Were Cap's Physicals Amped In Endgame - Yes Or No?

Durability no strength yes

So...you think regular super soldier cap swinging Mjnoir can send Thanos tumbling to his knees? What is there to debate here?

@mattyboi: He took hits from Thanoswhioe holding the hammer. One hit without he was down and took a good minute to get up.

IIRC he didnt take any direct hits thanos just hit his shield a few times and that put him down

@mattyboi: When he was down, Thanos knocked him out with one punch.

Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.

What more do you want?

I know

This is such a meme, but anyway this sums it up.

That quote is so memes, anyway if Cap supposedly does have Physicals Amped to Thor Level, then why did he keep getting pretty much one shotted by Thanos from a direct hit?

Does it really matter guys? Captain America always seems to be just strong enough to get the job done, he's a meme character at this point.

This is the second time Odin contradicted himself/retconned something.

He states they’re not gods but then acknowledges Hela and Thor as deities, then he says Mjolnir was just a conduit/focus for Thor’s powers which goes against what was said in the first film about being worthy of the hammer meaning the user gets the power of Thor.

“You’re the god of thunder not the god of hammers.” So...what gives?

I'm leaning towards yes. He wouldn't have been able to keep his shield up without breaking his arm when Thanos destroyed it. He also used his shield to parry a couple attacks from Thanos.

Yes.

@socajunkie:

He didn't contradict anything. Thor had his power before the hammer, to punish his arrogance, Odin depowered him and then cast a spell on the hammer "whosoever shall hold this hammer, if he be worthy shall have the power of Thor"

He simply meant in Ragnarok that Thor doesn't need his hammer to channel his powers since he is the god of thunder not hammers.

OT cap definitely had Thor's physicals otherwise he wouldn't even hurt Thanos which he did.

Different writers/directors

In the comics Thor still has powers without his hammer. Its the same thing in the MCU basically. Just because Thor eventually developed the ability to use lightning on his own doesn't mean Mjolnir doesn't amp the user.

No he took a hit from thanos in infinity war. Also the russos love cap no matter how powerful thr villian is cap will be much more of a match then some other avengers who would ragdoll him.

@subline: Thor would too? Rag Thor clearly got slammed when Thanos boarded. Thor didn’t because he is now Stormbreaker Thor.

@socajunkie: Considering Ragnarok takes place after Thor, I'd have to say his statement that the hammer is powerless takes precedence. He could've revoked the enchantment tying Thor's powers to the hammer off-screen for all we know.

@torikowontdie: Russo Force (I highly doubt they watched Ragnarok)

I think we need to treat the quote the same way we treat the Shazam quote and the quote from WW. Although we did see some evidence that the quotes from the two movies were true.

No, he blocked all Thanos' strikes with his shield and got one shot the minute he took a punch

Why do people think he was amped? Cap has always punched above his weight class with his shield

@namebk: Cap blocked a shot from Mjolnir in Avengers 1 that leveled part of a forest, him blocking high tier blows with his shield is nothing new

I think we got to see more impressive durability feats in Endgame. I don’t think anything was really improved. If anything I thought maybe he was hindered since he hadn’t used his shield in so long, but he is a super soldier, so who knows. Once he gets Mjölnir he’s a beast!

Near the end of Thor 1 when Thor as Donald Blake got Mjölnir to fight the destroyer Armor he went from getting one shotted to being able to Combat the Armor, I dont see why it wouldn't Amp Physicals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmLcJ6UO5_Y

His durability was just regular Russo-force durability. Thanos' hits were affecting him just the same with or without Mjolnir. The hammer just amped his damage output.

Striking with the hammer, obviously yes. Durability, not at all it seemed. Strength, unlikely. The only damage he ever did was with the hammer and as a direct result of the hammer.

I’m not sure why people are confused by this. The hammer has been clearly stated and shown to give the powers of Thor to those that are worthy. This is further reinforced by Cap being able to summon lightning which is obviously one of Thor’s powers.

It gave Jane Foster a durability boost in the comics.

Saying that it did the same to Steve Rogers in this universe is not a reach in any proportion.

Why is this even in this section tho. Its not a battle

No....it's just regular Russo force

Only when holding the hammer.

There's no debate here. Do people think that base Cap stats can do this to Thanos?

@gateofbabylon: yes, with the hammer...

Thor puts his own strength behind hammer strikes all the time. Later, we see Cap casually stop a giant alien easily when in Infinity War he struggled from an outrider jumping on him. He also was able to keep standing when Thanos was hitting his shield for more than one strike whereas before, one hit to the shield would knock him down and away. Also, Cap recovered fairly quickly from Thanos slamming him into the ground. Cap seemed buffed by feats. It would be pretty crazy if that's the level normal Cap is now at. Cap was also resisting his own hammer strike to the ground when we know that move in TDW affects aliens who can fight asgardians.

Cap was getting knocked away with single hits from Thanos before Mjolnir. He'd block and still get sent through stone.

Exactly, Thanos was getting passed the shield's special properties and Cap's body still held up pretty well considering. We saw Black Panther get ko'd by a punch when vibranium failed. Cap's shield definitely failed, but Cap was still in one piece.

@captainsweatpan: So you think Cap holding a random household hammer could hit almost that hard too? Because that's basically what you're arguing. If so, you need some serious physics lessons.

Thor later gets one-shotted right before Cap does. and Thanos was very serious. Cap jumping on Thanos's back and helping Thor made Thanos groan indicating his strength was making a difference, leading Thanos to change tactics and ko Thor and then Cap. Cap getting knocked away 1/2 of the times was without Mjolnir. The other two, he was tossed and then punched in the face and taking full force sword strikes to the shield which caused the vibranium to fail meaning force from those blows got transferred to Cap's body, then he was sent flying, went went through something, and landed. Not ko'd though, just aching. He did get slammed into the ground and got up pretty fast.

That moment when people can't tell if it is the writer wanking their favorite character or the literal power of the gods flowing through his veins.

I guess this means Russo Force = The Power of Thor.

No. Worthy Thor >>> Worthy Cap. Cap's power with Mjolnir was nowhere on Thor's level. The reason why he survived a punch from Thanos is the same reason countless other human tier adversaries have, plot force.

This shouldn’t even be a question. Hammer strikes aside, he was knocking Thanos back with knees and shield strikes as well - his strength was very clearly amped by holding the hammer.

What? Thor had only above normal human stats before regaining his power. All he had to do was hold the hammer and stats and hammer control were given to him. It's literally part of the spell to give the wielder the power of Thor. There's no button for Cap to press to use lightning and certainly no device to call the hammer back to him. Plus Cap wasn't just swatted away like he was twice before Mjolnir. Suddenly, even on the defense, Cap could last longer. There are two parts to the fight with Thanos and Cap. One where Cap is on the offense, and one where he's on the defense. Both parts show improvement on Cap's part, with his offensive showing being the most impressive to most people.

@jdogg: Worthy Thor>>> Worthy Cap. Ha don't make me laugh. Endgame Thor was bleeding and nearly killed by Thanos with a few strikes.

@gateofbabylon said:

There's no debate here. Do people think that base Cap stats can do this to Thanos?

It’s the maximum power of Russo-Force.

Goodness, look at him go.

He jumped on Thanos' back like a cat, so I'd say yes.

@rebake: When did I say unworthy Thor was stronger than Cap? I said Worthy Thor was.

They only get the Hammer's power. They don't get Thor's asgardian strength, agility, and durability. Worthy Thor's feats >>> Worthy Cap's feats. You can literally look at the difference in their wind up speed.

Cap was oneshotted by Thanos once he connected a solid hit. The only times Cap wasn't oneshotted was when he used the shield for protection.

Tbh cap scaling is ridiculous in MCU. Watch this.

Spiderman can easily catch Bucky fist and web antman in giant form but gets overpowered by cap.

Ultron chokes out Thor and tanks mjiolnr from vision but almost gets cut in half by cap shield.

Iron man can catch cars and overpower Thor at times however in civil cap body slammed him and beat into his armor.