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#1 Posted by solar_nerd (552 posts) - - Show Bio
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The new "Star Wars" trilogy isn't as great as the original.

However, as far as movies go, they're still great in my opinion, even if they possess a ton of plot similarities to the original trilogy. However, a ton of so-called "fans" are constantly bashing the current Star Wars movies for reasons that I find stupid, and even bullying the actors off of social media. I feel like they're just making the fanbase toxic to those outside of it.

So, if you're such a "fan" of Star Wars, why do you hate the new movies so much? What's to dislike about them?

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#2 Edited by BrokenOverlord (374 posts) - - Show Bio

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I hated them without giving them a chance, but then I watched them and enjoyed them, I still hate what they did to Luke though, that's just unforgivable.

To answer your question, mostly things that are getting white guys hysterical these days, apparent feminism, minorities taking center stage, that kinda stuff.

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#3 Posted by grappolo (2591 posts) - - Show Bio

The Last Jedi, nuff said.

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#4 Posted by Yassassin (7066 posts) - - Show Bio

They're pretty soulless.

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#5 Edited by Wolfrazer (15666 posts) - - Show Bio

TFA I didn't really hate, it was just....meh? Kinda the same as ANH, only I wasn't too engaged with the characters. Also going back to square 1 again is always a problem.

Now TLJ, yeah I dislike it. The majority of it is just a slow chase scene in space when truthfully a chase scene shouldn't even have happened, the subplot with the hacker was pointless in the end, Snoke died before we get anything about him other than he's a bad dude. Visually it is nice though, the hyperspace scene looked great, even though it causes problems itself. The thing between Finn & Rose was just...no, just no...no, no, no, no. Leia flying in space was...................yeah.

Episode 9 doesn't really have much to go on as far as new stuff is concerned, other than...I guess introducing the Knights of Ren if they're still around that is.

The ST doesn't seem to have direction frankly and I'm pretty sure that has been admitted more than once so....no outlying plan for a trilogy is kinda a bad thing.

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#6 Posted by Outside_85 (22584 posts) - - Show Bio

They suck?

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#7 Posted by FangDaNerd (1316 posts) - - Show Bio

Because opinions?

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#8 Posted by solar_nerd (552 posts) - - Show Bio

I hated them without giving them a chance, but then I watched them and enjoyed them, I still hate what they did to Luke though, that's just unforgivable.

To answer your question, mostly things that are getting white guys hysterical these days, apparent feminism, minorities taking center stage, that kinda stuff.

Yeah. Ignore the toxic fanbase.

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#9 Posted by solar_nerd (552 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: LOL what sucks so much about them? Also, this is coming from a guy with Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor as his profile pic.

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#10 Posted by Magian (149241 posts) - - Show Bio

TFA was passable but TLJ simply wasn't a good movie.

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#11 Edited by godzilla44 (6719 posts) - - Show Bio

TFA I liked but TLJ just basically took a nice sh!t on the originals and clearly had no place being in the SW universe.

Rouge one was okay at best, it was and enjoyable but their was no need for the movie.

Solo I had hopes after the first trailer but it was a complete letdown, who would've thought that a movie about Han Solo would be so boring.

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#12 Posted by xZone (4792 posts) - - Show Bio

Because they sucked...

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#13 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (8587 posts) - - Show Bio

Butthurt is the only answer

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#14 Posted by BrokenOverlord (374 posts) - - Show Bio

@solar_nerd: There's also those who are pissed that the new trilogy pretty much erased the Expanded Universe from cannon. There was was a lot shit in there sure, but there was a lot good stuff too.

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#15 Posted by Outside_85 (22584 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: LOL what sucks so much about them? Also, this is coming from a guy with Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor as his profile pic.

And your Vader stand in is an emo-fanboy. Your Tarkin is a shouty ginger. And your emperor is a deformed freak who's already dead. Yes, do tell me all about how the continued adventures are any better than the prequels.

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#17 Posted by ZubatCarteira (569 posts) - - Show Bio

Star Wars fans are a whiny bunch.

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#18 Posted by SanoHibiki (3276 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably because they deserve all that hate and some more...

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#19 Posted by Billy Batson (60563 posts) - - Show Bio

They grew out of Star Wars

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#20 Posted by WhyZoSerious (1122 posts) - - Show Bio

1) they suck

2) the saga is beyond its time.

3) the actors were remarkable shit

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#21 Posted by Dragonborn_CT (26372 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't get enough hate if you ask me.

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#22 Posted by KingOfWakanda (1072 posts) - - Show Bio

They're fine. It's a few vocal fans who are taking what are essentially kid's movies too seriously. They'll whine and complain and come right back for more.

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#23 Posted by TDK_1997 (18113 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe they finally understood that Star Wars was never good? LOL

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#24 Edited by Mike_Fowler (4658 posts) - - Show Bio

Combination of a toxic as hell fan base that makes comic book fans look like sophisticated gentlemen, and the movies pissing them off in all the right areas

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#25 Posted by FaradaySloth (3236 posts) - - Show Bio

Because they’re bad movies who crap over on a legendary and groundbreaking franchise

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#26 Edited by Gaoron (6400 posts) - - Show Bio

TFA is just a new hope remaster with worse protagonist and worse antagonists, not bad, not good, just meh. It was a decent opener to new trilogy that showcased a lot of fun plot points...

...only for TLJ to completely shit on them and make a whole movie out of 10 minutes max sequence that shouldn't have happened to begin with. It felt like filler with a casino sub plot being a filler inside a filler. Nothing was explained about Rey, she remained a boring mary sue. Antagonists are not existent, the only one who felt like a threat got comic reliefed before doing anything. Action scenes were weak and ones we didn't want to see, comedy was cringy and out of place, destruction of characters we liked for no reason, addition of new characters that sucked and we didn't cared about instead of focusing on already existent ones, plot that didn't make sense... uhh thanks for reminding me why this is the worst SW movie and one of the worst movies overall.

Rogue One was good, the only disney SW movie I enjoyed so there is that.

Didn't watch Solo and I really don't want to tbh.

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#27 Edited by ThunderPrince (6307 posts) - - Show Bio

@brokenoverlord said:

solar_nerd marked this as the best answer

I hated them without giving them a chance, but then I watched them and enjoyed them, I still hate what they did to Luke though, that's just unforgivable.

To answer your question, mostly things that are getting white guys hysterical these days, apparent feminism, minorities taking center stage, that kinda stuff.

I am a black male. I just do not like how the characters are written and how the movie destroys Luke's character. I also dislike Rey who is a Mary sue and Kylo who is a very terribly written villain.

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#28 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (5764 posts) - - Show Bio

Pointless, lack passion and substance, feel very hollow, horribly written side characters, the movies aren't really cohesive should have had one director for the trilogy TFA and TLJ jist seem to be totally different takes on the story

TLJ was shit only bad stars wars movie Disney made but I havent seen solo which I heard was also pretty bad

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#29 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (2048 posts) - - Show Bio
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#30 Posted by mrmonster (11205 posts) - - Show Bio

This video pretty much explains up why The Last Jedi was simply not a great movie.

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To pretty much sum up the video, The Last Jedi didn't know what it wanted to be. Either Rian Johnson, the studio, or both couldn't decide if they wanted a fun action comedy a la Guardians of the Galaxy or Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, or if they wanted a dark fantasy story a la the preexisting Star Wars movies, and the end result is a hybrid that works as neither. The movie tried to be gritty and emotional, but kept interrupting the most emotional moments with unnecessary and downright off-putting humor.

This can never happen again. If Disney wants to continue with Star Wars, they need to make a firm decision on whether they want to make dark fantasy stories or action comedies. I certainly hope they chose the former, but even if they decide on the latter, it's better than deciding both of the above.

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#31 Posted by BrokenOverlord (374 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by StormKing1221 (1571 posts) - - Show Bio

A movie can be objectively bad annnd that's what The Last Jedi was

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#33 Edited by Devilmenworks (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Sigh... OP, If you do a little research you can find numerous threads speaking on reasons why there is so much hate on the current Star Wars movies.

This is from a post 10 months ago. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/revenge-of-the-sith-vs-the-last-jedi-1916298/

One of the main reasons that I was disappointed about the Last Jedi is that I half expected them to explore Snoke's history and if he and Luke even knew each other. They didn't even interact within the movie or show them interacting in a flashback. Then I was surprised at how Snoke was killed so easily, granted it was a sneak attack but as powerful and force sensitive as he was, I felt he still should have sensed what his apprentice was doing. I couldn't picture Palpatine being killed so easily and Snoke seemed to be more powerful than him.- Devilmenworks

And this as well. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/is-kylo-ren-a-good-antagonist-1917262/

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Not really. There is no sense of danger with him, and that goes back to him losing to Rey in episode 7. And before anyone starts bringing up the technicalities of said loss, he still loss, and that creates a perception of weakness to the audience who should view him as a threat. Look at other villains. In the Original trilogy, there was always a sense of danger whenever Vader was on screen, same with other series like Game of thrones with the Night King and Ramsay Bolton, or Negan in the Walking Dead. Having Kylo lose to Rey and then be emasculated by Snoke makes him come across as someone trying and failing to be a villain, but they're not cut out for the job. But to the writers' credit, I'm pretty sure that intentional.

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I like him as a character but as a antagonist? Hell no. He is a joke and worst villain in SW movies... maybe besides Snoke lol

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He has far too many negative things going for him to be considered a good villain.

  • First of all, he is crippled right out of the gate by trying to play up to one of the greatest movie villains of all time as his pseudo-successor.
  • Secondly, he makes it even worse by initially not even trying to be himself... he wants to be Darth Vader, so he dresses up like him and even gets a voice modulator/breathing mask even if he doesn't need one.
  • Then you take his surroundings into account. Vader was at all time surrounded by people who acted like professional soldiers and commanders. Kylo has Hux, who sounds like a ridiculous nazi parrot and who lacks the calm detachment people like Grand Moff Tarkin had and the gonads to talk calmly to the man in black even when he's upset.
  • Presence. Very important for a guy who's a central bad guy, and again Vader owned any room he walked into, he entered, all eyes on him even if he didn't do anything at first. Kylo doesn't have that, quite often because he is just moving too fast. Also, when we first were introduced to Star Wars, nearly one of the first things we ever see is Darth Vader emerging from a smoking doorway with his ominous theme playing in the background after the fighting stops, we don't need anything more than seeing that, hearing his labored breathing and the horns in the background to know 'yeah, thats the bad guy' and then he strangles the captain of the ship and we know he is seriously scary. We are never needed to be told Vader is evil and scary, he's already proven that. Both new Star Wars movies have had to tell us repeatedly that Kylo is even more powerful and even scarier, according to people who have never actually seen him in person.
  • And that supposed fear factor is completely undermined when we get so many instances of seeing Kylo angrily lashing out at computers, elevators or sitting around moping or otherwise be on the verge of tears. When Kylo is upset, he lashes out and everyone else just gives him a wide berth while he works out his tantrum. When Vader got displeased at anything, as much as he ever did because he didn't show a wide range of emotions, it was usually some knucklehead 5 feet away from him that he simply force-choked.
  • It's also worth touching on that Kylo isn't really helped by his boss in any of this. Partially it's the name... Snoke, try and make that sound scary when it might as well belong to one of the muppets. Contrast this to Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious... first of all, in the original movies, he is never actually mentioned by name, it's 'Master' when it's Vader and it's 'Emperor' when it's everyone else. Secondly Snooke is a another case of trying too hard to be like the original movies by giving him this malformed appearance, like Sidious'... as if being a leading Sith or evil force user automatically means you get to look 80 years old and fall down a long flight of stairs on your face. (There is perhaps an in-canon reason for the looks elsewhere, but in the movies Sidious' appearance seemed to have more to do with him getting Force-lightninged than anything else).
  • Finally you have to measure him by his opponents. And while you'd think Kylo should sweep this because he is up against the established greats... like ruining Luke Skywalker, and make Han's and Leia's life miserable simply by being what he is. It just doesn't feel that way because those characters are on their way out, they are old and we are transitioning everything to characters like Rey, Finn and Poe... and Rey, Finn and Poe just don't have the same panache as Luke, Leia and Han did.
  • Emo-impact, plenty of emo elsewhere with Kylo, this is more about what kind of emotional devastation he can do to the heroes. I would argue he has already done all that he possibly could by killing his dad... but that doesn't live up to the old movies, because Han was a douche and we know right from the get go that Kylo is his kid. By contrast, again, we go through 2 movies, almost, thinking Luke was out for revenge against Vader and the evil Empire for killing both his father (described by most as a hero) and his uncle and aunt before Vader wipes him out with the truth. And Benny-boy just isn't going to measure up to that, not even if we find out Rey is his sister or something, that chance is gone.

All in all, Kylo could have been a decent antagonist if he was on his own, completely isolated. But he is a terrible one here, because of who he is trying to be and live up to.

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Personally I feel he would make a great anti-hero or even a grey Jedi. But as the main antagonist and head of the First Order, he's very underwhelming.

And this thread as well. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/i-watched-star-wars-tlj-and-i-cant-help-but-feel-i-1917204/

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@marvelanddcfan24 said:

Fin and Rose storyline was awful and Snoke being a throwaway character was stupid. Luke was also pathetic

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When Mark Hamill doesn't like it, then you know something's wrong

I felt disappointed as well. I was partially expecting a backstory of Snoke; a guy that can use the force galaxies away deserves a backstory. And for someone who is so in tuned with the force, he was killed to easily.

I didn't like Luke's portrayal as well. I can understand him being disappointed and feeling like a failure but I can't ever see him shutting himself off from the Force.

At one point in the movie, I thought Rey was going to turn to the dark side and Kylo go to the light side, but that didn't happen (which I didn't mind)

Also what happened to the other knights of Ren? They served under Snoke but there was no mention of them in the movie.

And I don't like Kylo Ren being the head sith/dark force user. He seems to inexperienced and not powerful enough to be the main bad guy for episode IX.- Devilmenworks

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#34 Posted by solar_nerd (552 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably because they deserve all that hate and some more...

So the actors deserve to be bullied off the internet? You suck.

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#35 Posted by Reactor (4164 posts) - - Show Bio

@solar_nerd: 1) Don't make personal attacks

2) I'm pretty sure they meant the movies deserved the hate (which is exactly what you asked), not the actors/actresses

On that note, I agree with those that dislike the sequel trilogy. When I saw the original movies, I fell in love with the franchise. When the prequels came, I was enthralled by the energy and choreography and special effects, even if the execution of some of the themes were rough, or at worst, ill-concieved (the OT had a lot of this too, but it was more forgivable)

When TFA came out, it felt like the magic was back, a mix of OT era storytelling with PT era diversity and energy. But then as time went on (many months in this case), I realized TFA had the "Marvel effect"; where after the hype and initial excitement of a movie ebbs away, you're left with a somewhat hollow-feeling feature that you end up not watching anymore.

To be honest, when TLJ started making news, I was supremely nervous. Extremely. And when the movie finally dropped, I left the theater more disappointed than I ever have before with a Star Wars film. Worse still, the more I thought about it, the more I gradually began to hate it. After a month, I actually realized I didn't want to see episode 9, and was done with Star Wars.

Now, will I see it? Perhaps. I said I was done with most CBMs, and avoided I IW, JL, Ragnarok, etc., but I did see Black Panther and Wonder Woman and enjoyed myself. So if the AUDIENCE REVIEWS are pretty stellar, I'll probably still see Episode 9. Otherwise yeah, TLJ killed my cinematic SW enjoyment

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#36 Posted by Kirkseven (1105 posts) - - Show Bio

Feminism

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#37 Posted by SanoHibiki (3276 posts) - - Show Bio

@solar_nerd:

Way to miss a mark.

You asked about movies - and I gave my opinion about movies. Actors have nothing to do with it.

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#38 Posted by Sungsam (1417 posts) - - Show Bio

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Feminism

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#39 Posted by Grinningf0x (1273 posts) - - Show Bio

I like the new Trilogy personally

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#40 Posted by Gorochu44 (168 posts) - - Show Bio

I've only seen The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi and I dislike them for some reasons and detest them for others.

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#41 Posted by Lil_Remains (906 posts) - - Show Bio

Reeeeeewe girls can’t use force Star Wars sucks

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#42 Posted by thatduderox (834 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a perfect storm really. The Star Wars fanbase has proven to be bar none the most toxic fanbase out right now, and seeing what DCEU and MCU fans are capable of, that's saying something.

The toxic fans who just hate everything does drown out the legitimate criticisms of these films that people have articulated. Rey is a Mary Sue, the characterization of Luke, glaring plot holes, plot points that were foreshadowed in a previous movie, only to be dropped in the following one. Not too mention power levels that are about as consistent as a Dragonball Super episode.

Like I previously mentioned, it's a perfect storm. Some fans were going to hate these films no matter what was put out, simply because it wasn't the Original Trilogy, a mindset that is crippling Star Wars from growing imo. But some fans being toxic doesn't negate some serious problems in the writing and issues going on behind the scenes.

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#43 Posted by Variant06 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

They like to bitch on new stuff

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#44 Posted by buttersdaman000 (22025 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like them because they're lazy cash grabs that unapologetically cash in on nostalgia and the audiences goodwill with Star Wars. The movies also feel like MCU movies with a Star Wars template. Seriously, multiple scenes in TLJ felt like it could be in any given MCU movie. That's not Star Wars.

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#46 Edited by ThePunisherFan (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like them because they're lazy cash grabs that unapologetically cash in on nostalgia and the audiences goodwill with Star Wars. The movies also feel like MCU movies with a Star Wars template. Seriously, multiple scenes in TLJ felt like it could be in any given MCU movie. That's not Star Wars.

Well Disney owns both so I can imagine them making an attempt to throw some similar scenes into each other to keep the audience comfortable.

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#47 Edited by buttersdaman000 (22025 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

I don't like them because they're lazy cash grabs that unapologetically cash in on nostalgia and the audiences goodwill with Star Wars. The movies also feel like MCU movies with a Star Wars template. Seriously, multiple scenes in TLJ felt like it could be in any given MCU movie. That's not Star Wars.

Well Disney owns both so I can imagine them making an attempt to throw some similar scenes into each other to keep the audience comfortable.

Yeah, that's a bad thing. To me, it just makes it obvious that they're going for the lowest common denominator, not making their movies with the intent on making them good or special, or even in line with the tone of the series itself, but with the intent of appealing to as many people as possible.

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#48 Edited by Amonfire1776 (2324 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally dislike most of the originally trilogy and love the prequels, so the Force Awakens was a completely unoriginal dumpster fire for me, the Last Jedi on the other hand was perfect because it purged the series of all the stuff I hated about the original trilogy and it had that philosophy of let go of the past which I appreciated.

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#49 Posted by Pipxeroth (8618 posts) - - Show Bio

Star Wars films have always been bad to mediocre at best.

Reeeeeewe girls can’t use force Star Wars sucks

Nobody says this.

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#50 Posted by Lil_Remains (906 posts) - - Show Bio