Which Star Wars characters can replicate this feat? (Legends)

Dude, are you joking, or have you really not read the novel? Galen isn't trying to capture Kota at that point, he's trying to ally himself with Rahm Kota at that point and has to rescue Kota from Imperial forces that have also found him. Galen at that point in the game is primarily a Darkside Force user, but he can't draw on his full power without Kota becoming aware of his true nature.

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It's not baseless speculation. Shadow Guards wield Lightsaber Pikes and are depicted as such in the games. While Galen is likely familiar with the weapon, his most common sparring partners did not wield them, nor the Jedi he fought up to that point in the game. Galen is reasonably going to be less familiar with the weapon, and because of their increased range, may even do something logical by giving ground before adjusting and going on his own offensive.

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How is it baseless? He's aware they're in the area due to the warning he received from Kota, wouldn't he reasonably want to keep track of them and conserve energy so that he could deal with them when they arrive?

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"All cut TCW content is considered Canon (hence the generally)."

You just contradicted yourself. Generally literally means, mostly but not all the time:

Now please verify that the instance you were referring to is one of those times.

If there weren't external circumstances which didn't make it so that Galen would logically want to conserve energy and where he wasn't stated outright holding back, sure. Granted, the Kenobi instances you referenced have their own circumstances, him getting ragdolled by Dooku being a result of his inability to react to the attack initially.

The author comparing the two does not preclude further comparison...

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Glancing around for Kota, he was relieved to see that the general was nowhere nearby. Now he could summon the full power of the dark side." - The Force Unleashed.

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It logically would affect the way he fights in the ways I already mentioned.

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I didn't say they did ( though the two do correlate per numerous sources ) but it's clear Galen would refrain from utilizing a greater amount of power than is necessary when he still has an unknown amount of forces to deal with once he finishes with the Shadow Guard.

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Which would be easier for the Shadow Guard to do with a Lightsaber Pike as it would allow them to create distance between themselves and Galen and give them a moment to gather their power.

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Already have. If you're unable to process pretty basic information that's spelled out for you, that's your problem.

Several characters can

I'll let you get back to these. Don't intend to spend my day by the computer so if you have something up by then, expect my responses some time in the evening or later. Hope you have a good rest of your day.

Darth Vitiate/Valkorian, Darth Sidious, Yoda and Grandmaster Luke can copy it for sure. Other worthy mentioned force users are Darth Vader, Mace Windu and Darth Plagueis who might have a chance crashing a star destroyer with Telekinesis.

@w4nkdestroyer: Valkorion VS Darth Sidious / God VS Senate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) - YouTube, Most of the characters you wrote are far from strong enough in the force to move a star destroyer.

@killbilly said:

I hate the culture around Star Wars debates on the Vine more than anyone, but it's just a consistent thing that people are more tolerant of scaling and holistic appraisal of power hierarchies during in-universe discussions. Things like hype, portrayal and thematic inference are a thing for in-universe discussions and for something like that to take place in an different-universe debate both debaters aught to have a solid understanding of both verses. It even seems to change by medium - people are more tolerant when talking about book series, morese than live action, and worse again when it comes to comics and manga. I rarely see flame wars over things like ranking Harry Potter characters, as opposed to things like DBZ or Naruto.

So I wouldn't take a thread like this as a mark against SW, in particular, on the Vine.

Any high-tier Force user.

Ah, no worries. I've been apart of the Vine's SW community for many years at this point. I'm simply calling them out for constantly representing dishonest positions that they know they can somewhat get away with because they're debating within the universe. Ones they'd never dare bring up the light of day or in a cross verse thread.

@darthsuper: Luke in the Vong war was nowhere near the level of moving ships.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/eu-luke-skywalker-vs-616-thor-2111938/?page=3#js-message-24089412

A Dovin Basal's black hole was unable to stop an X Wing escaping when it was pulling it.

Ok, doesn't change my answer.

@darthsuper: Galen was just guiding a star destroyer that was falling as it is. And Galen almost blacked out from it.

The novel that Luke gets his void manipulation display shows a void being unable to to overpower an X-Wing's engines and gets taxed absorbing proton torpedos.

It's fine. I just would caution you against making claims until you've refamiliarized yourself with the material.

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I'm just saying, it's not unreasonable to suggest Galen would realize he's up against a weapon he doesn't fight against all the time and would give ground initially in order to adjust his fighting style.

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Really? Count Dooku in The Clone Wars surrendered to a large group of pirates. I'm not even suggesting that Galen needs to be overly concerned. Just that it is going to be something he keeps in mind. Especially when he would've been able to sense that there were two more Shadow Guards arriving with the rest of the Imperial forces.

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Fair enough. I honestly just misread the quote initially.

I'd have to take a look at the Maul vs Kenobi scenes again, but I'm pretty sure there were circumstances in both instances where Maul managed to secure a Force grip on Kenobi.

This is a blatant fiction. In no depiction of The Force Unleashed is Galen shown to have "almost blacked out" from carrying out the feat. Not that that would suggest the ISD feat is beyond his ability even if he had considering he carried out a far more energy intensive feat on the same day ( powering a blast which destroyed a superstructure which Juno described as the largest superstructure she'd ever seen, despite seeing both the Kashyyyk skyhook and the SSD Executor prior to that point ). Nice try though.

Too many to count.

Galen is not really that impressive in the grand scheme of things.

I mean, this is far from his best feat anyways.

I'd agree with most of these. Not entirely sure about Anakin, Kenobi and Maul tbh but they all have very strong feats. Took effort for Maul to bring a hyperdrive down and yet I consider him very powerful in S7 of TCW (the fact he sensed Anakin was going to be Sidious' new apprentice without even knowing him speaks for itself), and there's a huge difference between that and ramming an (albeit already damaged and falling) Star Destroyer to the ground. Anakin has moved around huge dreadnoughts as a padawan so it should be in his reach. Kenobi, I'm not entirely sure either.

That being said, as much as I love the TFU game, Galen is highly overrated force wise.

You have a point lol, I was more thinking of the canon characters and those in well known legends. But, Maul and Anakin above Plagueis, Nihilius and Windu? Tenebrous is probably around their tier aswell, a bit lower obviously but still very strong from what I know.

What about Kenobi? He's not as strong as Anakin or the characters I listed.

@killbilly: It did show Galen was severely exhausting himself. And it said it was as though his body would be torn apart.

Vader and Sidious and prime Luke

This is pretty reasonable considering he carried out a far more energy intensive feat beforehand, though it's still irrelevant to the fact that you told a blatant fiction which you've been called out for in other threads. :/

Pretty much, lol. Those episodes with Kenobi, Anakin and Dooku were fun but that along with him stalemating Anakin, Hondo is probably the guy with the most PIS in all of Star Wars. Dooku could decimate the pirates without breaking a sweat, and don't even get me started on how Anakin, Obi-Wan and Dooku COMBINED somehow can't escape a bunch of drunk pirates, even shackled.

@killbilly: I was misinformed. Galen cannot in anyway casually bring down a SD.

I mean, he can casually bring down much larger structures prior to the point in the novel where he brought down the ISD so your conclusions which are either based on incomplete knowledge or just good old fashioned bias are hardly relevant to me. Have fun playing around with your fantasies though.

Of course Vortex will lowballing SW character to say GM Luke cannot move even mere ship. sad.

@vortex1456789:

Luke in the Vong war was nowhere near the level of moving ships.

Luke > Yoda. Fact. Yoda can moving trade federation ship.

GM Luke > Vader.

Feat and scaling > Your Head Canon.

With the context:

Luke (DE onwards),

Mace,

Yoda,

ROTS onwards Sheev,

Prime Outlander,

Unchained Vaylin,

Valkorion,

Abeloth,

The Mortis Gods,

Any of the other Celestials besides the Ones (Mortis Gods),

Vader (maybe),

Dooku (maybe),

Nihilus (depending on how seriously you take the fleet TK feat),

Plagueis (maybe).

@breakofdawn:

Which version of Vader do you refering to?

Also do you think KF Vader can replicate?

@sheevsmacker: KFV and suited Vader post-TFU. And yes, I do.

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That's pathetic. A mere Lord of Vitiate's Sith Empire (Fulminiss) did better (Blew up city with lightning)

"Widely regarded as one of the greatest Sith sorcerers in the Empire, the enigmatic Lord Fulminiss is a master of the dark side’s most arcane and lethal aspects. The grotesque Harrower assassins are his most famous creation, but legend has it he once summoned a raging storm of pure Force energy that disintegrated a rebellious city of natives in the Imperial-conquered Jabiim system." - The Old Republic: Codex Entry: Lord Fulminiss.

Legend and rumor also has it that Sith Lord's could blow up stars:

"Powerful adepts were said to have been able to saturate the atmosphere of planets with dark side energy, compel stars to explode, or induce paralysis in crowds." - Darth Plagueis.

And while we know that has some basis in truth due to Naga Sadow having done so, we also know that Naga Sadow was heavily amped at the time he accomplished the feat.

Is there any evidence to suggest a baseline Fulminiss is capable of blowing up city under his own power?

@killbilly:

In regards to Plagueis, you are correct in identifying that Naga Sadow was heavily amped when he did that. In canon a Sith named Sadow seems to have done it under his own powers. The only Sith I can name who could definitely blow stars up under their own power are Valkorion and Canon Sidious (assuming Sidious absorbed Sadow's spirit as well- which is hinted at). In regards to filling atmospheres with the Dark Side, Valkorion, Legends Sidious, Freedon Nadd and the supernova caused by Aleema Keto did that. Inducing paralysis in crowds was something of Exar Kun's specialty. Note, however, he used a Sith spell for that.

But there is literally one source in existence for the Jabiim feat- the one you have above. Given in the absence of more evidence the simplest explanation is usually the best, he is most likely to have done it himself. This appears to agree with his later feats, where he is mentioned to have specialized in killing the populations of entire planets and being personally dispatched by Vitiate to initiate mass genocide on Voss. If he didn't it opens up a whole range of questions such as why the ritual wasn't used by anyone else. If he did himself he just is more powerful than nearly everyone except people with even better feats (Darth Marr) or who directly scale above them (Darth Baras). If he used a ritual explaining why no-one else used it after him is nearly impossible.

Good points.

Perhaps this might be your answer:

"Widely regarded as one of the greatest Sith sorcerers in the Empire..." - The Old Republic: Codex Entry: Lord Fulminiss.

I'd be curious to see these quotes tbh. Perhaps they can provide further context to help illuminate the matter and the manner in which he intended to accomplish these tasks set for him.