Why do people use mcu thanos not koing captain America as an anti feat

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Posted by JefferydeDucke (639 posts) 5 days, 8 hours ago

Poll: Why do people use mcu thanos not koing captain America as an anti feat (44 votes)

They’re wrong 59%
Legit reason 41%

If he could break hulk’s nose in a punch but not kill cap America, it shouldn’t means he’s that weak but is holding back instead. Thoughts

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#1 Posted by nn5 (602 posts) - - Show Bio

He was holding back. Even then it's probably an outlier for Cap, Thanos has way more better showings to care about it.

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#2 Posted by Pipxeroth (9703 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it absolutely is an anti-feat

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#3 Edited by MetalJimmor (6738 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it is an anti-feat.

Anti-feats are feats of a character doing poorly. This is exactly that. Especially since Thanos has no reason to be holding back in this moment.

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#4 Posted by JefferydeDucke (639 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor: why did thanos trap black widow with rocks instead of anything else?

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#5 Edited by Supermanfan1938 (307 posts) - - Show Bio

@jefferydeducke said:

@metaljimmor: why did thanos trap black widow with rocks instead of anything else?

Because street tiers are the most dangerous. Iron Man jobs to them, Loki jobs to them, Children of Thanos jobs to them. He was making sure BW was completely subdued for his own safety

OP: Cap is star level. He held back Thanos who beat up Thor

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#6 Posted by MetalJimmor (6738 posts) - - Show Bio

why did thanos trap black widow with rocks instead of anything else?

Because the writers didn't want her dead so she could be in the sequel.

Thanos had no reason to be holding back. He was about to wipe out half the universe.

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#7 Posted by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor:

He was holding back because he wanted to refrain from killing anyone. He wanted the Snap to decide randomly. He's avoided killing anyone as much as possible through the film with few exceptions.

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#8 Posted by mimisalome (5690 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor:

He was holding back because he wanted to refrain from killing anyone. He wanted the Snap to decide randomly. He's avoided killing anyone as much as possible through the film with few exceptions.

Can you provide evidence of such expression to support this conviction?

During the Avengers movie, it seems more like Thanos didn't really care who will die or survive the Chitauri invasion.

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#9 Posted by RBT (29868 posts) - - Show Bio

Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.

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#10 Posted by chuggachugga170 (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.

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#11 Posted by MetalJimmor (6738 posts) - - Show Bio

He was holding back because he wanted to refrain from killing anyone. He wanted the Snap to decide randomly. He's avoided killing anyone as much as possible through the film with few exceptions.

He wiped out half of the last Asgardians at the very start of the movie. Killed Loki. Killed Heimdal. Wiped most of the space dwarves. Was going to kill Thor and Hulk before Heimdal got them out with the Bifrost. Fatally stabbed Tony who survived only because of Nebula.

He was on a mission to wipe out half of all life. There is no reason to risk his mission in order to keep a small handful of humans alive. The whole thing is classic PIS.

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#12 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (18111 posts) - - Show Bio

@chuggachugga170: @rbt: If Thanos punched as hard as Superman, Captain America wouldn’t still be alive.

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#13 Posted by chuggachugga170 (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: assuming that he wasnt holding back like in infinity war, then yes

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#16 Posted by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

He wiped out half of the last Asgardians at the very start of the movie. Killed Loki. Killed Heimdal. Wiped most of the space dwarves. Was going to kill Thor and Hulk before Heimdall got them out with the Bifrost. Fatally stabbed Tony who survived only because of Nebula.

He was on a mission to wipe out half of all life. There is no reason to risk his mission in order to keep a small handful of humans alive. The whole thing is classic PIS.

To be fair, he killed Loki and Heimdall out of the four. Sounds like 50% to me. Also apparently I read somewhere that he chose to kill Tony because he was getting in his way too much.

Also, here's the important bit:

I never said it wasn't PIS. What I explained was literally the plot in the Plot Induced Stupidity. But he was, indeed, holding back. He was holding back due to PIS, but he did hold back.

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#17 Posted by chuggachugga170 (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: he knocked out cap with thor's power. one punch from superman wouldnt kill thor either

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#18 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18111 posts) - - Show Bio

@chuggachugga170: Thanos and Cap were fighting before Cap got a hold of Mjolnir. Superman would’ve already killed Cap if he fought him with the same intensity as Thanos did.

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#19 Posted by mimisalome (5690 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor said:
He wiped out half of the last Asgardians at the very start of the movie. Killed Loki. Killed Heimdal. Wiped most of the space dwarves. Was going to kill Thor and Hulk before Heimdall got them out with the Bifrost. Fatally stabbed Tony who survived only because of Nebula.

He was on a mission to wipe out half of all life. There is no reason to risk his mission in order to keep a small handful of humans alive. The whole thing is classic PIS.

To be fair, he killed Loki and Heimdall out of the four. Sounds like 50% to me. Also apparently I read somewhere that he chose to kill Tony because he was getting in his way too much.

Also, here's the important bit:

I never said it wasn't PIS. What I explained was literally the plot in the Plot Induced Stupidity. But he was, indeed, holding back. He was holding back due to PIS, but he did hold back.

What is MCU Thanos strongest feat that doesn't involve another character (that could be argued to be jobbing themselves eg: Hulk and Thor)?

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#20 Posted by MetalJimmor (6738 posts) - - Show Bio

@gateofbabylon:

Not to be too pedantic but that would be CIS. Character induced stupidity is when the character it withholding powers due to a character flaw. PIS is more when a character's abilities fluctuate wildly with no in-universe explanation.

Though I guess you're saying Thanos, who has no reason to be holding back, was doing so because of PIS. I guess that makes sense.

Either way it isn't great writing. Thanos had just unleashed an army on Wakanda and caused the deaths of hundreds of people. Holding back so he doesn't kill one or two more makes no sense and isn't in line with his characterization up until that point.

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#21 Posted by RBT (29868 posts) - - Show Bio

@chuggachugga170: @rbt: If Thanos punched as hard as Superman, Captain America wouldn’t still be alive.

If Superman punched as hard as Thanos, Batman wouldn't still be alive.

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#22 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18111 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Superman never gave Batman a full powered punch, at most he gave him a light backhand. Thanos actually gave Captain America solid kicks and punches.

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#23 Posted by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

What is MCU Thanos strongest feat that doesn't involve another character (that could be argued to be jobbing themselves eg: Hulk and Thor)?

So what other kind of feat are you looking for?

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#24 Posted by Bayman007 (2422 posts) - - Show Bio

It's because the Russo Brothers have no clue. They mugg off the Hulk but big up Captain bloody america and iron man. They got this sooo wrong

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#25 Posted by mimisalome (5690 posts) - - Show Bio

@mimisalome said:

What is MCU Thanos strongest feat that doesn't involve another character (that could be argued to be jobbing themselves eg: Hulk and Thor)?

So what other kind of feat are you looking for?

Something that is more physical, and directly quantifiable.

Not something like "because-hulk-tanked-this-therefore-thanos-is-stronger" indirect scaling.

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#26 Posted by eri123 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:

Its PIS. People using that argument are usually the same people who can't digest the fact that Thanos has better striking than DCEU Supes.

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#27 Posted by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

Something that is more physical, and directly quantifiable.

Not something like "because-hulk-tanked-this-therefore-thanos-is-stronger" indirect scaling.

Scalings are the best type of feats for CBMs, especially when characters don't go around busting mountains or planets.

I feel like you're trying to build an argument for DCEU Supes > Thanos is striking so let me save you the trouble and say DCEU Superman has no great "quantifiable" feats either.

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@gateofbabylon said:
@mimisalome said:

Something that is more physical, and directly quantifiable.

Not something like "because-hulk-tanked-this-therefore-thanos-is-stronger" indirect scaling.

Scalings are the best type of feats for CBMs, especially when characters don't go around busting mountains or planets.

I feel like you're trying to build an argument for DCEU Supes > Thanos is striking so let me save you the trouble and say DCEU Superman has no great "quantifiable" feats either.

I don't think scaling is the "best" types of feats for CBM

Considering the PIS and CIS are legit point of contention.

For example Spider-man staggered Thanos in almost the same way Hulk did when he punched him.

Are we going to say that based on scaling, Spider-man is just slightly less stronger than Hulk ?

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#29 Posted by chuggachugga170 (501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mimisalome: 616 spiderman staggered 616 thanos with the same effect as other mid-high tier characters..

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#30 Posted by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think scaling is the "best" types of feats for CBM

Considering the PIS and CIS are legit point of contention.

For example Spider-man staggered Thanos in almost the same way Hulk did when he punched him.

Are we going to say that based on scaling, Spider-man is just slightly less stronger than Hulk ?

Scaling is only a bad method when the Viner is incapable of considering context, which is actually very often, so perhaps I see your point there.

Let me use your example:

Spider-Man only slightly moved Thanos with a full force kick swinging in from a portal while he was concentrated on tugging the cloak off his gauntlet.

Hulk, with a light charge, managed to push Thanos several metres away by also catching him off guard. Afterwards, only when Thanos was no longer off-guard, did each of Hulk's stationary punches was slightly stagger Thanos with no last damage like Spidey's kick stated above.

Now, does Spider-Man's striking still seem close to Hulk's?

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#31 Edited by mimisalome (5690 posts) - - Show Bio

@chuggachugga170 said:

@mimisalome: 616 spiderman staggered 616 thanos with the same effect as other mid-high tier characters..

Why would 616-verse becomes relevant here? that's just muddying up the discussion by introducing data that are irrelevant.

Im just trying to resolve the seemingly arbitrary practice of concluding that every time Thanos is dealing with street level characters he is somehow "holding back", but when he is dealing with Thor or Hulk he does not, despite the fact that there aren't much any differences in their actual physical portrayals.

We know CIS and PIS plays a significant effect when characters interact with each other. Making any analysis based on cross character scaling inconsistent, unreliable, and arbitrary

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@gateofbabylon said:
@mimisalome said:

I don't think scaling is the "best" types of feats for CBM

Considering the PIS and CIS are legit point of contention.

For example Spider-man staggered Thanos in almost the same way Hulk did when he punched him.

Are we going to say that based on scaling, Spider-man is just slightly less stronger than Hulk ?

Scaling is only a bad method when the Viner is incapable of considering context, which is actually very often, so perhaps I see your point there.

Let me use your example:

Spider-Man only slightly moved Thanos with a full force kick swinging in from a portal while he was concentrated on tugging the cloak off his gauntlet.

Hulk, with a light charge, managed to push Thanos several metres away by also catching him off guard. Afterwards, only when Thanos was no longer off-guard, did each of Hulk's stationary punches was slightly stagger Thanos with no last damage like Spidey's kick stated above.

Now, does Spider-Man's striking still seem close to Hulk's?

How do you know this?

How do you actually measured Spider-man's "full force kick" and compare it to Hulk's "lightly" charging Thanos?

What quantifiable forces are we talking about here? Mass, friction, gravity, etc.

How much resistance did Thanos put up against Spider-man vs that of Hulk?

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#33 Edited by GateOfBabylon (5000 posts) - - Show Bio

@mimisalome said:

How do you know this?

How do you actually measured Spider-man's "full force kick" and compare it Hulk's "lightly" charging Thanos?

What quantifiable forces are we talking about here? Mass, friction, gravity, etc.

How much resistance did Thanos put up against Spider-man vs that of Hulk?

To put it simply - Spidey's kick swinging in on a unaware Thanos did the same damage as Hulk's stationary punches on a guarded Thanos.

Therefore - Hulk's striking is a lot higher than Spider-Man's.

That's it. No need for mental gymnastics.

There's no need to try and pull a bunch of science and numbers into this. You just look like you're grasping at straws to lowball Thanos.

This will be my last post to you.

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@gateofbabylon said:
@mimisalome said:

How do you know this?

How do you actually measured Spider-man's "full force kick" and compare it Hulk's "lightly" charging Thanos?

What quantifiable forces are we talking about here? Mass, friction, gravity, etc.

How much resistance did Thanos put up against Spider-man vs that of Hulk?

To put it simply - Spidey's kick swinging in on a unaware Thanos did the same damage as Hulk's stationary punches on a guarded Thanos.

Therefore - Hulk's striking is a lot higher than Spider-Man's.

That's it. No need for mental gymnastics.

There's no need to try and pull a bunch of science and numbers into this. You just look like you're grasping at straws to lowball Thanos.

This will be my last post.

That is not making anything simple.

It makes the discussion moot and irresolvable.

We can argue all day debating that your "eye-balling" method is more reliable than somebody else's subjective approximation.

Demanding objective and quantifiable measurements, is not "grasping straw".

It's how you resolve conflicts via presentation of verifiable objective evidence that everybody can agree on.

Also Im not the one who is bending over backward, trying to "explain away" Thanos's inconsistencies with argument like "he is holding back, "he was caught surprised", he was fixing his retarded guantlet" etc.

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#35 Posted by RBT (29868 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Superman never gave Batman a full powered punch, at most he gave him a light backhand. Thanos actually gave Captain America solid kicks and punches.

Light backhand? What reason did Superman have for holding back? Considering he was hitting hard enough to hurt Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the very same scene.

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#36 Posted by GraniteVision (3408 posts) - - Show Bio

PIS

Thanos is legit 1000 tonner.Even weakest puch from him should have killed cap.Really.Do you remember what Hulk did to blonsky?And blonsky is a super soldier with equal or even better SS serum.

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#37 Posted by TheGrat1 (662 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt said:
@ready_4_madness said:

@rbt: Superman never gave Batman a full powered punch, at most he gave him a light backhand. Thanos actually gave Captain America solid kicks and punches.

Light backhand? What reason did Superman have for holding back? Considering he was hitting hard enough to hurt Aquaman and Wonder Woman in the very same scene.

You mean when he obviously wanted to talk to Batman (Do you bleed?). He recognised him and wanted to make him hurt. Otherwise he could have heat visioned him, used granite-shattering punches or broke his neck.

Thanos, on the other hand has no good reason to hold back against the likes of Steve Rogers and he has failed to kill him with a punch twice.

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#38 Posted by Asgardianweapon (217 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGrat1: superman was morals off agaist someone he hated too, he didn't had a better reason to not kill

It's both a PIS

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@rbt: hurt Aquaman and Wonder Woman? He literally jabbed both of them and headbutt Wonder Woman once he knew she can harm him. He's just strong. You can tell the difference in him striking Batman and him striking Zod whereas Thanos effort in his striking against Cap, Thor & Iron Man was consistent.

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#40 Posted by Crater_Maker (171 posts) - - Show Bio

This question was answered in their Q&A. Thanks was just curious about Cap. However using this as an Antifeat after clearly overpowering Captain marvel, Thor, and the Hulk is ridiculous.

If we only focus on antifeats then Doomsday can’t even tag a street leveler.

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#42 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (18111 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Cap should’ve been sent further if Thanos really hits all that hard. I mean even a grenade launcher done more damage to Cap.

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#43 Posted by RBT (29868 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: That's the inconsistency of the shield, not Thanos. The grenade launcher launched Cap at 50mph and a Mjolnir strike from Thor which leveled trees for hundreds of meters could not even budge Cap. Cap felt Buck's metal arm strike more than he felt the Mjolnir strike.

The shield is a plot device and has always been inconsistent.

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#44 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18111 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Mjolnir and the shields collision levelled a forest and dropped both Thor and Cap. Cap definitely did not feel Bucky’s punch more than Mjolnir.

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#45 Posted by RBT (29868 posts) - - Show Bio

@rbt: Mjolnir and the shields collision levelled a forest and dropped both Thor and Cap. Cap definitely did not feel Bucky’s punch more than Mjolnir.

It didn't drop Cap. He was kneeling before the strike. Not to mention that the Mjlonir strike was exponentially more powerful than the grenade launcher. Going by that logic, Cap should have been inside Earth's core from that strike.

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#46 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5870 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be PIS considering he oneshotted Cap in IW and also oneshotted BP in his kinetic suit but iirc Thanos only struck at Cap’s shield and the times he didn’t Cap had Thor’s physicals.

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#47 Edited by modernww2fare (7385 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol @Thanos hitting harder than Supes

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#48 Posted by ThanonsiKhan (9 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at people not thinking 2014 Thanos was bloodlusted and that he was holding back

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@joker567892:

It was a bonus feature of Infinity war when they were explaining certain Things. They explained that Thanos looked at Cap out of interest.