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#1 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

One of my favorite Ultimate characters who died way too early in the universe was none other than Ultimate Logan. The first Mutant in the Ultimate Universe. So here is some respect for him.

Ultimate Hulk

Ultimate Thor

Ultimate Captain America

Ultimate Mr Fantastic/The Maker

Ultimate Hawkeye

Ultimate Kitty Pride

Ultimate Spider Woman

Ultimate Spider Man (Peter Parker)

Ultimate Venom

Ultimate Invisible Woman

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Quick older bio with the history of Wolverine.

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As well a quick bio on Wolverine as Cable.

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Durability

His Regen and Adamantium allows him to have more high showings than low ones. Most of his low ones were also issues 1-40, and he just did not get KOed by anything small time since then to his death.

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Shotgun to the face, no issue for Wolverine.

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Shot from every angle by SHIELD agents and never drops.

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Dazzler who can one shot multiple Sentinels with her blasts, rages out on Wolverine. Blasting Wolverine hard enough to crater the stone ceiling. Wolverine shrugs it off.

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Lightning from Storm does little to Wolvie.

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Ran over by a 50+ ton easy semi truck with load, and dragged across the road a good distance to boot. This was done while a life force eating being was in his body and taxing the healing factor to the limits already. Wolverine through the whole deal is shown to be still conscious, and rather calm of the whole ordeal.

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Blasted to another state, and yet Wolverine makes his back to the school in the time to get Ice Man to the medical bay and hooked up for time frame. So I doubt he was KOed given the stupidly absurd time frame he traveled back. He also held onto the evidence of the attackers identity, so he was conscious the whole time after the blast anyway.

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Wolverine is blasted by Phoenix's flames that melts steel into liquids, and Wolverine fights on and heals fully in a few panels.

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This mutant has the power to burn up biological matter in a radius via toxins and acid like poisons. Whole groups of people burn up into ash in a super short time frame. Wolverine is fine.

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Rogue with Wolverine's power regrows a arm in minuets time frame. In the time for a very short few page fight to end in fact for some time reference.

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Wolverine gets wailed on by Ultimate Hulk from the temple, through the forest, and to the mountain side without being KOed at all until ripped in half, and tossed half a mile away.

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Wolverine here shows the durability to withstand the blows from an half powered 712 Hyperion for five pages without ever being KOed. Half a planet buster is still half a planet buster.

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Survives a megaton nuke, and after SHIELD pulls him apart, survives as a head. A feat impossible for 616 Wolverine.

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To compare 616 Logan to the superior Ultimate Logan, look no further than the fact 616 Logan was nearly killed having the Adamantium ripped from his body.

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Ultimate Logan in comparison has nearly all his organs and flesh blasted off him. Yet he still fights on as a bloody skeleton.

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In Ultimate Logan's case it took nothing less than the full disintegration of his body to end him from coming back.

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Further more 616 Wolverine can be killed by drowning or head decapitation.

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Ultimate Logan can survive as just a head. Fury states Logan's power is not healing. Its simply surviving no matter what the situation may be. Whether his head is cut off, or put in a room with no oxygen. He will live. Which is why Magneto can only kill Ultimate Logan with total disintegration. So who is better? 616 Logan's healing factor, or Ultimate Logan? Clearly Ultimate.

Adamantium Claws

Wolverine is equipped for weapons Admantium claws on each hand.

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Wolverines claws are very useful to cut out of incapacitate scenarios.

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Rips open easy Ultimate Colossus who was nearly impossible to hurt. Never been stabbed or damage with his organic metal before. Colossus metal even tank a mini nuke.

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Wolverine claws easy Swiss cheese Iron Man's armor with no effort.

Speed

Wolverine has a degree of super speed. Able to push his body faster thanks to his healing, and the strength he has with his body weight as a constant workout.

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Wolverine reacts faster than the humans can pull the trigger.

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Dodges machine gun fire up close.

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Wolverine blitzes a suicide bomber from across a room in artistic speed fashion, faster than the bomber can hot the suicide bomb button.

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In this set of scans, a drawn Sidewinder missile fire by an Apache, which is Mach 2 in flight speed, sends Wolverine flying across some roof tops, and then through a wall of a building for added injury. In that small time frame of traveling at Mach 2 over roughly 1000 of feet, after slamming into the block wall, Wolverine sticks his claws in the missile, flips over it, and rides the blast wave out.

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Wolverine kills a small army of Zombies surrounding him and Cyke in 4 blurred strikes.

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Ultimate Quicksilver is stated in bio to have reaction time equal to his speed. Wolverine has reacted to a blitzing Pietro before attempting to catch Cyclopes, and tagged him before he could react after chatting with him. Wolverine again was able to surprise Pietro with a ambush and tag him again before Quicksilver could react.

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Quicksilver speed reaction is pretty tried and true too by feats. Quicksilver reacts to a bullet at close range already fired, and left the barrel. catching the bullet while KOing the soldier at the same time. Wakes up and in the next panel the world is still to him. Reacts to a rocket bullet fired at Scarlet Witch after it been fired.

Super Senses

Wolverine sense of smell is super human. Able to sniff out others trying to hide, and track people across cities.

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Wolverine sniffs out Jenny and Betty, and even smells the Altoid Jenny is chewing.

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Wolverine easily senses Daredevil in the shadows. Stating he smells like books as Matt is an lawyer who pours over the law books.

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Wolverine tracks Gambit's scent across New York.

Stealth

To be a effective assassin, Wolverine was train and altered to be perfect at stealth.

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Wolverine is stated to be invisible to Radar.

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Wolverine stealth Iron Man who has various sensors, including radar.

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Wolverine stealth Black Widow. Being right on top of her before Wolverine alerts her to his presence.

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Weapon X has full surveillance on the building. They shoot Wolverine full of bullets. Wolverine still slips out without them knowing.

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Magneto who senses metal from miles away is still ambushed by Wolverine. Magneto was fully aware of the fighting and gunfire around him too, meaning he was clearly being aware.

Mental Resistance

Wolverine has insane mental resistance thanks to Weapon X.

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Wolverine stated to be the perfect Assasin for Xavier due to Xavier being unable to read Logan's thoughts.

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Kurts mental training can resist SHIELD telepaths for days. Even then, Fury states Kurt is not Logan.

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This mutant can control the mind of any man. It even worked on Thor and Thor has incredible mental resistance feats. Yet Wolverine was totally unaffected.

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Even Phoenix Jean can barely scratch the thought of Wolverine's mind.

Skill

Many try to state Ultimate Wolverine is not that skilled. This is a pretty big lie. Wolverine skill can be well seen. Alot of these showings below show clear skill against beings, or quantity of super beings, that he takes down with ease and skilled like moves. We see several examples of placing attacks in the right spots of the body to be effective but non lethal while under the most distressful of situations.

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Wolverine's bio rates him a deserved 6/7.

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His Cable bio states he is adept with most weapons and fighting styles. This Bio was printed before the big reveal he was Wolverine of the not distant destroyed future that is only a few years in the future, not decades as some suggest. Meaning the bio skill would not be overnight at all, and something Wolverine clearly possessed mostly before hand.

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Stated as the most dangerous killer in the world.

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Cap states after reading Wolverine Weapon X Files that his personnel memories are replace with fighting maneuvers.

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Wolverine taking down over a dozen Brotherhood Mutants by himself while holding a casual conversation.

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Takes down Gambit who had been naturally train enough to single handily take down a criminal empire alone. Gambit natural skill was then train further to fight the X-Men, knowing their weakness and strength, and initially surprise Wolverine with his power. After all this context, in their second encounter, Wolverine destroys Gambit and plays around while doing it.

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Wolverine is so good that Cap does not take him head on. He states he needs tactical advantage of making Wolverine unfocused, as well shooting Logan up from a safe distance before taking him down.

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Cap again refuses to fight Logan head on, opting for tactile advantage. Even when Wolverine is pinned by Cap manage a flash bang, and save the other two X-men Jean and Colossus under the Ultimates nose in that small window.

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Cyclopes started a fight with Wolverine, and gets decimated in hand to hand, unable to dodge, block or counter even though Cyclopes is the most train of all Xaviers X-Men. Train since he was a child via the Danger Room.

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Wolverine here is in terrible shape, yet still decimates easy the reality warp summon Brotherhood by Magician. Even with his limited powerset taking down Magicain reality warp attacks.

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Wolverine casually takes down Xavier's prepared X-Men simulation. Considering the detail abilities of the Danger Room, and Xavier own input on the team through his Psychic abilities, its as good as the real thing IMO. Wolverine shows many skilled maneuvers in this as well.

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Nice showings of Wolverine using clear skill to set up a combo attack with Storm, and then solos the rest of the team busting Sentinels by himself.

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Takes down She Hulk with a skilled planting of his claws. he places his claws so precicly that he nailed one kidney, but had his middle claws aimed for the Liver, all while being thrashes and a thumb in the eye. Knowledge of the human body with skill placement in a fight on a superior super human.

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Great feat as Wolverine here is not even a 1 toner in strength. Through skill alone, he takes Thing down in one blow. Same thing who beat Zombie Hulk easy, and match Ultimate Hulk and Hyperion. Wolverine takes him down with one well planted kick after a dodge. He did this while having a special flu virus that mutated faster than he could heal! Skill.

We also have Wolverine vs establish skilled foes like Ultimate Sabertooth.

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Ultimate Sabertooth is very establish, showing the skill to stalemate Ultimate Cap in Ultimates 3, take down Ultimate Hawkeye easy, and fight both Wolverine and Storm at the same time while holding back with success. Yet more often than not Wolvie deals with him, even one shotting him in 2 separate fights.

Probably one of the best feats to gauge hm is as Cable. Wolverine loses his arm and healing ability int he Apocalypse fight, and Apocalypse wrecks the planet in turn. All we know is Wolverine is older in age greatly, had no official further training, and had to rely on skill and gear alone to fight off the X-men, including his original self.

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In this fight we see a Wolverine who in scan 11 states he has thirty years with no healing factor relying soley on skill and gear which is why he is a better fighter. this rings true for 616 Wolverine, but shows how skilled he is when strictly applied without healing abilities in the mix. He is able to take down the whole roster of X-men, with only his younger mutant power counterpart as the only real challenge. Still he beat himself by getting into his younger self's head, lots of tech for prep, and equal skill. I say equal as Cable was not besting Wolverine at all in attacks and counters, and had the benefit of messing with Wolverines head, and prep with gear. So clearly the skill factor applies both ways. We also see many accurate throws with devices, applying lethal attacks that turn out not to be lethal under pressure like he did to Ice Man and Kitty, and redirect Cyclopes beam into the Black Bird, and more skill related feats.

Ultimate Adamantium Is Weaker Than 616 Adamantium Debunk

Alright, there is a huge issue I see often is of people believing Ultimate Universe Adamantium is weaker to 616 Universe Adamantium base on NO REAL EVIDENCE!

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Even Mention in his Official Bio as unbreakable Adamantium.

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Scientist Jennifer Walters flats out mentions in the Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine comic if Wolverine's joints are possibly covered in Adamantium.

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Yuri here is explained by Professor Cornelius (who made ultimate Wolverine Skeleton) that some parts of his Body has not been Ossified. This stands to reasons unlike 616 Wolverine who has IMPOSSIBLE Adamantium Joints Ultimate Wolverine does not. Only his Bones (except the one above) are coated. He can be with great strength ripped apart.

So lets look at this suppose Adamantium breaking according to badly edited Wikipedias, and general nonsense.

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1-2) Both Examples of the Spine and Neck Joints being ripped apart. Not the Bones Breaking.

3-4) Again No Bones breaking, more examples of Joint area Ripping out!

So from we see, the Bones were never broken. He was pulled apart people!

Also other Adamantium misinformation from Wikiaperdias.

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1) Hulk does not break Adamantium Tip Needle, he breaks the non Adamantium Vial part in Caps Hand.

2) Sabertooth does not break a Adamantium claw. It was always like that in its first appearance, for no explain reason. Perhaps they ran out of Adamantium.

3) This Adamantium Cage does not break, the Cage is whole and open. Did it have a Mechanize Lock that burned out? I see no damage to the cage.

4-5) Captain America's Shield was NEVER stated to be Adamantium. It was made by Henry Pym and Cap said it was Indestructible. Simple as that. His new Shield was made from Asgard Dwarven Smiths.

6) Death Strike had her neck broken. Long Shot Reality Warps with his Luck Powers.

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#4 Posted by nickzambuto (29288 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Do you think it's right that Ultimate Cap wouldn't be able to defeat Wolverine, even if he had to? I'd like to think he was just playing it safe and efficient, not really admitting "I would lose if I fought you head-to-head."

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#5 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Do you think it's right that Ultimate Cap wouldn't be able to defeat Wolverine, even if he had to? I'd like to think he was just playing it safe and efficient, not really admitting "I would lose if I fought you head-to-head."

Sure. Whole point of Cap is tactics.