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#1 Posted by Supermanthor (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

who ?

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#2 Posted by Kevd4wg (12738 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains as a rule of thumb

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#3 Edited by Magian (151475 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains I guess. Since they are supposed to lose at the end, no matter how powerful they might be, a lot of the times they do tend to job.

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#4 Posted by biswaboxz (3642 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Villains as a rule of thumb

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#5 Posted by StormShadow_X (16692 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains l, heroes of only job to make another look good or against each other

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#6 Posted by Life_Without_Progress (24248 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Villains as a rule of thumb

Pretty much. Villains were developed to lose in the end.

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#7 Posted by Supermanthor (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

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#8 Posted by Toratorn (7134 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains by a mile. I'm not sure if there's a more or less known Marvel villain who haven't jobbed at least once or twice.

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#9 Posted by MAZAHS117 (12537 posts) - - Show Bio

Usually villains

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#10 Posted by Helloman (29710 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains.

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#11 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6301 posts) - - Show Bio

villains are always downplayed unless its a big event

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#12 Posted by Supermanthor (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

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#13 Posted by RukelnikovFTW (6133 posts) - - Show Bio

It seriously depends on the situation, if stakes are high, the villain is more likely to job, if stakes are low, the hero is more likely to job.

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@kevd4wg said:

Villains as a rule of thumb

Its part of the natural order

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#15 Posted by hyiena (5326 posts) - - Show Bio

Hero's job to the villains their first appearance after that villains lose a lot.

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#16 Posted by Zepta_Pon (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains.

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#17 Posted by geeman2 (2006 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains are designed to job.

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#18 Posted by Matthew660 (1645 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains are the ones who take hours explaining what they’re going to do to you....

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#19 Posted by Vertigo- (17726 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains

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#20 Posted by The_Kidd (11968 posts) - - Show Bio

Heroes because they get more opportunities to job to various villain or other heroes.

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#21 Posted by Lan_Fan (13210 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm tempted to say heroes.

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#24 Posted by Kilius (1612 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends. Previous villains usually job when the new villain shows up. Dooku gets jobbed a lot in TCW both by Savage and Vos, but in the old Clone Wars Multimedia project, he was putting Grievous and every other Jedi and Dark Acolyte in their place. Only Yoda and Sidious could humble him, which isn't jobbing at all.

Basically once the old villain overstays his welcome expect the worf effect to occur when the new bad guy on the block shows up.

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#25 Edited by deactivated-5c01050c9aaac (88 posts) - - Show Bio

Croc, Kalibak, Sabretooth

Yeah, villains are jobber

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#26 Posted by camilopezo (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

Heroes can also be great jobbers.

Despite how seemingly powerful Spiderman is, he constantly has trouble beating Peak humans.

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#27 Posted by Batvibe12 (5641 posts) - - Show Bio

Villians.

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#28 Posted by KratoDaManto (834 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse solos

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#29 Posted by CyborgZod (954 posts) - - Show Bio

villains

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#30 Posted by the_wspanialy (4016 posts) - - Show Bio

Propably villains.

In hero's case we can always assume that he/she hold back due to morals. In villain's case, the defeat is most often than not a result of either arrogance or outright stupidity.

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#31 Posted by Supermanthor (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

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#32 Edited by Aqualion0 (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

Propably villains.

In hero's case we can always assume that he/she hold back due to morals. In villain's case, the defeat is most often than not a result of either arrogance or outright stupidity.

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#33 Posted by Darkthunder (2012 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains

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#36 Edited by agent41 (15573 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on the villain and the hero. All villains and heroes job at times. Some just happen to do it more often than others.

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#37 Posted by TheOneWhoPullsTheStrings (2746 posts) - - Show Bio

Both do it, but from my experience, the villains in most stories. Almost always getting away with it, and SHOULD have been getting away with it, if not for things like cliched monologues and every opportunity having PIS let the heroes escape, time and time again.

I think it is clear the heroes do it to, but the cliches that work in the heroes favor in regards to this have taken it to an entirely different trope level, so for that reason, I would say the clear answer for overall media is the villains.

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#38 Posted by SC (18146 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends. In long running solo superhero series, villains often end up diluted over time, after an effectual first outing. However many side heroes also tend to perpetually be used as ways for villains to appear tough and powerful or otherwise threatening. Also many powerful heroes are used this way for especially important villains that need heat immediately. So in some team books, while the villain may eventually be diluted, you have to consider the ratio of heroes to villains. That being said... some heroes also take on teams of villains in their solo series, and they themselves get hired out to other characters... think Wrecking Crew.

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#39 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (4015 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains job like it's a personality trait

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#40 Posted by RandomGuy287 (865 posts) - - Show Bio

villains

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#41 Posted by kgb725 (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains usually. Heroes just get the Worf effect and then they have to figure out how to obtain enough power or come up with a plan to stop the villain. While villains unless established as a top tier threat may never appear as a decent threat again. Someone like the rhino or electro are really decent mid tier guys and have nearly killed Spidey on occasion but they're not even good enough for a decent arc these days