Which iconic hero is better in terms of abilities,personality,deeds,stories and anything else in their life
@thewatcherking: I believe so. It places far too much weight on All Might in general and devalues his allies. He believes in his own hype and will go to any length to protect his reputation, despite many in the pro hero community already knowing he was a ticking time bomb. (Which is also troubling because no one bothered to step up to be the number 1 hero) It's self destructive, far past altruistic; his allies clearly don't want him to get killed so when his powers conk out he has to be rescued.
Continuing with that theme that he lead everyone on to believe that he was still the top hero when he's actually terminal, now there's no plan in place for his downfall. Since he let people believe he was A-OK, they didn't have a backup plan to fill in his place should he suddenly be unable to act. (Something they address during the provisional exams) Because he lied and made people think that would never happen. Now they have to deal with the chasm wide hole he left in their plans of "rely on All Might" that could have been avoided if he just stopped lying.
In other words, he damned everyone by leading them on with false hope. All for (one) his ego.
This is terrible.
A similar parallel is during New 52 when Superman contracted the Doomsday Virus and had a death aura around him destroying all life and yet the idiot kept trying to come back and play hero anyway which ended up doing more harm than good (yes I love Superman but man this was an awful arc for him)
@biswaboxz said:
Goku is far too reckless and bloodthirsty for a fight as opposed to actually ending conflict
Why would u say that ? I believe he cares about his friends and he likes to fight with good opponents so that he could become a better fighter . I can't really see how u characterize Goku like that .
Why does good opponent have to mean planet threatening space monster?
Also Goku threw his young son into the ring with Perfect Cell and gave Cell a Senzu bean. I repeat he gave a beast with intent to destroy all life on the planet a full healing Senzu, so he could fight his son at full strength because he wanted to live vicariously through his son fighting. And said this
When the Earth or at the very least Earth's inhabitants are at stake. He does this crap all the time it's like he doesn't have a damn brain.
Say what you want about him caring about his friends and what not but don't overlook the fact that he'll sell everyone out on a gamble for his love of fighting.
@biswaboxz said:
Goku is far too reckless and bloodthirsty for a fight as opposed to actually ending conflict
Why would u say that ? I believe he cares about his friends and he likes to fight with good opponents so that he could become a better fighter . I can't really see how u characterize Goku like that .
Why does good opponent have to mean planet threatening space monster?
Also Goku threw his young son into the ring with Perfect Cell and gave Cell a Senzu bean. I repeat he gave a beast with intent to destroy all life on the planet a full healing Senzu, so he could fight his son at full strength because he wanted to live vicariously through his son fighting. And said this
When the Earth or at the very least Earth's inhabitants are at stake. He does this crap all the time it's like he doesn't have a damn brain.
Say what you want about him caring about his friends and what not but don't overlook the fact that he'll sell everyone out on a gamble for his love of fighting.
If u think believing in his son that he would be a better fighter and person(who cares about his friends) than him is wrong then my friend I don't know how can I explain to u how much he loves and respect his friends that he was willing to gave up his life when Cell was going to blow himself up .
And for the record Cell challenged a Martial Art tournament , therefore he had shown courtesy towards his opponents whether they blood thirsty and cunning or not .... ....
Goku was not a perfect character because he was reckless and somehow that cost him his friends sometimes but that was the point of becoming hero that they should have flaws is that they would become a better person and fighter .
Goku always realized that before hand therefore he respected all of his foes whether they are planet eating monsters or not .....
@thewatcherking: I believe so. It places far too much weight on All Might in general and devalues his allies. He believes in his own hype and will go to any length to protect his reputation, despite many in the pro hero community already knowing he was a ticking time bomb. (Which is also troubling because no one bothered to step up to be the number 1 hero) It's self destructive, far past altruistic; his allies clearly don't want him to get killed so when his powers conk out he has to be rescued.
Continuing with that theme that he lead everyone on to believe that he was still the top hero when he's actually terminal, now there's no plan in place for his downfall. Since he let people believe he was A-OK, they didn't have a backup plan to fill in his place should he suddenly be unable to act. (Something they address during the provisional exams) Because he lied and made people think that would never happen. Now they have to deal with the chasm wide hole he left in their plans of "rely on All Might" that could have been avoided if he just stopped lying.
In other words, he damned everyone by leading them on with false hope. All for (one) his ego.
This is terrible.
A similar parallel is during New 52 when Superman contracted the Doomsday Virus and had a death aura around him destroying all life and yet the idiot kept trying to come back and play hero anyway which ended up doing more harm than good (yes I love Superman but man this was an awful arc for him)
In some fairness, we see throughout MHA how much of an impact All Might had on the world's safety. Crime rates dropped, organized crime like the Yakuza became practically non-existent, numerous people wanted to be heroes because they were inspired by his ideal, and, though he suffered a crippling injury from it, he did destroy everything All For One built up. There was definitely hubris in trying to still be the number 1 hero while he's slowly getting weaker, but I'd argue that was due more out of fear than ego. All Might felt like the safety and security of the world rested on his shoulders, mostly because that was his goal since he was a teenager, to be the pillar. It was a burden he told the world he and he alone would take on. In his fear of failing, instead of doing as you said he should and not letting the world go on with false hope, which is certainly one way that fear could lead him, he tried even harder to not fail.
All Might had a flawed mentality, but it's not one I'd call un-heroic.
He wasn't hiding his injury out of fear of losing his reputation, his position, or having other heroes surpass him. He hid it because he didn't want to let the world down and shatter that sense of safety and security. Yes, that still happened after his final battle with All For One, that's why it's a flawed mindset he had. But his reasons still matter.
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