Why isn't Batman v Superman: Ultimate Edition considered a masterpiece film?

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People kept raging on the shortfalls of the theatrical version. But they seemed to have forgotten about or not even watched the Ultimate Edition which is the film version the misunderstood genius director Zack Snyder had intended to be.

I have watched the Ultimate Edition and while its rather long, every plot element makes sense. Superman being unable to save people in the courtroom was because he cannot see the lead-lined bomb which was as planned by Luthor. I can see that plot for the first time, so why can't you?

Seriously I don't get all the ridicule for the Martha scene in the aftermath of the Batman v Superman fight. Its just Superman desperately uttering his own mother's name and Batman hearing something that resonates with his initial motivation. WHAT IS WRONG????

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Because it is not.

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Its fine that you like it. But to make another thread about it? Its long overdue.

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#4  Edited By Mrnoital

yeah, even seeing Superman beg, not for his own life, for for his mothers while he's almost dying, does feel more meaningful

contradicting Batmans whole view on him

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Mainly because of the Martha scene. That just came out of left field. Everything else worked except for that one.

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Because it's a decent movie no where close to a masterpiece

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Bad movies don't earn the rank of masterpiece.

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LOL! And here I thought people actually got over this.

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Enough with these threads ffs...

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#11 rogueshadow  Moderator

Move on.

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Because it's not good? and the Ultimate Cut Barley changed anything worth noting. It boggles my mind fans of the movie act like it's a completely different film. If you didn't like the TC, there was nothing in the UC to change your mind. Oh,Thanks for explaining that bomb,this movie is great now! or changing that newscast Superman was watching really changed my mind! Oh more Clark Kent,Yea..fans certainly wanted more of that. Come on now.

UC or TC,awful characterization and a forced conflict that is simply thrown away by a clever but stupid coincidence.

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Because it's not good? and the Ultimate Cut Barley changed anything worth noting. It boggles my mind fans of the movie act like it's a completely different film. If you didn't like the TC, there was nothing in the UC to change your mind. Oh,Thanks for explaining that bomb,this movie is great now! or changing that newscast Superman was watching really changed my mind! Oh more Clark Kent,Yea..fans certainly wanted more of that. Come on now.

UC or TC,awful characterization and a forced conflict that is simply thrown away by a clever but stupid coincidence.

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Why are people making these threads still?

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It is not good and deal with it !

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I blame Martha.

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What’s up with the renewed interest in BvS? Within the past couple of days there have been threads trashing it or loving it

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#20  Edited By Saberscar223
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Because it isn't.

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Bad movies don't earn the rank of masterpiece.

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If I was on a desert island, and the only source of food I had was BvS UC disks... I would rather starve to death

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It's a pretty good movie, but not a masterpiece.

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@tsciallsolle3451:

I'm really, really, HONESTLY glad you like it so much but YOU liking it this much isn't going to convince other people to. Just enjoy it and let the haters hate. Don't let it effect you.

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Oh for crying out loud...

Get

Over

It

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@rbt said:

It's a pretty good movie, but not a masterpiece.

Don't be salty Batfleck stomps Arrow.

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@rbt said:

It's a pretty good movie, but not a masterpiece.

Don't be salty Batfleck stomps Arrow.

Batfleck wishes.

Though this might become true after JL.

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Because it’s not a masterpiece.

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Because.. it was not good

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@keenko said:

Because.. it was not good

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Dunno why

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When are you people going to understand that not everyone feels the same about films?

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I still didn't like it.

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Dude. Let it go.

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Lmfao masterpiece? ??????

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#39  Edited By Magian

Because it's not a masterpiece. Sure the Ultimate Edition is definitely better than the theatrical version but still that doesn't mean that the movie suddenly became a masterpiece or something.

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#40 krisbishop  Moderator

It's absolutely a great movie. Espeically for a superhero movie, where plots are usually so thin. Definitely doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. I'd put it as one of the best superhero movies of all time, below movies like The Dark Knight and Logan.

But a masterpiece? Like maybe The Dark Knight? Probably not. Definitely still has its flaws, I'll give it that.

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Because it is not?. Seriously, what is with these DCEU apologist threads?

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Because its not

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The movie isn't just a masterpiece you DCEU hater. The movie tells something of a fundamental importance, it is perfect in everything. Film perfected. Not even the likes of Christopher Nolan can match it.

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#44  Edited By DeathandGrim

Because it was terrible. Just because some plot points were filled in doesn't mean the plot wasn't muddled, mundane, and miserable.

Superman and Batman have no damn character.

Superman is a broody bitch who pouts because Humans aren't sending him Hallmark thank you cards.

Batman is even more paranoid and less sane than normal to the point of dispassionately murdering low level crooks without a glimpse humanity or an idea of what the character is actually about. So much so that you could very easily swap him out with Punisher and no one would notice.

And Lois Lane is a flat out annoying plot vehicle like she was in the first film.

WHERE do you see the Masterpiece?

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#45  Edited By krisbishop  Moderator

@DeathandGrim2 said:

Because it was terrible. Just because some plot points were filled in doesn't mean the plot wasn't muddled, mundane, and miserable.

Superman and Batman have no damn character.

Superman is a broody bitch who pouts because Humans aren't sending him Hallmark thank you cards.

Batman is even more paranoid and less sane than normal to the point of dispassionately murdering low level crooks without a glimpse humanity or an idea of what the character is actually about. So much so that you could very easily swap him out with Punisher and no one would notice.

And Lois Lane is a flat out annoying plot vehicle like she was in the first film.

WHERE do you see the Masterpiece?

How did Superman and Batman have no character? They have more character than most superhero movies these days.

Superman wasn't brooding because humans weren't "sending him Hallmark thank you cards", but it was because humans were actually putting blame on him when things went haywire. Almost MCU Civil War style. He tries so hard but it never seems enough. And then there's Lex who schemed to drive the humans and him even further apart.

Batman has been crime fighting for so many years, he's seen the worst of humanity. He's even had his own Robin killed and he hangs up his uniform to remind himself of that. Like he said, after 20 years in Gotham, he's fallen so deep that he's become so extreme and vengeful. Yes, basically Punisher style, what's wrong with that? That's exactly what they want to portray. He wants to kill Superman because he doesn't believe in goodness anymore. And once again, Lex's schemes made it even worse.

It wasn't until the infamous Martha scene where Batman finally got reminded of his parents when Clark pleaded for his mother's life, where he "awakened" from years of brooding and hate, and remembered why he started crime-fighting. At that point it also humanized Clark as a man who wanted to save his mum. He didn't spare Clark because "their mums had the same name". You didn't mention that but I'm guessing you're one of those people anyway.

Of course in the end Superman pushes through once more and sacrifices himself, reigniting the hope in the world, and at the same time restored Batman's faith in humanity.

Lois Lane was an investigative journalist with a strong desire to expose the truth. Nothing she did was "plot vehicle". And the plot does have to unravel around someone's actions. Do you expect Superman and Batman to do their own things and the truth magically comes to light on its own?

Did you even watch the correct movie? Or did you sit there with popcorn and had Rotten Tomatoes goggles on?

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Because the movie was mediocre.

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Bacause it isn't.

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