What if Mcu Characters were as powerful as their 616 counterparts

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How insane would the mcu be if this were the case?(the infinity stones are also as powerful as their 616 versions).

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#2  Edited By vineswinger

The movies would be terrible because they would be so un relatable. I think they would not have been a popular. I like my comics and movies separated quite distinctly. What’s good in a comic does not always relate to being good in a movie. THINK costumes to begin with and go from there.

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They are as powerful as their counterparts as far as any creator is concerned.

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They aren't, they are stronger.

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@the_hajduk: Thor director/producer talking about representing comic Thor powers in the movie. I think this implies they don't imagine him as weaker. They don't seem to talk about grounding him power level vise unless I missed something.

On the other hand, Josh Whedon straight up says Ultron is weaker than comic version.

Josh Whedon talks MCU Ultron power levels compared to the comic version

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I haven't heard anything from Russos and the writers regarding this but they seem to think highly of the characters considering in-movie statements. Russos always say Thanos is almost invulnerable, take that as you will. The qriters also think Thanos can withstand Ant-Man growing in his butt. So, maybe they don't think of them as grounded power level-wise but IDK.

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@starsprime3: The Russos have always said things that indicate they don’t separate the MCU with the comics. When talking about Thor tanking a star they just said “well what we always liked about Thor was that he was a god, so we wanted him to do a really godly thing in the movie, so we had him take a star.” When talking about Hulk surviving the snap they just said “well Hulk is the strongest there is, so only he and Thanos can survive a snap. We don’t know if Captain Marvel can.” Don’t even get me started on their comments about Spider-Man.

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@the_hajduk: I feel like things like that are why creators shouldn't be trusted with their statements... Obviously Thor is not a planetary threat like 616 is, and most comic writers have a good understanding of Thor's abilities when they write his stories. Directors thinking he's city level or so, or at least portraying him as such (which he kinda is in the MCU) is just their own ignorance on how powerful the character is.

The movies would be a lot less interesting if Superman and Hulk could destroy islands with the shockwaves of their punches, though.

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I feel like they should be more powerful then they are in films but not comic level.

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I don't know. Somethings might not translate as well to live action to be honest.

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Thanos would've won even easier.

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Wait, that would mean really bad PIS would exist. Oh, wait, Civil War.......

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That would be good

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#15  Edited By Eredin12  Online

@vineswinger:

"The movies would be terrible because they would be so unrelatable"

I mean what the hell is relatable about Thor surviving energy of Neutron Star? Or moving those gigantic rings? Do you think any normal human can relate that in the slightest? Hell no, Cap and Spiderman is probably limit to what you can call "relatable" in terms of power level, now sure their struggle can be relatable but soruce of that struggle can be lifting planet or those gigantic rings, i mean both are equally impossible for a normal human to do, so it makes no difference

I dont want to or expect characters like Thor, Hulk, Superman, Goku to be relatable to me at all in power, quite opposite, i like to see better feats, them being more badass if i wnat some heroes more relatable i will wach street tiers, not high tiers

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@thespartanb345t: I imagine if some body ask the Russos on whether Thor is continential or not . They will most likely say yes but wouldn't bother to potray what they said on screen . Thor's ring feat is and will remain the only instance where the Russos actually come close to what they promise about character's power levels . I think unless a feat is heavily specified and describe in details by the screen writers , I think most of the time , the Russos just let the vfx guys do whatever they want and you know that those guys probably can't grasp power levels either or the context of the scenes they are crafting . Maybe that's why damage out puts of Characters of the same tiers may look magnitudes apart .

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Then some high tiers might've stood a chance against CW Arrow.

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#18  Edited By ANTHP2000  Online

This stuff about the MCU directors thinking their versions of the characters are as powerful as they are in the comics has been going on for a while. Just watch the Russos' commentary on TWS. They literally bring up grounding the characters for the sake of them working in the movie medium better as soon as the Lemurian Star sequence, if I remember the timing right.

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You don't need to make them as powerful as comics, you just have to make usage of their powers seem competent. Thor is supremely underutilized while they force Cap to be a bigger deal than he's. Lots of misfocuses and lazy moments is what ruins it far more.

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I mean, if you grab an average comic book fight, it'll probably look like the ones we see in the movies. They just don't have the ridiculous high-ends.

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#21  Edited By Starsprime3

@anthp2000: They didn't say exactly that. They said that since the particular movie (WS) is tonally realistic, they extended that realism to what the characters can do in relation to the laws of physics. So I think that commentary may not necessarily apply to IW/Endgame but idk, unless you are talking about something else.

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I mean, if you grab an average comic book fight, it'll probably look like the ones we see in the movies. They just don't have the ridiculous high-ends.

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@the_hajduk: Thor director/producer talking about representing comic Thor powers in the movie. I think this implies they don't imagine him as weaker. They don't seem to talk about grounding him power level vise unless I missed something.

On the other hand, Josh Whedon straight up says Ultron is weaker than comic version.

Josh Whedon talks MCU Ultron power levels compared to the comic version

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I haven't heard anything from Russos and the writers regarding this but they seem to think highly of the characters considering in-movie statements. Russos always say Thanos is almost invulnerable, take that as you will. The qriters also think Thanos can withstand Ant-Man growing in his butt. So, maybe they don't think of them as grounded power level-wise but IDK.

I don't think the Russos really put in too much thoughts on the characters' power levels same with alot of other directors and writers . They don't really have concepts for "Outliers","High ends" or "Low ends" and other common tounge of VS forums . Those are really just stuff us debaters made up to try and create a powerlevel most suitable for the characters . But clearly when a character is crafted by different creators , they would have different ideas on those characters' potentials and power level . I think if you ask them , the Russos probably envision Thor to be a 10 billion tonner and immune to nukes and stuff like a legit god , same with other high tiers . Maybe they think even higher of MCU high tiers since the snap was stated to be continental or some BS .

However as we all know , by consistent feats . MCU characters are just not on that level at all and are usually seen as jokes on the battle forum .

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If 616 Thor replicated the star feat with the same explanations it got in interviews and stuff, people would abuse the hell out of it for him as a durability feat. Same with Carol scanning the planet in Endgame as a speed feat.

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They really aren’t that much weaker than their comic book counterparts. They got stronger every movie.

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They really aren’t that much weaker than their comic book counterparts.

Oh yes, because MCU Thor, Hulk, Thanos, Hela, etc are certainly close to their 616 versions.

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@takenstew22: thor seems a little more powerful to me. He actually had powers without his hammer. He was able to call down lightning and seemed to be able to fly. Remember that whole god of hammers pep talk odin gave him. Ironman seems almost as powerful, also. The freaking hiulk survived a fall from the shield helocarrier (sp?). They have done some crazy stuff.

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@christianrapper: But that's nothing compared to what the comics can do. Iron Man has taken multiple nukes. Can MCU do that? I sincerely doubt it.

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There would likely still be a few users saying that they are street tier

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If people said Thor is close and Captain Marvel was the strongest superhero up to date, then she has a power up for the movie version?

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@takenstew22: thor seems a little more powerful to me. He actually had powers without his hammer. He was able to call down lightning and seemed to be able to fly. Remember that whole god of hammers pep talk odin gave him. Ironman seems almost as powerful, also. The freaking hiulk survived a fall from the shield helocarrier (sp?). They have done some crazy stuff.

Lmfao, you do know that 616 Thor still has lightning projection and all of his stats without Mjolnir right?

They are nowhere near as strong as 616. Not even close in the slightest.

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They aren't, they are stronger.

That only really applies to Cap, even then its not assured and an argument can be made otherwise

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Than thanos would still win

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The problem with that level of translation is that you dig yourself into the, “but why didn’t they just do X” problem.

Same problem with any higher power character.

Like if Thor and Hulk are the power level they were in the comic then nothing but the big bosses of each movie even matter. You would have to rewrite a lot of things.

Ex. In Avengers, those Chitauri (sp?) would have never made it out of that portal.

If you make everyone their level from the comics then the human characters really lose out on a lot of believability.

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@joker567892: this is the fourth time someone was joking and i thought they were serious

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@joker567892 said:

They aren't, they are stronger.

That only really applies to Cap, even then its not assured and an argument can be made otherwise

It doesn't even apply to Cap

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It honestly wouldn't change anything. Just characters being way more powerful.

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@christianrapper: But that's nothing compared to what the comics can do. Iron Man has taken multiple nukes. Can MCU do that? I sincerely doubt it.

I don’t know. I don remember 616 ironman surviving multiple nukes in the comics. Also, the plot has to call for that. the comics ignore real world consequences way more than the movie. If a nuke hit in a populated area it would be catastrophic to the civilians and surrounding area even if tony survived. Then you have the radiation to worry about. some things that work in the comics won’t translate well in live action. They just look stupid and phony.

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It honestly wouldn't change anything. Just characters being way more powerful.

You are right. They would just have more powerful enemies to fight or more PIS just like in the comics. It’s not like they are going to make a movie where the heroes just ran through everyone with no problems.