Why is to so??
Why is DBZ so much inconsistent ??
@xlr87t3 said:
@alcoholbob: It is far more reasonable that Adult Goku can pick up an object the size of a mountain, considering the fact that Kid Goku lifted a rock that, based on its size, could easily be 700+ tons. Is Kid Goku stronger than his adult self? Of course not.
Was that rock really 700 tons? Did he actually pick it up? Nope, he pushed it.
Vegeta trains under 300 times gravity which makes him weigh 18 tons, and that is excrutiating. So, base Goku failing 40 tons yet SSJ1 Goku making it seem like nothing makes sense.
But Dragon Ball has never been about heavy lifting. It's always maximing control and damage output.
I don't think Dragon Ball is so much inconsistent as it is vague. There are a few things that are a bit more concrete than "he's faster/stronger than the other guy who is faster/stronger than the other other guy etc" (and, interestingly enough, they're mostly found in Dragon Ball).
I think if we ignore the whole "Goku vs. Superman" hooplah and just enjoy DBZ for what it is, life would be just so much better.
@marksand65 said:
@frozen: @frozen: @hart7668: the manga is mistranslated
Well, many don't consider GT canon. Do you consider it canon? it was ok by the guy that made it it is a side story not the main one
I actually think the DC powerhouses are more inconsistent.
Opinion.
I'm not a marvel DC hater or fan and I don't know much about them
No offense,but I can tell that you don't know a lot about them.
I guess I've read more japanese manga than american comics, but I've idolized the batman 1990s animated series as a child and ive watched superman, batman, x-men, captain america, etc tv shows, read superman, x-men comics, and watched all the marvel movies, and until now I thought that they were pretty weak compared to manga characters, but in the battles forum marvel characters all seem to have godly powers and powers that make them nearly invincible.
Not all of them. It depends on who you're talking about and who you put them against. Characters that have been around for 20 years,at the least,will naturally progress and have a lot of feats.
Why are the plots so inconsistent and why do characters get revived?
This is rare. Some characters are revived,sometimes,by plot. Or it turns out that they weren't really dead.
Regarding the plot,that is also rare. If Scott Lobdell or Rob Liefeld is writing,you have a point,but most of the time,as in 99% of the time,the plot is consistent. It's called PIS. There's a reason that it's looked down upon....because PIS is non-consistent with the way that they are usually portrayed.
The exact same can be said of manga,and even despite being written by the same person.
Why does the artwork change so frequently?
The same artist cannot work on the same book for all of their life,ya know. Give others a shot at the character.
And besides,what does it matter? It's part of business.
Why does a character suddenly get a power boost for no reason?
99% of characters don't get a power boost "for no reason". There is a reason to it most of the time. It depends on the story,and is usually explained. Most of the time,it's gradual increase.
Ive read a few posts on the battle form and from this i learned from marvel fans that these characters rape goku, vegeta, and buu (who can teleport, fly, can a destory planet in seconds)
odin- apparently is a multi-galaxy buster
Odin is a god and a skyfather. That's like putting God up against Superman,
thor- has planet busting duraility, time travel, can destroy planets with brute strength, can throw people out of the solar system, FTL, can traverse dimensions, survive in a vaccum
That's debatable,and it's only a part of Thor's power. When written correctly,he can stomp Goku,and arguably beat Superman. Superman can also arguably beat both of them (seperately),as well.
"Thor has not only taken on planet-busters, but stood his ground against a universe-wiper (Surtur). And btw, Eric after getting used to the powers a bit, and getting pissed off. KO'd Gladiator, a guy who can crush a star between his arms and smash planets with his fists and travel across galaxies in minutes,.Thor can absorb any attack Vegeta throws at him, port Vegeta to another dimension, transmute him into garbage, crush his skull with a single blow" -Reikai
Read more Thor comics.
captain america- " Cap Marvel is FTL. He flies across the cosmos. you don't get anywhere if you're not FTL. Quasar proved this when he dumped Starman a lightyear from the sun and said along the lines if "If you can move at the speed of light I'll see you in a year!"
Wtf? Captain America and Captain Marvel are NOT the same person. They don't even have the same name. Captain Marvel is the magical equivalent of Superman. They aren't even in the same company......I don't think you know a lot about these characters.
silver surfer- " He's faster than they could ever hope to be, he can transmute them at will, siphon/absorb all of their ki and make them powerless, ignite stars and super nova and open up black holes. He cross a lightyear in an instant. Think about that. A lightyear is the distance light travels in a year (365 days). That would be 5,865,696,000,000miles. Lightspeed is roughly 186,000mi/s. That would mean the Surfer was moving at a rate of 31,536,000xLightspeed"
Again,Silver Surfer is a guy that got his power from Galactus. He's practically a god. He's a herald-level character. He can easily stomp the likes of Goku. This is NOT a fair matchup.
hulk- lifted a mountain? and is also indestructible?
Hulk has done feats FAR more impressive than lifting mountains. And he's not really indestructible,that's just an adjective in front of his book. Like Amazing Spider-man
flash-so fast that multiple images occur, and can trap people in dimensions(speed force)
Flash is recognized as one of the most powerful people in comics. He would kill Goku before Goku could even register that a fight started. This is not a fair battle. This is like putting Silver Surfer up against a cop. He can also do WAY more than that.
juggernaut- indestructibe, unlimited stamina, forcefield, doesnt need to breathe . " Juggernaut may not be "fast" but he has quick enough reflexes to hit people that can go toe to toe with lightspeed characters. For instance, Juggernaut has beaten the crap out of Thor many times, and Thor has fought successfully with characters like Gladiator who can go lightspeed. "- some dude in the battle forum
Again,Juggernaut is one of those developed characters that can do A LOT more than that.
superman- much much faster than the speed of light . his sneeze can destroy a solar system... and he can lift 200quintillion tons...
Superman cannot sneeze away galaxies. That was ONE instance from more than 50 years ago that was retconned out. He can fly WAY faster than that,and he is stronger than that. Ask @allstarsuperman He knows more about Superman than I do.
dont these abilities mean that they are invincible? how do the lose or how does their opponenets not get raped in seconds? Logically their opponents should be raped in seconds, but the last time i checked dc/marvel battles arent very one sided and their opponents they all end up putting a decent fight
Again,this depends on who you put them up against. Spider-man can stomp Captain America,but put Spider-man up against,let's say,Hulk,and it's a different story. Also,their villains have powers/abilities that are equal or greater to their own. OR they have abilities that allow them to fight the heroes. For example,Captain Cold (flash villain) can turn the entire environment absolute zero,which means that it would be nigh-impossible for Flash to move.
Now when I read x-men comic books watched the tv shows and movies theese heroes did have super powers but not as nearly as strong as these
Um.TV portrayals have nothing to do with comics. And TV portrayals are usually weaker.
ex) I knew the hulk was strong enough to easily throw around cars and tanks but to lift a mountain? really? when did he get the power boost?
Hulk has always been that strong. So have many of these characters.
and how the heck do heroes like these battle with the upper mentioned characters and put up a good fight
spider man - come on.... compare his physical endurance and speed with dbz characters
Spider-man is border street level. He is NOT DBZ level or even city buster level. It's called an unfair matchup. On here,it's called Spite
ironman - hes even weaker than frieza... no wait frieza is a planet buster while iron man is a city buster
Correct. Again,it's called spite.
wonder woman -how can thor beat goku and vegeta when hes gets owned by spiderman......
It's called PIS.As in,it's not how they are usually portrayed. And wtf does Wonder Woman have to do with Thor? Do you even know about the characters you're talking about? You should REALLY pick up more comics.
and when these heroes get punched by jugg, hulk, thor, or the hulk shouldnt their bones be fractured to the point where they cant fight?
Depends on who you're talking about. It also depends on consistency. What I mean by that is,how often do they get hit by these people or people on THIS level and survive? Thor can get hit by Hulk and survive. However,the same cannot be said for someone like Professor X
and if those characters have enough physical strength to kill goku, buu why cant they one hit other enemy heroes?
1. IT DEPENDS ON WHO THEY ARE UP AGAINST!! EX,GLADIATOR=/=Captain America in terms of ANYTHING physically.
2.They're called MORALS. As in,Spider-man is not going to hit an average thug with the same force he uses on Venom. They are usually not out to kill.
3. Some enemies can take the punches. Some can even laugh them off.
How can thor beat dbz characters when he gets raped by spiderman? O and i thought he was FTL and could time travel
1. Time traveling has NOTHING to do with combat speed. He time travels by opening portals.
2. Travel speed has NOTHING do with combat speed. As in,flying faster than light is not the same as,let's say,reacting at FTL.
3. That Spider-man showing is called PIS. Thor should be able to kill Spider-man if he wanted to,although Spider-sense might make it a bit hard at first.
By marvel/dc logic The Flash should be the strongest character in the anime/manga/comic universe since he travels the fastest and can trap people in dimensions right?
Not the strongest. For example,Spectre,TOAA,GOD,THE PRESENCE,Galactus,and hundreds of other characters are more powerful than him. And he doesn't trap people in the speed force every day.
or the silver surfer
Again,not the strongest. He wants to save/protect worlds,not destroy or kill.
silver surfer- " He's faster than they could ever hope to be, he can transmute them at will, siphon/absorb all of their ki and make them powerless, ignite stars and super nova and open up black holes. He cross a lightyear in an instant. Think about that. A lightyear is the distance light travels in a year (365 days). That would be 5,865,696,000,000miles. Lightspeed is roughly 186,000mi/s. That would mean the Surfer was moving at a rate of 31,536,000xLightspeed"
Didnd't the silver surfer get defeated by human made missiles or some shit?
1. Source? I want to know about this instance. I've never seen about it
realy? 200 quintillion tons lol and a sneeze that is strong enough to destory the solar system? ( as a kid i watched the animated series in which he struggled to even stop missiles...)
Animated series was a jobber. IT was also full of PIS. He could get defeated by Batman if the show demanded it. Comics ARE NOT the same with animated series. The portrayal in a TV show has nothing to do with the portrayal in a comic. You seem to not know about Superman.
and yet he sometimes tends to struggle defeating his enemies(even ones who dont have kryptonite)
Are you talking about people like H'el? Who is,btw,just as strong,if not,stronger than Superman? Has telepathy? Can teleport? And can do so much more? Who are you talking about? Give examples. Lastly,again,there is a thing called PIS. As in,inconsistency.
and he still cant one hit an enemy...
Superman has morals. He will not one-hit every freaking enemy he sees,especially when the situation can be resolved (if possible) by communication.
then the death battle?
Have you ever read a comic in your life? I know I keep saying this,and I'm not trying to be mean,but Death Battle has NOTHING to do with comics/anime. Death battle is a fanmade thing and it's only an opinion.
I liked Marvel and DC animations and films because the character designs and plot were entertaining and their abilities were cool and easy to undertsand but the comics have too many words, confusing inconsistent plot, and weird abilities . .
It's better in comics. In comics,it's also easy to understand,but you're basing your entire knowledge on comics on things like Death Battle,which has nothing to do with comics,or things that happened 50+ years ago. Put simply,it's like you don't even read comics. It's like you just walked into a battle forum and that is what you're basing your knowledge on.
ex: igniting stars and super nova and opening up black holes, crossing a lightyear in an instant. a sneeze destroying a solar system and the Surfer moving at a rate of 31,536,000xLightspeed... its too complicated and doesnt make much sense.
Yet the things Goku does is just completely plausible.
It depends on which characters you're are talking about friend. If we're talking about Gods or people with Godlike abilities,then yes,they can do many,if not,all of these things. Destroying a solar system with a sneeze is no longer canon,and can you show me where Silver Surfer EVER moved that fast? Even if he did,you do know that he's a herald,right? As in,he is NOT Batman-level. You're saying it doesn't make sense,but for some of these,you don't even get the characters right.
This is captain america
This is Captain marvel,no
w called Shazam.
I like japanese manga and comics more because the characters have cool, unique, powerful, abilities which are also easy to understand...
They are easy to understand. It's just that you don't really.....know much to anything about them. TV shows and movies ARE a good introduction to them,but the comics are more powerful,especially being that they are the ones that the TV is based off of.
l also like xmen and batman
Sorry if I seem hostile,it's just that I am a bit frustrated. To put simply:
- You aren't really familiar with the comics...at all. How can you call them confusing when you don't read them? You're just randomly pulling up facts,some of them are from things that AREN'T even CANON (like Death Battle),or they have been retconned a LONG time ago (Superman sneezing away planets). Most everything else you said is just taken out of context. And for many of those things you stated,they have ALWAYS been in-line with the characters. Put simply:
READ.THE.COMICS.
Lastly,yes,a lot of the characters you listed (sans Spider-man and Captain America) can beat Goku. Captain Marvel/Shazam can. And there are tons of others,like Gladiator,Superman,etc that arguably can. Hell,I even give Power Girl a shot.
Let me put it this way,Arkham city Batman couldn't even dodge a bullet. Comic Batman can do it with his eyes closed. Does that mean that the comics are consistent?? No. That wouldn't even make any sense.
You're basing your knowledge on comics on:
-Out of context feats,some of them aren't even canon anymore.
-TV shows,which are a good intro,but only a shadow of what the characters are capable of.
-Things made by fans on youtube,which are not even affiliated with comics.
Basically put,you're basing your knowledge of comics on everything BUT comics,and then saying that it's "inconsistent" or that they have " a sudden power increase",or you ask questions that don't even take the morals into account,like why doesn't Superman one-punch every enemy. Come on,now. He's not going to hit a crook with the same hit he uses on Doomsday.
Long story short,read the comics,mate :)
Everything will make sense when you base the comic book characters,on,you know....the comics :)
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