Wonder Woman And Justice League "Hit The Right Tone"

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“Tone” has been the magic word for the DC Universe since the release of Batman v Superman. Would future films get the right tone, giving audiences a sufficiently fun, superhero feeling to go along with the universe’s decidedly dark vision? Well, at CinemaCon 2017, that answer, maybe for the first time, was “Yes.”

At the Las Vegas convention, Warner Bros. presented new footage from Wonder Woman and Justice League—and the first footage anywhere of Aquaman, which hasn’t even begun shooting yet. And with each, it really looked like the DC Films may be on the right track.

Justice League

They showed this last, but I’m going to talk about it first. Basically, we saw the trailer you’ve all watched by now but with three new, very quick scenes.

The first scene was Bruce Wayne working in a huge new warehouse he bought near the harbor. In it, we see what they called on-set “The Flying Fox.” However, it seems this may be the first time we see it in the movie. Bruce is working on the huge plane when Diana walks in. Bruce says that he spent a lot of money on security for this place and she replies that it was worth it, because it took her almost a minute to disable it. She asks what he’s working on and he says a prototype jet used to carry troops. He got it because he thinks there’s a battle coming. “Not coming, Bruce,” she says. “It’s already here.”

Then the trailer, which you’ve seen, followed by a slow motion shot of Wonder Woman falling down a shaft. She’s trying to catch a sword that is falling. The Flash sees this, runs up the wall and ever-so-slightly touches the tip of the sword, bouncing it back to her so she can grab it. Very cool stuff.

Next, Barry, Diana, and Bruce are standing outside in street clothes and the Batsignal comes into the sky. Barry freaks out. I don’t remember the exact phrasing but it was basically something like “Oh awesome, the Batsignal, that’s you!” He says it loudly though and realizes they are in public. “Oh shit, sorry, that means we have to go now, right?” “Yes, that’s what it means,” Bruce says.

The wonder and attitude that Diana and Barry show in these scenes is everything missing from the previous films. Admittedly, these are only three short pieces, but they were great.

Aquaman

The DC section of the CinemaCon panel began with Aquaman, a film that Jason Momoa revealed he is literally getting on a plane tonight to go shoot in Australia. So, obviously, there isn’t any footage but they put together a little reel of concept images to explain what Aquaman is going to be like.

It started with what looked like a bunch of ships flying against a dark blue sky. Very dark, metallic, looking ships. Think the Kryptonian tech in Man of Steel, but not exactly that. Anyway, director James Wan explains in voiceover behind these images that he wanted to create a dogfight in outer space. However, as you are watching it and the camera moves closer and closer you realize these aren’t ships. They are humans riding sharks and octopuses. And we saw images of exactly that. The entire fight is underwater.

Wan described Aquaman as an origin story, so the first time we see Atlantis should be the same time Aquaman sees Atlantis. The concept art was epic. A huge, almost Gondor-like city, lots of detail, and hangers with ships going in and out which are flanked by massive statues. However, there are also shots of a lighthouse on a hill, and a few more serene spaces. The whole movie is not going to be underwater.

He described Aquaman’s world as a very different one, and they showed a few characters such as an almost robot character with a single, large, red eye and another that was almost like a walking man with a shark head (quite possibly Black Manta and King Shark but I can’t be sure). There’s also an image of Aquaman putting his hand on a huge whale.

Aquaman couldn’t have been made five years ago, says Wan, because everyone in this world is basically their own superhero. They fly and slide everywhere because they are in water, and each has special abilities. As Wan talks about this, we see lots of concept art of characters played by Willem Dafoe, Amber Heard, and others. We also saw Aquaman fighting a huge creature.

The film is described as a fun adventure with romance, and as we hear that, there’s a drawing of Aquaman and a woman sitting on a boat under a sunset. A quick burst of images showed underwater ruins, killer hammerheads and, finally, a battle between two people with tridents.

I was stunned by the epic vision Wan presented in this footage. Unfortunately, we have well over a year until we see it.

Wonder Woman

Last but certainly not least was Wonder Woman, the film we’ve seen the most from because it’s out in June. The presentation started, basically, with an alternate version of the most recent trailer. However, it then went into a scene of Steve Trevor and Diana Prince on a rundown old boat.

“How long until we reach the war?” Diana asks. Steve explains the war is a big place but Diana persists. “Where the fighting is most intense,” she says. She believes it’s there that she will find Ares, the God of War, and defeat him with her sword. She believes she’s the only person who can do it and, once she does, the Germans will be free of his influence and go back to being good people.

It’s late, however, so Steve asks if she wants to go to sleep. She says yes but when he goes to sleep somewhere else, she’s confused. There’s plenty of room, she says, do you not sleep with women? This leads to Steve trying to be a gentleman but also not wanting to insult her, and it’s a very cute, believable interaction between these two polar opposite characters.

Steve asks her who her father was if she’s never met a man before. Diana responds that she never had one. Her mother sculpted her out of clay and she was brought to life by Zeus. “That’s neat,” Steve says.

The scene then changes to the morning. They are pulling into London and Diana says that this place is hideous. And it is. It looks very much like a DC Films city, with smoke, ruins, and plenty of gray and blue.

On the streets of London now, they’re walking somewhere and Steve begins to get suspicious. He believes they are being followed. So he ducks into an alleyway and he’s right. Someone puts a gun to his head. Just as another man is about to shoot him, Diana blocks the bullet with her bracelet. This leads to a fun action scene with Diana beating up five or six men quite easily. Steve asks if she has any other tricks and, just then, she lassos a man who was further away.

The final new Wonder Woman scene has her in the full armor. She’s with a group of soldiers in a blown apart city. She tells them to wait because she’s going ahead and she starts running. Using her shield to block incoming gunfire, she launches off a wall and into another apartment. The rest of this scene you’ve seen in various trailers, where Wonder Woman dismantles several guys peppered with tiny instances of slow motion. And it’s very cool, but the way it ends is better. She kicks the final man out of a window and, from the side, we see her kick him, him go through the window, she follows as the glass explodes and the camera moves across the wall following them both outside. She then starts running on rooftops and that’s where the new scenes ended, right into a montage of footage.

What I liked best about Wonder Woman was the way it played with reality and mythology. Diana and Steve are people from two different worlds and ways of life. Their differences are truly used in a smart, entertaining way to give the film some energy. I hope it works that way throughout.

All in all, an impressive showing for the DC films at CinemaCon on Wednesday.

Keep in mind this was posted by io9. A website that I don't think have posted a single nice thing (with good reason) about the DCEU since it started. Dare I say it, is there hope?

New Footage from Justice League, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman Hits All the Right Notes

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I'll believe it when I see it. The DCEU has done nothing to inspire hope or enjoyable representations of their characters in any sense. There's so much missing from the DCEU and so much ground to cover in so little movies that every movie has a lot of pressure to salvage the DCEU's credibility. Some few nice press comments don't change that.

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@lvenger said:

I'll believe it when I see it. The DCEU has done nothing to inspire hope or enjoyable representations of their characters in any sense. There's so much missing from the DCEU and so much ground to cover in so little movies that every movie has a lot of pressure to salvage the DCEU's credibility. Some few nice press comments don't change that.

Co-signed

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#4  Edited By TheAmazingSpidey

I have faith that Wonder Woman, Justice League and Aquaman will be good.

That said, if Wonder Woman is mediocre, I myself will lose faith.

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@lvenger said:

I'll believe it when I see it. The DCEU has done nothing to inspire hope or enjoyable representations of their characters in any sense. There's so much missing from the DCEU and so much ground to cover in so little movies that every movie has a lot of pressure to salvage the DCEU's credibility. Some few nice press comments don't change that.

^this.

I don't know if there's still hope for DCEU.

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Actually the Justice League tone felt disconnected from that worldbuilding setup, some sort of identity crisis...

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Unless a miracle happened overnight Gal still can't act and it's painfully obvious in the trailers. I mean they barely let her speak in the trailers. The movie hopes it'll be mediocre at best. The same goes for Mamoa as Aquaman. How many times can people be fooled by a trailer?

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#8  Edited By SaintWildcard

If only it were so simple as having the right tone and being a good movie for me

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Unless a miracle happened overnight Gal still can't act and it's painfully obvious in the trailers. I mean they barely let her speak in the trailers. The movie hopes it'll be mediocre at best. The same goes for Mamoa as Aquaman. How many times can people be fooled by a trailer?

If that was the case then why would they show extended talking scenes to the press?

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@jonny_anonymous: Watch the trailer yourself and you tell me with a straight face she can carry a WW franchise.

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@lone_wolf_and_cub: I've seen the trailer, I've also seen all the F&tF movies she's been in. Again I say if she was that bad they wouldn't show extended talking scenes to the press. It's not like any of the Avengers actors are actually that great, they are all good enough for superhero roles.

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@lvenger said:

I'll believe it when I see it. The DCEU has done nothing to inspire hope or enjoyable representations of their characters in any sense. There's so much missing from the DCEU and so much ground to cover in so little movies that every movie has a lot of pressure to salvage the DCEU's credibility. Some few nice press comments don't change that.

Bang. This man gets it.

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@jonny_anonymous: She's not even good enough for the role she got. But don't worry this movie will be out soon enough and I'll be there to let you know I told you so.

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Unless a miracle happened overnight Gal still can't act and it's painfully obvious in the trailers. I mean they barely let her speak in the trailers. The movie hopes it'll be mediocre at best. The same goes for Mamoa as Aquaman. How many times can people be fooled by a trailer?

A very valid point that fans of the JL trailer are not taking into account.

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I seriously doubt if they'll cast people who can't act. I mean it's a superhero role after all, it's not like you need to deliver a great performance anyway, just solid enough,

If the films are good or bad, Gal will silence the haters with her role as Diana/Wonder Woman.

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Unless a miracle happened overnight Gal still can't act and it's painfully obvious in the trailers. I mean they barely let her speak in the trailers. The movie hopes it'll be mediocre at best. The same goes for Mamoa as Aquaman. How many times can people be fooled by a trailer?

You've gotta keep in mind the DCEU has a pretty solid fanbase. For example, I thought MoS was a masterpiece, thought BvS was great, and thought Suicide Squad was flawed but enjoyable. A lot of the hype's coming from there. Then there's the people who didn't really think the movies were great or anything, just entertaining, and from trailers like Justice League entertainment seems certain at least. I don't think many people are being "fooled by a trailer".

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Can't wait. Also it's the same people that claim they have no faith in the DCEU and all that, but are always the first people in a DCEU thread. Lije if you have no faith why are you constantly here?

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Can't wait. Also it's the same people that claim they have no faith in the DCEU and all that, but are always the first people in a DCEU thread. Lije if you have no faith why are you constantly here?

^This, this so much.

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@lvenger:

@lone_wolf_and_cub said:

Unless a miracle happened overnight Gal still can't act and it's painfully obvious in the trailers. I mean they barely let her speak in the trailers. The movie hopes it'll be mediocre at best. The same goes for Mamoa as Aquaman. How many times can people be fooled by a trailer?

You've gotta keep in mind the DCEU has a pretty solid fanbase. For example, I thought MoS was a masterpiece, thought BvS was great, and thought Suicide Squad was flawed but enjoyable. A lot of the hype's coming from there. Then there's the people who didn't really think the movies were great or anything, just entertaining, and from trailers like Justice League entertainment seems certain at least. I don't think many people are being "fooled by a trailer".

I don't like any of the DCEU movies. In fact I actively despise some of them. I am also not being fooled by the trailers because as I have said in literally every topic about this "DC have proven that they can make good trailers, but they have yet to prove they can actually make good movies." But what I am saying, in this thread specifically, is that press that so far have also not liked any of the DC movies, have seen some extended scenes in upcoming movies and said they hit a much better tone.

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Tone was never a problem, at least for me.

For those that do have a problem with DCEU tone, and didn't like Man Of Steel or Batman v Superman because of the tone....well then there's a 99.7% you are not going to like JUSTICE LEAGUE, so don't waste your time.

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Aquabro!

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Can't wait. Also it's the same people that claim they have no faith in the DCEU and all that, but are always the first people in a DCEU thread. Lije if you have no faith why are you constantly here?

Because we're allowed to have an opinion that the DCEU is butchering the characters we grew up with and love just like you're allowed to think the DCEU is the bee's knees.

@jonny_anonymous I don't care what the press says, I haven't been impressed by anything in the DCEU since I watched Man of Steel. Besides, once the reviews come out, the same critics will criticise the DCEU's tonal problems and lack of fun and I can't really say I blame them. First Suicide Squad was touted as the film that would save the DCEU and now it's Wonder Woman and if it fails then it will be Justice League. Waiting for the next film to save the DCEU gets old after a while.

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@lvenger: No this is different, because for some reason you feel the need to say the same thing in any thread involving the DCEU. You're not adding anything new to the conversation. For example, I didn't care for either of the trailers for Spiderman and I've said that, but I don't say it in every thread involving the new spiderman movie. So are you trying to convince us that you don't care or are you trying to convince yourself?

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How much did WB pay for that BS write up?

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@righteous300: It's not like the DCEU has added anything new to the comic book genre to be fair so it's understandable its critics have run out of new things to say about it. You can say whatever you want about Spider-Man Homecoming, there are reasons to dislike it. I know I don't care about the DCEU, it can't salvage itself from the mess it's made. Just because I comment about it online doesn't mean I'll spend money to see it. That'd be like paying someone to punch you in the face.

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@lvenger: okay so why say anything at all? Cause now you just sound like a bitter fanboy.

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#31 the_stegman  Moderator

@righteous300 said:

Can't wait. Also it's the same people that claim they have no faith in the DCEU and all that, but are always the first people in a DCEU thread. Lije if you have no faith why are you constantly here?

^This, this so much.

Yup.

I miss the "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" mantra.

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#32  Edited By righteous300

@lvenger: How so? I've voiced my complaints and I've voiced what I've liked. I'm not repeating myself like a broken record in every thread.

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@righteous300: Then why are you saying the people who don't like this trailer are repeating themselves?

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@the_stegman: @righteous300: @petey_is_spidey: Please. Same people whining are the same ones doing the same thing in MCU threads. Give me a break. Grab a tissue and toughen up. The hypocrisy of some people.

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#35  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

@lone_wolf_and_cub: Ah yes, your tried and true "Toughen up" defense.

Aka, "I can troll as much as I want, but when someone calls me out on it, THEY are the problem."

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@lvenger: You have to admit though, if they manage to pull off the Aquaman movie it sounds like it could be epic.

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#37  Edited By Gotoucanario

Cheerful and happy tone is overrated, I get the movies don't have to be all dark all times but I actually don't care personally. Batman v S failed for me in cohesivness, editing and because poor Luthor casting choice. I still liked many parts of it including Batfleck, WW, I don't have the problem that most have with Supes and love the action sequences. I just want them to make good movies whether that leads them to a ligther tone or not, I want them to stick to their vision. I couldn't care less how much they catter to the circlejerk that wants them to be add jokes because MCU it's where it's at, just do what you want to do.

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@lone_wolf_and_cub: When have I trolled the Marvel forums. I've said I've been excited for things from both properties for the longest. In fact then only time I've been clearly joking was when SS won an Oscar. So please explain?

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@the_stegman: The troll calling some else a troll is cute. Stop crying it's pathetic.

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@lvenger: Because they were saying they had no hope for it long before the trailer came out. They're have been multiple threads for JL since the trailer and all they do is repeat themselves.

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#41 the_stegman  Moderator

@lone_wolf_and_cub: Yeah, I'm the troll. I'm the one who goes into every thread about a franchise I apparently hate just to say, "Don't forget, they suck!"

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#42  Edited By CaptainCanada37

@the_stegman: The troll calling some else a troll is cute. Stop crying it's pathetic.

Bro, chill. There's no competition between the DCEU and MCU. Most people who enjoy the DCEU enjoy stuff from the MCU too, and often vise versa. Bashing the other just because you enjoy one side's content more is pointless.

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Just stay loyal to the source, Man of Steel and New 52 superman failed because they were not like the classic iconic Superman, they were just a completelly different character wearing his uniform.

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@jonny_anonymous: Not really, it takes more than big promises and early footage for an epic Aquaman movie to come out of this. Momoa needs to really sell his role and the surfer dudebro thing is not very Aquaman like IMO.

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Yup. Now we know exactly how bad they'll be upon release

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There are a bunch of pessimistic old men in this thread shaking their sticks at the TV.

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@bluehope said:

Just stay loyal to the source, Man of Steel and New 52 superman failed because they were not like the classic iconic Superman, they were just a completelly different character wearing his uniform.

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I disagree on both counts, especially n52 Superman. He has 4+ years of source material. He's not solely defined by his actions in Truth, or Lodbell. There are moments in post-crisis Superman's history where he's nothing but a shell of the one pictured above.

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This thread is rich in NaCl

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