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#1 Edited by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman can lift the weight of the Earth and Hulk can't fly or move around in air.

Hulk weighs a little over 1 ton, the Earth is 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons.

What's stopping Superman from casually tossing Hulk into space?

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#2 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

Becuz Hulk strongest DER ES

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#3 Posted by Nerx (15351 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Posted by Frocharocha (5357 posts) - - Show Bio

You forgot that Superman can move soo fast that he can deliver a triulion punches in a nanosecond and travel trough the Milk Way galaxy in little time.

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#5 Edited by Shavo (2199 posts) - - Show Bio

are you trying to trick us into another superman vs hulk thread?

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#6 Posted by cliffrice (1066 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk cant win because superman would drop him before he could get mad enough and strong enough to compete so there really is no reason to beat this dead horse.

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#7 Posted by Franchise1590 (304 posts) - - Show Bio

Since comicviners are no where near mature enough to answer the question I will.

It's because they are to charactersost associated to immense strenvth and power.

When you think think super strength you think Hulk and Superman. It's as simple as that.

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#8 Posted by LimpoyzLoan (1692 posts) - - Show Bio

@frocharocha: Bit of an exaggeration on the punches, but yeah.

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#9 Posted by fiodestromus (1626 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokemondefender: People argue that because both of there strength is really limitless and it is very hard to overcome either

Hulk argument: He gets stringer depending on the pressure he is under. so he would eventually overpower superman

Superman argument: He has super speed and can go so fast He could Bfr Hulk before he could ever even think

In my opinion it could really go either way

And its also argued because these two are probably the most Iconic when it comes to strength and durability

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#10 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

cause theres a ton of hulk fanboyz on comicvine?

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#11 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokemondefender: People argue that because both of there strength is really limitless and it is very hard to overcome either

Hulk argument: He gets stringer depending on the pressure he is under. so he would eventually overpower superman

Superman argument: He has super speed and can go so fast He could Bfr Hulk before he could ever even think

In my opinion it could really go either way

And its also argued because these two are probably the most Iconic when it comes to strength and durability

look at your OWN post. hulk doesnt have a chance.

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#12 Posted by slimj87d (13197 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Hulk stands a chance due to speed. But he is durable enough to take a beating from Superman and I think if Superman took one of his WBH gamma energized punches he would get KOed. But it is the speed that gives Superman the edge.

Why battle threads happen? It's because in character Superman doesn't always use his speed right away due to plot. Example, he can't use his super speed because he might need to talk to civilians to try and get them calm or to get out. Or he tries to talk his opponent down.

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#13 Edited by THC (371 posts) - - Show Bio

It's plausible that Hulk can win, but under 90-99% of circumstances, no chance, IMO.

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#14 Posted by Soothing_Sounds (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that Hulk in some incarnations is in Superman's strength range and some have slight skill or technology upgrade's. That coupled with the fact that Superman with morals isn't all about lobotomizing from the get-go, means Hulk has a chance.

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#16 Edited by laflux (23738 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:

cause theres a ton of hulk fanboyz on comicvine?

Seriously?

There used to be lol. In fairness, I'd say your by far the best Hulk Specialist I have ever come across, as well as the most reasonable.

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#17 Posted by WWQ7 (484 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by robertloucksjr (2299 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk does not have infinite strength, unless he has infinite rage, which I don't think he has, nor do I think it exists.

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#19 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

superman has travled at 28x the speed of light. so yea im serious. hulk has no chance of reacting to that. its stupid to think he does. plus at their base, supes is stronger

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#21 Posted by guttridgeb (4881 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk does not have infinite strength, unless he has infinite rage, which I don't think he has, nor do I think it exists.

He does have infinite (potential) rage, its comic book logic.

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#22 Posted by AngryHulks (3365 posts) - - Show Bio

If Hulk is sufficiently angry enough and Superman is in-character, then Hulk probably stands some chance.

However, I must admit that Hulk at base strength are very weak, he have been KOed by far lesser force.

What really give Superman the edge is, well, pretty much all area from strength to intellect, and yes, speed. It really takes less than Mach 3 to outmaneuver Hulk, not to mention Superman could go beyond 1% the speed of light (Mach 9000) here.

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#23 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: glad to see youre a fan but still are reasonable. Good post man.

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#24 Edited by WWQ7 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull: I could name more than 5 Hulk fanboys, but I won't because I'll probably get a warning. You are not a Hulk fanboy: you are a reasonable debater who posts scans to backup your arguments, but you must admit that people who say Hulk can take a speed blitz from Wonder Woman and Supergirl are fanboys

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#26 Edited by WWQ7 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

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@theacidskull: I could name more than 5 Hulk fanboys, but I won't because I'll probably get a warning. You are not a Hulk fanboy, but you must admit that people who say Hulk can take a speed blitz from Wonder Woman and Supergirl are fanboys

is calling someone a fan boy against the rules? didn't know that.

anyways, Splitz are a interesting topoc, just because a character has the ability to do something doesn't mean they'll do it, ww and sg dont always splitz people, they can, but they don't do it. By that Logic i can say that hulk would just go WB and destroy the planet, but he won't right?

I don't know if it is, but you asked me to name 5 Hulk fanboys, so that could be against the rules.

I agree with you, but the person said that Hulk could react to a speed blitz from SG and WW when they attempt to speed blitz him. Not when they were thinking about doing it, but actually going for a speed blitz. If that doesn't prove someones a fanboy, I don't know what does.

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#27 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

it doesnt say theyre in character either. so this is basically powerset vs powerset. supes wins.

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#28 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

it doesnt say theyre in character either. so this is basically powerset vs powerset. supes wins.

this.

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#29 Posted by guttridgeb (4881 posts) - - Show Bio

it doesnt say theyre in character either. so this is basically powerset vs powerset. supes wins.

The rules say that if whether or not the characters are in-character isn't mentioned, they are in character.

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#30 Posted by comic_book_fan (7833 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokemondefender: the same thing that stops a vegan from eating meat that is still alive 1 superman chooses not to try and kill people and 2. hulk can hurt him .

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#31 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokemondefender: the same thing that stops a vegan from eating meat that is still alive 1 superman chooses not to try and kill people and 2. hulk can hurt him .

and yet he's killed doomsday. Look. i know what youre TRYING to say. but superman just wins. its been done a million times and im sure every time the result was supes winning. if it were morals off its a stomp in favor of supes. you cant hit what you cant see or react to. supes would be MOVING faster than hulks brain can PROCESS

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#32 Edited by Captain_Clown (288 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman can lift the weight of the Earth and Hulk can't fly or move around in air.

Hulk weighs a little over 1 ton, the Earth is 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons.

What's stopping Superman from casually tossing Hulk into space?

What's to stop Superman from casually tossing Doomsday into space? Superman knows the importance of plot and satisfying resolutions so he usually tries not to kick too much ass. If he fought Hulk, he'd be nice enough to put on a good show for the reading audience again.

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#33 Posted by DaDivineKing (43520 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

I don't think Hulk stands a chance due to speed. But he is durable enough to take a beating from Superman and I think if Superman took one of his WBH gamma energized punches he would get KOed. But it is the speed that gives Superman the edge.

Why battle threads happen? It's because in character Superman doesn't always use his speed right away due to plot. Example, he can't use his super speed because he might need to talk to civilians to try and get them calm or to get out. Or he tries to talk his opponent down.

Agree with this.

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#34 Posted by dodi (146 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Edited by Jezer (3409 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:

superman has travled at 28x the speed of light. so yea im serious. hulk has no chance of reacting to that. its stupid to think he does. plus at their base, supes is stronger

Yeah...because the fact that Superman has traveled at 28x the speed of light at one point in time, means he travels that speed casually and generally, all the time, during every fight....

Obviously Superman beats Hulk under most circumstances(it depends on battle rules, versions, etc), but make your reasoning less ridiculous, eh?

Eh?

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#36 Edited by GhostRavage (13952 posts) - - Show Bio

What does Hulk weight has to do with any of this? Superman weights like 230 pounds wtf? Superman can lift the weight of the earth 6 days in a row without tiring and Hulk can make planets explode almost effortlessly. And none of them weights 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. Fix that OP. Anyway, i think people argue about this topic because, they don't like to see Hulk getting stomped in 90% of all threads same time they don't like to see Superman losing. The fight between this 2 can go either way, its all about scenarios. However, i must say Superman's speed its what gives him the victory, anything else can be discarded. The really tricky question is, does he use "that speed" while he's fighting?

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#37 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: The Earth weighs 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 genius, it even says in the scan where Superman does it.

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#38 Edited by ZombieMowlcher (733 posts) - - Show Bio

Because we like both characters a lot. We like making our favorites fight each other.

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#39 Posted by GhostRavage (13952 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: Hey genius, i was making a point that it doesn't matter how much you weight... but the strength you have. Read my comment again... *facepalm*

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#40 Posted by XImpossibruX (5747 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: What? The Strength of Superman is how much he lifts, and he lifted that weight. And guess what... that shows his incredible strength, and shows that he's way stronger then Hulk.

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#41 Edited by GhostRavage (13952 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: Dude stop acting like an angry child and read what im about to explain. The OP mentioned Hulk weights about 1 ton. The he mentioned the weight of the Earth, claiming that Superman can beat anyone that doesn't have that weight. Obviously Superman could lift Hulk, and Hulk could lift Superman given the fact Superman weights around 230 pounds. My point is this... Does it matter? I mean... The weight of the character when fighting against another one? He's comparing Hulk weights with the Earth weights for F sakes!

Its incredible how pissed and short minded fanboys are. I've never argue nor refuted that Superman isn't a top comic powerhouse yet you come here and tell me that he can do this and that. Chill the F out and try to understand the message of the comments before jumping like a little jealous girl on someone that wasn't attacking nor insulting anyone.

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#42 Edited by fiodestromus (1626 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Dude this is a thread on "why" the two always are argued.

I am not trying to argue.Nor did I make an argument.

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#43 Edited by terry2012 (9302 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: That only when Superman flying, but not when he is fighting. He only sonic speed, but still too fast for the Hulk who could not tag spider-man.

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#44 Posted by AngryHulks (3365 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: That only when Superman flying, but not when he is fighting. He only sonic speed, but still too fast for the Hulk who could not tag spider-man.

Superman have perfect control over his body movement even when he's running at Mach 9000 or 1% the speed of light. In other depiction, he's capable of snatching a toddler in a matter of nanosecond, since it took several nanoseconds for a photon to cross 1 meter, Superman crossed probably hundreds of meter in nanosecond, which indicate that he can go just under light speed. (Superman once made a claim that he is almost as fast as light).

However, Hulk have tagged Quicksilver and somehow beat up several powerhouses with super speed many times in the past. While that is far from enough to content with Superman, Hulk have a chance under circumstance where Superman hold back his speed, just like how Hulk manage to beat up Gladiator who is as fast as Superman.

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#45 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2548 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Dude this is a thread on "why" the two always are argued.

I am not trying to argue.Nor did I make an argument.

Ok, as long as we all know Hulk loses. Sorry for thinking you were trying to make an argument. My fault.

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#46 Posted by terry2012 (9302 posts) - - Show Bio

@angryhulks: I do know, and that only sonic speed, not speed of light. Sonic speed is measure in Mach and light speed is measure in something different. So it is not 1% of speed of light, but 1% of mach (supersonic). Other wise Flash would not be able to make him look like a statue, and Jay Garrick is faster than Superman which is by the way, is the slowest flash. Nanosecond reaction time speed is only still supersonic speed. Yes I know about superman claim, but that same claim is debunk by Batman and Woman. Superman does not automatically goes Light speed, he have to build up to it, and this when he is flying, so that means he can not move at that speed right of way. This is proven in the comic twice about Superman fighting speed, 1) with the Race he had with Wally West, and 2) with Batman and Wonder woman explaining Superman Speed when he claim that he is FTL. They tell him that it is only when he is flying, but when it comes to combat speed he is not, in truth, Wonder Woman in combat speed is faster than Superman. Superman ask Batman to break the tie, Batman tell Superman that he really do not want to hear the answer.

Superman ask Batman again. Batman answer him in a question, saying, who is faster in running Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt?, and then he ask him in a different question but kinda similar, who is faster in combat speed Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt? Then Superman said I get it now. You see, Travel speed is not the same as combat speed. It just like Silver Surfer without his surfer board. There is a Superman respectable thread on here that explains his speed, and probably better than I can.

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#47 Edited by AngryHulks (3365 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012 said:

@angryhulks: I do know, and that only sonic speed, not speed of light. Sonic speed is measure in Mach and light speed is measure in something different. So it is not 1% of speed of light, but 1% of mach (supersonic). Other wise Flash would not be able to make him look like a statue, and Jay Garrick is faster than Superman which is by the way, is the slowest flash. Nanosecond reaction time speed is only still supersonic speed. Yes I know about superman claim, but that same claim is debunk by Batman and Woman. Superman does not automatically goes Light speed, he have to build up to it, and this when he is flying, so that means he can not move at that speed right of way. This is proven in the comic twice about Superman fighting speed, 1) with the Race he had with Wally West, and 2) with Batman and Wonder woman explaining Superman Speed when he claim that he is FTL. They tell him that it is only when he is flying, but when it comes to combat speed he is not, in truth, Wonder Woman in combat speed is faster than Superman. Superman ask Batman to break the tie, Batman tell Superman that he really do not want to hear the answer.

Superman ask Batman again. Batman answer him in a question, saying, who is faster in running Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt?, and then he ask him in a different question but kinda similar, who is faster in combat speed Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt? Then Superman said I get it now. You see, Travel speed is not the same as combat speed. It just like Silver Surfer without his surfer board. There is a Superman respectable thread on here that explains his speed, and probably better than I can.

I never think Superman is faster-than-light, but I strongly stick to the idea that he's just below the speed of light.

Nanosecond is reasonable time interval for light speed measurement, it took 3 nanoseconds for light to cross 1 meter, sound would take 0.003 seconds to cross the same distance, that's not even microsecond, let alone nanosecond. Superman have reacted and move in matters of nanosecond as I describe in my previous post.

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Why bring up acceleration, everything have acceleration, it's just slow or fast.

Check up on panel where Superman is trying to outrace Flash again, they're going at the speed of 2,000 miles/second, which is Mach 9459 or about 1.07% the speed of light, and yet he can still avoid running through cars and building, it's definitely not a travel speed. And in the next few panel, they're even going faster.

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Flash can go faster-than-light, so I'm not surprise he could turn even light-speeder into statue.

Jay Garrick speed-steal Superman because he isn't getting anywhere under his own speed while catching Wally (Superman is getting an upper hand as well). In fact, Superman's running speed in theory is only few cm/second slower than Garrick.

I know travel speed is not equal to combat speed, you don't need to ask me about that. Operable speed means speed that you can still control your body perfectly.

Superman counter-blitz Wonder Woman more than what Wonder Woman claim, in fact, I have many scans that support that Wonder Woman is just boasting.

I read that thread that is trying to claim that Superman's operable speed is only Mach 500 already, and I disagree because of the scan above.

Superman is faster than lightning, which even lower speed estimate is still too fast to be measured in Mach practically. I'm not attempting to claim that Superman is light-speed, but I want to debunk that Superman's speed should be measured in Mach.

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#48 Posted by Jnr6Lil (8723 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: Dude stop acting like an angry child and read what im about to explain. The OP mentioned Hulk weights about 1 ton. The he mentioned the weight of the Earth, claiming that Superman can beat anyone that doesn't have that weight. Obviously Superman could lift Hulk, and Hulk could lift Superman given the fact Superman weights around 230 pounds. My point is this... Does it matter? I mean... The weight of the character when fighting against another one? He's comparing Hulk weights with the Earth weights for F sakes!

Its incredible how pissed and short minded fanboys are. I've never argue nor refuted that Superman isn't a top comic powerhouse yet you come here and tell me that he can do this and that. Chill the F out and try to understand the message of the comments before jumping like a little jealous girl on someone that wasn't attacking nor insulting anyone.

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#49 Posted by TheSuperHuman (1310 posts) - - Show Bio

Under the right circumstance, Superman can win. Under the right circumstance, HULK can win. Both have fought ultimately powerful characters and won, so to say that either of these characters easily beats out the other is fairly wrong.

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#50 Edited by cooljammy18 (1484 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is superior to Hulk in pretty much everything. People make the argument that Hulk will eventually get stronger or strong enough to do harm to him. I don't buy it since Supes' upper-tier strength feats>Hulk's based off of what I've seen. Couple with his durability and speed, I don't see the Hulk beating him at all really, and that includes WWHulk.

Under the right circumstance, Superman can win. Under the right circumstance, HULK can win. Both have fought ultimately powerful characters and won, so to say that either of these characters easily beats out the other is fairly wrong.

Eh, if Superman was weaken in some way or Hulk was severly amped up by some outside force, I agree. I also agree that Superman isn't going to "stomp" the Hulk in anyway, but I find it very hard to believe the Hulk could defeat Superman in most circumstances unless it's the one I just said. Superman has more advantages to beat Hulk in more situations in my opinion.