Why adult Sasuke's susanoo can't split the ground, but Madara's can split mountains?

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#3  Edited By RedSuperNova

Because Ikemoto, unlike Kishi, doesn't care to draw large-scale destruction, nor does he care about appeasing to the "muh feats visual" fan boys on some power scaling forums.

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Ground had planet lv durability 😂😂

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Because Ikemoto, unlike Kishi, doesn't care to draw large-scale destruction, nor does he care about appeasing to the "muh feats visual" fan boys on some power scaling forums.

cope harder, he's just bad

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

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because burrito verse is just inferior

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#7  Edited By Heatforce

To be fair the madara/ hashi fight had a kaiju and master hands. Whipping out the PS when fighting a normal sized person could be a reason for the whole AP doesn't equal AoE.

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Because Burrito is terrible at everything, even powerscalling.

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#9  Edited By Kawaki

In-universe answer? Because Jigen vs Naruto and Sasuke happened in a sealing jar that was capable of sealing all of them with no possible way of them breaking out by sheer force.

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If it can contain two of the verse's strongest beings incapitated, then no wonder there couldn't be a lot of enviromental damage. Jigen was confident that he could seal both of them, but only opted to kill Sasuke because he could just escape with Space-time Ninjutsu.

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This is consistent with other borrito god tiers.

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@xebec: He could be the worst mangaka for all I care. Doesn't change one fact about what I said.

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = popo

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While On average I like the way ikemoto draws certain characters over kishimotos the fact is his backgrounds and fight choreography are trash

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@xebec: He could be the worst mangaka for all I care. Doesn't change one fact about what I said.

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = popo

no, him being bad is the explanation for how inconsistent and self-contradictory the franchise becomes in boruto

i mean it was bad in Naruto but boruto took it to the next level

my opinion = fax

ur opinion = creditless

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Madara

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Because DC doesn't matter only AP matters!!!

AP wise it's small planet level

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It’s because it’s a sequel series so the scaling is already set in stone. Boruto series as far as older characters are just backscaled from their previous Shippuden counterpart. Just like DBZ After 2 moon feats from Roshi and Piccolo, and the 3 planet feats from Anime Vegeta, Anime King Vegeta, Flashback Frieza first form, you really don’t get the same DC feats in fights anymore and everything relies on statements and AP. Why ? Because the scaling is already set in stone. So by the time of Android Saga characters like Android 18 and 17 were stronger than super saiyans at that time but never let out more than island level DC. Even piccolo in Android Saga DC is shown no where near the moon feats from beginning of series despite being much stronger in Android Saga. Boruto series is basically Naruto Series in the Android Saga. Both Kishimoto and Toriyama wanted to end the series after Frieza Saga / 4th war.

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It’s because it’s a sequel series so the scaling is already set in stone. Boruto series as far as older characters are just backscaled from their previous Shippuden counterpart. Just like DBZ After 2 moon feats from Roshi and Piccolo, and the 3 planet feats from Anime Vegeta, Anime King Vegeta, Flashback Frieza first form, you really don’t get the same DC feats in fights anymore and everything relies on statements and AP. Why ? Because the scaling is already set in stone. So by the time of Android Saga characters like Android 18 and 17 were stronger than super saiyans at that time but never let out more than island level DC. Even piccolo in Android Saga DC is shown no where near the moon feats from beginning of series despite being much stronger in Android Saga. Boruto series is basically Naruto Series in the Android Saga. Both Kishimoto and Toriyama wanted to end the series after Frieza Saga / 4th war.

the correct answer is because burrito verse is fodder

didn't you retire after me proving why madara stomps delta though?

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@madarauchiha30: Everything is fodder to a sad internet troll who gets boners for arguing with people about why whatever character X In the HST is ball room lv. And worry not why I retire worry about getting some air from under the bridge you live troll. I know it’s spring time and trolls usually come down from the mountains at this time of year for food and bait and to duplicate but I should not take away what is left of the Endangered species of trolls there’s only a few of them here and there

This is a good deed

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Because DC doesn't matter only AP matters!!!

AP wise it's small planet level

small planet AP can't even produce park level DC?

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LMAOOO at the amount of cope in this thread

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#25  Edited By lexa59

@vengefulparadox: The problem is still a lot of Retcanon. In Boruto, it was said that in order to recreate Shinju, you need to feed Juubi a live Ootsotsuki, and then who did Juubi feed, Kaguya that then eat the Fruit of Chakra? Also considering the moment that Juubi Obito was easily able to recreate Shinju and make a separate entity from Juubi. And this is only a small part of the plot holes.

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#27  Edited By DCEUFANSFODDER

@goku33 said:
@dceufansfodder said:

Because DC doesn't matter only AP matters!!!

AP wise it's small planet level

small planet AP can't even produce park level DC?

Yes...

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Because writers don't care about power levels 90% of the time.

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Goofy question with a simple answer.

the ground got stronger ofc.

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If Kishimoto wanted he could’ve just had them make them big feats in the movie since the first arc is literally Kishimoto blueprint. He could’ve gave them big booms like samurai 8 but Boruto is more of a AP series that backscales from past counterparts like Dragonball Z / GT. There’s no big booms in GT on the same tier as DBZ, despite GT being stronger via AP and statements.

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This is also fake ^ before anyone shits their pants

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Different writer, artist.

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Kishi confirmed AP would be more of a thing in Boruto and fights scaled down due to Kids

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Also Ikemoto now being the sole artist

Isn't the best at drawing fights and has health issues

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@animefreak1: Yeah man it’s evident when you have different tier battles. Like for instance comparing Boruto chapter 20-23 to comparing Boruto chapter 30-33 or comparing Boruto chapter 37-38 to Boruto chapter 40-43. Those battles are entirely different tiers.

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@animefreak1: Yeah man it’s evident when you have different tier battles. Like for instance comparing Boruto chapter 20-23 to comparing Boruto chapter 30-33 or comparing Boruto chapter 37-38 to Boruto chapter 40-43. Those battles are entirely different tiers.

Feats presented there, are literally no different

you are making distinctions so to suit your already existing headcanon.

Boruto damages momo no different to how he does shizuma, you just like momoshiki so you create some difference

that is not actually there

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#37  Edited By RDCDesmond

@nekonya: Those are entirely different battles. The tiers aren’t the same. Boruto Ch 20-23 is team 7 vs Ao compared to chapter 30-33 where it’s two god tiers vs each other (Naruto vs Delta)

What you posted is also two different characters Boruto is effecting. One of which scales massively above him, the other not so much. Shizuma was nearly defeated by Boruto wind style palm strike while fused momo shrugged it off and gripped him by neck popping his clone. Boruto clone effecting fused momo at this time is all PIS anyway Boruto is like city block lv in Chunin exams. But Him effecting Shizuma is more on his depths of water than god tiers. Since Boruto can personally battle shizuma, who is in his generation and close to his lv. But Boruto can’t personally battle Fused Momo nor Base, without PIS or heat of the moment bad writing being involved to nerf characters like momo from preventing them from rolfstomping in seconds, for sake of story of course.

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#38  Edited By NekoNya
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@nekonya: Those are entirely different battles. The tiers aren’t the same. Boruto Ch 20-23 is team 7 vs Ao compared to chapter 30-33 where it’s two god tiers vs each other (Naruto vs Delta)

What you posted is also two different characters Boruto is effecting. One of which scales massively above him, the other not so much. Shizuma was nearly defeated by Boruto wind style palm strike while fused momo shrugged it off and gripped him by neck. Boruto effecting fused momo at this time is all PIS anyway Boruto is like city block lv in Chunin exams maybe town lv if you scale him from part 1 Naruto unless he suffers from kid fohan rage boost moments where Boruto power skyrockets to god tiers in heat of the moments because he is son of Naruto and Hinata but not a big fan of this theory

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Never said, they were the same battle. only said that the same exact attacks do the same exact damage versus these characters so your tier argument is just made up to suit your own feelings on the matter

Naruto held back versus delta, Didt use kurama avatar or anything plus the point had nothing to do with her or the simps who stan for her.

Momo not a god tier, Gaara negged him. I thought you said that you would quit?

On damage control as the masses now no longer side with you?

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#39  Edited By RDCDesmond

@nekonya:

The same exact attacks do not do the same exact damage don’t even try it

Shizuma was damaged

Fused Momo wasn’t

Youd have to be idiotic to think fused momo is kid Boruto in Chunin exams lv

Fused Momo is moon to small planet lv base Boruto even with hype shouldn’t be more than city block lv as a Genin that just graduated and took chunin exams he didn’t have karma or any enhanced form that magically boost him to god tier status it’s PIS him doing anything to fused momo without his father helping

Tier argument is obvious when you have fights with kids who are city - multi city block to moon to small planet lv fighters that’s what kodaichi / Kishimoto means when they say fights feel smaller

Naruto held back his intention to kill her off with Rasengan.

It’s not like Naruto was only 10% and is 10 x stronger than delta. It’s essentially agreed most the time he was at least half power no less.

Momo is a god tier It’s hilariously impossible for him not to be.

Gaara is trash, a mere mid tier, probably only a little stronger than one tails Shukaku now, I’ll give him that. He is no where near momo. His sand block fused Momo casual strike but his body can’t tank fused Momo casual strike and was KO by fused Momo casual hits like other kages.

I retire from battles not lore talk I see a lot of morons have run amok in my leave. Nothing wrong with correcting lies.

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@rdcdesmond

The same exact attacks do not do the same exact damage don’t even try it

I showed, The wind rush attack which he does in pretty much every fight having the same effect on shizuma as it did momoshiki, What are you even talking about??

The vanishing rasengan can be used as way for placing in that same tiering but it didt have a direct parallel as did the previous attack shown.

Youd have to be idiotic to think fused momo is kid Boruto in Chunin exams lv

I dont see where the inconsistency would exist

Shikamaru and gaara legit neg him so yea clearly not kaguya lv almost like she was afraid of the entire clan not some fodders

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Tier argument is obvious when you have fights with kids who are city - multi city block to moon to small planet lv fighters that’s what kodaichi / Kishimoto means when they say fights feel smaller

you are viewing this in such a way where it only suits what you are feeling would be.

Not my opinion but the literal wording kishimoto uses there would be the scale will feel lower

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you are taking what clearly means to say things are going to get scaled down to mean the exact opposite, you are only seeing what you wanna see here and not what actually is being said at least with regards to the facts of the matter

Gaara is trash, a mere mid tier, probably only a little stronger than one tails Shukaku now, I’ll give him that. He is no where near momo. His sand block fused Momo casual strike but his body can’t tank fused Momo casual strike and was KO by fused Momo casual hits like other kages.

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Momoshiki factually was caught within gaara's grasp

He literally has to be relative to him else this scene makes no sense elsewise

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#41  Edited By RDCDesmond

@nekonya: The difference is the guys Boruto is attacking. One is small planet lv the other is city block lv. One was just in a fight with god tiers one ate a chakra fruit one has multiple statements putting him at such tier. The other is a low lv ninja watered down kisame walmart version and comparable to Yagura Grandson. Boruto managed to push away and damage city block Shizuma because he is in that tier as Boruto. Boruto doesnt harm fused momo nor push him off his feet he only makes him at stumble and even that is PIS. It’s city block Boruto no matter what he does it doesn’t fit his tier if it’s effecting fused momo unless another god tier (naruto rasengan) is helping him.

Shikamaru is trash and never reached a Biju lv. In fact he was almost killed in 4th war by Kinkaku who is a pseudo jinchuriki. Gaara is also trash and never got out of mountain lv. His body was KO and sent on a nap by casual blow from fused momo, as other kages were all given quick naps from fused momo casual blows

Of course if Kishimoto drew them stomping them from beginning there probably would be nothing for trolls like you to live off of in threads

If Kishi wanted he could’ve just had kages come to dimension just to be collateral damage but then there is no convo with Boruto and Naruto and there is no way for fused momo to flex his powers from eating Kinshiki kages were just diversions

Jesus does kishi need to have them draw stuff like this just for you guys to be spoon fed scaling because statements isnt enough lol

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But ones with common sense know the true scaling

We don’t have to see things repeated for the light bulb to go off in our head to make sense of things

When you get older your brain and process of thinking becomes better you will one day look back and think of your proposals and comments as incompetent

No matter how many alts you create all them boys are wrong on the matter

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They are in another dimension + different artists use different art styles and elements.

Also, just because when a certain ability is highlighted for the first time and every detail is portrayed, doesn't mean the writer/ artist is gonna put the same emphasis on its details for the 794918159th time every time it is displayed.

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@kawaki said:

In-universe answer? Because Jigen vs Naruto and Sasuke happened in a sealing jar that was capable of sealing all of them with no possible way of them breaking out by sheer force.

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If it can contain two of the verse's strongest beings incapitated, then no wonder there couldn't be a lot of enviromental damage. Jigen was confident that he could seal both of them, but only opted to kill Sasuke because he could just escape with Space-time Ninjutsu.

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honestly forgot they were in a pot lmao

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#44  Edited By NekoNya

@rdcdesmond

The difference is the guys Boruto is attacking. One is small planet lv the other is city block lv.

Momo cant be planet level and have facts of the series remain consistent so this is a non point less you think shikmaru,boruto and gaara are all of that same lv too??

one ate a chakra fruit one has multiple statements putting him at such tier. The other is a low lv ninja watered down kisame walmart version

Chakra fruits that were said as fodder compared to kaguya's, What's your point?

Are you telling me that kinshiki was lying to momo when saying that earth's chaka fruit is beyond average and as such must be reported to the clan??

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Boruto managed to push away and damage city block Shizuma because he is in that tier as Boruto.

Same verbatim happened to momoshiki yet somehow he's not also city block lv

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fused momo, as other kages were all given quick naps from fused momo casual blows

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He verbatim had his attacks blocked by gaara

There was no causal no diffs happening on momoshiki's side and you cant prove one lick of what you say per the usual really

Of course if Kishimoto drew them stomping them from beginning there probably would be nothing for trolls like you to live off of in threads

Stay mad that im to disagree with you, salty as ever

Momo is still darui lv.

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Fodder tier

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No matter how many alts you create all them boys are wrong on the matter

Of whom, Would i be a alt of

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Because Boruto by actual feats is fodder despite in-Universe they theoretically still scaling to Shippuuden's high DC.

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#47  Edited By RDCDesmond

@nekonya: I could’ve sworn I said small planet lv not planet lv

- Shikamaru nor Gaara have nothing to do with Momoshiki scaling there’s no statements that put them on god tier lv as a matter of fact both are beneath random Biju lv so it’s kind of idiotic to put them on a pedastal with momo

- Boruto never damaged fused momo, make him bleed, he only pushed him back a few inches and even that is PIS considering base Boruto at the time was only city block lv

- Chakra fruit is a whole planet of energy and it doesn’t have to be the same number as Kaguya for him to be small planet lv what the hell do you think you get from a chakra fruit ? Mountain lv lol don’t be a fool it’s a entire planet regardless

- Gaara blocking casual blow from fused momo but Gaara actual body one tap by casual blow it just means Gaara sand can take one casual blow from the ladder as you can see later Gaara struggle with Urashiki who is fodder he and Shikamaru are anti fans go to for lowballing because anti fans lack common sense and can’t seem to differ legitimacy and outliers / PIS

And if I see you talk and walk like dbzfan44 I will claim that as it to be

Since man’s has multiple alts that lowballs Boruto on a daily bases