Which feat is better?

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Batfleck...

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Batman, not really comparable...

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“SuIt DiDn’T boOsT hIs StrEngTh”

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Bats

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Batfleck, by far

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#7  Edited By Gamma_Rage

What batman did it's not that impressive,he was wearing the batsuit,Superman was drugged on kryptonite gas and he also weighs only as much as a normal man of his height.

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#9  Edited By subline  Online

What batman did it's not that impressive,he was wearing the batsuit,Superman was drugged on kryptonite gas and he also weighs only as much as a normal man of his height.

  1. Zack has said 3 times that the suit doesn't make him stronger.
  2. If Superman's body is less dense, that'd only make ragdolling him through concrete pillars even more impressive.
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I'd assume Batfleck's is much more impressive.

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Bruce might edge it out, but these feats are pretty close tbh.

Also the intent was not for the suit to boost his strength, and logically would have weighed him down.

strength wise: Batman >> weighed down Batman ≥ Cap >> all the other shitty street levelers in LA match ups.

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Batman by far...

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That suit did increase Batman's strength, but the feat is better.

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“SuIt DiDn’T boOsT hIs StrEngTh”

It didn't.

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@crater_maker: Or perhaps he underwent drastic improvement since then, or perhaps he was on a high rep.

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Both are outliers lol.

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@bladeoffury: @subline: @kirkseven:

There is a clear onscreen different in Batman’s strength with and Without the Suit. There is a clear line between directors comments and just straight up nonsense. If the Russo’s were to come out and Say Captain America can bench flesh 100 tons it’s bullshit. Bruce isn’t ragdolling a grown man through pillars without losing momentum on his own.

Here is his training montage.

https://youtu.be/2-PBPhDAYwM

If he was as strong as your suggesting these workout would be nothing to him.

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@crater_maker: You can argue that Cap's statement would be invalid because there is lots of evidence contradicting the idea that he can lift 100 tons. This must also be true for Batfleck's feat, in order for it to be invalid.

If he was as strong as your suggesting these workout would be nothing to him.

"Or perhaps he underwent drastic improvement since then, or perhaps he was on a high rep." These possibilities can explain the difference.

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@bladeoffury:

Yeah I don’t believe Cap can actually bench 100 tons. I’m just saying directors can make outlandish claims that make no sense. As for this feat Cap actually has multiple feats similar to this such as the motor cycle Throw.

It happened in the same day. It doesn’t matter how many reps he did of those exercises they aren’t going to give him strength to ragdoll a man thrown concrete pillars without losing momentum. You can even go to the Warehouse scene where though his strength was impressive... it was nowhere close to the feat in the OP.

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@crater_maker: DCEU is apparently supposed to be the LA version of the Batman we see in comics and animated productions, which all have crazy feats similar to what was seen here. 3 separate statements from the director are consistent with this idea too, so the intent is clear it would seem.

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@kirkseven:

It’s still far from inconsistent from what we see in the movie ie the Warehouse Scene and the Training montage which have absolutely no consistency with this feat.

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#25  Edited By BladeOfFury

@crater_maker: Yes, the directors can make nonsensical claims. They can also make nonsensical feats. We should not, however, assume that a claim or a feat is nonsensical until it is proven to be.

It happened in the same day.

How do you know?

It doesn’t matter how many reps he did of those exercises they aren’t going to give him strength to ragdoll a man thrown concrete pillars without losing momentum.

With enough reps, I can struggle with something 10 times lighter than I can lift. This possibility might not completely bridge the gap between the training session and the feat, but it should cover a good portion of it. The rest can be explained by improvement.

You can even go to the Warehouse scene where though his strength was impressive... it was nowhere close to the feat in the OP.

Which part of the warehouse scene contradicts the idea that Bruce can perform the pillar feat?

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@bladeoffury:

I mean nonsensical claims about feats especially when they aren’t consistent with a characters previous showings which this feat has proven to be.

Common sense and by watching the movie. Not enough time to pass for a man to become 10x stronger than he was.

The training he was doing while impressive is honestly nothing out of the realm of a real life Gym rat. But at the same time the feat Batman performed was easily in the 5-10 ton Range in which none of those exercises would bring a man that much struggle.

Average men temporarily restraining him. No amount of strength that comes anywhere close to what he did to Supes. A full on body slam only resulted in broken floor boards. Multiple lunches needed to KO fodder.

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@crater_maker: there’s no logic behind disagreeing with the directors that literally made the film.

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Batman

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#32  Edited By RajjarsAlt

Y'all realize the size difference between those pillars, right? And the two bodies?

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@ready_4_madness:

When there is a major inconsistency on what is shown yes it is.

Batman has never demonstrated that much strength without the suit. In contrast we see him struggle with much weaker feats.

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Batman by far...

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Bats' feat is about a dozen times better. Don't see how it's even debatable.

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@crater_maker: every character has inconsistent showings, it comes with the territory.

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So I guess I’m the only one who thinks they are really close?

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@crater_maker: You said it happened in the same day. What made you think that? While such vast improvement wouldn't be possible in real life, these laws don't apply in fiction, which is why often have stuff like peak humans bullet-timing, which makes them over a hundred times faster than real life humans. If such vast difference is acceptable for speed, why can't it be acceptable for strength improvement?

Again, if he was on a high rep, the strength difference between the session and the feat would be a lot smaller, and easier to explain by improvement.

Average men temporarily restraining him.

When in the fight did that happen?

No amount of strength that comes anywhere close to what he did to Supes. A full on body slam only resulted in broken floor boards. Multiple lunches needed to KO fodder.

He was trying to avoid killing his opponents there, Snyder said this.

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Both cannot be used .

Even if it wasn’t conveyed properly , both the heroes were helped by external forces .

Batman was able to do so due to his grappling hook and suit ( Zack said it doesn’t enhance his suit as much as protect him . He didn’t mean the suit didn’t enhance him , just that that feature was far less vital than protecting Batman ) .

Cap , on the other hand , was helped by Ultron’s forward momentum .

Though , Batman’s strength played a lesser role in the feat than Cap’s did .

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Superman weighs just as much as a regular human. Cap's feat is better.