who has better piercing durability thor (IW) or superman (DCEU)

People that are using Loki as a low showing for the Bifrost must be forgetting That Loki is bulletproof.

@zepta_pon: Loki is Frost Giant, I never said he was Asgardian and he was already shown to be bulletproof so him not being effected by the bifrost makes sense. As for Thor's lightning cloak only effecting fodder, it also casually effected a colossal 100 meter tall ship with metal durable enough to withstand atmospheric re-entry so try again.

I never said Loki is Asgardian, the normal working class Asgardian (fodder) on AOS was in entirely different person and an earthly knife bent against his skin. Which means even fodder Asgardians have relatively high piercing durability.

@transformaa: Loki has clearly been shown to be bulletproof....

@transformaa: Thor jumped ONCE in Avengers and as I've explained earlier he's a trained warrior it was most likely instinctual. In Age of Ultron he was actually knocked down by the gun fire, he didn't "jump" in the literal sense. Neither is relevant since he's tanked piercing from something with a much better feat than 30 mm and 50 cal bullets.

Do you guys really watch these movies with no sense of reason or logic? I really wanna know.....

Superman on technicality

As far as we see only to assault rifle and handgun rounds. That wouldn't mean he'd withstand a .50 cal round to the face.

To small arms fire, yes.

I didn't say he would. But he is bulletproof and his piercing durability doesn't have any low showings. Essentially not cutting him can't be a bad feat if there is a chance he's just that durable.

@amcu: we don't actually base anything here on potential but actual displayed feats.

Plus the Boulder cut him deep

Awesome.

@amcu: But the problem comes in when we ask "to what extent"?

To what extent what? To what extent is he bulletproof? We judge that based on feats. But if we don't know the limitations of his piercing durability when something hits him and fails to cut him it can't be a low showing for the thing that didn't cut him. In order for it to be a low showing you'd have to have some level or way of determining the limitations his piercing durability. We cannot do this.

I agree, I'm not arguing it would be a low showing for something that hasn't cut him. But the upper threshold of his skin's durability is still in question. The popular argument I see is that the Bifrost cut the dragon, but how do we know what bullets the dragon itself can withstand?

@batman242:

I agree, I'm not arguing it would be a low showing for something that hasn't cut him. But the upper threshold of his skin's durability is still in question. The popular argument I see is that the Bifrost cut the dragon, but how do we know what bullets the dragon itself can withstand?

The dragon has no piercing feats so I wouldn't assume that the dragon was bulletproof. But decapitating such a large creature is likely impressive.

@DammeFavour: It did not cut him "deep", it was a superficial cut that didn't even bother him.

But it DID cut him though, you're right about that but he's been slammed into earthly rocks at high speeds and dragged against them without recieving any scratches. He's also been buried in a mountain of rocks, boulders, and debris in Age of Ultron and didn't recieve a scratch.

So based on feats, the rocks on The Dark Elf planet are much tougher than earthly rocks since they cut Thor when earthly rocks could not.

From what we have seen on film Superman was pierced by kryptonite and died. Thor has yet to die so he wins.

@bonecrasher: Thor definitely has better damage soak, meaning he can continue functioning fairly normal even after suffering grievous injuries. He was impaled by Hela like 10 times and was never close to dying.

I think people undersell that ability on these boards. It's not always about being completely impervious to injury, sometimes it's who can continue pushing through even WITH injuries.

@theycallmebt: superman was pierced through the heart, was getting super cancer and still managed to dig himself deeper on the spike and stab doomsday. That's way better damage soak than merely getting stabbed

Got a bloody nose from Hulk:

Got stabbed by a small push dagger from Loki:

Got cut and bruises from Ultron:

Got bloodied, cut and bruises from Kurse:

Overall, these are mere superficial wounds compared to being severely weakened, in pain and stabbed through the heart, and still have enough strength and courage to pull himself, push the spear and defeat his opponent. And most importantly, saved the world he deeply cares for.

Thor recovered from all of those in minutes btw, wow you guys literally make stuff up. He stood up and went on to fighr Malkeith immediately after Kurse banged him up, he had a vision from Odin, summoned lightning, and went on to continue fighting shortly after being stabbed in the back by Hela. And after Hela pierced him with the spear on the bifrost bridge in the next scene he stood up and said a few words before Surtur came out them proceeded to lightning punch the bifrost sendinf Hela into the water.

Kurse destroyed Asgardian force fields, being hurt by him is perfectly fine. Ultron Prime is made of vibranium which can cut Thor in the comics as well so that's fine too.

Cutting someone's eyes out is not superficial and stabbing someone in the back near their spine is also not superficial it's quite debilitating. If you guys aren't going to be reasonable I'm going to end this convo.

Those stabs to the back and front are nowhere near as lethal as getting stabbed through the heart. He never recovered fighting Kurse, he never recovered his eye after getting slashed and that was the same Ultron that was sent flying by Hulk and ripped open by Wanda.

And what about Thor getting stabbed, impaled 10 times? You're sure done.

If Thor never recovered from any of these things......why is he still alive and why wasn't he KO'd? Also what does Ultron being sent flying after being heavily damaged have to do with anything? And Wanda didn't rip through his vibranium, she pulled his vibranium heart and use the vibranium against itself to tear through his chest.

And the block party continues.

dumb question to ask but one that needs to ask in this site

Pinnacle of objectivity being displayed in this thread, folks.

That's absolutely an anti-feat lol.

Thor's eye gets cut out by a knife.

Does a knife now hurt Superman?

It wasn't your kitchen knife, was it?

No it was a wooden knife i carved my bad.

Show me proof.

Clear as day my boy

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@transformaa said:

@bleidd: Loki tanked the same beam lol..get real son

So what? That's a durability feat for Loki, not an anti-feat for Thor. Try again son.

That's absolutely an anti-feat lol.

Thor's eye gets cut out by a knife.

Does a knife now hurt Superman?

It wasn't your kitchen knife, was it?

No it was a wooden knife i carved my bad.

Show me proof.

Clear as day my boy

GIF is too fast. Slow it down.

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@narutobleachfan said:

@bleidd said:

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@transformaa said:

@bleidd: Loki tanked the same beam lol..get real son

So what? That's a durability feat for Loki, not an anti-feat for Thor. Try again son.

That's absolutely an anti-feat lol.

Thor's eye gets cut out by a knife.

Does a knife now hurt Superman?

It wasn't your kitchen knife, was it?

No it was a wooden knife i carved my bad.

Show me proof.

Clear as day my boy

GIF is too fast. Slow it down.

My boy, your mind is playing tricks with you. The gif is already slowed down to it's lowest point :)

@narutobleachfan:

Lying is a bad habit son.

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@narutobleachfan:

Lying is a bad habit son.

Yes you clearly see the wooden knife right in her hand.

Are you on something?

@narutobleachfan: You've lost son. Admit it.

Hela's blades are fodder.

Getting pierced by them is not a great feat.

Again, this isn't even a question really.

Only kyprtonite can pierce him. Can't say the same about Thor.

Superman quite easily.

This is priceless.

Jokes aside (assuming you even got what I said as a joke.): Thor's eye got cut out by a weapon of Asgardian, while Superman only received a minor scratch of a weapon of Kryptonian.

If you want me to go seriously about this, then please do.

@narutobleachfan: Yes please, go seriously.

Alright.

First things first:

What feats does Thor have that puts him on or above Superman's piercing durability level?

I'll be responding to your reply in my morning since i'm going to bed. Just wait for me my boy ;)

Thor tanking the Bifrost beam shards that decapitated Surtur's dragon. I'm not saying that Superman can't tank it too, just that this feat is better than Supes' best piercing durability feat which is no-selling .50 cal bullets.

How in hell does anyone even think Thor has better durability than Superman, if you do you are either dilusional or super high on coke. Superman has never bled outside of being exposed to kryptonite. From taking high caliber bullets, to punches that hit so hard he gets launched to the top of a building, through buildings, nuke to the face, world engine, Etc.. Nothing while Thor has bled to every damn thing there is. It’s funny reading these posts.

Loki also tanked that beam yet look what happens to him.

TBH all you proved was that either the Bifrost beam shards aren't that impressive or that dragon's skin is very, very easy to cut.

Iirc 50cal bullets can pierce titantium even, seeing how Thor's eye gets cut out extremely easily by Hela, I think 50cal bullets will definitely put holes in him.

@narutobleachfan said:

@bleidd said:

@narutobleachfan said:

@bleidd said:

@narutobleachfan: Yes please, go seriously.

Alright.

First things first:

What feats does Thor have that puts him on or above Superman's piercing durability level?

I'll be responding to your reply in my morning since i'm going to bed. Just wait for me my boy ;)

Thor tanking the Bifrost beam shards that decapitated Surtur's dragon. I'm not saying that Superman can't tank it too, just that this feat is better than Supes' best piercing durability feat which is no-selling .50 cal bullets.

Loki also tanked that beam yet look what happens to him.

TBH all you proved was that either the Bifrost beam shards aren't that impressive or that dragon's skin is very, very easy to cut.

Iirc 50cal bullets can pierce titantium even, seeing how Thor's eye gets cut out extremely easily by Hela, I think 50cal bullets will definitely put holes in him.

Again, that's a feat for the sword, not an anti-feat for Loki. You don't get the basic point. Most alien metals in the MCU are stronger than terrestrial / earthly metals, so getting pierced / cut by them is not an anti-feat at all.

@bleidd:

Again, that's a feat for the sword, not an anti-feat for Loki. You don't get the basic point.

Uh no you just can't get past your fanboyism. I'm guessing you're going to keep saying it's a feat of the weapon instead of the obvious anti-feat for Loki.

Most alien metals in the MCU are stronger than terrestrial / earthly metals, so getting pierced / cut by them is not an anti-feat at all.

Speculation, next.

Now I get it. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You don't even know that Asgardians are invulnerable to earthly metals or that alien metals were explicitly stated to be stronger than earthly metals in the MCU.

Thor got hurt by earth made things before lol.

And the latter is just headcanon. Next.

Are you even serious about this? I just told you that I have proof.

Noun. headcanon (countable and uncountable, plural headcanons) (fandom slang) Elements and interpretations of a fictional universe accepted by an individual fan, but not necessarily found within or supported by the official canon.

There's not enough proof of the swords being this powerful.

You're saying Alien swords>Bifrost beams and it can cut the dragon's head off with one swing in ease, you so how stupid that sounds?

It's an anti-feat, accept it fanboy.

"Asgardians are invulnerable to earthly metals or that alien metals were explicitly stated to be stronger than earthly metals in the MCU."

This has been proven, shown, stated and EXPLAINED in the MCU. he is not being a fanboy really or atleast it isn't a headcanon

alien swords are shown differently, like heimdall slicing a ship with a dagger in Thor 2

even the normal fodder asgardian army swords are better. also in thor 2.

swords/knives/daggers used by aliens > earth

It has been proven that Thor has been hurt by Human-made objects.

SO that quote is indeed headcanon or MCU is just inconsistent.

care to show some instances because i can't recall any instance of this.