who had won this debate:Shazam (super ghost) vs Berrus (SSB gogeta)

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ok guys 2 people of other forums have made a debate and it was long ago over but still i want to hear who had won this debate seriously because everyone says somethink diffrent

here is the debate of both

Super ghost use shazam(post crisis)

vs

SSB gogeta who uses berrrus DBS,BoG,F

and also guys i update everythink so that you know what happens next and what next post comes :DDDD i edit in here :DDD

SSB GOGETA :Beerus is a very skilled and powerful martial artist as well as a God of Destruction.

He can easily fly through planets destroying them... Just because he ate something too spicy

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11113/111136167/4441373-beerus-striking-speed-feat-mtfl_5177863_gifsoup.com.gif

He has finger tapped and sneezed planets into rubble as well proving that Planet Level is nothing but an effortless joke for him.

http://m.imgur.com/oxdOAnO?r

http://i.makeagif.com/media/8-11-2015/ZAqHL_.gif

Moving on to higher level feats... Whis stated that Beerus once destroyed two stars for some silly and stupid reason, it is implied to have been as simple as sneezing away planets...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111256107/5000097-0687867211-l017..jpg

Making him an effortless Multi-Star buster as well.

Moving on once again, his clash with SSG Goku reached other dimensions, shook the entire Macroverse, and nearly annihilated their universe.

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/11111/111118184/4824295-4754368663-12.jp.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5651/21720253666_856b6eb0a2_b.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111136167/4838314-dbz+universal+event+%231.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/39453/4837190-ending13.f.png

This is according to actual on screen feats, Whis, the narrator and other sources as well. It is clearly undeniable.

Vados and Whis state that a battle between Beerus and Champa would destroy Two Universes making both Champa and Beerus at least Universe level

http://pm1.narvii.com/6019/c0abb459b599c15e052fc98dd564ca3c2129af54_hq.jpg

For Speed we have calculations and feats that place both Beerus and Whis at Billions to Quadrillions X FTL

For Beerus he travels from his realm to an unknown planet in seconds coming up to be at least intergalactic distances.

http://animevice.boards.net/thread/1299/beerus-mftl-travel-speed

Calculations for this feat estimate to over 305 Trillion X FTL

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/beerus/4005-105758/forums/can-someone-help-me-calculate-beerus-travel-speed--1732399/

And remember this was a casual speed feat, not even close to full speed.

Beerus is a master of Pressure Point fighting, disabling Multi-Solar System+ Level fighters like SSJ2 Vegeta with a single finger nail.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Beerus_vs_Vegeta.png

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/ccbbf5ed-ddac-44f6-8fdb-d982b3f1c721/4b7592c6-5c96-42ba-96fe-415a1432b335.png

He can nullify all energy, negating any energy based attack Shazam can throw.

http://m.imgur.com/MqP67jW?r

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201000/4855311-dragon+ball+super+(sub)+episode+014+-+watch+dragon+ball+super+(sub)+episode+014+online+in+high+quality_2.mp4_snapshot_05.19_%5B2015.10.15_09.33.23%5D.jpg

Even Universe+ level attacks are only slightly harder for him to negate

http://s23.postimg.org/9buoikxm3/beerus_negates.jpg

Beerus can also turn objects and enemies to dust as he did with the egg and Zamasu.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111282532/5252246-beerus+egg.gif

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6UqNJQ_QYXk

Zamasus durability should be around Multi-Solar System++ as he was a Kai and Supreme Kai stated each Kai was a thousand times stronger than Freeza.

This is an attack that Shazams healing factor is useless against as he can't heal from dust. Not even sure DeadPool could regen from dust and his healing factor is way better than Shazams.

Beerus can multiply himself into dozens of selves each firing individual energy attacks... Either he is fast enough to be simultaneously firing attacks from dozens of different spots

Or

He has the ability to multiply and attack from different angles NOTE: DBZ characters have been shown to be able to multiply such as Cell, Goku, and Tien.

https://i.imgur.com/zhjLoFC.gifv

Ok that's all of Beerus' feats and abilities to my knowledge. Your turn.

SUPER GHOST:ok lets start with debunking some of your claims

DEBUNKING:

the 1:that are only small planets we dont know if tehy have more mass like king kais planet but that are only small planet and ca not be used

the 2:that with the snezzing was also only a small planet and he have not really destroy completly the planet only half of it

the 3:is non canon because you dont use the manga if we go by that logic i can use kingdome come and otehr shazams and thats unfair also its only a statmant nad nothink more nota writer statmant only a manga statmant by whis not even narrator say it so yeah hyperbole also

the 4:that with the universe are a shared feat the and if we calculate this feat berrus are only 2 universal and not 4 universal however in teh anime it stated that if berrus goes all out he can destroy the U7 that are as big as 4 universes and that are exactly 800 billion galaxys

the 5:that with vegeta are not really legit because berrus use 10% of his power as stated in teh anime and in the manga goku says he and vegeta could not even tank small planet lvl attacks and in SSB as golden freeza destroys the planet vegeta dies and he was in SSB and his guards was never down here i also prove they are only planet lvl in durability

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/HFWKAZQ64e5

and also no it was never stated it was because of teh vacum of space tha the died other feats prove that he died because of the explosion and also before you bring that shit with berrus he have block his attacks with a techniq tahts why he could tank them and also as later in the fight berrrus could even with a single low strike make a whole in goku and goku nearly died and nope zamasu have not really a good durability he have only a good healing factor not more shazam have bot have better durability

feats:

Durability:

shazam have not only tank attacks of a omnipotent unbound spectre but also from a nigh omnipotent omnisince beign with the power of the wizard and tank attacks of a superman posses ecplipso who have the body of superman and are so as strong as spectre:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PgYM4AnKZH8/VJFpl1fSPjI/AAAAAAAGt2k/ZYXNiO-AMC8/s1600/p13_29%2Bcopy.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3E8qbzPBSgU/VJFpmvO7M4I/AAAAAAAGt3U/UBUVTrH-0Ss/s1600/p13_30%2Bcopy.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7015/1215206-blz06.jpg

https://imgur.com/WyXnsfh

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11128/111288111/5223845-day+of+vengeance+%232+%28sur+6%29+%282005%29+-+page+22.jpg

also did he tank a tesseract bomb he healed instantly the tesseract bomb was so strong everythink in it nears was instatnly folded inside out and the agony was immeasruble

also he tank a attack of a villian that are as strong as supes

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301823-5416435467-tXpW2.jpg

he tank a attack that trap superman into a poison who he cna not break out and he have matter resistance

tank attacks of martian manhunter

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301680-1+-+dhvq6sf.jpg

he resist grey mans mind controlle in a weakned stage and have mind resistance

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301684-3+-+hmzm1lx.jpg

and he have matter manipulation he have transform sand soldiers into crystal

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301840-1+-+lwqcyot.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301841-2+-+rcke9be.jpg

he resist the sphere of destiny that are litterly

ompossible because its power is so big it could beat the spectre and destroy the multiverse

here he tank a clearly hard attack of spectre and would not stop to fight him only if he kills him

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/CqCHf13gq5G

he tank a attack of starman

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/CJXwiar6Mzn

he tank attacks of alan scott the strongest green lantern

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/XLcuBrPZkpq

shazam break completly logic and physicaly logic and make a tornado in space a toon force feat

and here supes could not with his strenght goes out of it alone

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301649-1+-+kunheb0.jpg

Speed:

shazam are faster than gravity:

https://imgur.com/a/MvbK4

now gravity are as fast as the speed of light as stated here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity

so it means shazam are not slow like some people say

he is also equal in all stats to superman so it litterly means also in speed

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120859/3178270-2270739-superman_experiencing_captain_marvel_s_power_08.jpg

now supes best feats are moving in time stop his high end and by flash even outrun time means litterly or are faster than time so it means litterly he can move in time stop

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11118/111188925/4145734-flash+91.2+-+time+appears+frozen+near+light+speed.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11118/111188925/4140746-superman+29.3+-+temporal+ray+-+superman+almost+fast+enough.jpg

https://imgur.com/OaXO6T7

and here he could be as fast as flash and in combat speed and travel speed adn evne move so fast not even flash could see him

and now see how fast flash cna see and how fast flash is he is faster than a attosecond by seeing and by travel speed he is faster than time

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7015/2066634-sm_709_0020.jpg

now also how big is the DCU in all the universe and teh multiverse

https://plus.google.com/111306812971107145562/posts/UiagfFJJWJE

and now see that

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Udk_yu7GBtg/VJFpichWEVI/AAAAAAAGt18/B34emmQA46k/s1600/p13_23.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XmD3DyIb5nU/VJFpi1-c0AI/AAAAAAAGt2E/J1h0Y1rqPG8/s1600/p13_24.jpg

shazam travels in under a second out of the DC universe into the bleed barrier adn at the end of the comic comes to the rock of eternity who are outside of the universes

http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg

means because a single DCU are infinite in size infinite speed

also have shazam go to the big bang and time travel ther 13 billion years old are the universe now if we use einsteins theory if you fly to teh moon and back 100 years would be over in a second now if you travel back in time it would mean 13.000.000.000:100=130.000.000:5=26.000.000 million times faster than light was shazam there and he must hold back because billy was there on his back

so at least he have infinite speed

also here he blitzes supes so yeah he is on paar with supes and flash

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5293186-icg5ttk.jpg

intelligence:

shazam have really great intelligence because of the wisdome of solomon with this intelligence he could see all illusion berrus could made liek teh end feat you have showed and now his weakness like pressure points here some scans:https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/idtSP84UgRw

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/X5Frc8euEdN

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/d4DgSJ1ZvFD

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/89Ue1USFyX1

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/KWpM593czwK

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5293165-xjhrnzc.jpg

Strenght:

so now in strenght

shazam have lift infinite

https://plus.google.com/101124735523530334149/posts/TzJrCnG5Axf

he beat 3 of himself who are as strong as him

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AUCjDxk0FhA/VJFpxNk62bI/AAAAAAAGt4Q/0lNQ-RZqYms/s1600/p13_8%2Bcopy.jpg

he beat alan scott the strongest green lantern

he is as strong as 2 supermans

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/BuxC7aXtNuN

he one shots supes

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301698-3+-+zuu9uoo.jpg

wiht only 1/4 of his power could he stalmate supes

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301800-2+-+aoppwjr.jpg

he beat martian manhunter

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301680-1+-+dhvq6sf.jpg

he beat a being that had absorbd the power of

supes,MMH,wonder woman,and elongadet man

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5293169-rboyvo3+-+imgur.jpg

he breaks a prision that not even supes with his strength could break

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301653-3+-+pmcj2ez.jpg

now how strong are supes that thread say it at best ;D

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/JHC6VxMCfSn

he have beat darkseid son who stalmate his father darkseid who are with statmants omnipotent and at least multiversal and he is a new god so he is at least universal

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301644-4281968135-UB1LT.jpg

he breaks through felix unbreakable shield as it stated in the scan it is unbreakable so means litterly infinite strenght

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/hUFTqzEZ9Ug

he hits so hard that he make a black hole

a black hole can only be made at a limit of force and that is 10 octillion megaton of force because a supernova could make a black hole now so it means litterly supernova lvl+

https://imgur.com/xEFtc7i

he helds his ownvs eclipso superman who are on spectre lvl

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301665-1+-+qfexats.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301666-2+-+nzpeifh.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301668-2+-+aysfp6l.jpg

spectre in bound are nigh omnipotent unbdoun he is omnipotent because he also even stalmate omnipotents like jakeem or others

he have beat toon force characters what proves he is 100% with toon force power and he beat 2 at once so yeah a op toon force character

https://imgur.com/GZddibr

he could beat obsidian a beign who are really durable

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301855-4330956523-pNr5F.jpg

like tanking the full power of alan scott

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3431802-alan15vsobsidian3.jpg

and

he is even beyond space time

https://i.imgur.com/j4UVYCS.jpg

he tank a reality warping attack

https://i.imgur.com/7DqsZBj.jpg

and he is intangiable

https://i.imgur.com/JxynRn7.jpg

means litterly also a toon force power of shazam

he have also quakes the universe 2 times and teh universe are infinite in size as i have showed before

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111288111/5223929-trade+paper+back+wonder+woman_+war+of+the+gods+v2016+%23tpb+-+war+of+the+gods+%282016_3%29+-+page+38.jpg

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301805-5769438233-g006N.jpg

he beat a nigh omnipotent and omnisince being this being are nigh omnipotent and omnisince because it have the power of the wizard the wizard could stalmate spectre who are nigh omnipotentin bound and stated himself to be omnisince

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111288111/5223905-rco003_1463476019.jpg

he beat unbound spectre who are omnipotent

and he could do that because even black adam have done it

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/43640/1116949-page09.jpg

and he and black adam are on par in power

now even black adam have also beat a multiversal being a entity of death

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111198060/4826307-black+adam+beats+the+shit+out+of+the+death+4.jpg

so its not an outlier also shazam could be really omnipotent because the writer said it so

https://twitter.com/THEBRYANHITCH/status/759852429928042496

and the comic also it says zeus are omnipotent now shazam have the power of zeus and can use it to his maximum

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/superman-vs-zeus-injustice-gods-among-us-2.jpg

and yes thats why shazam oblirate berrus :DDD

and here the power of zeus so its not an outlier

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/KauVEVx7dSg

and here https://plus.google.com/u/0/116895063965373552514/posts/8JGF8bKvB3H

and here https://plus.google.com/u/0/116895063965373552514/posts/NmKEXj87kPe

so that you know 100% the DCu is infinite in size so now you aks probably is this really post crisi yes everythink is post crisis nothink are non canon

SSB GOGETA:Dude, this is what makes people not want to debate you...

Did you seriously just say that Goku and Vegeta only have small planet level durability?

...

:/ that's the smelliest pile of shit I've ever laid eyes on kid and i think you know it too...

This debate Isint even about Goku and Vegeta it's about Beerus and you Just confirmed that Beerus was 4X Universal so what makes you think that Goku can fight him with planet level stats?

You'll have my actual response in some time

TBH I just wrote a 100 line response but it got deleted so I have to start over, which takes time, so I'll respond later

PS you can't scale Shaazam to Supes through their fights because Supes is weak to Magic which literally Powers Captain Marvel... Supes is way stronger than Cap and him saying he considers them equals only proves that because

even though Shaazam is weaker than Supes, he still considers them equals which is a sign of friendship and honor... Which is what Supes was implying.

You'll have the full response soon

PSS don't respond to what I just said in this paragraph cause then it gets confusing... Just wait for the full response :)

SSB GOGETA:1) Those were planets very clearly... They have atmospheres and moons... They are planets and you can't discredit the entire feat because you can't determine the exact mass :/

90% of planets destroyed in fiction aren't even real let alone able to calculate exact mass and weight.

NOTE: That's irrelevant anyways as Beerus finger flicks and sneezes planets away pretty easily... Planet level is still fodder to him

2) He flicked away one half of the planet, yes. You do realize that doing something like that destroys the entire planet right? The explosion Isint just contained to half a planet even though that's all that detonated. That planet was doomed, destroyed.

3) Nah, the manga is for promotional reasons only and its non-canon but the specific moment where Whis talks about Beerus destroying Suns is in the anime too.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201000/5006208-dragon+ball+super+episode+27+subbed_1.mp4_snapshot_13.20_%5B2016.01.17_22.51.52%5D.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111201000/5006211-dragon+ball+super+episode+27+subbed_1.mp4_snapshot_13.32_%5B2016.01.17_22.52.36%5D.jpg

No, it Isint a statement. Whis is not suggesting that Beerus may be able to destroy the sun. He is stating it as an event that did happen, as a factual occurrence not a suggestion or implication

No, hyperbole means an over exaggeration :/ do you even know the definition of Hyperbole ? you can't just call it everytime something is said in an anime that you don't like ???

4) Thanks, you confirmed that Beerus is 4X Universal... And that's all that really matters for this debate.

5) You tried to downplay Vegeta and Goku for some reason idk why... But lol let me explain something to you.

Vegeta died because of lack of oxygen and saying just because I can't prove that's how he died, you can't prove that's not how he died. How do you know? Lol you don't.

Goku SSJ Namek Saga deflected a planet level blast with a single punch... And you think SSB Vegeta is only small planet level? Kid just stop.

5) Beerus at 10% power finger tapped SSJ2 Vegeta into unconsciousness, TKO... With his finger nail.

That means Beerus' finger nail bypassed Vegetas durability completely and according to guides, statements and feats. SSJ2 Vegeta is Multi-Solar System level already.

Goku stated "Wow if that hit us Whis would be scraping us off the floor!"

NOW that's hyperbole... A complete over exaggeration that doesn't have any factual content. Not to mention that the blast only destroyed a planet because that's all it hit.

Area of Effect dude, it destroyed a planet but it could have easily been stronger.

Not that it matters, this is not about Goku not Vegeta

But tell me, you confirmed that Beerus is 4X Universal correct? Well how does a "Small Planet Level" Vegeta and Goku even contend? Goku matched Suppressed Beerus in SSG mode so how does your logic work?

6) Zamasu is a Kai, according to Supreme Kai all Supreme Kais are thousands of times stronger than Freeza...

Freeza was Multi-Planet level so that makes Zamasu and other Kais Solar System++ level... BUT WAIT, Beerus and Goku agreed that Zamasu was strangely stronger than the Supreme Kaios from their Universe.

Making Zamasu probably Multi-Solar System+ level...

And Beerus turned him to dust easily and effortlessly.

7) AGAIN, Unless you show me Shaazam regenerating from DUST... Then Beerus wins, as he can turn objects and people to dust easily.

8) NOPE NOPE NOPE

Captain Marvel fighting Spectre was complete and total PIS...

Look what happens to Billy and the Wizard when they try and fight Spectre without the plot effecting them at all.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7015/1215206-blz06.jpg

Spectre literally says "You can't hurt me" as Cap is pounding away at him... He felt none of it and effortlessly turned him back to normal.

Remember your writers statement about Silver Age Superman being Nigh-Omnipotent? Well that same writer confirmed in that same Twitter comment that Silver Age Captain Marvel Isint Night Omnipotent... So how is Post Crisis Captain Marvel Nigh-Omnipotent++??

Like how?

9) Oh yea and when he fought Spectre in that scan where he was winning... HE WAS AMPED BY THE WIZARDS MAGIC

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111193100/4284994-8599839137-day-o.jpg

He wasn't even base he was fucking amped so NO he is not actually on the level of Spectre.

You cannot scale from Shaazam to Superman... Superman has only ever been equal to Captain Marvel because Cap is powered by Magical energy and Superman Isint invulnerable to that.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/superman-and-batman-vs-hawkman-and-captain-marvel.jpg

10) He tanked a bomb that turned him inside out? GREAT but, was he turned to dust? NO? Then that still doesn't work for Cap sorry.

Ok Shaazam has mind control resistance... Too bad neither Beerus or Cap have the ability to mind control. :/

11) Ok and Beerus can alter matter too by turning things to dust... I still haven't seen Cap surviving anything like that?

12) Ok so Captain Marvel has some toon force abilities :/ great... Beerus is still way more powerful ?

13) Shaazam FTL confirmed

That doesn't even come close to the calculations that put Beerus at 300 Trillion X FTL...

14) NOPE Superman considers Cap an equal as a hero not as a fighter, they have fought countless times and each time Superman comes out on top

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fDJhF2RXdJI/VShhweyzbnI/AAAAAAAAG2Y/54B8GGzWYnY/s1600/Hero-Envy-Superman-Captain-Thunder.jpg

15) This is post crisis Captain Marvel and those scans of him traveling into the "Bleed Barrier" are NOT post crisis... The art of the comic screams either New 52 or Rebirth.

16) Lmao ok, so Captain Marvel is 26 Million X FTL? That's still thousands of times slower than Beerus tho...

WOAH We went from millions X FTL to infinite speed? NO WAY kid not a chance, Superman doesn't even have infinite speed so neither does Captain.

17) And now you show one pic of Cap blind siding Supes and suddenly he is on par with him and Flash? Nah, kid, Supes and Cap fought before and even with his advantage he still usually looses.

18) NOPE NOPE NOPE...

Cap nor Supes lifted that infinite book, the book is in an orb of magic floating off the ground... That's like putting your hands under an airplane... It's floating under its own power but, your still trying to move it... They didn't even budge that book kid

And the infinite power of the book KOd Shaazam so NAH he ain't infinite ANYTHING ????

19) wow... In that very scan of Cap "one shotting" superman, Marvel states himself that "I got lucky, he's vulnerable to magic"

That means Cap Isint strong enough to actually one shot Supes, it was just the magic that made him vulnerable.

20) Okay for the last time you can't scale Cap to Supes like that... Supes is vulnerable to the thing that powers Cap... The only reason Billy is Cap is because of magic and magic hurts Supes and that's the ONLY reason he ever hurts or beats Supes... Seriously it even says it in the scans you post.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111290745/5301698-3+-+zuu9uoo.jpg

"I'm lucky he's vulnerable to magic"

So stop saying he's on par with Supes cause he just really Isint...

21) Nah, you just scales Cap to Supes and Supes to Darkseids son and His son to Darkseid himself? That's WAY TOO MUCH scaling dude.. Cap can't touch Multiversal beings and he definitely Isint one himself...

You have yet to prove that he is even Universal... Like seriously post some feats...

SUPER GHOST:ok lets begin

1) those were small planets not normal planets as they are really small so nope you can not say that are normal planets it even shows in teh anime they are on the size of king kai planets highballing and we dont know the mass of it so nope no planet feat

2)it destroys the surface of the planet right but not the full planet he only destroy half of teh mass of teh planet if you use logic

3)now in teh anime it clearly says he only destroy one star and thats the sun the sun are a small star not a big one now and it also dont say he destroy it with a sneeze so yes it non canon but i agree he is small star lvl with this feat i dont say its his maximum

4)yeah now the think is i have feats that shows shazam even better thinks making like quakes a DC universe that are infinite in size have infinite star systems and infinite time lines and are 11D so yeah much better than berrus feat

5)nah that with vegeta are false as i have showed he is not even planet lvl in durability as he got killed by the explosion in RF and goku stated in the manga if berrus attack hit us that have also destroy only a small planet

they get killed and also see this

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/3nAzJNs6c9S

here goku gets killed nearly by a ray gun and nope before you show me that with the off guard think nope that only stated in the manag not anime see goku have really only planet lvl durability

and now imagine vegeta SSJ2 and berrus use 10%

6)lol now that is hyperbole and only if vegeta and zamasu are multi solar system lvl not means that they durability are on that lvl i hope you know that zamasu got cut twith trunks sword that are at least planet lvl

and i have a good video for that deadpool have teh smae healing factor than zamasu probably better now see the video even with supes heat vision you could erase some one to dust and shazam have litterly tank supes heat vision many times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEEKZcKPaJA

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/CGCFCyp1FHm and also he hit supes so ahrd he makes him goes flying and there are also many tiems he have done that

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/AhcMqWiZ8RQ

now you know kincdome come supes are stronger than pre 52 and see shazam makes him flying

also no that with magic means nothink the writer litterly says that he dont know cap marvel in silver age how powerfull he is he have not say he is weaker pls read it before you write somethink ridicouls like that

https://twitter.com/JerryOrdway/status/755202819150544901

now he say clearly in the scan that tehy are equal in everythink man why are you lying???? and with magic shazam wins

even the writer say supes and shazam are equal but because of magic shazam wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2CyKekn26k

so pls what are you talking

now i have show you in my last post feats that have surpassed berrus in a long shot like quakes the universe have you even read it

nope supes have infinite speed i ahve show you prove in teh last post and flash also and shazam was on both there lvl or even above

and that with the infinite speed feat into the bleed barrier was post crisis it was the pos tcrisis comic multiversity thunderbotl and his name is even cap marvel and not shazam and his costume are evne post crisis and rebirth are post crisis that you know that new 52 shazam looks like this

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111177151/3958636-20130707-121758.jpg

and thats post crisis

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b2/Captain_Marvel_(Post-Crisis)_render_by_HIT_IT.png/revision/latest?cb=20160911172002

nope this toon force characters are stronger

nope that with spectre are again false even in your scan it they go toe to toe and than spectre found a weakness and cry the word shazam that he transform into billy

and my other feats prove that he is on spectre lvl have you really read my last post completly black adam have beat spectre and a multiversal being now shazam beat many times black adam and have stated he is equal to him

and i also meant he goes toe to toe with unbound spectre not that he beat him

and we donw know if shazam uses full power there against spectre by your post because he could fight unbound spectre and black adam could even beat bound spectre

shazam could held up guys construct that supes could not

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/XWKu1KXCNVw

against somethink for him that could help some think of the power of zeus

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/HH7GNSB1hBX

a not holding back supes could go toe to toe with shazam

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/Xj46g4LATiz

a small speed feat again https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/Qq5Fwe1odCb

here heb eta the evil a 5d being

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/S86ZRGDNExo

and also no

yes darkseid son are on par with his father if we lowball this he is even then universal and shazam are stronger

because he is a new god his son have fight darkseid and beat him sometimes and darkseid are at least multiversal or at peak omnipotent and a new god how we know is universal at least

and pls read my old post again you forgot many feats that evne if you are right would be better than berrus feats and statmants

and also why im right with teh ifninite book is here read this

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/superman-infinite-book-feat-1804584/

adn now Ultraman at the end lift it and ultraman even say at the end its teh ifninite book and he havel ift it now shazam could hold back supes and ultraman

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/BuxC7aXtNuN

and how you see here tehy felt how they lift the book they lift it for a short time because tehy have lift it for a short time that they could read it read supes beyond 3d and you know im right

https://plus.google.com/111890120455248135251/posts/DTS8i9RDvjQ

also the writer at the end says shazam are omnipotent teh post crisi one and he litterly says shazam could be a whole pantheon if we go by DB logic that emans shazam>>>>>>>>fiction because a whoule pantheon means all religions god that exist means litterly shazam>>>author>>>>ficition by DB fans and it could be really right that supes and shazam are omniptoent because bot hare equal and bot h are called now omnipotent and gets called real life gods and real life persons

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/LG1zJYpJVeZ

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/scww/blog/your-reaction-to-this-d/128362/

https://twitter.com/THEBRYANHITCH/status/759852429928042496 so yeah im right there :DDD

SSB GOGETA:1) No... The picture is from far away dumbass wtf lol they are normal sized planets and you denying it makes no sense... We have seen Beerus flicking planets to pieces. It makes no sense to assume he couldn't easily destroy normal sized planets the way he did. You yourself admitted to him being 4X Universal.

2) lol logic? He caused an explosion that wiped out half the planet, that kind of explosion completely annihilates 80% of the planet due to shockwaves and natural disasters... Super volcanos, massive tsunamis, earthquakes so powerful no man made detection system could rank it... It would tear the rest of the planet apart in minutes... If you use logic.

This is again pointless, Beerus is 4X Universal so that's automatic effortless planet busting..

3) Ok... Again why are you trying to low ball his feats? I don't understand the point? Fine, he only destroyed one star but you still admit to him being MultiUniversal so who the fuck cares?

4) Lmao... Goku and Beerus sent shockwaves across the universe and into other dimensions like the Kaio Realm and the After Life... Shaking areas the size of 4 universes...

Akira confirmed in guides that the DB verse was astronomically comparable to our own with only slight differences. Our universe is infinite...

So that's way better than Shazams feat anyways.

5) Nope, again, Vegeta only died due to suffocation, go ahead and prove to me he didn't.

There is nothing you can find on the internet that can prove to me he didn't die from suffocation... Freeza did the same thing on Planet Namek and specifically said that it would only kill Goku because of the lack of air.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/11124/111244055/4826484-space.jpg

How does a planet level character fight Universal Beerus, huh? Please do explain.

6) Goku has Universal+ durability.

The official anime proves you wrong. That scene IS in the anime and Goku WAS suppressed when he was hit by the laser.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8rHhb7Bwczk

Starts at 4:00

You think you know so much but you are just so ignorant on so many levels it's just funny to watch you pretend to be well informed XD

Goku is MultiUniversal kid stop lowballing.

Vegeta is Multi-Solar System+ in SSJ2...

Cell being Solar System level is confirmed by MULTIPLE guides, and statements from the characters. You are blatantly wrong again.

7) Lol kid what? Zamasu got cut by a sword that was enhanced by the Ki of Trunks... Trunks fought and defeated Dabura in his time-line, that makes him at least Solar System level as Dabura is accepted as about as strong as Cell.

Nice try low baller

8) Nope, ranking the heat vision doesn't mean shit... Beerus Isint blasting Shazam to dust, he is turning him into dust, with Ki hax not with an energy attack. His durability is not a factor.

9) You're illogical, they said they weren't sure if he was Nigh-Omnipotent and if they are questioning it then he most likely Isint quite there. He was definitely implied as weaker than SA Supes.

And excuse me? So I should just ignore that Shazam is literally powered by Supermans weakness? Lol Metallo is only like terminator level but because he is powered by Kryptonite he can give Supes a run for his money.

The same logic is applied here, every attack Shazam uses is powered by supernatural magic which Supes is vulnerable to.

Superman >>> Shazam

In almost every iteration

Please, at least know you're own characters.

10) XDXDXDXDXD stop embarrassing yourself!!! Superman was obviously winning the fight before hand AND he only said he CONSIDERED them equals in STATUS... Not necessarily in every physical stat... That's an obvious assumption kid.

Again, Superman is weak to magic and Shazam is powered by magic... You can't ignore that and pretend that they are still equals because you wanna scale Shazam to this over wanked character you wanna marry.

11) Superman doesn't have infinite speed, no feats suggest that and you are pretty much lying through your teeth.

Champa traveled from deep space into another dimension (Kai Realm) in literally seconds... And they traveled there physically, they don't teleport.

Also widely accepted, Beerus > Champa

Your bleed barrier feat Isint that impressive kid

12) WTF -.- you just called him Shazam in several comments above and now your criticizing me and telling me his old name? Hypocrital moron ?

13) XDXDXD YOU DIDNT EVEN READ IT DID YOU? Spectre clearly says "You can't hurt me" as Cap is punching him!!!! Stop ignoring facts in favor of a biased opinion kid wtf.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7015/1215206-blz06.jpg

READ. IT.

Spectre didn't even feel Caps punches... :/ stop lying to yourself.

...

This is getting ridiculous, you are straight up lying to me about scans I posted the link of... I'm not going to continue this debate if you don't accept when facts are facts.

Spectre didn't feel a thing when tanking Caps hits... Easily disabling with a single word.

SUPER GHOST:

1)not the planets are only small planets stop highballing kid its annoying now you can see that on many places in teh anime DBS

2)that dont makes him planet lvl at all only at least half planet lvl + however i only say that feat is inconsistenc not htat he dont could destroy more read my post again pls

3)how i say i only say the facts of the scans not more i dont say he could destroy more or not

4)who the fuck have you this dumb infiniet statmant now nasa says they aren ot sure and now confirmed that its only 200 billion in size who is your intelligence man and also nasa have not evne the technology to know that kid try harder XDDD

http://www.space.com/24073-how-big-is-the-universe.html

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4250-tantalising-evidence-hints-universe-is-finite/

and no shazam have universal feats that say clearly the universe in DC is infinite in size have infinite limbos and ifninite star systems and are ifninite dimensional and have infinite time lines

but fun fact in DB if you destroy the universe in supers time line it dont effect others you got debunked by trunks bitch

https://plus.google.com/+DragonBallzMoviesHDTheWrathofGod/posts/EPkA8qp6sAS

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/gqJP6yQDARQ

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/D2F2hqzW6x5

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/1UNiP9Gcbop

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/e85eY6w2Dru

https://plus.google.com/u/0/116801372236634740046/posts/F49gE47MDSu

and now shazam have quakes a universe he fucking solos DB this is easily a high multiversal++++ lvl feat

5)https://plus.google.com/photos/103243376705284838652/albums/6336586634587985697/6336586634260252882https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9IDKlKBh4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzEWXSIx_DU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmaDKzyezI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N2na4Dq9kY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N2na4Dq9kY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raogdHDNyOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHvHRo-AY9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR0tx31snhA

you got debunked

6)first of DC dotn means durability like also by zamasu and what so are every human being universal + in druability XDDDD he have channel the energy of the attacks out so that it only if it reaches planet or thinks out of the solar system to destroy them so that no one get damaged ohhh yeha planet lvl durability like i said XDDD you have blame yourslef kid XDDD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O--ZS-2qIW4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bptNQzDvJy8

7)wow you highball you said zamasu had multi solar system now you say only solar system nie i have again debunk you XDD

8)what zamasu have solar system durability now the heat vision could destroy 1/5 of teh universe and have no limit

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78294/3891288-2279758-superman_v2__2005__218_page_10.jpg

and how i say 1/5 universal

In Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0, Superman contributes to the energy of what would become a Big Bang. Specifically, he provides 1/5th of the energy. (Yield: 5.32E70 J, Nigh-Universe Level+ | Pre-Our Worlds At War)

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel0_zps27e5754d.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel1_zpsd52237f3.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel_zpsf3857a4d.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel2_zpsd60e7fde.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel3_zpsac99cb4b.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel4_zps635c196d.jpg

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q731/supermanrespect3/damagefunnel5_zps74d1e5a2.jpg

and supes could stand a cahnce against darkseid omega beams who are stated to be infinite in power

much better durability

9)now he say he odnt know it dont eman he is not on par with him and nope again as stated by teh writer shazam and supes are equal without magic with magic shazam wins i have already send you the link who he says it and in teh comic it even says he is ewual even without magic

10)are you serious what supes have losed the fight and no he have evne losed more times against cap marvel than cap marvel to supes

because cap also dont really use magic only if he needs it against supes he said it many times

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111890120455248135251/posts/29EoretZFrP

11)supes have infinite speed i ahve proved it in teh first post read it again

chamap=berrus as both could destroy there ouwn Universe U6 and U7 but chamap are probably stronger becuase vados said she is stronger than whis and vados trains champa and whis berrus means berrus<champa

the bleed barrier feat have litterly top all DB feats evert made going out of a ifninite universe in size las the a second are ifninite speed now stop lowballing kid

12)because the anme are better and becuase i hate the name marvel XD

13)wtf man he have wished that caps attacks dont do anythink against him and even in your scan tehy go toe to toe against each otehr my 3 scans prove you are wrong black adam who are as strong as shazam beat a multiversal and beat spectre bound shazam holds his own against unbdoun spectre makes sense and are not plot and supes and cap beign equal are also right because both are as stated by writer supreme beings and omnipotent

your point got again debunked i have feats you have embarassed yourself and blame yourself give up man you lost and also i have million more thinks really give up XDD

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Wrong site Superghost/SCWW.

Oh and don't use the N Word.

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Too long didn't read

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@goldchamp101: im not super ghost XDDD i only did that becuase on G+ everyone comment who had won :DDD

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@goldchamp101: i have not use the n word probably the guy who write that :DDD sorry for that :DDD

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You are super ghost. Don't lie.

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@scww:

You used it in another post and threatened to fk somebody up IRL.

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Shazam guy is illiterate as hell , berrus would destroy shazam easily

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@goldchamp101: im not him i dont know why but im also on g+ but im not him i have one time argue with him about the flash vs zoom think he was for flash and i for zoom

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@cull_obsidian: wow really lol you was the first guy that said that everyone on G+ say that the shazam guy litterly stomped him out of the wather :DDD

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@goldchamp101: nah bro really im not HIM!!!!! i have debate even one time with him i think he was not serious because he had only used statmants but whatever

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@scww:

Then what's your G+ username?

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Shazam guy is illiterate as hell , berrus would destroy shazam easily

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Don't ever debate in Google+ about comics. They love take scans + statements out of context.

And Shazam is only planet buster, he' only slightly faster than light

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@deallsumrock: :DDDD yeah but i think shazam is probably shlightly above berrus or do you think shazam wins this ???

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@SCWW: yeah beerus is a god of destruction , he can effortlessly destroy planets and fracture the universe as a result of fights