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Posted by DonatelloRawks (1324 posts) 3 years, 1 month ago

Poll: Would Superman be more capable than Batman in fixing Gotham's problems? (61 votes)

Yes, Superman would fare better than Batman does in trying to save Gotham 51%
Superman wouldn't fare any better or worse than Batman does in trying to save Gotham 21%
No, Superman would actually make problems worse in trying to save Gotham 25%
I don't know 3%

What do you think?

Any stories back in the past about Superman trying to save Gotham? Maybe they can be used as "feats" (lol)

How would Superman's powers, character and personality fare in Gotham? If Superman was in Batman's place, do you think he would make Gotham a better place than Batman ever does?

Discuss!

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#1 Posted by deactivated-5a04a566e9ae3 (12864 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone would be more capable than Batman. The moron is the catalyst for all that's wrong with Gotham.

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#2 Posted by Invain (5141 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes.

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#3 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

I am saying he wouldn't make it all that different. Sure, he might be able to more easily round up and scare off Batman's enemies. But the problem will then be when people who don't like Superman show up in Gotham rather than Metropolis, like Lobo, Kalibak, Zod and Brainiac, so you've ended up trading one kind of problem for another... one the GCPD isn't going to be able to handle as well as the cops in Metropolis (because they've gotten used to it).

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#4 Posted by stark05 (172 posts) - - Show Bio

injustice among gods-- supermen vs joker--- superman gets corrupted/falls

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#5 Posted by Xibfwb (33 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder why people keep bringing up the injustice arc making seem like that's the way he'll always ends up, while we look at the kingdom come arc, he didn't get corrupted and fall. So yeah imo he would make gotham better.

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#6 Posted by Zer0-X (661 posts) - - Show Bio

No. The thing about Batman is that his concept of fear works best in that city. I think there have been comics depicting Gotham's view of Superman and IIRC they either didn't like him, didn't fear him or both. Batman just works because he was created from that city. He's connected to it. Superman is... not.

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#7 Edited by Zer0-X (661 posts) - - Show Bio

@sprior93 said:

Anyone would be more capable than Batman. The moron is the catalyst for all that's wrong with Gotham.

You're funny.

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#8 Posted by PapiNacho (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman would do worse than Batman, but he wouldn't make things worse than they would be without Bruce in the first place.

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#9 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3976 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, that's why you don't write Batman problems for Superman.

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#10 Posted by deactivated-5a04a566e9ae3 (12864 posts) - - Show Bio

@zer0-x: You're flattering.

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#11 Posted by Guru_Crack (11568 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd do worse as he isn't a detective so most of the problems would be over his head. I feel the Joker would also get to Superman more than he does Batman.

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#12 Posted by Cream_God (15519 posts) - - Show Bio

It would take years for him to learn Gotham like Batman does and just as long to learn his detective skills, worse for a while, equal for a bit, better eventually.

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#13 Posted by MetalJimmor (6158 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is a floating sonar device with X-ray vision that can hear and see everything from across the city with pinpoint accuracy.

His ability as a detective is more than sufficient.

The real problem is that Gotham can't get better. The people there are corrupt, and neither Superman nor Batman can change that. It's just how the city is written.

What you need is Martian Manhunter to go in and re-write everyone's brains so they stop being terrible people.

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#14 Posted by panther21 (1277 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is a floating sonar device with X-ray vision that can hear and see everything from across the city with pinpoint accuracy.

His ability as a detective is more than sufficient.

The real problem is that Gotham can't get better. The people there are corrupt, and neither Superman nor Batman can change that. It's just how the city is written.

What you need is Martian Manhunter to go in and re-write everyone's brains so they stop being terrible people.

i agree with this.

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#15 Posted by TheExile285 (4353 posts) - - Show Bio

I am saying he wouldn't make it all that different. Sure, he might be able to more easily round up and scare off Batman's enemies. But the problem will then be when people who don't like Superman show up in Gotham rather than Metropolis, like Lobo, Kalibak, Zod and Brainiac, so you've ended up trading one kind of problem for another... one the GCPD isn't going to be able to handle as well as the cops in Metropolis (because they've gotten used to it).

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#16 Posted by strangetales (1712 posts) - - Show Bio

No Gotham is a different beast than metropolis. He doesn't have the experience handling organized crime. He will stop them but the city is too corrupt. The criminals have their hands in the book that Superman goes by. They are a different kind of criminal, it's usual not a case of go beat em up

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#18 Posted by The-Seeffiss17 (1753 posts) - - Show Bio

Idk I actually don't think he'd be as effective in finding and getting intelligence and getting inside of gangs etc. batman I feel is better at combatting the underground.

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#19 Posted by darthdeadpool (1278 posts) - - Show Bio

obviously

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#20 Posted by HighAccuser (9696 posts) - - Show Bio

No. You upgrade a cities hero, you upgrade its villains.

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#21 Posted by Rubear (4643 posts) - - Show Bio

Two words. Phantom Zone.

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#22 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, that's why you don't write Batman problems for Superman.

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#23 Posted by kgb725 (18392 posts) - - Show Bio

It's hard to say.. If he was just competing with Batman villains then yes easily

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#24 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm surprised people are blaming Batman for everything that happens to Gotham

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#25 Posted by Invain (5141 posts) - - Show Bio
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#26 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7082 posts) - - Show Bio

I am saying he wouldn't make it all that different. Sure, he might be able to more easily round up and scare off Batman's enemies. But the problem will then be when people who don't like Superman show up in Gotham rather than Metropolis, like Lobo, Kalibak, Zod and Brainiac, so you've ended up trading one kind of problem for another... one the GCPD isn't going to be able to handle as well as the cops in Metropolis (because they've gotten used to it).

This pretty much it really depends on if the OP means Gotham villains in general and no outside bring ins or if it's just Superman moving to Gotham.

Characters like Grundy should give a fight though and I belive Ivy has caused problems before for the Man of Steel.

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#27 Posted by MasterDetective (1500 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course he would

Gotham doesn't really have super villains, Superman is used to a better class of ennemies

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#28 Posted by PeterParkerJr (6767 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is a floating sonar device with X-ray vision that can hear and see everything from across the city with pinpoint accuracy.

His ability as a detective is more than sufficient.

The real problem is that Gotham can't get better. The people there are corrupt, and neither Superman nor Batman can change that. It's just how the city is written.

What you need is Martian Manhunter to go in and re-write everyone's brains so they stop being terrible people.

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#29 Edited by BurningMartian (884 posts) - - Show Bio

No. The only thing that people have criticised Batman for is that he doesn't kill and the criminals leep escaping and causing trouble. Well Superman doesn't kill either. He could catch the criminals as efficiently, maybe even more so, but ultimately he doesn't have any permanent solutions either.

To everyone saying Supes could better Gotham, I'd like to hear what exactly he would do different than Batman.

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#30 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

I am saying he wouldn't make it all that different. Sure, he might be able to more easily round up and scare off Batman's enemies. But the problem will then be when people who don't like Superman show up in Gotham rather than Metropolis, like Lobo, Kalibak, Zod and Brainiac, so you've ended up trading one kind of problem for another... one the GCPD isn't going to be able to handle as well as the cops in Metropolis (because they've gotten used to it).

This pretty much it really depends on if the OP means Gotham villains in general and no outside bring ins or if it's just Superman moving to Gotham.

Characters like Grundy should give a fight though and I belive Ivy has caused problems before for the Man of Steel.

Well, lets put it this way; the Gotham regulars cant hurt him, and even if they got the entire city to do it, they cant just throw more henchmen at him in hopes to bring him down. This is ofc excluding the STAS scenario where one of them gets their hands on Kryptonite.

Very much depends on what version of Grundy you get, most of them however aren't really in Superman's league. Regarding Ivy... I seem to remember hearing alot about how Ivy's phermones working on Superman was a load of PIS, due to how he can walk through pretty much any toxic enviroment without aid and not suffer the slightest.

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#31 Posted by Immolation (1955 posts) - - Show Bio

If Gotham stayed the way it was and Superman took over, then yes.

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#32 Posted by Titanbreaker (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

No Gotham is a different beast than metropolis. He doesn't have the experience handling organized crime. He will stop them but the city is too corrupt. The criminals have their hands in the book that Superman goes by. They are a different kind of criminal, it's usual not a case of go beat em up

He clashes constantly with Intergang a world wide crime syndicate that makes Gotham's trash look like... well trash. Clark Kent has also exposed corruption many times with great success.

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#33 Posted by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

@sprior93 said:

Anyone would be more capable than Batman. The moron is the catalyst for all that's wrong with Gotham.

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#34 Edited by depinhom (13506 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course he would

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#35 Posted by righteous300 (3975 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, the guy hasn't even got rid of crime in his own city.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-57dd84d2af8d3 (615 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course. They don't call him Superman for no reason.

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#37 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18168 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, the guy hasn't even got rid of crime in his own city.

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#38 Posted by Bladewolf2 (144 posts) - - Show Bio

Heat Vision galore

Done

Gotham fixed

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#39 Posted by Black_Arrow (10247 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman's enemy is society, he needs to change the people of Gotham because they allow it to be a terrible city.