Who's the best H2H fighter in all of comics (solely based on feats)?

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Statements such as "Wonder Woman is the best fighter in the world" don't apply.

Title say's it.

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#2  Edited By nickzambuto

For clarity, Batman never said Wonder Woman is the most skilled fighter in the world. He said something along the lines of her being the best melee fighter or most dangerous melee fighter, which can be interpreted as taking into account her Superman-level physicals in addition to significant training. In the context of that scene, the JLA were all in stasis by some aliens and Batman had to choose only one to free and assist him, so he chose Wonder Woman because she is the most efficient.

Anyway my answer is Son Goku. I will eagerly defend this choice against anyone who is dubious.

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It's a bit hard to determine skill by pure feats. I'd say Gamora is the at the top though.

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@all-father: Batman...

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Its hard to say. There is no real answer.

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Karate Kid beat kryptonians in hand to hand and he is just a human.

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@all-father: to be clear, we are discounting stats and only focusing on skill?

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@arkbound said:

@all-father: to be clear, we are discounting stats and only focusing on skill?

Both, but mainly feats.

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@all-father: What do you classify as feats? Because at the end of the day you really only have how much knowledge a particular character has, how much fodder they can fight, and then scale other characters based on who beats who.

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@all-father: What do you classify as feats? Because at the end of the day you really only have how much knowledge a particular character has, how much fodder they can fight, and then scale other characters based on who beats who.

Anything that has been happened in the characters titles, excluding PIS.

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@all-father: That doesn't really answer my question sorry. You're saying feats only and no statements, but how much martial arts knowledge a character knows are statements, unless you mean no character statements? Or only quantifiable statements?

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@all-father: That doesn't really answer my question sorry. You're saying feats only and no statements, but how much martial arts knowledge a character knows are statements, unless you mean no character statements? Or only quantifiable statements?

Sorry for that, as i said in the OP statements don't qualify.

Such as "Batman Knows 127 Martial Arts" is a non factor here.

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@all-father: I mean if you exclude that, then you really have nothing to go off other than how much fodder a character can beat and then scaling from there. You have moments like Daredevil defeating 107 Yakuza members by himself, half of which were enhanced, or you have moments like Batman defeating a similar amount of armed guards by himself, but at the end of the day these are just mostly featless fodder.

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@all-father said:
@pipxeroth said:

@all-father: That doesn't really answer my question sorry. You're saying feats only and no statements, but how much martial arts knowledge a character knows are statements, unless you mean no character statements? Or only quantifiable statements?

Sorry for that, as i said in the OP statements don't qualify.

Such as "Batman Knows 127 Martial Arts" is a non factor here.

Batman has actually given Batgirl a DVD with all 127 martial arts on it for her to learn though, so that is more than just a statement.

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This is a Brickwall topic.

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@jayc1324: It's not a case of not believing the statements though, like I don't think anybody doubts that Batman has mastered 127 martial arts, it's a case of what the hell counts as a skill feat, and the answer is who knows.

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Batgirl-Cassandra Cain

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@yarva: That's who I wanted to say as well. But there isn't enough proof to back it up.

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@yarva: That is a really great option, my only thing is that she has lost to Lady Shiva before so it's hard to say that she is definitely the best.

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@jayc1324:

Cassy is amazingly talented however. Ultimately I agree however.

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@naamah_obyzouth: Now that I think about it, it will be hard to find a character who has never lost, so maybe it shouldn't be held against her

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@jayc1324 said:

@naamah_obyzouth: Now that I think about it, it will be hard to find a character who has never lost, so maybe it shouldn't be held against her

Of course not. Being the best doesn't mean that you're undefeated. It just means that you're better than everyone else.

I don't think there is a martial artist that is undefeated. Even Shiva has been beaten a few times. Back to Cassie though, I've seen her destroy Ravager who has precog. I've seen her fight Deathstroke among others at the same time. I've seen Batwoman and Batman say that Cassie would beat them 1 on 1. And that's just off the top of my head.

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Daredevil.

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#25  Edited By majinn4

If we are talking purely feats then I would say Karate Kid by a landslide.

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#26  Edited By AbstractRaze

One can't put everything inside a bag, there are variations.

Best H2H Technique:

1. Wonder Woman (DC)

2. Goku, Vegeta, Hit, etc... (DB)

3. Genos, Boros (OPM)

4. Spider-man, Deadpool (Marvel)

5. Batman (DC)

6. Maito Gai, Sasuke (Naruto), Black Panther (Marvel)

7. Yourichi, Soifon (Bleach)

etc...

Fastest H2H:

1. The Flash (DC), Saitama (OPM)

2. Shazam (DC)

3. Superman (DC), Wonder Woman(DC), Beerus, Goku, Vegeta, etc.. (DB), Boros (OPM)

4. Quicksilver (Marvel)

5. Genos (OPM)

6. Killua (HxH),

7. Soifon (Bleach)

etc...

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#27  Edited By Naamah_Obyzouth

Karate Kid, most likely.

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#28  Edited By MajinBlackheart  Moderator

It's a bit hard to determine skill by pure feats. I'd say Gamora is the at the top though.

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#31  Edited By Naamah_Obyzouth

@midnightdragon18: It's my understanding that he has defeated most of the best fighters from the DCU, with ease.

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Should be Karate Kid by light years.

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I'll give it to either Gone or Karate Kid.

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The OP is way too vague

Is this restricted to normal humans? Are superpowers allowed? Are fantasy martial arts that amp normal humans allowed (Street Fighter, DragonBall, etc)?

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@jayc1324 said:

@yarva: That is a really great option, my only thing is that she has lost to Lady Shiva before so it's hard to say that she is definitely the best.

True that she lost to Shiva, but then she came back from the dead, trained some more, gotten over her psychological issues and beat Shiva back :D

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@midnightdragon18: Well he is just a human and he can fight Superhumans with his own developed form of MMA known as Super-Karate. He is also reported to have Mastered every martial art from the 31st century, including some from other worlds. He is a time traveling, martial art learning sponge basically.

And Supermans fortress of solitudes computer ranked KK at level 15 fighter, whereas Batman was at level 12. So thats 3 levels higher than Batman in H2H. Not sure how accurate or definitive those results are however.

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#42  Edited By midnightdragon18

@darthsenju: Based on ?

@naamah_obyzouth said:

@midnightdragon18: Well he is just a human and he can fight Superhumans with his own developed form of MMA known as Super-Karate. He is also reported to have Mastered every martial art from the 31st century, including some from other worlds. He is a time traveling, martial art learning sponge basically.

And Supermans fortress of solitudes computer ranked KK at level 15 fighter, whereas Batman was at level 12. So thats 3 levels higher than Batman in H2H. Not sure how accurate or definitive those results are however.

Batman does that on regular basis

i was more interested in if he had skill feat that no one else could replicate

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