Poll Why do people use mcu thanos not koing captain America as an anti feat (56 votes)
If he could break hulk’s nose in a punch but not kill cap America, it shouldn’t means he’s that weak but is holding back instead. Thoughts
If he could break hulk’s nose in a punch but not kill cap America, it shouldn’t means he’s that weak but is holding back instead. Thoughts
@crater_maker: We're talking Endgame though, just saying.
Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.
MCU scaling and power-levels have become an inconsistent and convoluted mess, that's all I know. It's fallen into the same trap as comics, different runs/writers are virtually different versions in many instances.
@metaljimmor said:
why did thanos trap black widow with rocks instead of anything else?
Because the writers didn't want her dead so she could be in the sequel.
Thanos had no reason to be holding back. He was about to wipe out half the universe.
Yeah the reason of wiping half the universe? To preserve life in his own extreme ways (overpopulation crisis). When he got the chance to get more stones (with also killing Gamora giving him sympathy) he refrains from killing outside the snap. Power Stone can destroy whole planet (if you don't believe, search Eson destroys planet in GOTG), but he used it so that it only KOes human heroes like Okoye.
Viners focused so much on only feats that everything else is ignored (not related to this, but even when the fight is only spar between a significantly more powerful character against weaker one that aren't enemies, means the stronger one is holding back). This is for Thanos himself; Black Order also doing Thanos' job of getting stones (and are separated in Wakanda) but they aren't as powerful as Thanos with stones so they send Outrider armies to give a resistance to Wakandan army to get the stones.
If you're talking about Endgame one then "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". The power of Thor includes physical stats too, whenever you like it or not. Comic Mjolnir works the exact same way, like what it did to Jane Foster (which will be carried onto the MCU in Love and Thunder). The problem is MCU doesn't tell how long will they keep the enhancement (1 minute in comic), but we can assume that Cap hasn't kept away from the hammer for more than 1 minute during Thanos vs Thor and Cap gauntlet fight.
He was holding back because he wanted to refrain from killing anyone. He wanted the Snap to decide randomly. He's avoided killing anyone as much as possible through the film with few exceptions.
Can you provide evidence of such expression to support this conviction?
During the Avengers movie, it seems more like Thanos didn't really care who will die or survive the Chitauri invasion.
The evidence is that Thanos seldom used any of the fight-ending stones like Reality Stone (alter anything) or Soul Stone (probably take any soul) in Titan. He used Power Stone (can destroy planets at full potential in GOTG) in a way that it only KOed human heroes. Probably also the reason he broke the moon to pieces so it wouldn't kill any heroes but it would scatter them around. You underestimate how powerful each of the Infinity Stones can be at full potential.
He was on a mission to wipe out half of all life. There is no reason to risk his mission in order to keep a small handful of humans alive. The whole thing is classic PIS.
To be fair, he killed Loki and Heimdall out of the four. Sounds like 50% to me. Also apparently I read somewhere that he chose to kill Tony because he was getting in his way too much.
Also, here's the important bit:
I never said it wasn't PIS. What I explained was literally the plot in the Plot Induced Stupidity. But he was, indeed, holding back. He was holding back due to PIS, but he did hold back.
What is MCU Thanos strongest feat that doesn't involve another character (that could be argued to be jobbing themselves eg: Hulk and Thor)?
Crushing Tesseract. Surviving the full power of Infinity Stones twice.
Lol at people not thinking 2014 Thanos was bloodlusted and that he was holding back
Well, the thing is why Iron Man resisted Thanos' strikes better than Thor and Worthy Cap (the one at Gauntlet fight)? Thor and Cap were KOed in 1 strike, but Iron Man was still able to get up (to steal the stones, and also when Thanos smacks him away while Tony tried to get the stones).
I don't think scaling is the "best" types of feats for CBM
Considering the PIS and CIS are legit point of contention.
For example Spider-man staggered Thanos in almost the same way Hulk did when he punched him.
Are we going to say that based on scaling, Spider-man is just slightly less stronger than Hulk ?
Scaling is only a bad method when the Viner is incapable of considering context, which is actually very often, so perhaps I see your point there.
Viners seems to be the type who watches/reads only for the action part (specifically their favorite character's action part).
PIS
Thanos is legit 1000 tonner.Even weakest puch from him should have killed cap.Really.Do you remember what Hulk did to blonsky?And blonsky is a super soldier with equal or even better SS serum.
Blonsky still survived although most of his bones were broken. Hulk was mostly a mindless beast that time who doesn't really give a distinction to mostly everyone on whom he punch harder (means he probably used most of his power on Blonsky). Thanos refrains from killing heroes in IW and wanted the stones to decide, therefore he held back on the heroes (evidence is using Power Stone to KO human heroes when it can destroy whole planet, all Infinity Stones are stupidly broken at full potential like that).
@rbt: Superman never gave Batman a full powered punch, at most he gave him a light backhand. Thanos actually gave Captain America solid kicks and punches.
Why is Superman getting this excuse while Thanos didn't? Because Superman is more popular character whose his power (and OPness) has been well known and accepted that only popular ones can be that strong and get away?
Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.
I never bait.
@ready_4_madness: What has Superman ever accomplished with his striking power? In terms of raw damage, WW surpasses him. Supes' strikes just ain't the game-changer you guys pretend it is.
@ready_4_madness: .38 bullets also produce mach cones. The exemples you gave aren't that impressive, pretty much run-of-the-mill for these guys.
As for the Kryptonians' striking power, how come they can hit on one another for hours without ever sporting bruises? If two equal men fought that way, I can assure you it would show.
@ready_4_madness: .38 bullets also produce mach cones. The exemples you gave aren't that impressive, pretty much run-of-the-mill for these guys.
As for the Kryptonians' striking power, how come they can hit on one another for hours without ever sporting bruises? If two equal men fought that way, I can assure you it would show.
Can Spider-man or Capt America tank a .38 bullet?
Im just wondering.
@mimisalome: They could certainly feel it and no-one ever wrote the contrary, or pretend they are herald-level like people do for WW.
I think it is simply PIS. I mean, it is Captain America with the Russo force.
Batman went untouched by the massively FTL Doomsday. Nobody brings that up as an anti feat.
@nucleon: they don’t bruise up because they’re Kryptonian. Zod and Superman crashes from space to earth and they didn’t swell up.
Well, if by these they wanted to highlight their durability, they did so at the expense of their striking power.
PS they still can get KOed by a train engine/oil rig.
Do people really think they are going to let Cap die from one punch from Thanos lol. Thanos absolutely has the strength to do so but outside of his fight with worthy Cap thanos practically ignores him.
Lol so Endgame Thanos was holding back? No he wasn't.
Cull Obsidian is stronger than Thanos and the consensus is that a hit from him will kill Steve even if he blocks it
Captain America was tapped into the Russoforce at the moment so it's not an anti-feat.
Because it is an anti-feat.
Anti-feats are feats of a character doing poorly. This is exactly that. Especially since Thanos has no reason to be holding back in this moment.
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