessed with anal, aren't you?
Maybe you're gay, and have just repressed it all because your religious/ideological views won't allow for LGBT+ people, so it's making ya dial up the internalized homophobia? Nothing wrong with it if that's the case.
I'm as pure as a baby when it comes to gay stuff.
Why do you want butt sex in media? If character is gay, but he never mentions it then who cares, but u want butt sex on the forefront, u want butt sex partners holding hands.
"pure"
Lol, do you think we're the boogeyman or something?
Anyway, a gay couple holding hands =/= anal sex being portrayed on screen.
But you go on being insecure about it.
More like the stinkydickyman
Why do you want superhero holding hands with all his butt sex partners? Do u get off on it?
Sure why not have a non binary marvel movie. And I accept Captain America whether he is gay or straight.
Sure why not have a non binary marvel movie. And I accept Captain America whether he is gay or straight.
Now watch as people lose their minds over this and call you a soyboy liberal cuck
@wolverinebatmanftw: Not really, no, because anyone can give any non-bigoted reason to choose it. I think it adds a bit more fairness to the choices.
What reasons do you think there could for being against LGBT representation other than a bigoted or antagonistic attitude towards LGBT people?
And regarding your last sentence, I'm not suggesting that the option shouldn't be included. After a bit of thought, I agree that it should. In any case, that's not really what I was asking you about, but no worries.
Here are but some:
- The individual could be a child who is simply ignorant to what LGBT is.
- The individual could be someone that was brought up in a religious household to have certain beliefs.
- The individual could have been sheltered their whole life from the outside world (no television, no internet, etc.) and is ignorant to what LGBT even is.
- The individual could be mentally retarded and can't understand what LGBT is.
Side note: None of these are inherently evil.
A good movie about a gay character should make you feel like you are watching a normal movie where the character just happens to be gay
@wolverinebatmanftw: Not really, no, because anyone can give any non-bigoted reason to choose it. I think it adds a bit more fairness to the choices.
What reasons do you think there could for being against LGBT representation other than a bigoted or antagonistic attitude towards LGBT people?
And regarding your last sentence, I'm not suggesting that the option shouldn't be included. After a bit of thought, I agree that it should. In any case, that's not really what I was asking you about, but no worries.
Here are but some:
- The individual could be a child who is simply ignorant to what LGBT is.
- The individual could be someone that was brought up in a religious household to have certain beliefs.
- The individual could have been sheltered their whole life from the outside world (no television, no internet, etc.) and is ignorant to what LGBT even is.
- The individual could be mentally retarded and can't understand what LGBT is.
Side note: None of these are inherently evil.
I didn't say evil. I said bigoted. I don't think bigoted = evil, because bigotry can arise for a number of different reasons. For example, my grandfather thinks LGBT people are mentally ill deviants who should be placed in conversion centres. Is that bigoted? Absolutely. But I don't entirely blame him, because he grew up in an era that was extremely toxic towards LGBT people.
Anyway,
1. Why would a child, who is entirely ignorant towards what LGBT+ is, be opposed to LGBT+ people being portrayed in a film? And even if they are, that's still bigoted. They are unreasonably condemning an entire population towards the situation of whom they are not fully aware, simply because they are different. I don't blame that child. But that child's a bigot. For the moment at least.
2. Having certain a religious background =/= equal a free pass to discriminate. And people who say that they oppose LGBT+ because of their religious beliefs are often just being disingenuous anyway. For example, some Christian people like to say that gay people should be condemned because the Bible denounces them and says homosexuality is a sin. By that same metric, those people shouldn't be eating shellfish or wearing mixed cloth... and yet they still do. The fact is, these people usually are just using religion as an excuse to express their bigotry and potentially evade some of the usual consequences. Also, you can choose your religion, but you can't choose your sexuality.
3. Basically the same counterpoint as 1.
4. Again, basically the same counterpoint as 1.
More like the stinkydickyman
Why do you want superhero holding hands with all his butt sex partners? Do u get off on it?
Why don't you ever object when a straight couple hold hands in a film? Do you think straight people never have anal sex? You must either be terribly naive, or just knee-deep in denial. For that matter, why don't you go on a crusade against all the women in the porn industry who have anal sex with guys?
Oh, I know, because this discussion has nothing to do with anal sex. You're just being homophobic.
And I don't care about butt sex in movies. I just want LGBT+ characters to be given the same treatment and representation in film as straight cis characters. But I guess the mere thought that I, a bisexual male, am anything other than a sex-crazed maniac is too much for you to wrap your head around, isn't it?
Sidenote: you come off as very insecure and puritanical about sex. I suggest you grow up, get laid and join the 21st century.
A good movie about a gay character should make you feel like you are watching a normal movie where the character just happens to be gay
So if the movie about the gay character explores LGBT themes, does that, according to your view, mean it's not a good movie?
@wolverinebatmanftw: Not really, no, because anyone can give any non-bigoted reason to choose it. I think it adds a bit more fairness to the choices.
What reasons do you think there could for being against LGBT representation other than a bigoted or antagonistic attitude towards LGBT people?
And regarding your last sentence, I'm not suggesting that the option shouldn't be included. After a bit of thought, I agree that it should. In any case, that's not really what I was asking you about, but no worries.
Here are but some:
- The individual could be a child who is simply ignorant to what LGBT is.
- The individual could be someone that was brought up in a religious household to have certain beliefs.
- The individual could have been sheltered their whole life from the outside world (no television, no internet, etc.) and is ignorant to what LGBT even is.
- The individual could be mentally retarded and can't understand what LGBT is.
Side note: None of these are inherently evil.
I didn't say evil. I said bigoted. I don't think bigoted = evil, because bigotry can arise for a number of different reasons. For example, my grandfather thinks LGBT people are mentally ill deviants who should be placed in conversion centres. Is that bigoted? Absolutely. But I don't entirely blame him, because he grew up in an era that was extremely toxic towards LGBT people.
Anyway,
1. Why would a child, who is entirely ignorant towards what LGBT+ is, be opposed to LGBT+ people being portrayed in a film? And even if they are, that's still bigoted. They are unreasonably condemning an entire population towards the situation of whom they are not fully aware, simply because they are different. I don't blame that child. But that child's a bigot. For the moment at least.
2. Having certain a religious background =/= equal a free pass to discriminate. And people who say that they oppose LGBT+ because of their religious beliefs are often just being disingenuous anyway. For example, some Christian people like to say that gay people should be condemned because the Bible denounces them and says homosexuality is a sin. By that same metric, those people shouldn't be eating shellfish or wearing mixed cloth... and yet they still do. The fact is, these people usually are just using religion as an excuse to express their bigotry and potentially evade some of the usual consequences. Also, you can choose your religion, but you can't choose your sexuality.
3. Basically the same counterpoint as 1.
4. Again, basically the same counterpoint as 1.
Not accepting LGBT+ doesn't equate to someone being bigoted or discriminatory.
@wolverinebatmanftw: It really depends actually.
My favorite movie of all time is Love, Simon because of how relatable and beautiful the message is. It’s main plot is about Simon being gay, but “gay” isn’t his main character trait. Simon is a character on his own, without the term “gay” attached obviously the story wouldn’t work well, but Simon himself still remains a great character.
If a film was about a superhero for example and the superhero was “gay” and they turned that into his main character trait, it would be objectively a bad movie. Gay is not, and can not ever be a character trait if we are trying to normalize LGBTQ+ people in today’s society.
Really? Last time I checked, being in opposition to someone and wanting to prevent them from receiving equal treatment and representation in society for reasons beyond their own control is kinda both bigoted and discriminatory.
@wolverinebatmanftw: Well, maybe it does in your magical world of imagination, I guess. *Shrugs.*
So a world where we apply the definitions of words in the relvant contexts qualifies as magical and imaginary?
Damn Baldy, your life must be kinda dull.
@wolverinebatmanftw: Look, I'm not that invested into this topic and my posts are half-assed as it is, so if it's all the same to you, I'm not going to respond here anymore.
@wolverinebatmanftw: It really depends actually.
My favorite movie of all time is Love, Simon because of how relatable and beautiful the message is. It’s main plot is about Simon being gay, but “gay” isn’t his main character trait. Simon is a character on his own, without the term “gay” attached obviously the story wouldn’t work well, but Simon himself still remains a great character.
If a film was about a superhero for example and the superhero was “gay” and they turned that into his main character trait, it would be objectively a bad movie. Gay is not, and can not ever be a character trait if we are trying to normalize LGBTQ+ people in today’s society.
You mean, The movie is Gay porn
I think the only reason as to why people could argue that there should be a "no" option is if we wanted to se how many bigoted people there are here on vine...
Which would be a lot but tbh even then some people who are would say that they are fine with it but complain when a single instance shows up
To respond the post: yes in fact we need more positive representation of those in media
@tobeymaguire84: exactly lol
Long as it's not the main thing they promote about the character, sure.
Some people just don't really get that your sexual orientation is the least interesting trait about you past your teenage years. Besides, a quality product is based on how it was made by technical skill. Not by what minority group a person belongs to.
I'm fine with it if it's established characters with good pairings like Wiccan & Hulking, but shit like Cap x Bucky you can keep in your fanfics
Id be fine with it, but to doing it with a comic character who fits the bill here would be the ideal manner to do it, rather than them taking a popular character and altering them to be 'modern'
It would be weird to have someone like Green Arrow just be gay and end up with a dude, rather than follow up with Black Canary. Its weird, because its a character who shouldnt had been impacted by it, when they coulda done it for someone else who woulda made more sense to be whatever sexual preference or identity they choose to follow.
Even some characters who aren't in relationships would be an odd choice too, someone like The Human Torch who loves himself some ladies, would be odd if he was changed.
Do it to the right character, and tell a good or entertaining story with them and it shouldnt be an issue.
Loki is non binary
aslong as they dont give a existing hero a change because its clearly forced than it doesnt matter.
and for the ppl trying to complain, you are years to late.
Some people just don't really get that your sexual orientation is the least interesting trait about you past your teenage years. Besides, a quality product is based on how it was made by technical skill. Not by what minority group a person belongs to.
That's a fair criticism. Out of curiosity, how would you feel about a story wherein a superhero is openly gay, but is hated by certain parts of the public for it? As a sort of comment on homophobia, I guess.
@wolverinebatmanftw: I'd honestly say go for it. Going by experiences in real life such as my father sharing some offhand comments that he'd never have the balls to say to members of the minority group to their face and online where we're both familiar with a certain user here, prejudice against a minority group (I could get and understand there's some hatred against some of the more ... zealous and harmful people in the minority group but generally, the more reasonable in the minority group are not harmful to the self preservation of others) but still exists and should be shown in a medium that reaches out to a large audience. However, it shouldn't hammer down the message to the point that the movie treats it's audience as too dumb to get the point and hamper the movie's technical quality as a storytelling medium as a result.
@andromeda101: Yeah, sort of. Nice to see you too. I honestly planned and expected I would have been busier this past few months for thesis and practicum but due to certain ... Worldwide conditions, I honestly have more free time than usual.
Been more into doing a lot of cardio, core and weight training to get into better shape over the past few months than doing forums stuff, though.
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