Was Hulk weaker in Endgame?

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I've seen several people state that Hulk was weaker in Endgame despite nothing in the movie stating so. Yes he is smaller but that's irrelevant, OG Hulk was bigger than Thanos evidently and by word of filmmakers, same with Cull, so it's not like size matters. Am I missing something? What do you think?

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Hulk was definitely weaker.

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@g2_: Based on what?

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@kluhh: Horrible feats. Arm damage is permanent.

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@g2_: How does lack of feats equate to horrible feats? Thanos arm is permanently damaged too.

10/10 horrible logic all around.

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@kluhh: Yes, you're right, I messed up. Maybe because he is smaller, he lost a lot of muscle.

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@g2_: Thor lost lots of muscle and had it replaced with fat yet he's still the same and at his best according to Russos. Cull is bigger and more ripped than anyone yet is weaker than Thanos.

I see lots of people saying he's weaker for no good reason other than he's smaller yet they ignore Thor being fat and treat him as if he got stronger

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Hulk had his best strength feat in Endgame after losing his arm. He lift the Avengers base which is the size of a mall

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#9  Edited By mimisalome

It probably got something to do with his effective anger management practice that keeps him from getting angry (and stronger).

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Of course he was

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Probably yes as he wasn't angry at all. But I don't think he was that much weaker.

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he fought like a little b*tch. all the outdated memes done him bad

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He was not weaker.

His role in endgame simply was not fighting.

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Aaand exactly like I said a bunch of people who assume he was weaker because he was smaller and did not fight lol.

He was not weaker. Fact.

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@thanosii:

always wanking?

hulk lifted one small portion of the avengers base and he tired quickly. antman had to save him.

sorry bruh.

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@midbody: Rewatch the scene. The film zooms in on the portion he is lifting, it's a large crater with layers upon layers of earth along with hundreds of tons of water leaking in.

He might as well have been lifting the whole facility.

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It’s possible, since he wasn’t angry and was smaller in size.

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#19  Edited By Supermanfan1938

Yes. Remember when he was hyped and treated as the Avengers' trump card? Now he's just a big green nerd they occasionally call on for non battle related tasks.

At this point Iron Man surpassed him, Cap surpassed him with Mjolnir, Thor long since surpassed him, they got new members way more powerful and reliable: Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, hell Hulkbuster Banner was more useful

Hulk's strength comes from his anger, why would a passive hipster Hulk be as strong as before?

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Yes. Remember when he was hyped and treated as the Avengers' trump card? Now he's just a big green nerd they occasionally call on for non battle related tasks.

At this point Iron Man surpassed him, Cap surpassed him with Mjolnir, Thor long since surpassed him, they got new members way more powerful and reliable: Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, hell Hulkbuster Banner was more useful

Hulk's strength comes from his anger, why would a passive hipster Hulk be as strong as before?

Hulk has a base strength any real fan would know that. He gets stronger after he reaches a certain level of anger in the MCU. EG Hulk is as strong as any other version of the Hulk seen before who was not angry.

Hulk when he rocked Surtur wasn't angry, he was excited to fight a big monster. So by your logic he was weak there too right? He wasn't even significantly angry against Fenris if he was angry at all.

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@kluhh:

HEADCANNON JUST DONT CUT IT MATE.

hulk supported a small portion of the damaged base, tired quickly and was saved by antman.

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@midbody: It wasn't small. He also had to support meters of earth as he was underground. Water was adding onto the weight. He used one arm and was already weakened.

Try doing push ups with one arm.

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@kluhh:

thats your headcanon mate.

i saw the scene again. its not even clear what hulk is lifting and under what support beams/ floors.

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Nope same power wise like most characters are in every movie they appear, if anything hes maybe less combat efficient due to his less beast like mind size and rage in battle.

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No. Hulk was clearly was stronger in Endgame.

He used the nano gauntlet, which was less well made than the original gauntlet, and not only survived but immediately after lifted thousands of tons of Avengers facility rubble and nearby rock and river water ... with one arm ... for several minutes.

The OG gauntlet produced 5336 megatons of power surge according to Rocket, and the nano gauntlet channelled enough power to light up a continent according to Tony.

Tony died using the nano gauntlet to do much less than Hulk: kill Thanos and his army vs bring back to life half the universe. The use of nano gauntlet is at least equivalent to a full power nuke exploding inside a person's body. OG gauntlet even hurt Thanos very badly each time he used it.

For comparison, DCEU Supes took a nuke in BvS and nearly died until the sun revitalized him.

Prior to Endgame, Hulk's best power feats were killing a Leviathan and punching Surtur. Both impressive, but lesser feats.

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I don't think he was literally weaker. It's just that his human intelligence and mentality prevented him from going all out and taking certain risks, he otherwise would.

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He didn't have the same anger as Savage Hulk, so technically yes.

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He was a bum before and a bum afterwards.

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@midbody said:

@kluhh:

thats your headcanon mate.

i saw the scene again. its not even clear what hulk is lifting and under what support beams/ floors.

Actually that's YOUR headcanon.

Hulk is awake when 2014 Thanos bombs Avengers headquarters. That bombing rearranges the terrain of the river, natural land, and facility. Hulk is visibly directly under a massive crack in the Earth, where the Avengers facility and the rearranged natural landscape meet.

So he's holding up falling and unstable rock, metal, cement, river water, and the equipment onsite above him. All of this is literally onscreen. This is visible. Not headcanon. Look at the bombing scene, where bombs hit, and what they do on ground.

Now think logically about the franchise, and how Hulk was depicted throughout. Hulk's only fight loss is to Thanos, who beat everyone he fought until Tony got the gauntlet.

Hulkbuster knocked Hulk out after Hulk came out of mind control and did NOT KNOW he was in a fight ... so cannot count. If I hit Dwayne Johnson in the head with a big rock (get it?) when he doesn't even know I'm there, nobody would say I beat him in a fight.

Hulk nearly beat Ragnarok Thor to death until he got awakened with the Odinforce (Odin is dead during their battle, Thor is Odin's son, Thor sees Odin in a vision while getting pummeled by Hulk and only later by Hela who is CLEARLY killing Thor in that moment). And even then, at the moment Grandmaster uses the disc, Hulk is standing despite taking two huge lightning strikes.

Also in Ragnarok, Hulk punches full power Surtur so hard Thor is worried Hulk will stop him from destroying Asgard and killing Hela. Thor is worried Hulk will stop a literal planet buster.

Now, back to Endgame. Hulk uses the nano gauntlet (stated by Tony to channel enough energy to light up a continent), less efficient than the original gauntlet (shown by Rocket to produce 5336 megatons power surge), and only loses consciousness for maybe a minute.

So, based on all this in the franchise, why would Hulk be lifting some vague and weak amount at the climax of the biggest movie of the franchise? Why would the creators suddenly disrespect him like that? Much more obviously, they did not, and Hulk is in fact doing an incredible (get it?) feat of strength. Also, the movie audio commentary, and movie script both explicitly state Hulk is lifting the Avengers facility / as an homage to the Secret Wars comic mountain lift.

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He is weakened. His power level is tied to his anger and Endgame Hulk is the calmest he’s ever been. How much weaker is a debate but being weaker isn’t.

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He is weakened. His power level is tied to his anger and Endgame Hulk is the calmest he’s ever been. How much weaker is a debate but being weaker isn’t.

Nonsense. 616 Hulk has gone through various incarnations of different base strength. Classic savage, Grey, Worldbreaker, Immortal, etc. MCU Hulk in Endgame also is a different incarnation than the previous MCU Hulk, as evidence by Professor Hulk saying "18 months in the gamma lab" starting from a point when Banner could not turn into the Hulk. So there is every reason to assume that in Endgame, Hulk has a different base strength. Looking at the gauntlet use he's at least stronger than nano suit Iron Man who dies using it. Looking at the one-armed Avengers facility lift that happens immediately after the blip, he's the strongest Hulk ever.

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Logically he's weaker. But here in CV, the Avengers facility support feat is assumed to be million tonnes and was his best feat.

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#34  Edited By JediSympathiz3r

@oldmansolo: The energy was mostly Gamma so it’s not a reliable form of durability scaling for Hulk.

Staggering Surter should be superior to the building lift.

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@oldmansolo: The energy was mostly Gamma so it’s not a reliable form of durability scaling for Hulk.

Staggering Surter should be superior to the building lift.

"Mostly gamma." So if that's the case Hulk is even stronger by the time he finishes with the gauntlet. Because both Banner and Hulk absorb gamma. Them absorbing gamma is the very nature of their power. It's literally how they get their power. Thus by the Avengers facility lift, he is max strength.

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@oldmansolo: That supposed amp would be balanced out by one of his arms getting fried.

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@oldmansolo: That supposed amp would be balanced out by one of his arms getting fried.

Yes, exactly. Which is why he was struggling ... to lift thousands of tons of the Avengers facility and nearby landscape ... with one arm. Valid power display of balancing out, I'd say.

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@oldmansolo: well right now his arm damage is permanent so he’s only going to be using one arm. Again, the Surter feat should be superior.

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He got his best durability feat thus far if you can even call it that.

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Possible but not certain

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Weaker? Haha

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I've seen several people state that Hulk was weaker in Endgame despite nothing in the movie stating so. Yes he is smaller but that's irrelevant, OG Hulk was bigger than Thanos evidently and by word of filmmakers, same with Cull, so it's not like size matters. Am I missing something? What do you think?

Everyone look at this photo. Hulk is using an inferior gauntlet to accomplish a universal feat, bringing half of all life back from death. Tony dies using the same gauntlet to accomplish a lesser feat, killing Thanos and his army. Tony died doing this while wearing his most powerful armor ever. Hulk barely lost consciousness while doing a greater feat, without even being angry. Hulk is clearly stronger in Endgame than he has ever been before. His previous most powerful feat is punching the crap out of planet buster Surtur.

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@kluhh said:
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I've seen several people state that Hulk was weaker in Endgame despite nothing in the movie stating so. Yes he is smaller but that's irrelevant, OG Hulk was bigger than Thanos evidently and by word of filmmakers, same with Cull, so it's not like size matters. Am I missing something? What do you think?

Everyone look at this photo. Hulk is using an inferior gauntlet to accomplish a universal feat, bringing half of all life back from death. Tony dies using the same gauntlet to accomplish a lesser feat, killing Thanos and his army. Tony died doing this while wearing his most powerful armor ever. Hulk barely lost consciousness while doing a greater feat, without even being angry. Hulk is clearly stronger in Endgame than he has ever been before. His previous most powerful feat is punching the crap out of planet buster Surtur.

oof you can't argue with this ^

Hulk wasn't weaker he was just more civilized and thus didn't overuse his strength like he did in all the older films

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Ehh not weaker but to be expected. No suprises. I will say it's interesting that thanos' arm fared much better than Hulk's. Hell Thanos snapped twice.

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No. He got one of his best feats in Endgame.