Why does Peter Parker seem to be wayyy more sad about the death of Uncle Ben than his own parents' death?

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I mean , it fine that Uncle Ben and aunt may took him in and cared for him, but shouldn't you naturally feel more closer to your dead parents ? shouldn't you miss then more ?

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Because he could've prevented his death and his failure to do so was the perfect example of what could happen if he ignored the advice his uncle gave him.

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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#4  Edited By Avenging-X-Bolt

Ben raised him. He also feels responsible for Bens death.

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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@rogueshadow said:

Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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Peter never knew his parents. They're virtually strangers to him. It's not surprising that he loves Ben more, but the real factor that multiplied his despair by orders of magnitude was the fact that Ben's death was completely his own fault.

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@captain_batman_ftw said:
@rogueshadow said:

Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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Batman needs to take some notes from Peter lol.

Still haunted by his parents death while peter has already accepted it.

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Batman needs to take some notes from Peter lol.

Still haunted by his parents death while peter has already accepted it.

That's not really comparable. Bruce saw his parents killed right in front of them. Peter was too young to remember his parents when they died and never even knew that they were murdered until several years later.

In fact both are still haunted. Bruce is still haunted by his parents' deaths because he was helpless to do anything and Peter is still haunted by his uncle's death because there was something he could have done to prevent it but didn't. That defines both of them, with Batman never letting himself be helpless ever again and Spider-Man never ignoring any who might need help.

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@passingthroughv2 said:
@captain_batman_ftw said:
@rogueshadow said:

Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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Dumb question.

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Batman needs to take some notes from Peter lol.

Still haunted by his parents death while peter has already accepted it.

Lol

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@aros001:

I was talking more about uncle Ben

And I'm just saying That Ben's death did mold Peter however I wouldn't say it haunts him. Peter is still lively and still a happy go lucky personality. Batman I s always serious always stressed always Dark... because of his parents death.

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Because a parent is much more then being made from them, is the fact that they take care of you, show love, and help with your journeys. Ben is more of a father then his real parents who was never with them to begin with.

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#16  Edited By Aros001

@aros001:

I was talking more about uncle Ben

And I'm just saying That Ben's death did mold Peter however I wouldn't say it haunts him. Peter is still lively and still a happy go lucky personality. Batman I s always serious always stressed always Dark... because of his parents death.

I suppose age could be a factor in this. Uncle Ben died when Peter was a teenager while the Waynes died when Bruce was 8, so Bruce's world was shaped by tragedy at a much younger age. Not to mention it has been stated many times before that one of the reasons Spider-Man is always wisecracking is to hide how nervous or scared he can get or at least to distract himself from his nervousness or fears. So both characters have issues and I think it's completely relative how well either has dealt with them.

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He doesn't know his parents. If I grew up raised by two individuals who were related to me, but didn't know my parents I'd be more sad over their deaths than my biological parents.

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@fat_hobo389: Not really a matter of being familiar with comics, more of a asking dumb questions problem here.

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Because he could've prevented his death and his failure to do so was the perfect example of what could happen if he ignored the advice his uncle gave him.

This. But also, he knew him better.

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@dsb: Because it was his lack of doing something that got his Uncle killed, plus his Uncle and Aunt raised him.

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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Okay i think i got my answer . Can this thread be locked now please ?

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#26  Edited By ArranVid

@aros001: Batman should just get over it. My mum faced a more traumatic situation than Batsy. Btw a weirdo touched my cousin when she was way younger than Bruce was (when his parents got murdered) and she's fine now and she's a happier person than Bruce. I bet if that weirdo touched Bruce when he was young, Bruce would be such a crybaby about it and say as an adult "waa waa this event has made me darker and lonelier waa waa" instead of getting over it.

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@arranvid: What makes you say Batman is a crybaby ? He just used the sadness over his parent's death as motivation to fight crime so that another kid doesnt lose his parents like he did.

Also you know what makes Bruce stronger ? Peter still has Aunt May , has a girlfriend and has some friends

Bruce has got NOTHING . He was alone from the day his parents died .

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@passingthroughv2 said:
@captain_batman_ftw said:
@rogueshadow said:

Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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@arranvid said:

@aros001: Batman should just get over it. My mum faced a more traumatic situation than Batsy. Btw a weirdo touched my cousin when she was way younger than Bruce was (when his parents got murdered) and she's fine now and she's a happier person than Bruce. I bet if that weirdo touched Bruce when he was young, Bruce would be such a crybaby about it and say as an adult "waa waa this event has made me darker and lonelier waa waa" instead of getting over it.

@aros001:

I was talking more about uncle Ben

And I'm just saying That Ben's death did mold Peter however I wouldn't say it haunts him. Peter is still lively and still a happy go lucky personality. Batman I s always serious always stressed always Dark... because of his parents death.

You guys should read a Batman comic book first before commenting, Bruce is neither unhappy nor lonely.

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@dsb: No he doesn't have nothing, my friend! He has Alfred, tonnes of money, fame, women that want to marry him, sidekicks and so much more. He should stop acting all dark and mysterious...he says there's a reason for him to be gloomy but there isn't imo. There are comic book characters that have had it WAY worse than Bruce did when they were kids yet they're less darker.

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@rustyroy: Please enlighten me more about Bruce then. Ok he may not be unhappy but he does say often that he likes to work alone. His personality reminds me of the personalities of Vegeta, Kai, Seto Kaiba. I know the BvsS movie perhaps doesn't represent the core comics well, but as soon as Superman mentions a name that Batman's mom and Superman's mom share, Bruce gets into Mr. Angrypants mode for no reason since his mom died years ago and he should've got over it by now. Really Bruce? the name "Martha" gets you so triggered??

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@dsb: There is a version where Mary Jane Watson also dies but Peter Parker still goes along with it.

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@arranvid said:

@rustyroy: Please enlighten me more about Bruce then. Ok he may not be unhappy but he does say often that he likes to work alone. His personality reminds me of the personalities of Vegeta, Kai, Seto Kaiba. I know the BvsS movie perhaps doesn't represent the core comics well, but as soon as Superman mentions a name that Batman's mom and Superman's mom share, Bruce gets into Mr. Angrypants mode for no reason since his mom died years ago and he should've got over it by now. Really Bruce? the name "Martha" gets you so triggered??

I guessed you're only knowledge of Batman was from movies, seems I was right. Now let me enlighten you, Batman probably has the most number of allies in DC such as JL, BoP, Batman Inc. and many other groups and characters, Batfamily is probably the biggest family in DC, he's part of two of the most popular duo team, Batman and Robin, Batman and Superman so yeah he's not a loner and I don't remember him saying he likes to work alone even once.

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@dsb: 1. Wolverine (also he's less gloomier than B.Wayne is)

2. Magneto (also he's less gloomier than B.Wayne is)

3. (non-fictional) Raymond Robinson aka The Green Man

4. Guts from 'Beserk' (still is less gloomier than Batman is)

5. Jamal Malik from Slumdog Millionaire (parents are killed in front of his eyes, gangs try to use him when he's a kid etc)

6. Salim Malik from Slumdog Millionaire (parents are killed in front of his eyes, gangs try to use him when he's a kid etc)

7. Arvind from Slumdog Millionaire (a gang leader is happy with how beautifully he sings and proceeds to blind him when he's a kid so that he can earn more money as a blind singing person. Is forever blind begging on streets from then on. Was a clever and able boy before he became blind)

8. Mikasa Ackerman from Attack on Titan (not only watches her parents being killed in front of her eyes like Bruce Wayne but also murders a man herself in order to survive and she's still less gloomier than B.Wayne)

9. Eric Brothers from Fullmetal Alchemist (the brothers grow up by themselves and have to sacrifice their bodies in an attempt to save their dead mum. While Edward loses his left leg and right arm, his brother loses his entire body and from that day on his soul has to rest in a suit of armour. They're on a quest to find the Philosopher's stone to give them back their original bodies. They're less gloomier than B.Wayne)

10. Lucy from Elfen Lied (she's a human experiment and she grew up without parents and is despised by children her own age. She has a split personality. She is forced to brutally murder others in order to survive and yet she's less gloomy than B.Wayne)

I thought Disney's Tarzan had it bad as a child but after seeing part of the film again he was actually a happy baby even though his parents had died (reason is probably because he didn't realize that his parents had been killed by Sabor the leopard moments before)

Yeah a lot of these mentioned aren't comic book characters but I just put characters from different formats. If I find more I'll put it down here.

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God, there should be a law stopping peole whose never read Batman comics from talking about him.

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#37  Edited By ArranVid

@rustyroy: Well I think I remember Bruce saying that he works alone from the heavily bashed film Batman & Robin (starring George Clooney) but some other people seem to think the same as I do, they've made these images:

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I have read some Batman comics (about 5 perhaps) when I was about 13 but you'll have a better knowledge than me about Batman. Thank you for enlightening me more about Batman. Yes I'm not sure whether he likes to work alone but I do remember him saying to Robin "I work alone" in the heavily criticized film. Yes I don't remember him saying that in the comics. One comic I remember did seem to portray him as a loner. The Justice League were working together but Batman went in a sewer and I think he was the only one working alone. He fought a creature there and when I saw that it was very cool, he hid in a place and then kicked the creature or something and won the fight.

You said this "Batman probably has the most number of allies in DC such as JL, BoP, Batman Inc. and many other groups and characters, Batfamily is probably the biggest family in DC, he's part of two of the most popular duo team, Batman and Robin, Batman and Superman" and I agree with you and I know you're right there.

Here are some links of people asking about why batman prefers to work alone (if he does prefer to work alone):

https://greymeter.com/forum/why-does-batman-prefer-to-work-alone

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-batman-prefer-to-work-alone

Someone from Quora even thinks that Batman is a "lone wolf". Well many people on greymeter are saying that Batman prefers to work alone and there are people also calling him a lone wolf there too.

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@passingthroughv2 said:
@captain_batman_ftw said:
@rogueshadow said:

Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

Peter never knew his parents. They're virtually strangers to him. It's not surprising that he loves Ben more, but the real factor that multiplied his despair by orders of magnitude was the fact that Ben's death was completely his own fault.

@jgames said:

Because a parent is much more then being made from them, is the fact that they take care of you, show love, and help with your journeys. Ben is more of a father then his real parents who was never with them to begin with.

These^... His Uncle and Aunt were the real MVPs.

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Uncle Ben was practically the father figure that Peter never had.

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Ben raised him. He also feels responsible for Bens death.

This.

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Peter should grow up and learn to move past the past to find his own sense of purpose.

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@arranvid said:

@rustyroy: Well I think I remember Bruce saying that he works alone from the heavily bashed film Batman & Robin (starring George Clooney) but some other people seem to think the same as I do, they've made these images:

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I have read some Batman comics (about 5 perhaps) when I was about 13 but you'll have a better knowledge than me about Batman. Thank you for enlightening me more about Batman. Yes I'm not sure whether he likes to work alone but I do remember him saying to Robin "I work alone" in the heavily criticized film. Yes I don't remember him saying that in the comics. One comic I remember did seem to portray him as a loner. The Justice League were working together but Batman went in a sewer and I think he was the only one working alone. He fought a creature there and when I saw that it was very cool, he hid in a place and then kicked the creature or something and won the fight.

You said this "Batman probably has the most number of allies in DC such as JL, BoP, Batman Inc. and many other groups and characters, Batfamily is probably the biggest family in DC, he's part of two of the most popular duo team, Batman and Robin, Batman and Superman" and I agree with you and I know you're right there.

Here are some links of people asking about why batman prefers to work alone (if he does prefer to work alone):

https://greymeter.com/forum/why-does-batman-prefer-to-work-alone

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-batman-prefer-to-work-alone

Someone from Quora even thinks that Batman is a "lone wolf". Well many people on greymeter are saying that Batman prefers to work alone and there are people also calling him a lone wolf there too.

Batman and Robin was heavily bashed for a reason, nobody takes that movie seriously and iirc even in Batman and Robin, Batman didn't say he works alone, he said he understands now that why Superman likes to work alone. As for the comic, not all members are available all the time for League missions including Superman, Flash and WW. After Batman RIP Batman was barely alive but he still went to help the League. Don't base you're opinion only on movies otherwise you'll see memes and comments about Spider-Man where he's called a emo or crybaby all the time.

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@aros001:

I was talking more about uncle Ben

And I'm just saying That Ben's death did mold Peter however I wouldn't say it haunts him. Peter is still lively and still a happy go lucky personality. Batman I s always serious always stressed always Dark... because of his parents death.

no, peter is still haunted by his uncle's death. that's why he has this 'everything is my fault' attitude. that's why he has that responsibility hangup.

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Peter never knew nick wasn't going to finish this CAV. Nick CAVs are virtually strangers to him. It's not surprising that he loves Jashro more, but the real factor that multiplied his despair by orders of magnitude was the fact that death of this CAV was completely his own fault.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cav-spider-man-jashro44-vs-ultimate-captain-americ-1814820/#131

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

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He knew Ben longer than his parents

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Why wouldn't he be? He was raised by Ben since infancy. For all intents and purposes, Ben is his father and May his mother, he's obviously not going to feel as sad about people he can barely remember, even ignoring the fact that he feels shame over Ben's death.

Peter never knew his parents. They're virtually strangers to him. It's not surprising that he loves Ben more, but the real factor that multiplied his despair by orders of magnitude was the fact that Ben's death was completely his own fault.

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