Would MCU Gorr's Wish Have Killed Eternity, Arishem & the Universe?

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Poll Would MCU Gorr's Wish Have Killed Eternity, Arishem & the Universe? (14 votes)

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In Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 2, Ego refers to himself as a god. In Eternals, they worship Arishem like a god, Ajak says "I respect your grand design Arishem," Sprite asks "Why did Arishem make me this way?" and Ikaris says "I exist for Arishem as do you." In Love & Thunder, two Celestials are in Omnipotence City with the other gods. So would Gorr's wish have killed Arishem and the rest of the Celestials?

Thor says, "If he seeks the Altar of Eternity that means he could wipe us out at once." Altars are for gods. Gorr says "I put my faith in a higher power hoping it would save her, and she died. Now I understand my daughter is the lucky one. She does not have to grow up in a world of suffering and pain run by wicked gods." So when Gorr kneels before the body of Eternity, does Gorr think of Eternity as a "higher power" and a god?

Finally, in the aftermath, Korg's monologue about Jane says "Her sacrifice saved the universe." There does not seem to be any reason why killing Thor, Zeus and other gods of that level would put the universe at risk of destruction. But killing Arishem and Eternity might. Besides, this wasn't even Gorr's idea -- it was the voice of the Necrosword's idea, so Gorr might not fully realize what would happen.

So ... would Gorr's wish have killed Eternity, Arishem, and the universe?

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It definitely very well could have, I interpreted it being it would grant gorrs wish to what Gorr believes, like gorrs definition of god, which is probably someone or something that is worshiped.

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There's a chance for that to happen. But it also could not happen.

While @idragonov made a good point.

Arishem, Eternity, and the Universe itself wouldn't and shouldn't die. What Gorr considers a God but isn't actually a God, wouldn't/shouldn't be affected by the wish, since it would only fulfill it's original and main purpose.

Only actul Gods like Khonshu, Zeus, Thor, etc, would die. Because they qualify and check all the boxes.

And if we go with the worshipping aspect.

Barely anyone knows about Eternity's existence to make it count as a God. And I doubt any worship him to begin with.

Same goes for Arishem & the universe.

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Celestials are not gods and Gorr is not stupid. He wouldn't want to destroy the multiverse with his wish.

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#4  Edited By ParkerKent

1. Valkyrie says "Eternity is a very powerful being at the center of the universe. It will grant the desire of the first person who reaches it." The only constraint put on the wish is the desire of the wisher. So what does that mean if not what Gorr considers to be a god in the moment he makes the wish?

2. Zeus says of Omnipotence City: "This is a secret place, known only to the gods." Two Celestials are there. Plus Ego, a Celestial, already referred to himself as a god. So, if Zeus says the only people in Omnipotence City are gods, and Ego said he is a god, why aren't the Celestials gods?

3. Gorr's child died, he renounced his own god, and he tells Jane in the Shadow Realm that he knows that he himself is dying. He is a lonely, grieving, irate, dying, mass murderer. So how is that not the kind of person who would seek the destruction of the multiverse?

4. At the end, Korg says of Jane “her sacrifice saved the universe.” Korg also says "The Space Viking and his girl, born from Eternity with the powers of a god." We see her reborn glowing with Eternity's cosmos. So what does Korg mean if the universe was not at risk, and what god is Korg referring to, if not Eternity?

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@parkerkent:

Valkryie says "Eternity is a very powerful being at the center of the universe. It will grant the desire of the first person who reaches it." The only constraint put on the wish is the desire of the wisher. So what does that mean if not what Gorr considers to be a god in the moment he makes the wish?

Gorr's definition or what he considered as God's are different than Celestials & Eternity.

And they won't/shouldn't be included because they themselves aren't actually Gods like Zeus. Gorr's main desire was to have revenge against Gods. Anyone that matches what he thinks of Gods like the one he killed at the beginning, and Thor, are free game.

But adding Celestials is a bit of a stretch.

Zeus says of Omnipotence City: "This is a secret place, known only to the gods." Two Celestials are there. Plus Ego, a Celestial, already referred to himself as a god. So, if Zeus says the only people in Omnipotence City are gods, and Ego said he is a god, why aren't the Celestials gods?

1. Those Celestials might as well be glorified body guards. There's no proof they're Gods. And if those two are, doesn't mean the likes of Ego are Gods. Cause every Celestial we see is a different type with different levels and feats. The two Celestials in the Omnipotent city haven't proved they have anything special to make them gods.

2. Ego is a literal, no pun intended, ego maniac. He's a power hungry psycho that was killing his own kids to use as a battery. Him referring to himself as a God is an empty claim due to him being high on power.

Gorr's child died, he renounced his own god, and he tells Jane in the Shadow Realm that he knows that he himself is dying. He is a lonely, grieving, irate, dying, mass murderer. So how is that not the kind of person who would seek the destruction of the multiverse?

He hates the gods. But the destruction of the Multiverse is a bit too far. Gorr still has a functional brain. He knows others will suffer like him if he does something so horrible. And as shown, he still retains empathy.

Grieving =/ Ending the world full of people who were like you, for no reason other than being petty.

Gorr wants justice against the Gods. Not for everyone who did him no wrong to get screwed as well. It's a little far fetched to say he wants everyone to die.

What did Korg mean by “her sacrifice saved the universe” if the universe was not at risk?

Korg isn't really the best source to use. What he said may as well just be empty symbolic garbage.

And that's ignoring the fact he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

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#6  Edited By ParkerKent
@cryolancer47 said:

@parkerkent:

Valkryie says "Eternity is a very powerful being at the center of the universe. It will grant the desire of the first person who reaches it." The only constraint put on the wish is the desire of the wisher. So what does that mean if not what Gorr considers to be a god in the moment he makes the wish?

Gorr's definition or what he considered as God's are different than Celestials & Eternity.

And they won't/shouldn't be included because they themselves aren't actually Gods like Zeus. Gorr's main desire was to have revenge against Gods. Anyone that matches what he thinks of Gods like the one he killed at the beginning, and Thor, are free game.

But adding Celestials is a bit of a stretch.

Zeus says of Omnipotence City: "This is a secret place, known only to the gods." Two Celestials are there. Plus Ego, a Celestial, already referred to himself as a god. So, if Zeus says the only people in Omnipotence City are gods, and Ego said he is a god, why aren't the Celestials gods?

1. Those Celestials might as well be glorified body guards. There's no proof they're Gods. And if those two are, doesn't mean the likes of Ego are Gods. Cause every Celestial we see is a different type with different levels and feats. The two Celestials in the Omnipotent city haven't proved they have anything special to make them gods.

2. Ego is a literal, no pun intended, ego maniac. He's a power hungry psycho that was killing his own kids to use as a battery. Him referring to himself as a God is an empty claim due to him being high on power.

Gorr's child died, he renounced his own god, and he tells Jane in the Shadow Realm that he knows that he himself is dying. He is a lonely, grieving, irate, dying, mass murderer. So how is that not the kind of person who would seek the destruction of the multiverse?

He hates the gods. But the destruction of the Multiverse is a bit too far. Gorr still has a functional brain. He knows others will suffer like him if he does something so horrible. And as shown, he still retains empathy.

Grieving =/ Ending the world full of people who were like you, for no reason other than being petty.

Gorr wants justice against the Gods. Not for everyone who did him no wrong to get screwed as well. It's a little far fetched to say he wants everyone to die.

What did Korg mean by “her sacrifice saved the universe” if the universe was not at risk?

Korg isn't really the best source to use. What he said may as well just be empty symbolic garbage.

And that's ignoring the fact he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

A lot of your logic here is not actually in the movie. Gorr never states what he does and does not consider a god. There is no statement or action regarding Celestials as Omnipotence City bodyguards and Zeus summons guards on Thor which were not Celestials. Ego first calls himself a Celestial then Star-Lord responds that this makes him a god and Ego says "small g" so that's not even Ego introducing the claim.

Gorr's mental state is the question, so we can't prove or disprove either way, and he doesn't have to want the universe to end if killing Celestials and Eternity would cause that as a secondary result. (By the way, Gorr causes a boulder to fall onto Asgardian kids, which he sees and he doesn't care, so even if he hates gods that's some sadistic stuff that points to lack of empathy.)

There is nothing in the movie to suggest that Korg's narration is false -- he even corrects his Jane Fonda / Foster comment immediately.

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#7  Edited By Ccbm2208

Eternity wouldn't include himself in the hit list, that for sure.

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@ccbm2208 said:

Eternity wouldn't include himself in the hit list, that for sure.

He's sitting in a meditative position, totally silent, taking no onscreen action in his self interest. And the movie puts no constraint on the wish. Based on that, seems like headcanon to assume what Eternity would not allow. According to the movie, the wisher has all the power.

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#10  Edited By ParkerKent

I think the reason the movie does not state this outright is because of how it could be interpreted:

"A mass murderer can get God to commit suicide."

Disney cannot be on record with that as a movie premise. So it's between the lines.