Who has the faster live action combat speed/reaction times, CW or MCU?

Green Arrow solos

My boy Ollie is pretty good at reacting to stuff. Loki has arrow catching feats but that's it, overall I would give the edge to CW, but it's not a stomp, MCU has aim dodgers too.

I mean. CW has multiple speedsters who have some pretty insane reaction time and combat speed feats when they aren't made into jobbers.

This whole thing is really stupid. This is like saying DCEU dead shot can lift more than MCU captain marvel just because captain marvel hasn't made an appearance but you can pretty much guarantee that won't be the case.

@saberscar223: He can. She hasn't shown any feats yet. Lol. That's just how it works. MCU is a different universe from 616 so there's no reason to think that just cause they are really strong there, they're strong here as well. We determine power levels by feats. Otherwise MCU Thor would have been looked at as someone powerful and not a joke lol

@liqmidiq: so MCU black widow is officially stronger than DCEU black Adam and Shazam.

yes

he just said until they get feats we can't say anything about their strength, except they probably will be stronger when they get feats

@saberscar223:

Those characters don't really exist yet as they haven't had an appearance. That's kind of a silly comparison to try to make.

Street Levellers CW, they have more street levellers who can react to arrows and the like.

Go up a bit and it's MCU with people like Iron Man and SW reacting to things way faster than that.

Obviously CW's speedsters are faster.

@metaljimmor: just like saying just because we haven't seen Spider-Man catch an arrow doesn't mean he can't.

Except we have no evidence Spidey can catch an arrow right now. We go by feats. And Oliver's speed feats are better than anyone except Quicksilver/Yo-Yo in the MCU.

That's like saying that just because DCEU Superman hasn't shattered a moon doesn't mean he can't. That's technically true, and based on other media adaptations, but there's no evidence to suggest he can in-universe.

Maybe Spidey'll be faster by Homecoming, but right now he doesn't have the feats.

@shazam99: I really think you should listen to your self. Say outloud green arrow has better reflexes than Spider-Man.

CW Oliver Queen has the best reflex feats of any street leveler/peak human from either universe, and it's not even close.

@saberscar223: he has better reaction FEATS than spiderman

@shazam99: I do understand what you are saying though but it just doesn't make sense. We know what his basic power set is we may not know the limit but you guys are making it sound like you'd bet money that arrow has better reflexes. Hell I could probably do what arrow did with enough practice.

Say out loud that Superman is stronger than Thanos. Not true in comic book, but completely true when comparing DCEU Clark with MCU Thanos. And yes, Green Arrow does have better reflexes than Spiderman until and unless shown otherwise.

@rbt: Ok guys I think it's ridiculous to think Spider-Man doesn't have fast reflexes. Just because I haven't got an a plane and went to Asia doesn't mean I don't have the ability to. But I'll hush up now sorry for seeming a fool.

Isn't there a scan of MCU Spider-Man dodging bullets from an official tie in comic?

@uugieboogie: it's contradicted by the movie

Yes. He was aim dodging though. And Falcon is not best of the shots.

@rbt: @saberscar223: @DammeFavour: @thesuperor: @liqmidiq: @shazam99: @theworthythor:

Would it be possible to get some feats posted? Some links to high end feats would be nice. I can get around to making gifs of them eventually

I was hoping we could compile all the feats in one place to directly compare them

No, of course it's not possible. You dare claim that VineForce Ollie doesn't have FTL+ reactions, and couldn't stomp movie Ozymandias, MCU Daredevil and DCEU Batman all at the same time? You dare?!?!?!?!?! It's common knowledge!!!!

How can you tell he was aim dodging?

I'll say CW because of crossover Savage and Steel.

I think Steel's very far above street-level, but Savage is a good point.

If Ollie doesn't solo this, which I think he certainly does, Vandal should no question.

That's the default assumption unless the scan says otherwise.

Definitely this.

@rbt: how can you call something aim dodging if the person isn't even looking at the shooter?

They literally drew SM with his eyes turned away from Falcon while flipping around automatic/rocket launcher fire

Also Falcon is not a bad shot

I don't think anyone but the MCU speedsters can even match Oliver. So I geuss he solos this pretty easily.

That's without Vandal Savage, who's even faster. I'd also put Damien Darhk and Prometheus above anyone in the MCU but the speedsters.

If we went beyond street-levelers Steel, Ragman, Firestorm, Grodd, Dr Light, and many others are much faster. Then obviously most of the CW Speedsters are infinitely faster than anyone in the MCU, including their speedsters. Though both these scenarios are off-topic.

Overall, CW Street-Levelers are faster than anyone in the MCU but speedsters by a good degree.

My god Oliver is overrated I don't remember when Oliver became a speedster but sh*t I guess he is the fastest man alive. I wonder if the writers purposely focused on his reaction time just for comic vine

@webinyoureye11: Peter is swinging and Sam is missing. You don't have to look at shooter to aim dodge.

As for Sam, he's pretty unimpressive when compared to other live action shooters. Tagging a stationary guy with an Uzi is not impressive at all.

What if the bullets on the right were shot first when Pete was closest to Falcon, and the shots from the left were bullets fired after Pete made it more to the right of the panel?

I feel like those should be considered after images, cause it's not like they are drawing those for everyone

As for Sam, he's pretty unimpressive when compared to other live action shooters. Tagging a stationary guy with an Uzi is not impressive at all.

His target may have been stationary, but Sam wasn't. I don't recall many people drawing while turning, and hitting a target all in about a second, while also flying backwards

(edit) watching it again, the guy Falson shot was moving

Green Arrow. He reacted to Flash so he is as fast as him GG

@brucerogers: so oli can run 600 mph now? Lol

@webinyoureye11:

What if the bullets on the right were shot first when Pete was closest to Falcon, and the shots from the left were bullets fired after Pete made it more to the right of the panel?

I feel like those should be considered after images, cause it's not like they are drawing those for everyone

That's a whole lot of speculation. It possible that Peter could have been bullet timing, but its not a confirmation.

His target may have been stationary, but Sam wasn't. I don't recall many people drawing while turning, and hitting a target all in about a second, while also flying backwards

And here both Sam and his target was moving. And pretty unpredictably.

@webinyoureye11: I wasn't being serious. Hence the 'GG'

@rbt: so if both Sam and his target are moving unpredictability, wouldn't hitting him be an accuracy feat?

Yeah, but I don't remember Sam ever hitting anyone as agile as Peter.

@rbt: he punched ant man when he was ant size in mid air so hard he turned back big I don't think anyone else has done that.

I am pretty sure he had a tech helping him track Scott.

@saberscar223:

Different adaptations have different abilities. Spiderman from the comics is a LOT faster than Spiderman from "Spiderman and his Amazing Friends". Batman from the DCAU is a far better fighter than Batman from Dark Knight. The Joker from The Batman was a high end martial artist that could go toe to toe with Batman thanks to his inhuman strength, but the Joker is rarely portrayed as a major physical threat.

Judging a character's abilities purely based on what they've done in other mediums is completely illogical. Different verse, different feats, different rules. Therefore we have to assume the character can do what they've shown they are capable of, and anything they have not shown is not something they can do until proven otherwise.

@rbt: still you would have to react and punch pretty fast to catch something that small even if you can see it. Try punching a fly that's buzzing around

@metaljimmor: so right now you don't believe Spider-Man can catch an arrow or bullet time and that is beyond his ability?

@saberscar223:

I am pretty sure we've seen him dodging bullets in the trailers but I can't recall. If he hasn't then no, I do not believe he can do something he's never shown to be able to do.

Do you believe Superfriends Aquaman can perform all the feats his comic counterpart can do?

@metaljimmor: well I'm not comparing him to his comic book counterpart now. But in context we've heard him say that his senses have been dialed to 11 and he dodges a sighn from behind that Bucky threw. Just because we haven't seen superman lift a Ford Focus specifically doesn't mean he can't.

@saberscar223:

Then that's an entirely different situation. If Spiderman has feats comparable to catching an arrow then obviously he can. But you can't say he is any faster than that until we see him move faster than that.

I am pretty sure catching an arrow is more impressive than swatting a fly with vision assistance.