What are the following verse's Type of Multiverse based on cosmology?

I'm just curious what are the following verse's level of multiverse (Type I - IV multiverse) based on their cosmology.

This blog by @revold, mentioned the terms that are often used in vs debates such as megaverse, hyperverse, outerverse, omniverse etc. I know these terms sometimes can be described as fancy or wanky term, we need to determine each of these verse's cosmology, in order to reduce "my infinity> your infinity" stuff in debate.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/revold/blog/what-is-multiverse-megaverse-hyperverse-outerverse/135496/

List of verse:

• Marvel (Everything include M-theory, Quantum Physics etc)
• DC (Everything include Overvoid, Sphere of Gods, The Source, Vertigo etc)
• SCP (Everything included extended canon)
• Manifold Trilogy (Pre & Post-Ascension)
• Shinza (Everything under Masadaverse)
• The Elder Scrolls (Everything starting from Aurbis, Anu , Padomay, Amaranth etc)
• Shin Megami Tensei (All Games include Persona)
• Dragon Ball (Everything included Dragon Ball Heroes, Xenoverse etc)
• Magi (Everything included Sacred Palace)
• Umineko (Everything)
• Reincarnated as Slime (Everything included novel)
• Nasuverse (Everything)
• Toaru (Everything)
• STTGL (Everything)
• Xianxia (Mainly I Shall Seal The Heaven)
• Demonbane (Everything)
• Kami Tenchi (Everything)
• Demon King Daimao (Everything included Law Of Identity)
• Maou Gakuin (Everything)

Note : You can just rank the verse that you are knowledgeable.

Example answer:

1.SCP - Type III

2.Magi - Type II

3.Umineko - Type III

So on................

Callouts:

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SCP and Umineko>>>>>>

First of all - true omniverse or true type 4 doesn't exist in fictions

Besides that fact - scp has those (in this context omniverse simply means such a gigantic structure that multiverse is merely blip on it):

SCP - Type 4 Omniverse (that word is used directly in lore - so) > infinite multiverses but by nature they are closer to megaverses , megaverse - aka group of multiverses > going by map of the multiverse(megaverse) - it's infinite layers of endless spirals with dimensions (worlds) being dots next to those spirals, which logically means that those are infinite amount of layers with infinite worlds in each > multiverse also works on pataphysics and metaphysics, multiverse also mentioned to be infinitesimal part of bigger multiverse, and that works as fractal of fractals > a group of universes can group metaphysical structure > universe said to have metaphysical backbones and infinite dimensions can be argued for a universe > world works as hierarchy of worlds within worlds without end

Besides that we have jungian archetypes,platonic ideals and concepts, all possible concepts, we have anti spacetime dimensional realities and negative dimensional concepts, all of structure i listed works on uncountable infinite dimensions, we also have worlds that work on duality stuff like world where "everything exists" and alternative reality that works on duality of reality/unreality.

Beyond worlds we have void that consumes reality and unreality alike, and great abyss and "IS NOT", by merely scratching "IS NOT" you already go beyond omniverse and reality at large(stated directly) , we also have fifth realm where beings sizes are measure by aleph's and uncountable infinities, and recently we may have discovered that for you to get to "IS" - you need to "open door above void and world".

So yes i'm pretty sure it counts as Type 4 and Omniverse easily.

I'm not sure what category the Nasu multiverse would fall into.

I was thinking about this earlier when I read the xeno goku vs madoka thread. I think Xeno/heroes can be a megaverse. TBH I will say the infinite time line really does not have enough evidence to support it. Although, there plenty of statements that points to xeno/heroes being countless time lines. A single timeline would contain infinite amount of universe due to budokai 3 and there are countless timelines in xeno/heroes. That by definition should be a megaverse.

MEGAVERSAL GOKU HAHAHAHAHA

Lucifer solos

@agentkoks: Frankly, if you discussing the cardinality of infinite sets, it is assumed you already know. Similar to how everyone knows most lines are actually line segments, but who really cares. This is how you can have an infinite that is infinitely greater than another infinite. By technically having at least the latter of the two be something transfinite or just both transfinite.

So if omniverse > megaverse > multiverse is mathematically true, then at best, the megaverse, and multiverse are transfinite, and the omniverse is infinite.

If all are a true absolute infinite, which is possible due to the nature of infinite, than omniverse = megaverse = multiverse. Marvel has this as well as SCP. Uminecko is fodder.

Now I am curious about this one,bump

@properthe1: Current Marvel doesn't have even infinite multiverses, barely 8 iterations of multi eternity.

@theinterestedimpulse: fun fact outerversal is not an actual term

Ot:SCP>>>>>>>>>>>Umineko>>>>DC<=>marvel<=>shinza<=>elder scrolls<=>tensei slime(infinite multiverses with infinite universes each if the universes having infinite timelines and higher and lower dimensions and a higher world that sees slime as fiction(Wn cosmology Ln cosmology having upgrade)>almost everything eles

If you want to know about DC it’s basically this. DC is separated into 7 distinct levels.

Level 1/Positive matter Multiverse (Metaverse < dimensional hierarchy < Bleed < Timestream < Orrery - RF difference - elemental realms < or = Godsphere < Collective Unconscious(dream hierarchy) - RF difference - Comic Book Limbo - RF difference < Monitor Sphere/Nil < 6th dimension)

Level 2 Dark Matter Multiverse(Infinite subconscious realm that’s greater than the positive matter creation)

Level 3/The Greater Omniverse(Collection of infinite creations)

Level 4/The Source(Surpasses everything in the Omniverse)

Level 5/Final Heaven(Views the DCU across a screen)

Level 6/Eonymous realm(Views Final Heaven as fiction)

Level 7/Monitor Mind the Overvoid(Is the eternal consciousness upholding, containing, transcending, and underlying all of existence to function as the literal canvas where everything is drawn)

DC Doesn't have any RF differences between the multiverse and the Overvoid (proven by the fact that beings from the Overvoid interact with denizens of the multiverse normally), and the Eonymous realm is above the Overvoid.

@xearesay:

Level 7/Monitor Mind the Overvoid(Is the eternal consciousness upholding, containing, transcending, and underlying all of existence to function as the literal canvas where everything is drawn)

Quick addition. You forgot level 8 where the Presence/The Source reside since they are the top entities in DC and not The Overvoid per se. Although they might all be aspects of each other.

@enigma22: Quick reminder. You forgot the Source literally exist on the Overvoid in the center of the Omniverse. And since the Overvoid is superior to what exist on it, the Source cannot be superior to it.

Also to the guy who keeps following me around. There are actually two realms that exist in the Overvoid that view the DCU across a screen and there called Final Heaven and the Eonymous realm.

@xearesay:

You forgot the Source literally exist on the Overvoid in the center of the Omniverse. And since the Overvoid is superior to what exist on it, the Source cannot be superior to it.

Wrong. The Overvoid is a blank page and a literal tool being used by The Presence/The Source for creation. Where does it say The Overvoid > The Presence/Source?

Yeah there's never been anything in DC canon that insists the Overvoid is greater than what exists on it. And the Eonymous realm was shown to be above the Overvoid which was confirmed by the author. Likewise, Perpetua and Chronicler existed in the Overvoid and they don't see the multiverse as fictional.

@enigma22: Lol you’re still spewing this narrative? There is not one piece of evidence to support the Overvoid being wielded to carry out functions by the Presence or The Source. So I don’t understand why you keep saying this.

Also I already addressed why the Overvoid is superior to the Source in my last comment.

Lies. It’s directly said by Lucifer that the space which can be filled within Void amounts to literally 0 and that all things will return to the nothingness. Also the author never confirmed that.

Perpetua addressed the event going on in the Multiverse as a tale and a story.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/BCusInP1OxjqMe6dGCNrAnrrsnsdFkbhBcEIlbP7gwYWSENZ48pRPbXpzrHefgeNKb7rVY4rxsREzAeQqTB7U7dRSMX4BIY6nDxiM3ZAUqL51R1r67VpjfKU2cE50fY7FSm8yLP79Q=s1600

And Chroniclers perception of the Multiverse is unknown.

Beings from the multiverse were able to fight Perpetua lmao.

It's called delusions

I’m convinced that xearesay is a troll

@deagonx:

Hi Deagon,

Just wondering if the following scans below indicate higher dimensions within DC having a reality to fiction difference over the lower.

Adam is saying how our universe appears from a higher dimensional perspective to how we see a comicbook. He further compares the perception of the universe to being flat like a comicbook and with moving through time being similar to flipping through comic book pages.

And here where the Cathexis sees the lower reality across flat screens.

Much appreciated,

Thank you very much.

That's simple higher dimensions. The flatness analogy should be evident for that

@chasekilleen: lol why did you just copy and paste the message I sent to Ultima reality?

@kemono_dono: Well for starters it was shocked not scared.

The Perpetua thing doesn’t really prove anything. Yes she tore from the Overvoid to make her children but that in the end amounts to literally nothing.

Also you’re thinking about it the wrong way. While the Overvoid may appear as a white space, that white space is also it’s mind or consciousness. And DC exist in that consciousness which is another reason as to why it’s transcendent over everything in it.

@xearesay

Also you’re thinking about it the wrong way. While the Overvoid may appear as a white space, that white space is also it’s mind or consciousness. And DC exist in that consciousness which is another reason as to why it’s transcendent over everything in it.

That's such BS. DC appeared on The Overvoid against it's will/wishes. It was used as a canvas for creation. You should give this a rest already, you're literally the only one left who still spouts this nonsense.

I made a post earlier without elaborating why DB non canon games/heroes is a Megaverse. I will go into detail with this post. This the same post I made on the DB board as well regarding DB games/heroes cosmology.

I will post evidence why DB non canon games/anime/manga cosmology is a Megaverse. I will use Marvel definition of Megaverse which is a collection of multiverses.

Now, xeno/heroes cosmology contains countless time lines to infinite time lines, but most people lean towards countless. I would say countless as well has more evidence to support it.

Here Fuu stating that history forms from countless events that causes new time lines to emerge after such events.

This is from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 were the narrator states that Goku only seen a fraction of endless worlds. Worlds referrers to universes.

Countless time lines X endless worlds (infinite universes per time line) = Megaverse.

Of course this only applies to non canon DB since canon stuck at Low multiversal.

This is the epitome of what I hate in debating. A bunch of "theoretical physicists" just slapping each other's balls around and making shit up as they go.

@enigma22: You can type it’s ”BS” all you want but I’m the one who actually has evidence here. DC being created within the Overvoid amounted to literally nothing. This is stated directly by Lucifer.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11115/111152821/7205546-rco006_1468876805.jpg

If I’m the only one left still saying this then I’m clearly the only one left with some sense. Creating something within a space does not make you superior to said space. Especially when said creation is directly mentioned to have amounted to nothing relative to said space.

@lordragoon: That's not what the Japanese says. If you're gonna make shit up at least make it correct in the English translation, it is saying that the world's that Goku are seeing is merely a small piece of the potential "What if worlds"

These what if worlds are endless or infinite as long as that the people that loves the Dragon Ball exists.

もしもの世界は無限にある。

ドラゴンボールを愛する人がいる限り。。。

@chasekilleen: The whole point is that goku only saw a fraction of endless worlds. The "what if" and people only loving DB does not really matter. Since, during the what if story goku fought against many character from these different universes before the ending.

Bahahahaha, what can I expect from an English Only Peasant that can't even understand the language of the scan that they sent.

語空が見たのは、もしもの世界のひとかけらに過ぎない。

もしもの世界は無限にある。

ドラゴンボールを愛する人がいる限り。。。

The "what if worlds" and the endless worlds, they are the exact same context. Context used in the infinite and endless what if worlds are the same context as well. It is saying that if people love Dragon Ball then those what if worlds would exist endlessly (of course infinite is used in the same context as endless)

Hell, the scan you sent from Xenoverse in Japanese has a different nuance

まあ　歴史なんて　無限に枝分かれしてるうえに　どの歴史がどう正しいあかねんて分からない。。。

枝分かれして so here is that it is in the state of branching off.

枝分かれ = branch off

する = to do

When you combine to two it equals 枝分かれする meaning "to branch" and when you convert it to the enduring state,する turns into している. In casual Japanese い is often taken away, so it is just left with してる.

It says that history is currently branching off endlessly at this very moment.

@chasekilleen: The "what if" is a story mode with in the game and it has nothing to do with endless world stated by narrator. The "what if" is just a possible side story that can happen. The whole point of stating their is endless world is that goku only seen a portion of it. Again the part of people loving dragon ball has nothing to do with it. Also Budokai Tenchaichi 3 is not the only games that states there are endless worlds in the DB games.

@lordragoon: 🤣😂no it's not you English Only Peasant, you have never proven anything. The kanji explicitly states that those Endless worlds are called the What If worlds

もしもの世界のひとかけらに過ぎない。

It literally says here that the what if worlds that Goku is only seeing a small fragment of those "endless what if world's"

This context doesn't even correlate to the game mode called what if. It just says that those endless worlds are explicitly called "what if worlds".

The context below says that the "What if" worlds are only endless only IF people who love Dragon Ball exists.

Show me proof in Japanese and prove that What If world are separate a context to the Endless world, I dare you.

@chasekilleen: That statement doesn't say infinite worlds (the Budokai one) it says that the worlds will exist (a ru) infinitely (mugen ni) as long as people love in DB in the sense of like existing eternally (hence why the as long as) it has nothing to do with the amount of worlds at all

The particle ある is not even used to in this context to mean "will exist". It means that there is an inanimate object(s).

に used with ある will mean that it is a state of being for non-living objects.

Both ある and いる show that there is something. They may or may not be interchangeable depending on their use. Even when you can choose between the two, one will always be more prevalent/natural than the other.

You can see that in this guide here by Imabi https://www.imabi.net/aruiru.htm

It means there are infinite what-if worlds, because it is a state of being. What you're saying works in the sense of 存在する which means "to exist" and not ある which means "there is"

Edit: If it is used in the sense of "eternal and perpetual/unchanging" then it would be 永遠 and not 無限. This reminds me of this statement by Beerus when mistranslated to infinite when it was eternal and perpetual.

（ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。

Even then this is just hyperbolic purple prose trash that people from Vsbfags like to use.

Hyperbolic Test Platonic Darkness IV for Marvel, DC would probably be a Omega Unomnipredent Authorversal type of cosmology, perhaps even more.

@chasekilleen: I didn't mean it's literally eternally as in what's written but existing infinitely is synonymous with eternally. and I'm pretty sure に there is connected to 無限 for infinitely hence "the what-if worlds infinitely (in the sense of forever) exist" or "there are what if worlds forever ) because にある been used in the sense of being existing in as far as I've seen which makes no sense here grammatically.

You're talking about に particle in a vacuum, it's uses, not only just limits to at/in/on/to, when talking about the context of a physical destination.

Can you do me a favor and actually read these grammar guides? https://www.imabi.net/theparticleni.htm

に shows deep establishment of an action or state. For the most part, it is equivalent to "at."
The next sections describe the most important usages of に.

• に may show where something exists or occurs and even mark the person of possession. With this comes a strong sense of relation between the verb and what に attaches to.

This context here is used to mark that something exists or occurs and not used as a targeting sense to target the X location.
It is merely marking the ある (verb).

Gotta read more native materials tsk tsk tsk.

Agreed.

@chasekilleen: Yeah, as your link writes out, に's usage as existence talks about the location which clearly isn't the case what's being construed here. The very lines you quoted says "where something exists or occurs" and equate to "at", all the while the few possibly relatable sentences like the one about having children and the popular girl are structured completely differently

I don't browse online dictionaries too often but https://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-japanese-grammar-24/ and https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/にある seem to have decent example instances for the usage of にある

@gelato_exotic: i'm kinda confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?? You just got to read more in Japanese lol. に in this case isn't talking about location, it is talking about the existence. Trust me.

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