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Poll: Who is more skilled combat wise, MCU Thor or DCEU Wonder Woman? (116 votes)

Thor 54%
Wonder Woman 47%

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#1 Posted by jashugan (6072 posts) - - Show Bio

They're equal in terms of movie fighting skill

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#2 Edited by BatmanPlusJay (3876 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like WW is more skilled because she knows how to use more weapons than Thor. Idk if there's skill involved in swinging a hammer.

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#3 Posted by Gamer-Guy (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

the one who fought warS

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#4 Posted by DammeFavour (8289 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana easily. Inb4 someone brings up the shield agents

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#5 Posted by Alsimmons77 (1556 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like WW is more skilled because she knows how to use more weapons than Thor. Idk if there's skilled involved in swinging a hammer.

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#6 Posted by Lan_Fan (12680 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither is particularly impressive in skill department, but I'm going with Diana.

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#7 Edited by KyleBroflovski (782 posts) - - Show Bio

The Amazon is more skilled by far. Thor only knows drunken haymakers.

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#8 Posted by BruceRogers (17172 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor has shown more skill.

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#9 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15364 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana obviously.

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#10 Edited by Amcu (16219 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor obviously if we're going by feats. He outskilled 3 Asgardians at once who are excellent fighters.

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#11 Posted by Gazool (1229 posts) - - Show Bio

@amcu said:

Thor obviously if we're going by featss. He outskilled 3 Asgardians at once who are excellent fighters.

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#12 Posted by Tenguswordsman (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor Odinson.

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#13 Posted by King-Ragnar (3730 posts) - - Show Bio

@gazool said:
@amcu said:

Thor obviously if we're going by featss. He outskilled 3 Asgardians at once who are excellent fighters.

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#14 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana, she can fight with sword, bow and hand to hand without having to rely on an powerful magic item. Thor is a good brawler.

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#15 Posted by Marishtar (2036 posts) - - Show Bio

It's not as clear-cut as in the comics(where it's Wondy >>> Thor in terms of skill), but still Wondy with Thor just being a good brawler.

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#16 Edited by MorbusGrav (1149 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:

They're equal in terms of movie fighting skill

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#17 Edited by Mr_Shazam0920 (4116 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour: Diana easily? Who has she outskilled, if I might ask?

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#18 Posted by Thought_Robot (747 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana with a little difference ...

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#19 Posted by Gamer-Guy (3354 posts) - - Show Bio

@gazool said:
@amcu said:

Thor obviously if we're going by featss. He outskilled 3 Asgardians at once who are excellent fighters.

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#20 Posted by rogueshadow (29168 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

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#21 Posted by deltahuman (4969 posts) - - Show Bio

We haven't really seen Diana do an H2H battle.

Weapons proficiency definitely and irrefutably goes to Diana.

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#22 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

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#23 Posted by Emanresu_20 (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor held back some Me who solo’d an Army. Him by a county mile.

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#24 Posted by Red_Ruby_Petal (8030 posts) - - Show Bio

It makes more sense to say Diana given her character but her showing against Doomsday didn't make it feel like she was much.

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#25 Posted by Michaelbn (2338 posts) - - Show Bio

Both need feats in H2H and weapons combat, honestly? They don't have that much but since Thor have more movies I'm with him, statements doesn't work here.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-5c1da3ef735f9 (137 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana certainly is more flashy but in terms of pure skill, I can see an argument for either one. Still leaning a bit more into Diana for the time being, the MCU hasn't done much in regards to Thor's skill as it has to Cap.

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#27 Posted by Chimeroid (9228 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana was fighting multiple amazons while being peppered with projectiles from a distance. She beat one without even looking at her.

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#28 Edited by WastelandMan (8779 posts) - - Show Bio

If we’re going by feats then Thor. People never seem to remember Thor taking down a large number of SHIELD agents while completely depowered. Those agents were stated to be some of the most highly trained in the world.

Diana has never fought anyone without her powers so we don’t know how much of what she does is her skill and how much are her stats.

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#29 Posted by DammeFavour (8289 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_shazam0920: because Thor has consistently been a brawler and basically just hits stuff with a hammer. Fighting hulk doesn't really require skill, just speed, ask blonsky

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#30 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor made "some of the most highly trained professionals in the world look like a couple of minimum wage mall cops", while depowered, unarmed, and outnumbered. WW defeated multiple poorly trained human WW1 era soldiers with better gear, the element of surprise, massively better stats, and she was going all out.

Thor defeated multiple superhuman Asgardians warriors who can fodderize Dark Elves, all while outnumbered, unarmed, and holding back severely. WW defeated a handful of Amazons while training together. WW had her full gear and the Amazons have no feats whatsoever besides being stomped by paredemons and the aforementioned German soldiers despite having the element of surprise in the latter encounter.

Looking at their feats side by side it is clear that Thor is far more skilled than WW. Thor even managed to stomp Hulk, a character with superior stats, while holding back.

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#31 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_shazam0920: because Thor has consistently been a brawler and basically just hits stuff with a hammer. Fighting hulk doesn't really require skill, just speed, ask blonsky

Blonsky? Are you referring to the former special-ops commando with the British Royal Marines?

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#32 Posted by lubub55 (12875 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor clearly.

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#33 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4116 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour: you didn’t answer my question... but nice straw man.

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#34 Posted by Essem (263 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana has shown more "martial arts" type of skills. Thor is typically more of a brawler in my eyes, the type you see fighting outside of a night club who has been in a few fights before just with massive stats.
Has Thor ever shown skill on this level?

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#36 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4116 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour: yes I absolutely do, I asked “who has Diana outskilled” and your answer was Thor fighting Hulk.

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#37 Edited by DammeFavour (8289 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderprince: yea I'm talking about the guy that was jumping around evading hulk's hits and pushing back with his legs to evade the car parts hulk wanted to kill him with. He wasn't using his royal marine skills in that instance just speed

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#38 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderprince: yea I'm talking about the guy that was jumping around evading hulk's hits and pushing back with his legs the evade the cat parts hulk wanted to kill him with. He wasn't using his royal marine skills in that instance just speed

I could say the same about every scene involving WW.

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#39 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

@essem said:

Diana has shown more "martial arts" type of skills. Thor is typically more of a brawler in my eyes, the type you see fighting outside of a night club who has been in a few fights before just with massive stats.

Has Thor ever shown skill on this level?

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Yes, he has. In fact he managed to defeat three superhuman Asgardian warriors while unarmed, outnumbered and holding back severely. And he managed to remain untagged throughout the entire fight. Keep in mind, Asgardian warriors can foddersize Dark Elves in h2h combat.

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#40 Posted by jashugan (6072 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderprince: those gifs don't show that either Wonder Woman or Thor have skill above the other.

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#41 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio
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@thunderprince: those gifs don't show that either Wonder Woman or Thor have skill above the other.

Why? Thor defeated multiple superhuman opponents despite multiple disadvantages and was not tagged once. Wonder Woman defeated a single less powerful opponent with no disadvantages and was tagged multiple times.

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#42 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor by feats.

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#43 Posted by jashugan (6072 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderprince: beating people up that are barely showcasing any fighting skill while you're barely showcasing fighting skill isn't being "skilled in combat". In a real fight, a 3 v 1 means all those asgardians would stab thor all at once or jump on him. That's what actually happens when multiple people fight one person, they don't take turns to fight like movies do. They don't wait for thor to beat up their partner before they attack him.

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#44 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: You are arguing about choreography, I'm talking about what the Director was trying to convey. Using your argument the characters with the best choreography would be the most skilled.

Since we are arguing completely different points, it does not make sense to continue.

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#45 Edited by jashugan (6072 posts) - - Show Bio

@thunderprince: the choreography is bad, but we're talking about movie characters here so the choreography matters a lot just like in a comic how the fight is drawn matters a lot. If the choreography is bad then their "skill" is bad. The director conveyed that Thor is a better fighter than mook asgardians by having mook asgardians fight like idiots and Thor fighting like an idiot.

Of course the characters with the best fight choreography would likely be the most "skilled" live action fighters. Those fighters from the raid movies are far better fighters than almost every superhero movie character.

Even Batman from just the warehouse fight scene puts his fight skill above nearly all live action comicbook characters because that fight was handled far better than the shitty Thor gif you posted and the other shitty Wonder Woman gif the other user posted. Same thing for Captain America being a better fighter than both Wonder Woman and Thor. Granted, this doesn't mean these characters would beat a Wonder Woman or Thor (they're severely lacking in physical stats) but they are clearly better fighters from those instances.

It's also why it's useless to say things like Bucky or Cap have beat characters that use guns when these characters that use guns are so stupid that they don't pull the trigger as quickly as real life humans would, or they keep aiming at captain america's big ass shield or bucky's hand.

I think we're arguing about the same thing, you're just using some rather poor evidence for it. Just saying "x character beat y characters and y characters are "skilled"" isn't a very good argument when you see the actual context behind the fight.

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#46 Posted by ThunderPrince (6924 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan: Wow, that was a well thought out and thought provoking post. So do you think that the director's intent has any baring on how skilled a character is?

On topic: Would not Thor still be more skilled since he fought more "mooks" than WW did without getting hit once?

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#47 Edited by jashugan (6072 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, that was a well thought out and thought provoking post. So do you think that the director's intent has any baring on how skilled a character is?

On topic: Would not Thor still be more skilled since he fought more "mooks" than WW did without getting hit once?

I don't think Thor is more skilled, I believe he's even with Wonder Woman. They've both fought mooks without being hit. They're both the peak of their race, etc.

The director has shown that they're both better than everyone else from their race, but on closer analysis and having any bit of standards, you can tell a lot of their race really doesn't know how to fight and they just have flashy hollywood stuff.

The good thing about lower powered superheroes is that it kinda forces directors to go the route of having things like martial arts or making characters fight in a manner that would be more effective in real life. Only sometimes, you still have crap like black widow dancing around.

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#48 Posted by Stormdriven (17708 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor, and it isn’t close

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#49 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (9284 posts) - - Show Bio

@gamer-guy: Both?

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#50 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11559 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana beat German Soldiers

Thor’s got nothing that can compete with this