Poll Which movie verse US military is smarter and more realistic? MCU military or DCEU military? (51 votes)
Thoughts? For dceu go off of the military in all three movies. In mcu, all movies apply as well
Thoughts? For dceu go off of the military in all three movies. In mcu, all movies apply as well
What did the MCU military do through the movies? Can't really remember besides trying to shoot down Iron Man. Legit question not saying they aren't realistic, I just don't really remember their participation.
MCU. The DCEU military nuked one of its own heroes and employed dangerous criminals to rescue a woman who caused the problem she started. And they were also made to combat "the next Superman"....somehow.
@lordwhiskers: no.....the dceu military nuked a potential catastrophe waiting to happen. The last time a fight happened between kryptonians, thousands died. U do know what black ops is right? They didn't legally employ them, they got the best people for the job, expendable people
I don't think that the MCU US military has really done anything except try and shoot Stark out of the sky in Iron Man, and they believed he was some kind of drone IIRC.
The DCEU military on the other hand, nuked Superman while he was taking a hostile off the planet. They also employed villains to work secretly for them. Not exactly the brightest idea
Well like they're both pretty shit Mcu tried to nuke new york in Avengers and DCEU Nuked Superman
DCEU is more dumb using the Suicide Squad like that was ever a good idea
@thorthunder98: Gideon Malick tried to bomb NYC, he was on the world security council, working for HYDRA. Not US military.
Well MCU's go to plan was to nuke New York, at least DCEU waited until Supes and Doomsday were in space to send the nukes.
I Voted MCU by accident, DCeU definitely. I always forget that there is even a military presence in the MCU.
@perses: True but the rest of them didn't object making them dumb af too
@thorthunder98: as apposed to what? Trying to get actual heroes to do their work (even tho none were available to begin with) when the goal was to keep the whole situation from getting out to the rest of the world, knowing an actual hero would definitely have made it to the news/internet, WHILE they had an expendable task force that could take the fall for everything once it gets out? Right, stupid plan
@thorthunder98: That's still just the WSC, not the US military.
Well, the MCU military tried to nuke a city they thought was lost to the Chitauri invasion, and in Thor TDW those Fighters tried to attack Malekith's ship.
In the other hand the DCEU military nuked Superman when THEY KNEW he was close to BFR Doomsday, then they recluted criminals who could betray them any moment, they recruited El Diablo Who could burn a whole squad if he wanted to (hey, he killed his family because he war anger, imagine what he would do to random soldier if he gets mad), a witch powerful enough to steal document in the other side of the planet and take over a city and that could had steel her heart whenever she wanted (but didn't do because of plot), Harley Quinn, an acrobatics girl who uses a bat and that any spec ops could replace without the threat of being betrayed (they still chose her I don't know why), Boomerang, a guy without any really useful skill. The only one useful here is deadshot. Amanda Walker is lucky to be alive (stupid plot), any of the members of the SS could had shotted her in the back, take that thing that controlled the explosives in their heads and escape.
In other words, while MCU military has done nothing, DCEU military has done only stupid stuff, and since Nothing is better than make stupid stuff then I vote for the MCU
MCU military doesn't really do anything but screw up and be minor nuisances. From shooting Iron Man out the sky, to trying to nuke New York over an invasion that seemed to be relatively under control -- they're kind of dumb. Not only that, but we've never really had a character to connect us to their importance besides War Machine, and even then he kind of just helps contrast how useless they are compared to The Avengers and SHIELD.
The DCEU military, however, was featured front and center in MoS. We had characters to connect to, Stabler and Swanwick, and they actually made a legit impact in the movie. You can criticize them for nuking Superman and Doomsday, but remember, Metropolis was totaled last time they encountered an alien threat. Not only did they have that in mind, Superman was also getting his ass kicked three ways to Sunday.
@perses: True well then it's even worse the military doesn't give a shit about the country they never show up
@quantum-savage: Your post confused me idk what you're trying to say.
Why do people keep mentioning the nuke in avengers? That wasn't the US military, that was the World Security Council
Anyways, DCEU I guess
MCU military used sonics against Hulk in his 2008 solo movie and managed to briefly incap him until he got his second wind from seeing Betty.
Just saying the nuke (which was a SHIELD agent acting under a Hydra leader's orders) isn't the only thing the military had to offer in the MCU. Hell if we really want to get technical, the US military managed to escape a heavily armed Hydra prison camp with minimal casualties back in WWII. While Cap did help all he pretty much did was open their cells, they managed to escape, fight back their captors, and force Red Skull to retreat since his men were "obviously outmatched".
Well MCU's go to plan was to nuke New York, at least DCEU waited until Supes and Doomsday were in space to send the nukes.
The U.S military in the MCU weren't even there when the Chitauri invaded. The army were there when the Kryptonians came though.
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Well MCU's go to plan was to nuke New York, at least DCEU waited until Supes and Doomsday were in space to send the nukes.
As pointed out in the post right above yours, it was actually Hydra that tried to nuke NYC in the first Avengers.
Well MCU's go to plan was to nuke New York, at least DCEU waited until Supes and Doomsday were in space to send the nukes.
As pointed out in the post right above yours, it was actually Hydra that tried to nuke NYC in the first Avengers.
okay, so Hydra was able to infiltrate the highest levels of the US military, not really a step up
Well MCU's go to plan was to nuke New York, at least DCEU waited until Supes and Doomsday were in space to send the nukes.
As pointed out in the post right above yours, it was actually Hydra that tried to nuke NYC in the first Avengers.
okay, so Hydra was able to infiltrate the highest levels of the US military, not really a step up
Well, sure I suppose, but that was kindof what the whole plot of Winter Soldier was.
The MCU was literally about to incinerate half the city of new York killing millions of civilians with a Nuke without even trying to engage the chituri in battle with an army they left it to a rich jack wagon in a metal suit, a guy in blue tights with a shield, A dude with 1 bow and arrow, a chick with 2 glocs, a giant green rage monster and a guy with flowing blonde lockes and a magic hammer....... MCU is straight up IQ of 60 dumb dumb dumb
@marvelanddcfan24: except for the fact that wasn't the us military...
To be fair, both SHIELD and the world security council are fictional entities that work outside the US military branches.
For those of you who don't remember:
Iron Man: US military had a weapons test in Iraq for the Jericho, rescued Stark when he escaped the cave, engaged Iron Man in jets.
Iron Man 2: US military stole and revamped an Iron Man suit, hired Justin Hammer to build suits/drones, took Tony Stark to court.
Thor: No discernible presence.
Captain America: 80% of the movie.
Avengers: Appeared briefly in New York fighting the Chitauri. (I think it was literally one quick shot of a guy on a humvee firing a .50 cal mounted gun into the air.)
Iron Man 3: War Machine appearances mostly.
Thor: The Dark World: 2 jets get caught in the riffs.
Winter Soldier: Don't think Cap counts as he's working for SHIELD by now.
Guardians of the Galaxy: all fictional militaries.
Avengers Age of Ultron: Mostly just War Machine scenes.
Ant-Man: Pym stole a tank?
Civil War: Only foreign militaries portrayed.
Dr. Strange: no presence.
The military was there in avengers battle of New York they showed them in civil war.
The DCEU military tried to recruit villians instead of getting a hold of batman or flash
The dumbest thngs the MCU ones did was send a nuke to New York but the DCEU tried to recruit criminals.
@lordwhiskers: no.....the dceu military nuked a potential catastrophe waiting to happen. The last time a fight happened between kryptonians, thousands died.
What catastrophe? Superman was in space comfortably BFR'ing Doomsday away from the battle. They nuked a hero in space, not around a populace while he had the situation under control. They even got permission from the president to nuke and kill Superman their only hero.
The DCEU military is as inept as your post.
U do know what black ops is right? They didn't legally employ them, they got the best people for the job, expendable people
Amanda Waller is legally with the government and she legally sanctioned for US criminals to be released into her hands. They may have been expendable, but that doesn't excuse how incompetent she is.
@lordwhiskers: incompetent? Didn't they solve the enchantress problem and avoid it getting into the public eye? Superman was still an uncontrollable wild card. Nuking them both kills 2 birds with 1 stone if it worked
@lordwhiskers: incompetent? Didn't they solve the enchantress problem and avoid it getting into the public eye?
Worldwide death and destruction isn't getting something out of the public eye, especially when her brother goes out and kills people on trains.
@havenless: You're forgetting the Hulk and Ross
The DCEeU military actually made a difference.
In MoS they literally saved an entire city while superman was on the other side of the earth fighting a nanomech.
In Suicide Squad, they literally, with the suicide Squad's help, landed the ultimate killing blow to one of the main villains.
MCU on the other hand has done little to nothing of signifigance.
The only military I find good in the MCU is the one on Guardians of the Galaxy. The DCEU military is kind of stupid compared to MCU Earth military, both are not good.
Doesn't SHIELD count as a military organization? Because if so getting infiltrated by Hydra and having their own massive fleet of superpowered airships commandeered under the banner of an evil organization that planned to glass over most of the major world cities and conquer the planet is... A pretty significant case of incompetence.
Not to mention the only way to stop Hydra was to leak all of their government secrets to the internet.
MCU military is also responsible for creating Abomination, but nobody ever remembers that the Hulk movie is supposed to be part of the MCU. Not to mention hunting down Banner all across the world and provoking his Hulk-outs by attacking him, resulting in thousands of lives lost.
Plus the kill order to go in and murder the Winter Soldier without trial during Civil War, which ended up playing into the villain's plan.
I suppose if you want to disregard SHIELD and the World Defense Force then MCU is blameless because the US government has almost no presence outside the Hulk movie, but that's not really a fair comparison because the active "good guy" military presence we see are from fictional military organizations.
To me, they're interchangeable. But I vote DCEU for two reasons
This guy
And this guy (who I hope turns out to be Martian Manhunter
MCU military (including shield) | DCEU military ( including Suicide squad ) |
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Created hulk , captain america , shield and Avengers. | created Suicide squad |
tried Aided hulk to stop abomination and absorbing man helped in hydra attack came at the end of chitauri invasion | aided superman in stopping world engine tried to stop alien attack by handing over superman to zod, tried to stop doomsday Aided Suicide Squad . |
MCU military (including shield) | DCEU military ( including Suicide squad ) |
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created red skull, phase 2, abomination, inhumans, hydra invasion, Hulk,etc | Recruiting Enchantress and walter Giving zod body to lex. would have killed people in drone strike |
Nuclear attack in a city with people , Avengers and aliens gamma bomb attack on hulk and absorbing man. | Nuclear attack in space with superman and doomsday |
tried to kill hulk , ironman. | Tried to kill superman. |
Destroyed Few military bases , a lake , a university , a Factory , 3 x City in hulk 1 and 2 and inhuman attacks ,etc | Destroyed metropolis , smallville , a city (SS) and few military bases . |
Trying to nuke your heroes < Successfully nuking your heroes. Both are really stupid but DCEU wins via being successful in their stupidity.
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