Which did you enjoy more: The Batman or Avengers: Endgame?

The Batman and it's not close in the slightest.

Aye!!

Endgame easily

Endgame. I loved the Batman, but I’ve only watched it once. I’ve watched Endgame several times.

@lightordark: Damn, we're opposites.

I find these videos hilarious, but I watched this one yesterday and now this poll came up.

Endgame. Only for the final half hour

The Batman

"Endgame was only great for a one-time watch, I couldn't finish it the second time."

Same. I was it twice in theaters (once with my parents and once with my siblings) and the second time, I literally had to step outside during the middle portion of the movie.

Act 1 of Endgame is horribly rushed, Act 2 (the time travel sequence) is dull and boring, Act 3 is fine but the fact that we're facing off a new Thanos that doesn't even recognize our heroes takes away a lot of the emotion that made Infinity War so good.

@mrmonster: Glad we agree, I knew from my first viewing of Endgame that I saw all there was to it. With The Batman, even after a fourth enjoyable viewing I feel like I have not absorbed it all and might still pick up more details if I watch a 5th time.

It's still just bizarre to me that the Russos (or whoever wrote the script; I don't even care enough to Google it to find out) decided to kill original timeline Thanos and substitute him with a different Thanos that we the audience have 0 attachment to.

Infinity War Thanos was the dark lord who had been pulling the strings of the MCU ever since Avengers 1; he was the Thanos who indirectly created The Avengers by sending Loki to lead the invasion of Earth, he was the Thanos who brought the Guardians of the Galaxy together by having Ronan get his hands on the Power Stone, he was the one who killed most of the Asgardian survivors, etc.

This new timeline Thanos is hard to feel any attachment to. He's just not the Thanos we know killed Drax's family or saw kill Loki. Watching him get dusted at the end of Endgame just wasn't as satisfying as if it had been the real Thanos.

Endgame for hype moments but The Batman for an overall experience.

Endgame is a better film. The Batman is night impossible to rewatch because of how slow and boring the pacing is. It doesn't help that Enigma lost all credibility as a villain the moment he appeared on screen in that TDK interrogation rip off scene.

Endgame

I actually didn't like Endgame. But Infinity War was amazing and far superior to many top-tier movies, including The Batman.

@gaoron: I thought The Batman has more to offer for more analytical viewers who can appreciate minute details, Endgame was more appealing due to superficial entertainment but not much of it was worth pondering on from my experience. After reading Art of The Batman, I appreciate the former even more now. Then again, that's just me.

Also, that end scene draws more inspiration from High and Low (1963) than TDK. Also, TDK is far from the first film to feature an intense interrogation scene.

Lmao. The very basis of that scene is meant to turn him into an anti-hero and recontextualizes his entire dynamic with Bruce. He isn't meant to be intimidating past that point. All this does is fully flesh out his motivations, ideology, relationships, etc.

His motivations and ideology are generic bad guy stuff we've seen thousands of times already. Him turning himself in, thinking Batman of all people would join in his madness killing spree and revealing his plans to Bruce is a giant plot hole and makes Enigma a damn idiot.

The Batman is technically the better constructed film but I enjoyed End Game more.

@gaoron:

I mean Endgame literally turned Thanos into a generic bad guy, lol. He was nuanced and complex in IW. In EG he’s just a generic crazy villain.

The Batman. I agree with Endgame turning Thanos from a complex and finessed villain to a generic one.

In what way are they "generic bad guy stuff"? Legitimately curious on this. Generic bad guy stuff would be ruling the world, destroying the world, etc. Riddler's motivations are more based on a twisted ideology on how to fix society .

How is this a plot hole? How is he an idiot? He's idolized Batman for a while and thought the two of them to be the same. Therefore, he believed that Batman was on his side. Like, this was pretty obvious if you actually paid attention.

Endgame’s final hour is all that’s needed to win here.

Endgame

Dunno about that. The Batman's first two hours are head and shoulders above the entirety of endgame. I don't think the last hour of the movie brings it down by all that much and certainly not enough for Endgame of all things to supercede it

Thanos was crazy from the very beginning. So is Enigma. So is Killmonger, etc. They are all psychos with a twisted sense of justice and morality, and they all think that what they do is for the greater good, and after the fact they will be validated and praised for all their villainous acts. In Endgame Thanos said that the heroes should be "grateful" for what he did and when the past Thanos realized they are not and that they will keep on resisting and trying to undo what he thinks is a necessary positive change he would rather remake the universe as a whole. The only real difference between IW Thanos and EG Thanos is that the latter wants to kill twice as many people... big whoop. And the only difference between Enigma and Thanos is that the latter has way better script, writing and design.

Endgame. And I gave it a 4/10. I didn't like it, but at least I finished it.

The reason for that though is they kept using God's name in vain over and over in The Batman.

@infinitehope: Understood. Though outside of those two films, I think Disney is overall more blasphemous than WB.

None of this is a plot hole? Killing people or not is irrelevant. The point he saw was that both he and Bruce were vigilantes who were striking fear into the hearts of criminals to make the society of Gotham better. Whether or not Batman kills or not is irrelevant considering he didn't know all that much about Batman to begin with so he wouldn't know too much about his moral code anyway. So this isn't a plot hole at all.

As for Riddler's motivations. Riddler's motivations, in my opinion, more twisted than any of the ones you mentioned because of the direct parallel with Bruce and the fact that he actually had a visible effect on Gotham. His ideology on nature and power of masks and how they affect one's sense of identity is very well done and plays a lot into the overall themes of the story, and in general his backstory layers a lot of his motivations very well. Much like Bruce, he's a broken human being projecting his trauma onto the rest of Gotham and deluding himself with the thoughts that he's actually fixing things. Saying he's deluded while taking the most baseline and unnuanced interpretation of his character is just insane lol.

It was neat getting an opening voice over. I remember it being done well in both Sin City and Watchmen. I hope to see it in future comic book movies, especially Spider-man, though I prefer it to be made by Sony unless Disney completely changes. And I hope the sequel is great.

Ghostodoofus2, that's the reason I was so negative about The Batman and was a reason why I didn't want to watch it after hearing Commissioner Gordon use God's name in vain in the trailer, since while it's been used in comics before, it wasn't so frequent (maybe in recent Batman comics but I don't read them). I think Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns is great, and thought All Star Batman and Robin was an interesting Robin origin, despite not appreciating their use. Additionally, there's so many Batman movies I've enjoyed! I really like The Dark Knight Trilogy. And enjoyed The Zack Snyder Justice League cut! So I was fine passing. I watched Breaking Bad, and think that's a great show and you know how that has the famous meme line. And Fight Club was my favorite movie in the past, and that's got blasphemous language and that Marla sex scene and sexual imagery that I'd fast forward or look away from. I could like certain movies in spite of it, but being that I already have so much Batman material, it's not for me.

I was sad because I know how much you talked it up along with people here (and we have very similar...almost scary similar opinions on comics. I'm just kidding. It's awesome!), but I meant literally, saying "G-d" which is a mortal sin in my faith, and using "Jesus!" as an exclamation, not showing reverence to my Lord.

I'm a broken sinner, so I fall, but I try to love my God because I believe He is the source of all goodness and gave and continues to give everything to me, and I don't want to disobey him

In the 10 Commandments,

2. THOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.

COMMANDS: reverence in speaking about God and holy things; the keeping of oaths and vows.

FORBIDS: blasphemy; the irreverent use of God's name; speaking disrespectfully of holy things; false oaths and the breaking of vows.

I don't keep up with Disney since I don't think they respect my values and the people I love, though I know other companies don't but I think it's helpful to spread money to other companies so Disney doesn't get a monopoly, and I hope those other companies change, but, at least, I think Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 was not only respectful, I think it actually had a scene which metaphorically alluded to the notion of God being in control and I think it encouraged a value I care about, encouraging the defense of the sanctity of life with how much respect for life it had regarding going up against Eugenics, relative to a quirky silly action comedy.

5. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

COMMANDS: safeguarding of one's own life and bodily welfare and that of others.

FORBIDS: unjust killing; suicide; abortion; sterilization; dueling; endangering life and limb of self or others.

And, just craftsmanship-wise, I thought it was good! It might be the best Marvel movie besides Spider-man 2 (which I consider the second best superhero movie after the Incredibles. I prefer The Dark Knight because of individual scenes, but I think Spider-man 2 is a better constructed film).

And for Avengers Endgame, I liked Robert Downey's performance, Iron Man making peace with his father, and thought it was incredible how they brought back the scenes from the first Avengers. I didn't like that movie, but that was amazing imo!

With our previous conversations, I hope you know I'm not just some hater.

I even liked Batman and Robin. I liked the scene with Bruce looking out for Alfred when he was sick.

Filmbros stepping over each other's toes or no

Endgame is weird because it has high highs (a lot of the intercontexuality was effective and not in a dumb NWH kind of way, how well set up things were) and low lows (Smart Hulk, Thor, bad comedy, visuals) so it’s difficult to conclude my thoughts.

Oh it's fine, I respect you for staying true to your sworn oaths and not compromising your values. I never saw you as "just some hater", you've always justified your stances for or against something.

Avengers Endgame - It was a great conclusion to 10 years of Marvel movies with a mega movie feel.

The Batman, EG was trash