Why do people use mcu thanos not koing captain America as an anti feat

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Posted by JefferydeDucke (682 posts) 1 month, 10 days ago

Poll: Why do people use mcu thanos not koing captain America as an anti feat (45 votes)

They’re wrong 58%
Legit reason 42%

If he could break hulk’s nose in a punch but not kill cap America, it shouldn’t means he’s that weak but is holding back instead. Thoughts

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#51 Posted by CocaColaMan (1791 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he’s an MCU character that isn’t a SHIELD agent.

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#52 Posted by Joker567892 (799 posts) - - Show Bio
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#53 Posted by godzilla44 (7970 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.

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#54 Edited by rogueshadow (29601 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU scaling and power-levels have become an inconsistent and convoluted mess, that's all I know. It's fallen into the same trap as comics, different runs/writers are virtually different versions in many instances.

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#55 Posted by DreadBringer (125 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor said:

@jefferydeducke said:

why did thanos trap black widow with rocks instead of anything else?

Because the writers didn't want her dead so she could be in the sequel.

Thanos had no reason to be holding back. He was about to wipe out half the universe.

Yeah the reason of wiping half the universe? To preserve life in his own extreme ways (overpopulation crisis). When he got the chance to get more stones (with also killing Gamora giving him sympathy) he refrains from killing outside the snap. Power Stone can destroy whole planet (if you don't believe, search Eson destroys planet in GOTG), but he used it so that it only KOes human heroes like Okoye.

Viners focused so much on only feats that everything else is ignored (not related to this, but even when the fight is only spar between a significantly more powerful character against weaker one that aren't enemies, means the stronger one is holding back). This is for Thanos himself; Black Order also doing Thanos' job of getting stones (and are separated in Wakanda) but they aren't as powerful as Thanos with stones so they send Outrider armies to give a resistance to Wakandan army to get the stones.

If you're talking about Endgame one then "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". The power of Thor includes physical stats too, whenever you like it or not. Comic Mjolnir works the exact same way, like what it did to Jane Foster (which will be carried onto the MCU in Love and Thunder). The problem is MCU doesn't tell how long will they keep the enhancement (1 minute in comic), but we can assume that Cap hasn't kept away from the hammer for more than 1 minute during Thanos vs Thor and Cap gauntlet fight.

@gateofbabylon said:

@metaljimmor:

He was holding back because he wanted to refrain from killing anyone. He wanted the Snap to decide randomly. He's avoided killing anyone as much as possible through the film with few exceptions.

Can you provide evidence of such expression to support this conviction?

During the Avengers movie, it seems more like Thanos didn't really care who will die or survive the Chitauri invasion.

The evidence is that Thanos seldom used any of the fight-ending stones like Reality Stone (alter anything) or Soul Stone (probably take any soul) in Titan. He used Power Stone (can destroy planets at full potential in GOTG) in a way that it only KOed human heroes. Probably also the reason he broke the moon to pieces so it wouldn't kill any heroes but it would scatter them around. You underestimate how powerful each of the Infinity Stones can be at full potential.

@gateofbabylon said:
@metaljimmor said:
He wiped out half of the last Asgardians at the very start of the movie. Killed Loki. Killed Heimdal. Wiped most of the space dwarves. Was going to kill Thor and Hulk before Heimdall got them out with the Bifrost. Fatally stabbed Tony who survived only because of Nebula.

He was on a mission to wipe out half of all life. There is no reason to risk his mission in order to keep a small handful of humans alive. The whole thing is classic PIS.

To be fair, he killed Loki and Heimdall out of the four. Sounds like 50% to me. Also apparently I read somewhere that he chose to kill Tony because he was getting in his way too much.

Also, here's the important bit:

I never said it wasn't PIS. What I explained was literally the plot in the Plot Induced Stupidity. But he was, indeed, holding back. He was holding back due to PIS, but he did hold back.

What is MCU Thanos strongest feat that doesn't involve another character (that could be argued to be jobbing themselves eg: Hulk and Thor)?

Crushing Tesseract. Surviving the full power of Infinity Stones twice.

Lol at people not thinking 2014 Thanos was bloodlusted and that he was holding back

Well, the thing is why Iron Man resisted Thanos' strikes better than Thor and Worthy Cap (the one at Gauntlet fight)? Thor and Cap were KOed in 1 strike, but Iron Man was still able to get up (to steal the stones, and also when Thanos smacks him away while Tony tried to get the stones).

@mimisalome said:

I don't think scaling is the "best" types of feats for CBM

Considering the PIS and CIS are legit point of contention.

For example Spider-man staggered Thanos in almost the same way Hulk did when he punched him.

Are we going to say that based on scaling, Spider-man is just slightly less stronger than Hulk ?

Scaling is only a bad method when the Viner is incapable of considering context, which is actually very often, so perhaps I see your point there.

Viners seems to be the type who watches/reads only for the action part (specifically their favorite character's action part).

PIS

Thanos is legit 1000 tonner.Even weakest puch from him should have killed cap.Really.Do you remember what Hulk did to blonsky?And blonsky is a super soldier with equal or even better SS serum.

Blonsky still survived although most of his bones were broken. Hulk was mostly a mindless beast that time who doesn't really give a distinction to mostly everyone on whom he punch harder (means he probably used most of his power on Blonsky). Thanos refrains from killing heroes in IW and wanted the stones to decide, therefore he held back on the heroes (evidence is using Power Stone to KO human heroes when it can destroy whole planet, all Infinity Stones are stupidly broken at full potential like that).

@rbt: Superman never gave Batman a full powered punch, at most he gave him a light backhand. Thanos actually gave Captain America solid kicks and punches.

Why is Superman getting this excuse while Thanos didn't? Because Superman is more popular character whose his power (and OPness) has been well known and accepted that only popular ones can be that strong and get away?

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#56 Posted by RBT (30541 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.

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#57 Posted by SireMystKing52 (85 posts) - - Show Bio
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#58 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (18897 posts) - - Show Bio

@dreadbringer: what excuse is being used for Superman? I already explained unlike Thanos, Superman’s striking is actually consistent. I posted up gifs of him punching Zod in comparison to him hitting Batman, there’s a clear difference in effort.

Thanos punches everyone with the same level of intensity and failed to kill the likes of Spider-Man & Captain America it’s either his striking is inconsistent or he doesn’t hit all that hard.

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#59 Edited by Nucleon (4184 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: What has Superman ever accomplished with his striking power? In terms of raw damage, WW surpasses him. Supes' strikes just ain't the game-changer you guys pretend it is.

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#60 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (18897 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: casually destroyed Kryptonian material with a jab, the same material that were tearing through sky scrapers. Punches produce sonic booms. Bfr’d Aquaman with a jab, his punches were sending Doomsday flying outer space, his double punch against Zod, his straight punch against Nam-Ek that shook a train.

Superman’s striking is consistent, it even produces Mach cones consistently. Thanos one minute he’s knocking out Hulk, the next Captain America, Black Panther are taking punches from him, hell even Stark without his helmet took a punch from him in Endgame.

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#61 Posted by Nucleon (4184 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: .38 bullets also produce mach cones. The exemples you gave aren't that impressive, pretty much run-of-the-mill for these guys.

As for the Kryptonians' striking power, how come they can hit on one another for hours without ever sporting bruises? If two equal men fought that way, I can assure you it would show.

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#62 Edited by mimisalome (5881 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon said:

@ready_4_madness: .38 bullets also produce mach cones. The exemples you gave aren't that impressive, pretty much run-of-the-mill for these guys.

As for the Kryptonians' striking power, how come they can hit on one another for hours without ever sporting bruises? If two equal men fought that way, I can assure you it would show.

Can Spider-man or Capt America tank a .38 bullet?

Im just wondering.

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#63 Edited by Nucleon (4184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mimisalome: They could certainly feel it and no-one ever wrote the contrary, or pretend they are herald-level like people do for WW.

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#64 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (18897 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: they don’t bruise up because they’re Kryptonian. Zod and Superman crashes from space to earth and they didn’t swell up.

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#65 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6084 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is simply PIS. I mean, it is Captain America with the Russo force.

Batman went untouched by the massively FTL Doomsday. Nobody brings that up as an anti feat.

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#66 Posted by BalancedTruth02 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

fodder failed to beat fodder, superman beats both, delete this thread now!

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#67 Posted by Nucleon (4184 posts) - - Show Bio

@nucleon: they don’t bruise up because they’re Kryptonian. Zod and Superman crashes from space to earth and they didn’t swell up.

Well, if by these they wanted to highlight their durability, they did so at the expense of their striking power.

PS they still can get KOed by a train engine/oil rig.

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#68 Posted by Subline (9581 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not an anti feat, it's a low showing, either that or he was holding back tremendously.

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#69 Posted by incursion2 (2610 posts) - - Show Bio

Do people really think they are going to let Cap die from one punch from Thanos lol. Thanos absolutely has the strength to do so but outside of his fight with worthy Cap thanos practically ignores him.

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#70 Posted by modernww2fare (7464 posts) - - Show Bio

It's the epitome of plot armor

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#71 Posted by Marvelitez (420 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol so Endgame Thanos was holding back? No he wasn't.

Cull Obsidian is stronger than Thanos and the consensus is that a hit from him will kill Steve even if he blocks it