Poll Whats the next Buster Iron Man should make? (24 votes)
Sentry Buster 71%
Juggernaut Buster 29%
Whats the next Buster Iron Man should make?
^^^^ hahahahaha ^^^^
@tomkatie said:
Nutbuster suit
CW Arrow buster
Dceu superman buster
@fangdanerd said:
@tomkatie said:
Nutbuster suit
@darkthunder: That's IW Iron Man apparently. Next should be Cosmic Tier Buster. And I'm not joking about that part. Pretty sure he's capable intellectually wise.
@rijehu: according to dceu fanboy logic superman blitzes him and even nam ek can beat him
@darkthunder: Superman dies blitz and has done so against faster opponents than IM though. So its reasonable. Nam Ek matched (and for a while, dominated Superman.) Thats also reasonable t9 think he can take IM based upon who hes taken on in the past.
Everything isn't fan boy logic. An argument isn't fan boy logic. MCU arguments aren't called MCU fanboy logic just because they're MCU. Anything that you disagree with or anything that opposes your idea isn't fanboy logic. Especially when feats are substantial. Same goes for MCU.
@adamtrmm said:
They are all insufficient fodder so who cares.
@rijehu: well but it's a fanboy logic because his speed is inconsistent and unquantifiable. MCU Thor has enough reaction speed to match MOS supe. And as for speed argument he was getting tagged by entirety of JL . He demonstrated his speed after flash entered
He couldn't statue steppenwolf and dodged his punch slowmo so people consider it really fast. Even Thor was hitting hulk slowmo. While I agree Thor is no speedster, superman's speed cannot always be used and that's what half this site believes this. So it is a fanboy logic because superman fanboys can't bring up anything except that
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu: well but it's a fanboy logic because his speed is inconsistent and unquantifiable. MCU Thor has enough reaction speed to match MOS supe. And as for speed argument he was getting tagged by entirety of JL . He demonstrated his speed after flash entered
He couldn't statue steppenwolf and dodged his punch slowmo so people consider it really fast. Even Thor was hitting hulk slowmo. While I agree Thor is no speedster, superman's speed cannot always be used and that's what half this site believes this. So it is a fanboy logic because superman fanboys can't bring up anything except that
It's not fanboy logic. Fanboy logic is when people make claims and statements rooted in absolutely NO type evidence or reason and try to push that as being factual.
Superman's speed is not at all inconsistent nor unquantifiable. People regurgitate those terms because it makes it easy to dismiss all speed related feats. It's a scapegoat used to justify the lack of acknowledgment of the feat itself. It can and has easily been quantified, but people don't want to acknowledge that. They dismiss what they can't deny.
Superman in fact, has the most consistent display of both power and speed in the DCEU. In MOS, which is his least seasoned appearance, Clarke casually broke Mach 2 in his first flight scene. We saw that happen...literally saw and heard the sonic boom manifest around his body at least twice. Twice we saw him casually fly from earth to space in mere seconds (in one instant he basically vanished into the upper atmosphere) and the second occurrence was in mid battle with Zod, which is by default, combat speed. These can definitely be quantified, in the very least to a minimum, and many already have. But again, dismissal is easier than acceptance.
I thought we were talking about IM and Superman here. But since you brought Thor up, When has Thor reacted to blitzes and attacks composed of speeds that can casually break the sound barrier or blitzes that can exit the atmosphere in one panel? And even if he has, when has this been consistent? Mind you, the argument is not that he can't tank some of Supe's punches, I'm sure he can, but to say that he has reaction speed to match MOS Superman's blitz is a reeeeeach.
Superman slow motion trolling of SW wasn't a blitz, and wasn't meant to be the same perception of time that he and the flash had. To say Superman can't "statue" SW isn't relevant, because he wan't trying to. Not that it matters since SW was still unable to land a single blow and Superman casually dodged the one he threw. And the JL only tagged Superman because he was literally standing still in the scene. In that very same conflict he "statues" them the moment he enter Flash's perception and casually chunks them aside to engage with Barry. All this shows is that Superman can toggle "Flash-time Perception" on and and off, and react within that perspective.
And again, you mentioned Superman's speed being inconsistent due to him being tagged by Justice League members. But if we use that logic, how many beings in the MCU have tagged Thor who are far inferior to Superman's speed? How consistent are Thor's reaction to speed blitzes of Superman's caliber, or any caliber when compared to how often Superman utilizes it in DCEU? What I'm saying is, when you throw out terms like "inconsistent" and "unquantifiable" they are applicable both sides.
It's not Fanboy logic bringing up Superman's speed when it is innate to his character and a factor in his battles. That's like Thor not being used with SB or Mijolnir. Even though he's clearly powerful without it, it still makes him more formidable and gives him an advantage. And Superman's speed is obviously not the sole reason he has a chance in battles like this. It's the combination of his speed with his physiological capabilities that most fans speak of. If he had pure speed with none of his Kryptonian abilities, he'd just be a Flash and Thor would then thump him to death without effort.
@rijehu said:
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu: well but it's a fanboy logic because his speed is inconsistent and unquantifiable. MCU Thor has enough reaction speed to match MOS supe. And as for speed argument he was getting tagged by entirety of JL . He demonstrated his speed after flash entered
He couldn't statue steppenwolf and dodged his punch slowmo so people consider it really fast. Even Thor was hitting hulk slowmo. While I agree Thor is no speedster, superman's speed cannot always be used and that's what half this site believes this. So it is a fanboy logic because superman fanboys can't bring up anything except that
It's not fanboy logic. Fanboy logic is when people make claims and statements rooted in absolutely NO type evidence or reason and try to push that as being factual.
Superman's speed is not at all inconsistent nor unquantifiable. People regurgitate those terms because it makes it easy to dismiss all speed related feats. It's a scapegoat used to justify the lack of acknowledgment of the feat itself. It can and has easily been quantified, but people don't want to acknowledge that. They dismiss what they can't deny.
It is inconsistent for reasons mentioned in the post above.
Superman in fact, has the most consistent display of both power and speed in the DCEU. In MOS, which is his least seasoned appearance, Clarke casually broke Mach 2 in his first flight scene. We saw that happen...literally saw and heard the sonic boom manifest around his body at least twice. Twice we saw him casually fly from earth to space in mere seconds (in one instant he basically vanished into nsiste upper atmosphere) and the second occurrence was in mid battle with Zod, which is by default, combat speed. These can definitely be quantified, in the very least to a minimum, and many already have. But again, dismissal is easier than acceptance.
flight speed and combat speed are different. He was in the same speed as mjolnr then because even mjolnr did that.
I thought we were talking about IM and Superman here. But since you brought Thor up, When has Thor reacted to blitzes and attacks composed of speeds that can casually break the sound barrier or blitzes that can exit the atmosphere in one panel? And even if he has, when has this been consistent? Mind you, the argument is not that he can't tank some of Supe's punches, I'm sure he can, but to say that he has reaction speed to match MOS Superman's blitz is a reeeeeach.
we were talking about Im Vs supe but iw iron man can certainly give good fight to MOS but not the BVS or even JL version. Thor reacted to malekith tendrils which casually broke the sound barrier,dodged every chitauri blast thrown at him, he was the only avenger moving in Qs perspective, dodged a chitauri blast without even looking and also destroyer's energy blasts. Hela's necroswords which moved at Mach speed. Kept up with hela who could destroy an army of superhumans.
Superman slow motion trolling of SW wasn't a blitz, and wasn't meant to be the same perception of time that he and the flash had. To say Superman can't "statue" SW isn't relevant, because he wan't trying to. Not that it matters since SW was still unable to land a single blow and Superman casually dodged the one he threw. And the JL only tagged Superman because he was literally standing still in the scene. In that very same conflict he "statues" them the moment he enter Flash's perception and casually chunks them aside to engage with Barry. All this shows is that Superman can toggle "Flash-time Perception" on and and off, and react within that perspective
superman dodged one blow. Just one. No he wasn't standin still. Then again he got tagged by faora,nam ek, and. Many more.
And again, you mentioned Superman's speed being inconsistent due to him being tagged by Justice League members. But if we use that logic, how many beings in the MCU have tagged Thor who are far inferior to Superman's speed? How consistent are Thor's reaction to speed blitzes of Superman's caliber, or any caliber when compared to how often Superman utilizes it in DCEU? What I'm saying is, when you throw out terms like "inconsistent" and "unquantifiable" they are applicable both sides.
let's see hela,thanos, loki(because Thor didn't want to fight him) and hulk(again because Thor didn't want to fight him.) Yeah rhatst all.
I's not Fanboy logic bringing up Superman's speed when it is innate to his character and a factor in his battles. That's like Thor not being used with SB or Mijolnir. Even though he's clearly powerful without it, it still makes him more formidable and gives him an advantage. And Superman's speed is obviously not the sole reason he has a chance in battles like this. It's the combination of his speed with his physiological capabilities that most fans speak of. If he had pure speed with none of his Kryptonian abilities, he'd just be a Flash and Thor would then thump him to death without effort.
people on CV act like only speed does everything. And speed is the only advantage supes has over thor. They are pretty equal in everything elee
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu said:
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu: well but it's a fanboy logic because his speed is inconsistent and unquantifiable. MCU Thor has enough reaction speed to match MOS supe. And as for speed argument he was getting tagged by entirety of JL . He demonstrated his speed after flash entered
He couldn't statue steppenwolf and dodged his punch slowmo so people consider it really fast. Even Thor was hitting hulk slowmo. While I agree Thor is no speedster, superman's speed cannot always be used and that's what half this site believes this. So it is a fanboy logic because superman fanboys can't bring up anything except that
It's not fanboy logic. Fanboy logic is when people make claims and statements rooted in absolutely NO type evidence or reason and try to push that as being factual.
Superman's speed is not at all inconsistent nor unquantifiable. People regurgitate those terms because it makes it easy to dismiss all speed related feats. It's a scapegoat used to justify the lack of acknowledgment of the feat itself. It can and has easily been quantified, but people don't want to acknowledge that. They dismiss what they can't deny.
It is inconsistent for reasons mentioned in the post above.
Superman in fact, has the most consistent display of both power and speed in the DCEU. In MOS, which is his least seasoned appearance, Clarke casually broke Mach 2 in his first flight scene. We saw that happen...literally saw and heard the sonic boom manifest around his body at least twice. Twice we saw him casually fly from earth to space in mere seconds (in one instant he basically vanished into nsiste upper atmosphere) and the second occurrence was in mid battle with Zod, which is by default, combat speed. These can definitely be quantified, in the very least to a minimum, and many already have. But again, dismissal is easier than acceptance.
flight speed and combat speed are different. He was in the same speed as mjolnr then because even mjolnr did that.
I thought we were talking about IM and Superman here. But since you brought Thor up, When has Thor reacted to blitzes and attacks composed of speeds that can casually break the sound barrier or blitzes that can exit the atmosphere in one panel? And even if he has, when has this been consistent? Mind you, the argument is not that he can't tank some of Supe's punches, I'm sure he can, but to say that he has reaction speed to match MOS Superman's blitz is a reeeeeach.
we were talking about Im Vs supe but iw iron man can certainly give good fight to MOS but not the BVS or even JL version. Thor reacted to malekith tendrils which casually broke the sound barrier,dodged every chitauri blast thrown at him, he was the only avenger moving in Qs perspective, dodged a chitauri blast without even looking and also destroyer's energy blasts. Hela's necroswords which moved at Mach speed. Kept up with hela who could destroy an army of superhumans.
Superman slow motion trolling of SW wasn't a blitz, and wasn't meant to be the same perception of time that he and the flash had. To say Superman can't "statue" SW isn't relevant, because he wan't trying to. Not that it matters since SW was still unable to land a single blow and Superman casually dodged the one he threw. And the JL only tagged Superman because he was literally standing still in the scene. In that very same conflict he "statues" them the moment he enter Flash's perception and casually chunks them aside to engage with Barry. All this shows is that Superman can toggle "Flash-time Perception" on and and off, and react within that perspective
superman dodged one blow. Just one. No he wasn't standin still. Then again he got tagged by faora,nam ek, and. Many more.
And again, you mentioned Superman's speed being inconsistent due to him being tagged by Justice League members. But if we use that logic, how many beings in the MCU have tagged Thor who are far inferior to Superman's speed? How consistent are Thor's reaction to speed blitzes of Superman's caliber, or any caliber when compared to how often Superman utilizes it in DCEU? What I'm saying is, when you throw out terms like "inconsistent" and "unquantifiable" they are applicable both sides.
let's see hela,thanos, loki(because Thor didn't want to fight him) and hulk(again because Thor didn't want to fight him.) Yeah rhatst all.
I's not Fanboy logic bringing up Superman's speed when it is innate to his character and a factor in his battles. That's like Thor not being used with SB or Mijolnir. Even though he's clearly powerful without it, it still makes him more formidable and gives him an advantage. And Superman's speed is obviously not the sole reason he has a chance in battles like this. It's the combination of his speed with his physiological capabilities that most fans speak of. If he had pure speed with none of his Kryptonian abilities, he'd just be a Flash and Thor would then thump him to death without effort.
people on CV act like only speed does everything. And speed is the only advantage supes has over thor. They are pretty equal in everything elee
It's literally not inconsistent though...I disputed those.
His combat speed is speed used in combat...which can and has casually taken him into orbit and back in seconds...As far as Mijolnir, what are you getting at?
Agree to disagree with the IM comment. As far as the feats, I have to go re watch those scenes because I don't remember anything moving at mach speed in those battles. I don't remember Hela's weaponry moving at mach speeds either (unless you count the large spikes she threw at Surter) which is debatable. But I'll take your word for it for now. Also, basic Asgardian fighters kept up with Hela so that isn't really a scaling feat for Thor since he would casually pick apart those warriors as well. They also parried her weapons so unless you want to scale them up to mach speeds, I'm not sure if that works here.
Superman dodged one blow because one blow was thrown. Bottom line is he was never touched. And no, when the team bull rushed Superman he was standing still. The moment he did move, he was fast enough to catch WW braces before she even closed them. (Which isn't all THAT impressive but still, a feat nonetheless) Faora, (better skilled and Militant tactician) Nam Ek, (who was canonically stronger than Superman) and Zod (arguably stronger) were all beings of Superman's own race with stats better than his. That has nothing to do with his speed regarding other that are not Kryptonian or Kryptonian level.
Thor has been tagged by everyone from Iron Man, the Valkyrie, Ultron, Krull, and several others. I'm not saying that makes him weak, but we would also have to consider him inconsistent for the same reasons you consider Superman as such because lesser have tagged him.
Thats not all people. But speed does matter because it enhances force behind punches and it's an advantage. And as I said its the combination of speed and his other capabilities that make him a threat. The same thing is done for Thor with Lightning Cloak and SB.
I have SO MUCH respect for your last line.
@rijehu said:
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu said:
@darkthunder said:
@rijehu: well but it's a fanboy logic because his speed is inconsistent and unquantifiable. MCU Thor has enough reaction speed to match MOS supe. And as for speed argument he was getting tagged by entirety of JL . He demonstrated his speed after flash entered
He couldn't statue steppenwolf and dodged his punch slowmo so people consider it really fast. Even Thor was hitting hulk slowmo. While I agree Thor is no speedster, superman's speed cannot always be used and that's what half this site believes this. So it is a fanboy logic because superman fanboys can't bring up anything except that
It's not fanboy logic. Fanboy logic is when people make claims and statements rooted in absolutely NO type evidence or reason and try to push that as being factual.
Superman's speed is not at all inconsistent nor unquantifiable. People regurgitate those terms because it makes it easy to dismiss all speed related feats. It's a scapegoat used to justify the lack of acknowledgment of the feat itself. It can and has easily been quantified, but people don't want to acknowledge that. They dismiss what they can't deny.
It is inconsistent for reasons mentioned in the post above.
Superman in fact, has the most consistent display of both power and speed in the DCEU. In MOS, which is his least seasoned appearance, Clarke casually broke Mach 2 in his first flight scene. We saw that happen...literally saw and heard the sonic boom manifest around his body at least twice. Twice we saw him casually fly from earth to space in mere seconds (in one instant he basically vanished into nsiste upper atmosphere) and the second occurrence was in mid battle with Zod, which is by default, combat speed. These can definitely be quantified, in the very least to a minimum, and many already have. But again, dismissal is easier than acceptance.
flight speed and combat speed are different. He was in the same speed as mjolnr then because even mjolnr did that.
I thought we were talking about IM and Superman here. But since you brought Thor up, When has Thor reacted to blitzes and attacks composed of speeds that can casually break the sound barrier or blitzes that can exit the atmosphere in one panel? And even if he has, when has this been consistent? Mind you, the argument is not that he can't tank some of Supe's punches, I'm sure he can, but to say that he has reaction speed to match MOS Superman's blitz is a reeeeeach.
we were talking about Im Vs supe but iw iron man can certainly give good fight to MOS but not the BVS or even JL version. Thor reacted to malekith tendrils which casually broke the sound barrier,dodged every chitauri blast thrown at him, he was the only avenger moving in Qs perspective, dodged a chitauri blast without even looking and also destroyer's energy blasts. Hela's necroswords which moved at Mach speed. Kept up with hela who could destroy an army of superhumans.
Superman slow motion trolling of SW wasn't a blitz, and wasn't meant to be the same perception of time that he and the flash had. To say Superman can't "statue" SW isn't relevant, because he wan't trying to. Not that it matters since SW was still unable to land a single blow and Superman casually dodged the one he threw. And the JL only tagged Superman because he was literally standing still in the scene. In that very same conflict he "statues" them the moment he enter Flash's perception and casually chunks them aside to engage with Barry. All this shows is that Superman can toggle "Flash-time Perception" on and and off, and react within that perspective
superman dodged one blow. Just one. No he wasn't standin still. Then again he got tagged by faora,nam ek, and. Many more.
And again, you mentioned Superman's speed being inconsistent due to him being tagged by Justice League members. But if we use that logic, how many beings in the MCU have tagged Thor who are far inferior to Superman's speed? How consistent are Thor's reaction to speed blitzes of Superman's caliber, or any caliber when compared to how often Superman utilizes it in DCEU? What I'm saying is, when you throw out terms like "inconsistent" and "unquantifiable" they are applicable both sides.
let's see hela,thanos, loki(because Thor didn't want to fight him) and hulk(again because Thor didn't want to fight him.) Yeah rhatst all.
I's not Fanboy logic bringing up Superman's speed when it is innate to his character and a factor in his battles. That's like Thor not being used with SB or Mijolnir. Even though he's clearly powerful without it, it still makes him more formidable and gives him an advantage. And Superman's speed is obviously not the sole reason he has a chance in battles like this. It's the combination of his speed with his physiological capabilities that most fans speak of. If he had pure speed with none of his Kryptonian abilities, he'd just be a Flash and Thor would then thump him to death without effort.
people on CV act like only speed does everything. And speed is the only advantage supes has over thor. They are pretty equal in everything elee
It's literally not inconsistent though...I disputed those.
I didn't see any of your argument starins it's not inconsistent
His combat speed is speed used in combat...which can and has casually taken him into orbit and back in seconds...As far as Mijolnir, what are you getting at
going to space is a travel speedfeat which mjolnr easily replicated in the dark world
Agree to disagree with the IM comment. As far as the feats, I have to go re watch those scenes because I don't remember anything moving at mach speed in those battles. I don't remember Hela's weaponry moving at mach speeds either (unless you count the large spikes she threw at Surter) which is debatable. But I'll take your word for it for now. Also, basic Asgardian fighters kept up with Hela so that isn't really a scaling feat for Thor since he would casually pick apart those warriors as well. They also parried her weapons so unless you want to scale them up to mach speeds, I'm not sure if that works here.
her swords were reaching cloud level even in the Asgard army fight. Yeah but asgaAsgard are superhumans and she kept up with 10000 such. I agree with the last line
Superman dodged one blow because one blow was thrown. Bottom line is he was never touched. And no, when the team bull rushed Superman he was standing still. The moment he did move, he was fast enough to catch WW braces before she even closed them. (Which isn't all THAT impressive but still, a feat nonetheless) Faora, (better skilled and Militant tactician) Nam Ek, (who was canonically stronger than Superman) and Zod (arguably stronger) were all beings of Superman's own race with stats better than his. That has nothing to do with his speed regarding other that are not Kryptonian or Kryptonian level.
he wasn't standing still at all. If you are referring to the scene before flash eneters, then he was standing still
hor has been tagged by everyone from Iron Man, the Valkyrie, Ultron, Krull, and several others. I'm not saying that makes him weak, but we would also have to consider him inconsistent for the same reasons you consider Superman as such because lesser have tagged him.
can't remember valk tagging him. And also Thor's speed may be inconsistent but I see we are debating supes speed
Thats not all people. But speed does matter because it enhances force behind punches and it's an advantage. And as I said its the combination of speed and his other capabilities that make him a threat. The same thing is done for Thor with Lightning Cloak and SB.
I have SO MUCH respect for your last line.
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