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#1 Edited by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen cap do anything completely ridiculous that shows him to be over powered or anything. Iron man was holding back in his fight against cap and Spider-Man didn't know WTF he was doing. The helecopter scene was pretty fitting and he had to give a lot its not like he did it effortlessly.

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#3 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15414 posts) - - Show Bio

His best feats are from the Russo movies.

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#4 Posted by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: but has he done anything totally of scale? And besides they directed 2 of the 5 movies he's in

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#5 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15414 posts) - - Show Bio

@saberscar223: compared to the other films, yes. Watch Avengers and Captain America First Avenger, based on his power level in those films he should not be at the stage he's at. In Russo films he performs a tier above the other films apart from AOU which was post Winter Soldier.

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#6 Posted by StormShadow_X (16368 posts) - - Show Bio

Its a joke usually

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#7 Edited by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio
@ready_4_madness said:

@saberscar223: compared to the other films, yes. Watch Avengers and Captain America First Avenger, based on his power level in those films he should not be at the stage he's at. In Russo films he performs a tier above the other films apart from AOU which was post Winter Soldier.

I don't agree with this. It's all about progression. Cap goes one step further with every film. He pulls off some new tricks every time, it's not like he's 100% consistent but then the Russos come out of nowhere and amp him. Joe Johnston gave a strong baseline in TFA. Then Joss Whedon showed what he can really do in The Avengers. Then the Russos took it a step further in TWS. Whedon responded by taking that yet another step further in AoU. And then the Russos once more one-upped it in Civil War.

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#8 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen cap do anything completely ridiculous that shows him to be over powered or anything.

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#9 Posted by TwotoneZack (422 posts) - - Show Bio

@saberscar223: I agree. People will bring up CW and damaging Tony's suit and claim plot and Russoforce. However watching the fight the only time cap damages Tony's suit is with his shield. Furthermore other characters get the benefit of "they were just learning their powers" while I haven't seen this applied to Steve. It would make since that he would get stronger as more time has passed due to training and conditioning. In TFA he didn't really get to explore the possibilities of what he could do, in the Avengers he was out of the ice but I don't recall if they state for how long. Then in the WS and AoU he finally starts pushing the limits of what he can do.

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#10 Posted by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

@twotonezack: well he did damage it when he was punching him after he knocked him down

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#11 Posted by TwotoneZack (422 posts) - - Show Bio

@saberscar223: iirc he knocked him down and was punching him but didn't really damage it until he got the shield. I will take your word on it. But I will have to watch it again.

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#12 Edited by Logan812 (93 posts) - - Show Bio

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@saberscar223 said:

I haven't seen cap do anything completely ridiculous that shows him to be over powered or anything.

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That wouldn't be unbelievable in Captain America: The First Avenger. However, The Avengers makes him look relatively weak for some reason especially considering it follows TFA.

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#13 Edited by Hemehero (1269 posts) - - Show Bio

In the First Avenger he has some incredible strength feats but they aren't memorable like in TWS or CW. He effortlessly (literally no signs of stress) lifts a motorcycle with 3 girls on it above his head, leaps a probably 10-15 metre gap with almost no run-up, punches through submarine glass underwater minutes after being enhanced and sends a man flying back probably 5 metres with a light shield tap, early on in his career.

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#14 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (3953 posts) - - Show Bio

@Logan812: Dude what are you talking about? MCU Cap is multiversal++++++.

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#15 Edited by MarvelandDCfan24 (7164 posts) - - Show Bio

He solod Iron man which there's no way he should be able to do that

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#16 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

He solod Iron man which there's no way he should be able to do that

He clearly didint.

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#17 Edited by Green_Tea (10416 posts) - - Show Bio

Or maybe...just maybe... it's because he's partly inspired by Ult Cap in terms of physical stats?

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#18 Posted by Jonez_ (11445 posts) - - Show Bio

MCU Cap is perfect. That is how an enhanced human should look on film.

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#19 Edited by LDM (5361 posts) - - Show Bio

It is a joke and he isn't really OP when you compare him with some of his other counterparts ( Ultimate Cap and 2MAU Cap mostly )

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#20 Posted by BruceRogers (17183 posts) - - Show Bio

Cause they cant stand to see their favourite street level character look weak in comparison to him.

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#21 Edited by MAZAHS117 (12337 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of his best feats come from the Russo films, whom just happen to be the directors of INFINITY WAR 🤔...sooooo..watch out Thanos lol

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#22 Posted by LDM (5361 posts) - - Show Bio

@mazahs117 said:

Most of his best feats come from the Russo films, whom just happen to be the directors of INFINITY WAR 🤔...sooooo..watch out Thanos lol

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Imagine if they replicate these scenes in IF

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#23 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6612 posts) - - Show Bio

@ldm said:

@mazahs117 said:

Most of his best feats come from the Russo films, whom just happen to be the directors of INFINITY WAR 🤔...sooooo..watch out Thanos lol

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Imagine if they replicate these scenes in IF

I think he's almost definitely gonna be able to somehow hurt Thanos however ridiculous it may be.

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#24 Posted by LDM (5361 posts) - - Show Bio

@thorthunder98: The battle forum will probably go crazy and label every feat he perform in the movie as PIS as a result

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#25 Posted by quantum-savage (767 posts) - - Show Bio

He hasn't really had trouble against anybody 1 on 1. Ultron? That should have been slaughter but he somehow managed. He's really able to do damn near anything in the MCU.

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#26 Posted by buildhare (8618 posts) - - Show Bio

Because a character having consistently good feats and improving is upsetting.

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#27 Posted by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio
@ldm said:

@mazahs117 said:

Most of his best feats come from the Russo films, whom just happen to be the directors of INFINITY WAR 🤔...sooooo..watch out Thanos lol

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Imagine if they replicate these scenes in IF

I think he's almost definitely gonna be able to somehow hurt Thanos however ridiculous it may be.

Think it's important to differentiate between 'hurt' and simply 'push around'... like he can push Thanos around if he is unbalanced and he surprise him by hitting him in the head from behind.

That said, those kind of scenes are highly likely to appear since the MCU have a pretty poor record of respecting the powerleves of the various characters. And Thanos without his special glove and all his pokemon stones (gotta catch em all) will be no exception.

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#29 Posted by LDM (5361 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85: Considering Thanos's strength level and him resisting, it was a miracle that Cap was somehow able to push him. That and Thanos actually groaned a little in the episode if you had watched it. For the second one, durability doesn't decrease whether you are being surprise attacked or not, and normal Thanos is continent level physically, this is him after having absorbed the life force of an entire planet, Cap being able to even hurt him a little is beyond stupid

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#30 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15414 posts) - - Show Bio

In Civil War he fought Black Panther & War Machine, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Crossbones. He had the upper hand in all of those fights. Avengers he had trouble with Chitauri, and AOU he had trouble with Ultron Bots. In Russo films he seems more unstoppable than he should be.

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#31 Posted by King_Krown (1202 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15414 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_krown: he was fighting Black Panther and War Machine at the same time and even so he got the drop on both of them. Bare in mind War Machine is powerful enough to fodderize Hammer Drones. Russo Force Cap is indeed a beast.

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#33 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

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@outside_85: Considering Thanos's strength level and him resisting, it was a miracle that Cap was somehow able to push him. That and Thanos actually groaned a little in the episode if you had watched it. For the second one, durability doesn't decrease whether you are being surprise attacked or not, and normal Thanos is continent level physically, this is him after having absorbed the life force of an entire planet, Cap being able to even hurt him a little is beyond stupid

Unless Thanos actually braces for the impact, then his strength really doesn't matter as long as Cap is strong enough to move his bulk. Like, being strong does not make you the master of your own gravity, (Granted this is something both comics and animation dont always grasp)

Who said he was actually hurt and not simply made an involuntary noise because he was interrupted mid sentence by something hitting his head.
Like while it's not a very good comparison, it is there; have you seen the short clip of the football coach who almost fell over because he got hit in the head by a paper airplane? That guy reacted not because he knew it was piece of paper, he reacted because he just knew he was struck by something. Same thing here, he doesn't have to be hurt, he just needs to know he was hit.

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#34 Edited by Gracetrack (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

"Russo Force" is a thing because he's generally shown to be quite a bit stronger in the Russo films than in the others. In Russo films he cripples a massive fighter jet pretty much with a single shield toss, overpowers Spider-Man with not exactly a lot of effort (the same Spidey who, with one arm, effortlessly caught/stopped Bucky's metal punch just moments before), gives a bloodlusted Iron Man way too much trouble in a 1-on-1 (punching and staggering him without so much as breaking a finger on Tony's high tech armor), pushes the front end of a large parked military truck 5-6 feet with a single standing kick, and overpowers a moving helicopter that's attempting to lift off by arm curling it into submission. Nothing in the non-Russo films is at this level, not even the infamous motorbike throw.

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#35 Posted by KanyeCosby (6965 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the problem is that other characters are made weaker to point where Captain America looks really powerful. Cap should not be able to fight Loki, Iron man, or Ultron.

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#36 Posted by ANTHP2000 (25823 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the problem is that other characters are made weaker to point where Captain America looks really powerful. Cap should not be able to fight Loki, Iron man, or Ultron.

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#37 Posted by Stahlflamme (5694 posts) - - Show Bio

@kanyecosby: He could not even hurt Loki during their fight. But you bring up the way more important point of the OP here by bringing up the fact that the things that actually rub people the weong way happened in the Whedon movies. Caps best feats are not in the Russo movies they are in the two Avenger movies even fighting Iron Man is just the consequence of him being able to fight Ultron before. The Russp force was named by pissed of battleforum nuts that were pissed people qould actually consoder debating for Cap against their favs after he had a good movie, but there is literally one moment in the movie that would be out of what people cpuld consoder his strength range. All the other times he only fights a guy with his same powerset and regular goons. None of which anyone would say he could not be capable of. It was age of Ultron that established him as a character that could go toe-to-toe with the MCUs midtiers and Avengers that implied it and Civil War just followed suit. So if your problem is that Cap is capable of fighting Ultron and Iron Man and that is all ypu actually care about at least be corrdct in your silly fanboy names and call it Whedon force after the guy who made him so powerful going forward and not Russo force, because they made a popular Captain America movie in which he beat up a bunch of regular mooks and another supersoldier and decided to make characters look similiarly powerful to previous movies.

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#38 Posted by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah I still don’t understand

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#39 Edited by jashro44 (52066 posts) - - Show Bio

It's another overused joke.

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#41 Posted by Saberscar223 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: that’s what I was thinking but people tend to be serious

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#42 Edited by StormShadow_X (16368 posts) - - Show Bio

It's just some of his feats look pretty damn funny such a the infamous motorcycle throwing feat. Also its that a few people with there fancy caculations try to say MCU Cap is a 10 tonner. It's mostly just a pretty funny(IMO) Joke nowadays though.

Though it has a bit of merit. Russo Force Cap beat Ironman...just saying :p

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#43 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (3953 posts) - - Show Bio
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#44 Posted by GateOfBabylon (3694 posts) - - Show Bio

It's just an overused joke people use when they're salty that Cap give their favorite characters the slightest bit of a fight.

He's never been even beaten Hulk/Thor/Loki/IronMan/WarMachine. Hell he didn't even beat Black Panther. All he did was give them some fight because he's an insanely skilled superhuman with an indestructible shock absorbent shield.

Other MCU characters have undoubtedly been nerfed but Cap is still nowhere near able to beat them without some sort of aid.

Russo Force isn't a thing.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5a89ca5697052 (8063 posts) - - Show Bio

Its just a joke.

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#46 Posted by APEX_pretador (19693 posts) - - Show Bio

@saberscar223: There's no russo-force, Iron Man was nerfed in Civil War.

He wasn't able to catch up on falling war machine, was damaged by falling cars, Falcon could outspeed him, redwing hurt him, Cap could restrain him against his jet boosters (who could help him push helicarrier rotors, flying boats in AoU, ship in Homecoming, etc), Bucky with metal arm overpowered him, etc.

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I haven't seen cap do anything completely ridiculous that shows him to be over powered or anything.

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He used the motorcycles' momentum.

Also, it is Jossforce not Russoforce, since Joss Whedon was the director

@kanyecosby said:

I think the problem is that other characters are made weaker to point where Captain America looks really powerful. Cap should not be able to fight Loki, Iron man, or Ultron.

Why not? Loki easily stomped him.

Cap is faster and more skilled than Ultron/Tony and he has impenetrable defense in form of his shield.

Also Tony was nerfed in CW

In Civil War he fought Black Panther & War Machine, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Crossbones. He had the upper hand in all of those fights. Avengers he had trouble with Chitauri, and AOU he had trouble with Ultron Bots. In Russo films he seems more unstoppable than he should be.

  • Black Panther was fighting evenly with him, not at slightest disadvantage
  • War Machine and Iron Man are slower in combat, and Cap has an indestructible shield which can absorb impacts
  • Crossbones losing to him is fair enough
  • Spiderman fight has been discussed to death, he beat him by outskilling him and spidey being inexperienced.

In Avengers, he was 1-2 shotting chitauris, even taking on groups of 3-5 at once.

In AoU, he was tearing apart ultron bots with his bare hands took on Ultron in 1v1 for very long and was nowhere near losing, destroyed a jeep, killed as many iron legion ultron bots as Thor(2) , was the only avenger who tagged Quicksilver, no-sold a repulsor blast and even a unibeam from Iron Man, etc.

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#47 Posted by LDM (5361 posts) - - Show Bio

It is a joke

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#48 Posted by Amcu (16247 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually want them to boost Cap. I want them to boost everyone else as well.

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#49 Edited by Worldofthunder (5055 posts) - - Show Bio

They upgraded Cap, but he's not nearly as impressive as his 616 counterpart so I wouldn't call him OP

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#50 Posted by Arrsenal (355 posts) - - Show Bio

@saberscar223: There's no russo-force, Iron Man was nerfed in Civil War.

He wasn't able to catch up on falling war machine, was damaged by falling cars, Falcon could outspeed him, redwing hurt him, Cap could restrain him against his jet boosters (who could help him push helicarrier rotors, flying boats in AoU, ship in Homecoming, etc), Bucky with metal arm overpowered him, etc.

Bucky overpowered Iron Man even with organic arm lmao

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