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Introduction

Bane of the Sith… and of the Jedi

Foreword: I would like to apologize for the length of the blog. I wanted to leave no rock/stone unturned, while also trying to be thorough and precise. I ask that you read my blog with care, at least, and please, do tell me of any disagreements that might come your way as you read this blog.

Each part of this blog is meant to be read almost separately. There is no need to connect POD Bane to ROT Bane, or ROT Bane to DOE Bane for the blog to make sense. I look at, explain, and talk about many different things that make Bane powerful, regardless of time and place. Do some of these explanations connect to something else in the blog? Yes, because I wrote it to be like that on purpose. But this is not the case with everything present here.

Bane's biology:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Bane

Key characters:

This will be the introduction to several key character

Once upon a time, there was a little planet called Korriban, in which the sith species resided. They were big, strong, red-skinned humanoids, who had a natural talent for the force. They were evil by nature, and loved power more than everything else. They fought each other for thousands of years, and conquered worlds for just as long. Before the sith ‘united’ into an order, ruled by one Sith Lord, they had on and off rulers and oppressors, who were mostly individuals who simply abused their strength in their force against their weaker fellow sith. They may have been simply too big and strong, or too skilled in the force compared to the others, but this gave them significant edges. Over many generations, the sith fought and fought for power, with oftentimes, only the strongest of the sith being left alive. These few lucky ones would then rule the sith species (or at least a portion of them) for some number of years. This stopped almost abruptly though, during the reign of Dathka Graush, who almost completely dominated the species, just before becoming their supreme ruler. Graush was powerful, skilled, and absurdly evil, even by sith standards.

After his death, and some centuries later, an ancestor of his (Hakagram Graush) took up the mantle of king of the sith people. Albeit, unfortunately for Hakagram, this happened at a very bad time. Hakagram’s reign was set during the time in which the dark jedi exiles arrived in Korriban. They were what their names imply- but also much more. They were few in number, but powerful beyond belief. Stronger than any emperor or king who had come before- and with techniques and powers that the sith species had never before seen- they were worshipped as gods and demi-gods by the sith people. They became their rulers, and their lords. The dark lords of the sith, if you will. They learned quickly from and with the sith, and grew in power more and more as time passed. By selectively breeding with only the most powerful and gifted of the sith species, the dark lords assured that the generations after theirs would become more powerful with time. Some hundreds of years later, a sith disciple, a sorceress, left for a planet called Ambria. She was not special by any means, but still managed to enslave the planet’s populace, and bend them to her will. She used her slaves to create structures of dark power, meant for rituals that were never before attempted. After centuries of construction, the structures were finished, and her ritual would take place- but she bit more than she could chew. The power generated by the ritual was more than what any being before her had ever managed to gather. More than Dathka Graush, Hakagram Graush, and more even than what the Dark Lords of the Sith could call upon.

But the sorceress herself could not command and control such power, which led to a massive failure- Ambria was destroyed, left barren, and left as a dark side nexus, whilst almost every living being in it died- the sorceress included. (“Gradually, however, the world's resources were depleted by a Sith disciple driven mad by the power of the dark side. She enslaved the sentient species and used many of the native fauna as beasts of burden, concentrating all of her efforts on the creation of an enormous dark-side obelisk that rose into the sky like a black spike wedged into the planet's surface. Over hundreds of years the construction continued, the Sith sorceress's obsession as strong as ever. As far as Jedi scholars have been able to determine, she attempted a complex Sith ritual that called on more power than any individual had asked of the dark side before.” Tales of the Jedi Companion)

As the centuries passed, many dark lords came and went. One of them was called Darth Andeddu. He, like many of the sith at the time, could extend his life by using an advanced version of drain- but he was special. Andeddu was not a sith, he was an outsider. He rose through the ranks of Korriban and became its dark lord of the sith. He learned their techniques, and improved upon them. But as he grew in power and skill and knowledge, so did the jealousy and greed of the sith subordinates around him. They covetted his knowledge, and banded together in an attempt to kill and overthrow him. He left for Prakith, his homeworld, wherein he started a cult, and further mastered his techniques, leaving the planet as a strong dark side nexus. He believed in the idea/concept that will power and that the mind are the ways to true power. Therefore, he used one of his newly created techniques to put his essence and mind onto his holocron.

Towards the end of this sith empire/reign, came a sith hybrid called Naga Sadow. A famous sith inquisitor, who was a master of sith alchemy and sorcery of the highest caliber. An incredibly powerful and intelligent man as well, he became Dark Lord after Marka Ragnos’ death (the strongest sith lord in history up until that point in time, and even some time later), and lost against the Republic in the Great Hyperspace War. He went into hiding in Yavin 4 (and lived for some centuries more), while some of the other sith hid in Ambria, died there, and whose spirits stayed around for many centuries afterwards.

After Sadow’s death, his spirit apprenticed a man named Freedon Nadd. Nadd was a jedi, but a prodigy like no other of his time. He was skilled in combat as well as with the force. He wanted power, and Sadow offered it. But Nadd grew in power extremely quickly, and shortly surpassed Sadow’s spirit in power, killing it some time later. He left for his homeworld, Onderon, which he took over and ruled for many, many years, while growing far stronger than before, leaving the world as a strong dark side nexus, no different from Andeddu, whom he learned from after he acquired his holocron. He left a line of rulers- his descendants, each learning from Nadd’s teachings over the years.

At the world of Ambria came a Jedi Master called Thon. Thon had been led there by the force, and decided to rid the planet of its darkness. He was met by the previously mentioned sith spirits, who overwhelmed and almost killed him after many attacks, even though he could easily defend himself from them at first. Thon then came up with a plan to lead the spirits to a lake (dubbed Natth by Thon himself), and as a last resort, he used a wall of light to trap the spirits there. But Thon was no normal Jedi- he was one of the strongest living jedi in the order at the time. If his superior contemporaries, Siosk-Baas and Odan-Urr, were compared to Mace Windu and Yoda respectively, then I should say that Thon is perhaps Qui Gon of the time.

Some hundreds of years later came two very powerful sith lords, Darth Revan and Darth Malak. They were humans, and ex-jedi, not unlike Nadd. The difference is that they far surpassed Nadd in power, and became far bigger threats. Revan was a prodigy among prodigies, with just as much of a gifted mind. Malak was his power hungry apprentice, who could never seem to reach powers that rivaled his master’s, but who was no less far more powerful than someone like Freedon Nadd. (“An imposing figure with ghostly pale features, prominent Sith tattoos, a gleaming red lightsaber, and devastating Dark Side power, Malak struck terror into the hearts of his former allies. He also wore a vocal mask that may have concealed a form of cybernetic life-support. Did it provide him with powers far greater than even Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd, or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?" Wizards of the Coast: Darth Malak)

Almost 2000 years later appeared a new, powerful lord, who called himself Darth Ruin. He was a prodigious jedi, amongst the best of his time, somewhat like Nadd or Revan, but a wise one, who took his time, and corrupted many jedi to his side, while also gathering many sith clans under his banner, with whom he started the new sith wars. He believed only in himself and his powers, thinking that nothing else but him was real.

At the end of the wars against the Jedi, came the Brotherhood, a very large sith group, with many sith lords, but none too impressive. Their unofficial leader was Skere Kaan, another prodigious jedi, and very powerful sith lord, who was very intelligent, and had an immense talent for battle meditation. It was under his ‘leadership’ that Bane emerged.

Sith knowledge / Holocrons:

This section will be discussing the several Sith holocrons that Bane has and the sheer amount of knowledge he can get from them. This section will be developed in chronological order.

Photo of notable Sith lords who he got holocrons from (Note, this is not everybody, but I added it because it is very badass)

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First of, during his time in the Sith academy, he studied several Sith holocrons:

Darth Bane learned from the Sith Masters on Korriban and the Sith archives.

Bane spent several hours each day studying the ancient records. He found them fascinating. Many of the scrolls were historical records recounting ancient battles or glorifying the deeds of ancient Sith Lords. By itself the information had little practical use, but he could see each individual work for what it actually represented: a tiny piece of a much larger puzzle, a clue to a much greater understanding.

The archives supplemented what he learned from the Masters. It gave context to abstract lessons. Bane felt that, in time, the ancient knowledge would be the key to unlocking his full potential. And so his understanding of the Force slowly took shape.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Darth Bane gleaned the Force knowledge of the Jedi from Githany's tutelage.

"I will train you," Githany said coyly. "I can share with you everything I learned from the Jedi about the Force. And whatever I learn about the dark side from the Masters I can teach to you, as well."

Bane hesitated. Githany was no Master, yet she had trained as a Jedi for many years. She probably knew much about the Force that would be new to him.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Afterwards, he acquired the Sith holocron of Darth Revan (as a major Revan fan, a clarification is in order that this is only DARTH Revan. Please do not link this to Prime Revan)

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later. And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Taken from Darth Bane: POD

Subsection I: DARTH Revan

If you read the Ulic Qel Droma chronological Respect thread, you should know by now what is a subsection. Basically, I create a subsection for anybody Bane scales above.

Several things to note here:

Force knowledge:

Revan as of his DARTH status also contains a wide variety of force knowledge:

(JT) Revan meticulously mastered everything Kreia, Zhar Lestin, Dorak, and other Jedi Masters knew, learning faster than they could teach. At the end of his apprenticeship, Kreia mused he learned everything he possibly could from the Jedi, signifying mastery of the Force forms (i.e. Force affinity, Force mastery, and Force potency), sever Force, and everything within at least the Dantooine and Coruscant academies.

"He came to me, yes. Both before and after, before Revan knew himself. And after, in the times when Revan was coming into his own and learning he was more than he had been told. At one time, Revan was my Padawan. In times past, long ago. But Revan, when he had learned all he could, had other masters: that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each. But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi - except how one could leave them forever."

Source: Kreia, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

"Revan had many Masters, Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars. Towards the end of his training, he sought out many to learn techniques. It is said that he returned to his first Master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the Order."

Source: Michal, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

> "Atris said that the Enclave on Dantooine was one of the great storehouses of Jedi knowledge. Many Jedi came here to study the ancient holocrons and relics."

Source: Daraala, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

(MW) Revan plundered the great tomb-like cities of Malachor V, a planet-size archive of Sith knowledge.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, Darth Revan has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause.

Source: Star Wars Chronicles of the Old Republic

Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan. Kreia took the name Darth Traya, and her followers called themselves the Sith after the long-lost species that had invaded the Republic a millennium before.

Source: Star Wars The Old Republic - Revan

Revan travels to Malachor V and discovers the Trayus Academy, delving deeply into the Sith secrets contained within.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Revan walked the halls of the Trayus Academy, using its knowledge to learn more of the Sith - and the presence of Korriban and other dark side worlds.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

(UR) Revan studied the ritual of Nathema, the most elaborate Sith ritual in history which drained the life force of eight thousand Sith Lords and the entire planet into Emperor Vitiate, writing a transcript of its procedure. From it, Revan created the thought bomb, another legendary ritual capable of annihilating tens of thousands of Jedi and Sith and trapping their spirits in a sphere of Force energy used in the Jedi Civil War and the Ruusan campaign. At the site of the thought bomb's detonation on Ruusan, the most powerful Force nexus in history was created, capable of granting a user drawing on it absolute omniscience.

Once known as Medriaas, Nathema was an agriworld of the Sith Empire at the time when the Sith also controlled the Chorlian sector. An ancient Dark Lord of the Sith named Darth Vitiate destroyed all life on Nathema with a ritual designed to grant him immortality. A transcription of the ritual was recorded by Darth Revan and served as the inspiration for Lord Kaan's thought bomb on Ruusan.

Source: Star Wars Force and Destiny Core Rulebook

> Eight thousand Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas and agreed to partake in a ritual that would bind the Sith together as an ultimate dark side weapon. The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor.

Source: Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia

> Rather than admit defeat, Kaan released the thought bomb. The wave of dark energy sucked dry almost all of the Force-users on Ruusan, desiccating and destroying their bodies, absorbing their souls into a huge black egg-like construct.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #129

> Jerec at last gained access to the valley, and for one lucid moment, absolute omniscience was his. The will of the Force, Chaos, the ancient civilizations of the Rakata and Xim, what lay beyond the galactic barrier, and the origins of the universe - Jerec understood them all, and endowed with Force powers beyond imagination, he would have ruled accordingly.

Source: Wizards of the Coast - The Dark Forces Saga #6

(UR) Revan explored the Valley of the Dark Lords and drew knowledge from the Sith tombs.

Two Jedi acquired a taste for rebellion during their victories in the Mandalorian Wars. They discovered pre-Republic Rakata artifacts that led them to the Sith tomeworld of Korriban. Despite their lack of connection to the Sith species, they drew knowledge from the Sith tombs and declared themselves to be the new Dark Lords of the Sith: Darth Revan and Darth Malak.

Source: Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force

On Korriban, the Revanchist uncovered the lost secrets of the Sith and became the heir to an ancient and evil legacy.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

After the Mandalorian Wars, Alek and Revan subsume themselves in Korriban and Malachor V's Sith occultism.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

(UR) Revan steeped himself in the teachings of Exar Kun's Brotherhood of the Sith.

While in the Unknown Regions, Revan and Malak steep themselves in the teachings of those Sith who had been defeated in the Great Sith War.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

(UR) Revan created a Sith Holocron that far surpassed the New Sith War era's Korriban Sith Academy's entire archives. Many of the rituals were so dangerous that Darth Bane could hardly comprehend their potential and doubted he would ever dare to use them. One of the lesser rituals merged a group of Sith's minds together to unleash a sweeping inferno capable of ravaging a planet and devastating armies of Jedi.

To Bane, it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible - so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master - that he doubted he would ever dare to use them . . .

And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Source: Star Wars Darth Bane - Path of Destruction

He had discovered the ritual she spoke of while studying Revan's Holocron: a way to unite the minds and spirits of the Sith through a single vessel so their strength could be unleashed upon the physical world.

Source: Star Wars Darth Bane - Path of Destruction

> Darth Bane brought the self-proclaimed Sith Lords together, showing them how to focus their dark-side energy into a lethal blast of power that scoured the surface of Ruusan, leaving vast tracts of land barren and lifeless. Most of the Sith, Jedi and allies on both sides were utterly destroyed, yet still the wave of fire and destruction pushed onwards.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #134

Next, as of UR, Revan already has the ability to mind dominate thousands of Rakatans and force them to speak basic:

(★ UR) Revan dominated over a thousand Rakata, a species biologically resistant to telepathic persuasion, ripping the Rakatan language from the Black and Red Rakata tribes (also known as: drain knowledge or language absorption) and driving Basic into all their minds so that they could speak with him.

"You used your power to rip the Rakata language from my mind, even as you drove Basic into our skulls so we could help you in your quest to find something called the Star Forge."

Source: The One, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

"You used the Force to draw the Rakata language for our minds, even as you planted Basic into our skulls so we could help you in your quest to escape the world."

Source: Elder Council, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> "Driven by portents and omens, we came to this island with a thousand of his finest warriors, and here we stay."

Source: Gjarshi, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> "Over time, we lost our ability to use the Force. Some believe we had used the Force for so long we evolved biologically, and became immune to its effects."

Source: Elder Council, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> You learn about your previous visit, how the Rakatans speak the language of Basic, the history of the Elders, and more.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - Prima's Official Strategy Guide

> "These creatures have become such an irritation that every time I see one I want to strike it down with my lightsaber. Be that as it may, I interviewed a Toydarian subject who showed a great amount of resistance to Force suggestion, up to the point that I created physical discomfort. I found that they can be easily intimidated by a demonstration of strength. And it proved relatively simple to cause it to expire, merely by making its existence extremely painful. Ultimately, though it showed a great degree of willpower, it was no match for the power of the Force."

Source: Darth Vader, Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force

Scaling above such a person in knowledge and force power is impressive

Note: it is from Darth Revan's holocron that Darth Bane learnt the techniques of the rituals of Nathema, which is the thing he induced into the thought bomb. This is clearly quite an important holocron

Next, came the RoT. During which, he first found the holocron of Freedon Nadd:

For the next four days and nights he lost himself in the secrets of the ancient artifact. As he suspected, it had been created by Freedon Nadd. Bane delved into the Holocron's secrets with the aid of the gatekeeper: a miniature hologrammic projection of the long-dead Sith Master responsible for its creation. The gatekeeper guided and directed his studies, serving as a virtual mentor to those who sought out Nadd's lost secrets inside the sinister pyramid. Though Nadd had been human, his avatar was the image of a man who had succumbed to the physical corruption that sometimes affected those who delved too deeply into the power of the dark side. His skin was pallid, the flesh withered and sunken, and his eyes were glowing yellow orbs devoid of iris or pupil. Despite this, he still appeared as a formidable warrior: broad-shouldered, clad in heavy battle armor and the helm that had doubled as his crown when he had proclaimed himself king over the nearby world of Onderon.

But the orbalisk research was only the beginning. Freedon Nadd had been a Jedi who turned to the dark side as the apprentice of Naga Sadow, the former ruler of the ancient Sith Empire. Sadow's power had been so great, it had allowed him to survive for six centuries, fueled by the energies of the dark side. As his apprentice, Nadd had absorbed all his knowledge and teachings, transferring them into the Holocron before murdering Sadow and taking his place. Not surprisingly, most of the information inside the Holocron was hidden, locked away in the depths of its crystalline structure where it could be accessed only through time, meditation, and careful study. It would take many months, maybe even years, before Bane could lay claim to its greatest secrets.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Subsection II: Freedon Nadd:

Firstly, force knowledge:

He has 100 years worth of knowledge / power:

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He also directly scales above Naga Sadow even before this 100 years worth of power increase:

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The Official Star Wars Factfile 90

Freedon Nadd is also the source of power for King Ommin, and King Ommin managed to dominate the population of Ondereon:

King Ommin rose to power in the same manner as his ancestors of the last three centuries: by dominating the populace of Onderon with the dark side.

Taken from Tales of the Jedi companion

Note: from Freedon Nadd, Bane also found the Orbalisks, but lets not dicuss that just yet.

On the other hand, there are a lot more holocrons that he found:

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Belia Darzu.

His body and will were exhausted; the smart thing would be to rest before attempting to use the Holocron. But he had come too far, and endured too much, to be put off any longer. Still clutching the pedestal for support with both hands, the Sith Master stared at the talisman, focusing his will on bringing it to life. Slowly it began to pulse with a faint inner light of deep, dark violet, and Bane smiled. Soon, all the secrets of Belia Darzu would be his.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Sorzus Syn.

Book of Sith: Chronicle of Sorzus Syn (Sidenotes)
Book of Sith: Chronicle of Sorzus Syn (Sidenotes)

Darth Bane possessed a personal library full of Sith knowledge.

Punching in the digits, he gently pushed the door open and stepped into the building that served as his private library. The interior consisted of a single square room, five meters on each side, lit only by a single soft light hanging from the ceiling. The walls were lined by shelves overflowing with the scrolls, tomes, and manuscripts he had assembled over the years: the teachings of the ancient Sith.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Darth Andeddu

He had what he'd come for. It would take many days to traverse the hyperspace routes leading out of the Deep Core, but Bane welcomed the journey. It would give him time to explore the Holocron in greater detail. And if all went as planned, by the time he arrived back home all of Andeddu's secrets would be his.

Andeddu's knowledge was his now; over the past few days his brain had processed the raw information he had stolen to the point of full comprehension. He fully understood the ritual of essence transfer; he had learned the techniques that would allow him to move his consciousness from his own failing body into another.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Darth Bane's Sith knowledge was greater than all who came before him.

The Official Star Wars Fact File Part 22 (Credit to DarthAnt66)
The Official Star Wars Fact File Part 22 (Credit to DarthAnt66)

Note however, after the LFL policy that forms a clear distinction between Bane era and SWTOR era, this no longer apply to SWTOR Sith. However, Sith such as Lord Kaan will fall under this category.

Misconceptions regarding the RoT:

Now, obviously, Bane is buried under a huge amount of Sith, who has scaling over Bane. However, while the gap between later Sith such as Maul and Bane certainly exist, it is nowhere as big as people thinks.

For one, the force cannot be passed down for generation to generation:

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Source - The book of the Sith, credits to @famousroman

This means that the force of Bane cannot be directly passed down to others. For another, there are multiple setbacks on the way. Darth Gravid for one, is a prime example:

"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_Recap_143276.asp

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith.

...

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

~ Darth Plagueis (2012)

All credits goes to @lord_tenebrous as I directly copy-pasted this section

So while Sith such as Darth Maul and Count Dooku do scale above Darth Bane, the gap is nowhere as large as people try to depict.

Placement in the Ancient Sith and Brotherhood Sith

Note, for this part, I will only be analyzing placements in ancient Sith, however, scalings regarding individuals such as Thon will not be included in this section.

First of all, we know that Bane is the top Sith in centuries:

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This will place him above several individuals that are important

Darth Ruin: a powerful Sith lord who mentally controlled several Jedi

Darth Rivan: An extremely powerful powerful Sith Lord who used the Dark Staff to create massive Sith storms

Every single Sith in the Brotherhood of Darkness

And most importantly, Lord Kaan:

Subsection III: Lord Kaan

Aside from the above quote, Bane also has quotes directly scaling above Lord Kaan:

Darth Bane grew more powerful after Kaan's attempts to have him killed (Bane's duel with Kas'im on Lehon and Githany poisoning Bane on Ambria), but before arriving on Ruusan.

Rather than have Bane tear the Sith apart, Kaan sent assassins to kill him. Bane only got stronger however.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Bane was far Lord Kaan's superior.

Lord Kaan knew he was no match for Bane, either physically or through the power of the Force.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And Lord Skaan is very impressive:

Lord Kaan could summon the entire Brotherhood of Darkness from across the Galaxy (20,000 Sith Lords in total), with a touch of Force persuasion included, for a notable period of time.

He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. Lord Kaan was calling them all, the entire Brotherhood.

Darkness Shared

Such a telepathic feat has only been replicated by Exar Kun and Darth Krayt for an instant, and most notably, Luke Skywalker for a lengthy period of time with great strain, none of whom held the same Force persuasion element to their galactic range telepathic call:

Exar Kun let out a tremendous shriek that echoed across the galaxy, calling in despair upon Master Vodo, whom he had abandoned.

The New Essential Chronology

Darth Krayt, leader of the One Sith, has been reborn from his near death at the hands of Darth Wyyrlok; he has sent ripples through the Force so that all Sith know he is alive and well.

Legacy: War: Part One

The call had arisen a few hours earlier, in the middle of a StealthX assault that had failed to turn hack the Chiss task force. The summons was coming from the direction of the known galaxy, a sense of beckoning and urgency that was growing more powerful by the hour, calling the Jedi Knights back toward Ossus, demanding they return to the Academy at once.

"We all feel it," Tahiri said. She furrowed her scarred brow, then turned to Tesar and Lowbacca. "At least I think we do."

The Barabel and the Wookiee nodded in agreement. "It iz hard to ignore," Tesar said.

"And we shouldn't try," Jacen replied. "Something bad must be happening for my uncle to summon us all like this. Even Luke Skywalker can't pull on the Force that hard without suffering for it."

...

Luke's entire body felt stiff and sore, his head was aching, and his hands were trembling. He tested his legs and found them a little wobbly.

"I'm fine," he said. His stomach felt as empty as space. "A little hungry, maybe."

"I'll bet." Continuing to hold his arm, Mara turned to leave the meditation pavilion. "Let's get you something to eat ... and some rest."

Luke did not follow her. "I can last another hour." Through the Force, he could feel nearly the entire Jedi order gathered in the lecture hall, waiting to learn why he had summoned them. "We need to do this now."

"Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. "You need to rest."

Dark Nest III: The Swarm War

Kaan was capable of manipulating the minds of the rest of the Brotherhood of Darkness through the Force on a consistent basis.

The two most notable times being when Kaan forced the rest of the Sith Lords' minds out of Bane's ritual

Heat and fire. There was nothing else in Bane's world. It was as if he had become the storm itself: he could see the world before him, swallowed up in red and orange and reduced in seconds to ash and embers by the unchained fury of the dark side.

It was glorious. And then suddenly it was gone.

There was a jarring thump as his body dropped from where it had been hovering five meters above the ground. For several seconds he was completely disoriented, unable to figure out what happened. Then he understood: the connection had been broken.

He rose to his feet slowly, uncertain of his balance. All around him were the forms of the Sith, no longer kneeling in meditation but collapsed or rolling on the ground, their minds reeling from the sudden end to the joining ritual. One by one they also regained their composure and stood, most looking as confused as Bane had been only seconds before.

Then he noticed Lord Kaan standing off to the side, over by the fliers.

"What happened?" Bane demanded angrily. "Why did you stop?"

"Your plan worked," Kaan replied curtly. "The forest is destroyed, the Jedi have fled to open ground. They are exposed, vulnerable. Now we go to finish them off."

Kaan had broken the connection, and somehow he had managed to drag the others out along with him, as if he had some hold over their minds.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And when Kaan persuaded over a thousand Sith Lords at once into performing the Thought Bomb ritual.

He had promised them victory, as he had done so many times before. And, as they had always done in the past, the Brotherhood had followed him once again. Followed him here to this cave, though Githany wasn't sure if it was more accurate to say they had been led-or lured. She had followed him along with everyone else, compelled by the passion of his words and the sheer magnitude of his personality and presence. All thoughts that he might be unstable or unfit to lead them had been forgotten in the heady pilgrimage through the night to the shelter of this cave.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is made more impressive by the fact that these Sith Lords were highly mentally trained.

More than a thousand highly trained minds were focused on a single task.

Dark Forces: Jedi Knight

Both of these manipulations included manipulating Lord Kopecz, and though Kopecz was one of the more difficult members of the Brotherhood for Kaan to control, and though Kopecz eventually broke free from Kaan's control when they entered the caves to perform the thought bomb, the fact that Kaan could exert any degree of control over Kopecz at all speaks volumes, given that Kopecz has a strong enough will to fight with extremely severe injuries (two spears skewered through his abdomen and several arrows piercing the back of his neck.

Jedi vs. Sith
Jedi vs. Sith

Lord Kaan's power hurt unprotected minds in his vicinity.

Power radiated away from the Jedi like heat off a sun-baked rock. - It caused the air to shimmer, sent static through pocket comms, and hurt unprotected minds.

Dark Forces: Jedi Knight

He also scales above members of the Brotherhood

First of, he managed to easily kill Lord Qordis, who is one of the top in the brotherhood:

"And therein lies the problem." Bane lashed out with the dark side, seizing Qordis in an immobilizing, crushing grip. His opponent tried to protect himself, throwing up a field to deflect the incoming assault, but Bane's attack tore through the pitiful defense, wiping it away as if it hadn't even been there.

There was a strangled cry of pain from Qordis as the Force tightened around him and lifted him up from the ground.

"Your wisdom has destroyed our order," Bane explained casually, watching as Qordis struggled helplessly above him. "You have polluted the minds of your followers; you and Kaan have led them down the path of ruin."

"I-I don't understand," Qordis gasped, barely able to speak as the breath was squeezed inexorably from his lungs.

"That has always been the problem," Bane replied. "The Brotherhood must be purged. The Sith must be destroyed and rebuilt. You, Kaan, and all the others must be wiped from the face of the galaxy. That is why I have returned."

Dawning horror spread across Qordis's long, drawn features. "Please he groaned, "not ... like this. Release me. Let me ... draw my lightsaber. Let us fight ... like Sith."

Bane tilted his head to the side. "Surely you know I could kill you just as easily with my lightsaber as I could with the Force."

"I . . . know." Qordis's skin was turning red, and his body was trembling as the pressure mounted. Each word he spoke took tremendous effort, yet somehow the dying man found the strength to make his final plea. "More ... honor ... in ... death ... by ... combat?'

Bane gave an indifferent shrug. "Honor is for the living. Dead is dead."

A final push with his mind tightened the invisible vise. Qordis let out a final scream, but with no air in his lungs it came out only as a rattling gasp that was lost beneath the snapping and crackling of his bones.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And before moving on, Lord Qordis knows the technique of Force Storm:

Only the top apprentices had been present when Qordis had taught them to use the dark side to corrupt the Force into a deadly storm.

Source: Path of Destruction

He is the top in the Brotherhood:

A pair of figures waited in the center of the slaughter, one human and the other Twi'lek. He recognized them despite the darkness: Qordis and Kopecz, two of the more powerful Sith Lords.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

He also scales above DARTH Revan who is much more powerful than members in the Brotherhood:

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later. And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Why then, is scaling above "fodder" members of the Brotherhood so impressive then? Well, because each one of them can uproot an army:

Each individual Sith Lord, even the lowest of them, was considered more combatively capable than a very large quantity of soldiers.

"We both know the Jedi won't be defeated by soldiers," Kopecz snapped. "I'd gladly trade a thousand of our best troopers for even one Sith Master."

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Each and every disciple at the Academy, from Sirak down to the least and lowest of the students, had the ability to become a Master. Each possessed an extremely rare gift in the dark side-a gift that was meant to be used against the Jedi, not against one another.

In killing Fohargh, Bane had thinned the ranks of potential Sith Masters. He had dealt a serious blow to the war effort. Each apprentice at the Academy was valued more highly than an entire division of Sith troopers.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

A small collection of Sith Masters, Kaan standing at their head, waited to greet the reinforcements as they disembarked. They might have been only fifty in number, but each one of them was a Sith Lord: more powerful than an entire division of soldiers.

Taken from Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is hella impressive

Subsection IV: Darth Andeddu:

First of, in DOE, Darth Bane found the holocron of Darth Andeddu, and took all his powers:

He had what he'd come for. It would take many days to traverse the hyperspace routes leading out of the Deep Core, but Bane welcomed the journey. It would give him time to explore the Holocron in greater detail. And if all went as planned, by the time he arrived back home all of Andeddu's secrets would be his.

Andeddu's knowledge was his now; over the past few days his brain had processed the raw information he had stolen to the point of full comprehension. He fully understood the ritual of essence transfer; he had learned the techniques that would allow him to move his consciousness from his own failing body into another.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

And why is this impressive? Lets ask Famousroman actually. All the below are from him:

To further progress with this blog, I will have to talk about Andeddu, an extremely underrated ancient sith lord. I will start at the start: his fight against Wyyrlok III. It is a telepathic battle, in which Andeddu overestimates himself, and underestimates his opponent, and gets fooled by a trick he himself knows of- believing that the illusion is real. Mind you, this is far more effective here due to the fact that Andeddu is a crazy man, obsessed with his knowledge, enough to fool a group of people to protect his knowledge thousands of years after his death, for no reason whatsoever (Legacy comic, issue 27). He kept stalling Bane’s training for essence transfer, by the way, as a means of trying to buy time so as to not teach Bane said technique.

Onto more important things- his standing in the verse. POD era Bane is very much impressed by Sadow and Nadd’s power that let them live for centuries upon centuries, but doesnt seem to feel the same way about Andeddu, in DOE, who had some of Sadow’s and Muur’s techniques (if not maybe a great part of them) that allowed him to live just as long, and would have lived for much longer, if he had not been killed. The only character who stands above Andeddu as of his time, in lore, is Marka Ragnos, due him being the only confirmed supreme dark lord of Korriban. Naga Sadow, while the dark lord of the sith, and while extremely famous/infamous, has no superiority over Andeddu. Freedon Nadd did have, and learned from, Andeddu’s holocron, but was never stated to have been his superior. Andeddu, no different from Nadd, left his world as a dark side nexus, something that Sadow could not do on Yavin, after living longer than Nadd ever did. Andeddu also considered himself superior to Wyyrlok III and Vong Krayt, but lost against the former in a telepathic battle due to his insanity and obsession. Andeddu may have very well been more powerful than the Exiles as well, due to having been a very dominant sith lord in Korriban possibly just before Sadow and Ragnos’ time, who were in fact more powerful than the exiles due to a very long process of selective breeding that was very much in effect during Andeddu’s time and reign. He left Korriban afterwards, and headed to Prakith, where he devised the techniques and powers that let him live for so long, based on Muur’s own techniques and powers, meaning that he grew there in power as well. Mind you, according to Dooku, Andeddu power is far above that of someone like Sora Bulq or Quinlan Vos. Note, Asajj Ventress is also seen by Darth Sidious to be unfit to be a Sith -

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Considering the fact that the Jedi felt it was necessary to get rid of Andeddu’s entire existence, over many other extremely powerful sith, I find it hard to place Andeddu any lower than Nadd himself, who seems to have similar feats and power showings.

Andeddu is a believer of will, and that the mind is the path to power. Due to this, he places his mind, essence, and spirit on his holocron, which by itself can possess a body (Legacy comic, Issue 27) or mind fuck a weakened Vong Krayt (Legacy comic, Issue 5) or drain a force user’s essence (Legacy comic, Issue 27). I would like to mention that Krayt says that Bane mastered the orbalisks- the one thing Nadd could never do, in 6 centuries of life (Legacy comic, Issue 5).

Now, onto DOE Bane’s connection to Andeddu and his feat. The feat isn't underrated, only Andeddu is. But now that I have shown Andeddu’s more impressive side, I will try to put Bane’s feat into perspective. The feat itself is not complicated at all. Bane is tired of listening to Andeddu’s babbling and stalling, and decides to shove his ‘mind’ into the holocron, imposing his will, and ripping out every single piece of information stored in it, which is done in mere hours. Andeddu is simply powerless to do anything, and probably had his memories ripped out by Bane in the process, if one takes into account the sounds, sights, image, and thoughts that flooded Bane’s brain. ("If you will not give me what I want," he shouted at the gatekeeper, "then I will take it!" Reaching out with the Force, he plunged his awareness into the depths of the pyramid's inner workings as the gatekeeper let loose a howl of impotent rage. Thrusting his consciousness directly into the capstone, Bane let his will invade the small four-sided talisman just as he himself had invaded the stronghold of Andeddu's cult back on Prakith. For a brief instant he could feel the burning inferno of power trapped within threatening to consume his identity. Bane welcomed the pain, feeding on it and transforming it along with all the frustration and anger he had built up over the past four days into a raging, swirling storm of dark side energy. Then, bit by bit, he began to impose order on the chaos, bending it to his will. Using the Force, Bane began to make subtle adjustments to the Holocron's crystal matrix. He began to manipulate the arrangement of the filaments, twisting, turning, and shifting them with subtle, immeasurable adjustments as he worked his way deeper and deeper into the data in pursuit of what he sought. In many ways it was like slicing a secure computer network, only a million times more complex. With each adjustment, the gatekeeper's image flickered and cried out, but Bane was oblivious to the simulation's artificial suffering. For several hours he continued his work, his body perspiring heavily, until he finally found what he sought: the ritual of essence transference; Andeddu's secret of eternal life. With one final push of the Force, he reached out with his mind and seized what he had been searching for. With the aid of the gatekeeper the information would have taken weeks to absorb and learn. Bane, however, had gone right to the source. The knowledge streamed directly from the Holocron into his mind, raw and unfiltered. Thousands of images flooded his consciousness, an explosion of sights, sounds, and thoughts that caused him to drop the Holocron to the floor, breaking the connection.” DOE novel, chapter 12).

Note that Bane did not know that Andeddu was in the holocron. He overpowered it just that badly. It's as if Bane tried to lift a weight that he thought only weighed 50 pounds, but instead weighed 200- and yet, after he lifted it, he never even noticed the difference. Mind you, he learns nothing new aside from essence transfer, and is far beyond Andeddu in knowledge and understanding of the force by this point, which is a crazy good accolade, considering the fact that characters like Nadd, Krayt, Dooku, and Wyyrlok learned from him, while Andeddu himself based his knowledge off of what Karness Muur knew (Legacy comic, Issue 30).

Subsection V: Bane's own opinions

Note: the following section is not solid, but it is the personal opinion of Darth Bane. So do take it with a grain of salt.

Bane by this point has certain views of himself that I will be addressing below:

“Was it possible there was some other essential element in the process that he was missing? Was there one more secret waiting to be unlocked that would finally allow him to create a Holocron so he could pass his wisdom and knowledge on to his successors? Or was the failure in him? Did he simply lack power? Was his command of the dark side somehow less than that of the ancient Sith Lords like Freedon Nadd? It was an uncomfortable line of speculation, but it was one Bane forced himself to consider. He had read the histories of the great Sith Lords; many were filled with feats almost too incredible to be believed. Yet even if these accounts were true, even if some of his predecessors had had the ability to use the dark side to destroy entire worlds or make a sun go nova, Bane still felt that his power measured up to the described abilities of many of those who had successfully created Holocrons of their own. But how much of your power is wasted on the parasites infesting your body? The question sprang unbidden to his mind, posed not in his own voice but that of his apprentice. Zannah had expressed her concerns about the effect the orbalisks might be having on him; it was possible she was right. He had always believed the drawbacks of the orbalisks-the constant pain, the disfiguring appearance-to be offset by the benefits they provided. They healed him, made him physically stronger, and protected him against all manner of weapons. Now he began to question that belief. While it was true that he could channel his power through the creatures for a temporary increase in his abilities, over the long term they might actually be weakening him. They were constantly feeding on the dark side energies that flowed through his veins. Was it possible that, after a decade of infestation, his ability to draw upon the Force had been subtly diminished? It was an idea he would have once dismissed out of hand. But his continued failure with the Holocrons had forced him to reevaluate his symbiotic relationship with the strange crustaceans. He could feel them even now, feeding, drawing on the Force that flowed through his veins.” ROT novel, chapter 15.

^^

His assumption is that he is normally > ancient sith in ROT. He then fails to make a holocron, and thinks “Either I am missing something crucial, OR, as stupid as it sounds, the ancients are above me.” He then thinks of the feats made by the great siths of the past, and thinks that even if the most ridiculous feats did happen, he would still compare to many of the sith who pulled them off and went on to make holocrons as well. Meaning that if there was a great sith of the past who pulled off such a feat and made a holocron, there is a very high possibility that Bane could also pull it off, without an amulet or helping tool. He then starts to consider the effects of the orbalisks on his body when he is not angry, meaning that the state of himself that he compares the ancients with is a weakened one. He then goes on to think of a third possibility- the orbalisks were making him too weak to make a holocron. It is revealed to us ,and Bane later, that there was in fact a missing step.

His first hypothesis/theory was proven right, making the second likely not true, and likely no longer applicable. The third possibility was true though, which inclines me to believe that his doubts are not well founded, and that there is no reason for the past sith to be more powerful than him simply because they could do feats that are normally not possible without help, or without being a god tier of some sort. In fact, Bane ponders more later on the fact that it was the orbalisks’ fault, instead of his ‘lack of power’, that led to his failure in creating his holocron: “Bane still could not discount the theory that the orbalisks were responsible for his failure, bleeding him of the dark side energies he needed to draw on to complete the procedure. There were other considerations, as well. Twice now he had lost himself in a bloodrage, thought and reason replaced by the mindless urge to destroy anything and anyone in range. The first time it happened he had left their camp in ruins: a foolish and pointless waste of resources. The second time had almost been far more costly. Had he succeeded in killing Zannah, he still would have found Helton's datacard on her. But he would also have been forced to find a new apprentice. A decade of training would have been lost, thrown away because of his temporary madness. Zannah had saved herself by explaining the motives behind her actions. She had acted in perfect accordance with her Master's teachings-a fact Bane should have realized on his own. But the orbalisks blinded him to her skilled machinations, and he now understood that the raw power they granted him came at the expense of subtlety and cunning.” ROT novel, chapter 16.

This quote seems quite funny as well, since Bane already scales over a sith sorceress whose ritual went haywire and then razed and turned a whole planet into quite a strong dark side nexus pretty casually, by POD, which is a feat not different at all from “destroying a world”, if one does not it take it as literally obliterating a planet; he also managed to do something by the end of ROT that Nadd never could- fully control, master, and rid himself of the orbalisks and their power. (“Through the gatekeeper, Bane learned of the Dark Master's experiments with the orbalisks, and his only partly successful efforts to control their power. He discovered not only what they were called, but also all the details of their ecology. Some of the information merely confirmed what he already knew: once attached to a host the orbalisks could not be removed. But he also learned that, in addition to boosting a host's physical abilities, it was possible to tap into the parasites' ability to feed on the dark side to greatly increase one's own command of the Force.” ROT novel, chapter 8). Ridding himself of it is the more interesting part, since he actually conjured so much power that the orbalisks died from overeating it. (“Somehow the Jedi's barrier had trapped Bane inside the center of the dark side storm. The electricity had enveloped him, millions of volts arcing through his body, cooking his flesh from the inside and throwing his muscles into an endless series of violent seizures that threatened to rip his body apart. The energy had coursed through the orbalisks embedded in his skin, too. The creatures absorbed the power, hungrily devouring it until they became so engorged that the soft, pliant flesh of their underbellies had begun to swell. Squeezed ever tighter against the unyielding chitin of their own exterior shells, they'd begun to burrow deeper into Bane. He remembered screaming as thousands of tiny teeth started sawing away at subcutaneous tissue, chewing through muscles, tendons, and even bone. But burrowing deeper hadn't stopped the creatures from feasting on the electricity coursing through Bane's frying innards. They'd continued to expand until they had begun to pop, rupturing like overfilled balloons pinched beneath the hard shells. Bane had stayed conscious through the torture of the electricity cooking him alive and the agony of the teeth burrowing into his flesh. But the indescribable pain from the chemicals released by the exploding orbalisks dissolving his body on a cellular level finally caused him to black out... only to wake up here.” ROT novel, chapter 23). ROT Bane’s belief that only the most absurd of feats -making stars/suns go supernova and such things, which were done with tools that hugely amped force users- may be out of his reach (if he believes that most of them are believable, and if he thinks that he is more powerful than they are, than the logical implication is that yes, he can also pull them off as well) is actually quite normal, since no force user has actually pulled off such feats without some sort of help, without being a god tier of sort, or without being Nihilus. IE, Bane is saying that the feats out of his reach are the ones done by Sadow in his meditation sphere, Nihilus and Vitiate’s planet-wide drain, and such things that no other force users could ever normally do. Then again, Bane would never even attempt such a thing in the first place. He is in hiding, and in the Book of Sith, he instructs the future generations to do the same. Bane is very often considered to be an extremely intelligent person, who reveres what the ancients taught and did, and yet thinks that he surpasses them. There is really no need to think that Bane overestimates himself- in fact, it makes more sense that he underestimates himself when compared to his likely overestimation of the ancients. The intent seems to be just as obvious. Bane finds a ‘tool’ that Nadd could not ‘master’, but he masters it. Bane finds a technique that he cannot learn, and thinks that it’s because he is weaker than Nadd, but later he is proven wrong. Bane then rids himself of something that Nadd never could, through pure raw power. It seems so obvious to me, but alright. Moving on to the next part, though.

Other members of the Brotherhood:

1. He scales massively above Githany:

Githany was amazed by Bane’s strength in the force even at his weakest state where he was unable to call upon it.

He was incredibly strong in the Force. Even stronger than she'd first realized. She'd been amazed at the power she'd felt inside him.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Bane was more powerful than Githany had realized before.

He was far stronger in the Force than she had realized.

And Githany is also quite powerful:

Kaan says Githany is remarkable:

At his side Kaan whispered, "Remarkable, isn't she?"

Source: Path of Destruction

Kopecz considers her dangerous:

“I think she's dangerous.”

Source: Path of Destruction

The Dark Side of the Force is strong in Githany:

The dark side is strong in her.

Source: Path of Destruction

The Force was exceptionally strong in her.

Source: Path of Destruction

Even though she'd been with the Sith only a short time, the ways of the dark side came naturally to her.

Source: Path of Destruction

2. Kaox Krul

I will just leave this to his RT:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/kaox-krul-respect-thread/115144/

Combat abilities

This section will be discussing the lightsaber abilities of Bane. This will also be formatted in chronological order

This will have the following sections:

POD:

Lord Kas'im

Tuk'ata

Sirak

RoT:

Jedi striketeam

Zannah

DoE:

Analyzing the Rain feat

Zannah again

Lets start with Lord Kas'im then.

Subsection VI: Lord Kas'im

This subsection will be divided into three parts.

A: Their frequent spars during Bane's training

B: Their final duel

C: Analyzing the "loss" of Bane

Lets start then

A: Their spars

Note: This version of Bane is massively pre-prime even in the same book. Also, I would like to say that Bane's growth in the academy is quite immense. He started from being absolutely stomped by Sirak to defeating him while holding back to absolutely destroying Sirak. With that out of the way tho:

Bane is constantly able to use offense on Lord Kas'im:

"Excellent!" Kas'im said as Bane blocked the Dark Lord's flurry and countered with one of his own. He didn't actually score a direct hit, but he did force the Blademaster to take a full step back under the fury of his assault.

Taken from Darth Bane : Path of Destruction

Even better, he was able to defend against Lord Kas'im pretty well while Kas'im constantly uses techniques Bane is unfamiliar in:

Bane blocked a flurry from Kas'im in a sparring match.

"Excellent!" Kas'im said as Bane blocked the Dark Lord's flurry and countered with one of his own.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Bane blocked an unexpected maneuver from Kas'im in a sparring match.

Suddenly the Twi'lek leapt high in the air, spinning and twisting so he could lash down at Bane as he flipped over the top of him. Bane was ready, switching from offense to defense so smoothly it all seemed to be a single action. He parried both blades of Kas'im's weapon even as he ducked out of the way and rolled clear to safety.

He spun to face his foe, only to see that Kas'im had lowered his weapon, signifying the end of the lesson.

"Very good, Bane," the Twi'lek said, giving him a slight bow. "I thought you might be caught off guard by that move, but you were able to anticipate and defend it with near-perfect form."

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Moving on:

B: Their second duel:

Bane basically destroyed Kas'im when he was using a saberstaff

Here is their fight:

He drove Kas'im back with furious slashes, forcing his old mentor into a backpedaling retreat across the floor of the chamber. Kas'im flipped back and out through the door into the hall beyond, but Bane was relentless in his pursuit, leaping forward and coming within a centimeter of landing a crippling blow to the Twilek's leg.

His strike was turned aside at the last second, but he quickly followed it up with another series of powerful thrusts and stabs. The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushed inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught. Each time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted, and seized the advantage.

The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all.

The Blademaster became desperate. Leaping, spinning, ducking, rolling: he was wild and reckless in his retreat, seeking now only to escape with his life. But he didn't know the Temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway.

Recognizing what was happening, Kas'im blew open the heavy door of a side room with the Force and dived inside. Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory.

The Twi'lek stood in the center of the empty chamber, panting heavily, stooped ever so slightly, his head bowed. He looked up when Bane stepped through the doorway. But when his gaze met Bane's, there was no hint of defeat in his eyes.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is clearly very serious advantage for Bane

And why is this impressive? Well Lord Kas'im has this insane accolade:

“Kas'im had trained his entire life for this moment. After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon and the greatest living swordsman in the galaxy. Maybe the greatest swordsman ever.”

Taken from Darth Bane: Path of destruction

Being more skilled than Exar Kun, Tulak Hord, Ajunta Pall, Darth Malak, Revan, and a plethora of other incredibly skilled fighters is quite the ridiculously good accolade to have. Note that it says “greatest swordsman ever”, from a narrator’s perspective, with no time constraints. Considering the fact that this book came from 2006, Drew would’ve known of Sidious, Dooku, Yoda, Anakin, Obi Wan, and I don’t even know how many other insanely good duelists from the verse when he decided to write that.

POD Bane is clearly a hard hitter. Far more powerful than Ajunta Pall and more skilled than Tulak Hord, alongside having Revan’s knowledge under his belt. (“In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.” POD novel). Anyhow…

Note: I am not saying that Kas'im is superior to people like Sidious or Yoda, he is obviously far from their level. However, it is worth to put in mind the context in which Drew wrote this, meaning Kas'im is truly an incredible duelist

Subsection VII: Sirak

Although compared to Kas'im, Sirak is a far inferior duelist, his duels with Bane only showed Bane's incredible growth even within the first novel in terms of lightsaber dueling. I will also divide this into 3 parts:

A: First duel

This duel is a total stomp for Sirak, one of the best students. Bane was barely above to hold his own.

All his concentration was focused on the fluid movements of the unfamiliar weapon in Sirak's hands. He had tried to memorize the sequences Sirak worked on during the drills. Now he was looking for clues that would tip his opponent's hand-that might reveal which sequence he planned to use to begin the battle. If Bane guessed right, he could counterattack and possibly end the battle in the first pass. It was his best chance at victory, but without being able to draw on the Force, his odds of correctly guessing which sequence his foe would choose were very, very slim.

Sirak raised the double-bladed saber up above his head, spinning it so fast it was nothing but a blur, then lunged forward. One end came down in a savage overhead strike that Bane easily parried. But the move was only a feint, setting up a slashing attack at the waist from the opposite blade. Recognizing the maneuver at the last second, Bane could do nothing more than throw himself into a backward roll, narrowly escaping injury.

His foe was on him even before he got to his feet, the twin blades slicing down in an alternating rhythm of attacks: left-right-left-right. Bane blocked, rolled, twisted, and blocked again, turning back the flurry. He tried a leg-sweep, but Sirak anticipated the move and nimbly leapt clear, giving Bane just enough time to scramble to his feet.

The next round of attacks kept Bane in full retreat, but he was able to prevent Sirak from gaining an advantage by giving ground and reverting to basic defensive sequences. He was still desperately trying to gain some advantage by watching his opponent's moves. At one moment Sirak seemed to be using the jabs and thrusts of Vaapad, the most aggressive and direct of the seven traditional forms. But in the middle of a sequence he would suddenly shift to the power attacks of Djem So, generating such force that even a blocked strike caused Bane to stagger back. A quick turn or rotation of the weapon and one of the twin blades was suddenly swinging in again at an awkward angle, causing Bane to reel off balance as he knocked it aside.

There was a brief lull in the action as the two combatants paused to reevaluate their strategies, each breathing heavily. Sirak twirled his weapon in a quick, complex sequence that brought the saber under his right arm, around behind his back, over his left shoulder, and around to the front. Then he smiled and did it in reverse.

Bane watched the extravagant flourish with a sinking feeling. Sirak had been toying with him in the first few passes, dragging the fight out so his victory would seem more impressive. Now he was showing his true skill, using sequences that blended several forms at once, switching rapidly among different styles in complex patterns Bane had never seen before.

It was just one more sign of the Zabrak's superiority. If Bane tried to combine different styles into a single sequence, he'd probably gouge out an eye or smack himself in the back of the head. It was clear he was overmatched; his only hope was that his enemy would get careless and make a mistake.

Sirak moved in again, his training saber moving so quickly that Bane could hear the sizzle as it split the air. Bane leapt forward to meet the challenge, trying to call up the power of the dark side to anticipate and block the dual blades moving too fast for his eyes to see. He felt the Force flowing through him, but it seemed distant and hollow: the veil was still there. He was able to keep the paralyzing edges of Sirak's saber at bay, but it required him to concentrate all his attention on controlling his own blade . . . leaving him vulnerable to the real purpose of the attack being unleashed against him.

Bane's skull exploded as Sirak's forehead slammed into his face. Pain turned his vision into a field of silver stars. The cartilage of his nose gave way with a sickening crunch, a geyser of blood gushing forth. Blind and dazed, he was able to parry the next strike only by instinct guided by the faintest whisper of the Force. But Sirak spun as his saber was turned away and delivered a back roundhouse kick that shattered Bane's kneecap.

Screaming, Bane collapsed, his free hand slamming into the ground as he braced his fall. Sirak crushed the fingers under his boot, grinding them into the unyielding stone of the temple roof. A knee came up, fracturing his cheek and jawbone with a thunderous crack.

With a last, desperate burst Bane tried to hurl his opponent backward with the dark side. Sirak brushed the impact aside, easily deflecting it with the Force-shield he had wrapped himself in at the start of the duel. Then he moved in close to finish the job with his blades. The first blow hit with the impact of a landspeeder slamming into an irax, breaking Bane's right wrist. The training saber dropped from his suddenly nerveless grasp. The next strike took him higher up on the same arm, dislocating his elbow.

A simple kick to the face sent jagged bits of tooth shooting out of his mouth and bolts of pain shooting through his broken jaw. He slumped forward, barely conscious, as Sirak stepped back and lowered his saber, reaching out with a free hand to grab Bane around the throat with the crushing grip of the Force. He raised his arm, lifting the muscular Bane as if he were a child, then hurled him across the ring.

Bane felt another bone snap as he crashed to the ground, but his body had passed into a state of shock and there was no longer any pain. He lay motionless in a crumpled, twisted heap. Blood from his nose and mouth clogged his throat. A coughing fit racked his body, and he heard rather than felt the grinding of his broken ribs.

Everything began to go dim. He caught a glimpse of a pair of blood-flecked boots striding toward him, and then Bane surrendered himself to the merciful darkness.

It is quite clear here that they are nowhere close in terms of dueling.

B: Now, compare their first duel with their second:

He was already toying with him:

She'd been impressed watching him toy with Sirak in the ring; he'd seemed invincible.

And then, in their final duel:

Outnumbered, Sirak extinguished his lightsaber, dropped it to the ground, and fell to his knees.

"Please, Bane," he begged, his voice cracking. "I yield. You are a true Sith Lord. I know that now."

Githany whispered, "End it now, Bane."

Bane advanced until he towered over his groveling foe. Suddenly it wasn't just Sirak he saw before him. It was everyone he'd ever struck down. Every life he'd ever taken. Fohargh, the Makurth. The nameless Republic soldier he'd killed on Apatros. His father.

He was responsible for their deaths. Even now, they weighed on him. Guilt over Fohargh's death had left him numb to the dark side for months. It had shackled him like iron. He didn't want to suffer through that again.

"Listen to me," Sirak pleaded. "I'll serve you. I'll do anything you command. You can use me. I can help you. Please, Bane-have mercy!"

Bane steeled himself. "Those who ask for mercy," he answered coldly, "are too weak to deserve it."

His blade decapitated his helpless foe. The torso remained upright for a full second, the charred edges of the cauterized stump where the head had once been attached still smoking. Then it toppled forward.

His sheer domination over Sirak compared to Sirak defeating him is incredible

And for Sirak's feats:

He is the best in the academy:

Sirak was the top-apprentice of the Sith Academy.

Bane felt the presence of someone following him down the stairs from the temple roof long before he heard the footsteps. He didn't change his pace, but he did stop at the first landing and turn to face whoever it was. He half expected to see Lord Kas'im, but instead of the Blademaster he found himself staring into the orange eyes of Sirak, another apprentice at the Academy. Or rather, the top apprentice at the Academy.

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Sirak was far more powerful than Llokay and Yevra, two members of a race described as "so strong in the Dark Side".

Sirak was a Zabrak, one of three apprenticing here on Korriban. Zabrak tended to be ambitious, driven, and arrogant-perhaps it was these traits that made the Force-sensitives of the race so strong in the ways of the dark side-and Sirak was the perfect embodiment of those characteristics. He was far and away the strongest of the three.

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Bane regards Sirak as both powerful and dangerous, and Bane did all he could to avoid drawing his attention. He also regards Sirak as the Sith Academy's most advanced student.

There were rumors that Sirak had begun studying the ways of the dark side under Lord Qordis nearly twenty years ago, long before the Academy at Korriban had been resurrected. Bane didn't know if the rumors were true, and he hadn't thought it wise to ask about it. The Iridonian Zabrak was both powerful and dangerous. So far Bane had done his best to avoid drawing the attention of the Academy's most advanced student. Apparently, that strategy was no longer an option.

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Qordis states that Sirak is the strongest student at the Sith Academy, and muses that he may one day surpass all other Sith Lords in the Brotherhood of Darkness.

Qordis shrugged. "Sirak is the strongest student at the Academy. For now. Perhaps in time he will surpass Kas'im and me and all the other Sith Lords. Perhaps not." He paused. "Many of the Masters do not believe in the legend of the Sith'ari," he continued after a moment. "Lord Kaan discounts it, for one. It goes against the philosophy underlying the Brotherhood of Darkness."

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In the first days after Fohargh's death, Bane considered Sirak to be his only true rival.

In those first days after Fohargh's death his only true rival had been Sirak. Now every apprentice on Korriban was a potential threat. The hopelessness of the situation tore away at his guts. It made him want to scream and claw at the stone walls in impotent rage. Yet for all his frustrations, he was unable to summon the passion that fed the dark side.

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Of the apprentices at the Sith Academy, Kas'im regards Sirak as the only one strong enough to participate in the battles against the Jedi on Ruusan.

"No," Kas'im replied after a moment's consideration. "Sirak, perhaps. He is strong enough. But his pride is too great, and he still has much to learn."

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Subsection VIII: Tuk'ata

In POD, he managed to stomp several Tuk'ata:

Twice he'd been set on by packs of tuk'ata, the guardian hounds that prowled the crypts of their former Masters. The first time he'd driven them away with the Force, seizing the body of the alpha male and hurling it into the rest of the pack, injuring several of the beasts. They'd scurried away with high-pitched howls that had sent shivers down his spine.

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For reference, Tuk'ata are capable of fighting after taking multiple hard lightsaber blows to the body.

One massive claw swiped through the air. Anakin caught it with his lightsaber. The beast howled. He had only angered it.

He needed to hit a vulnerable spot.

...

Obi-Wan advanced, striking the tuk'ata with a series of hard blows. The creature staggered.

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You might wonder, if he did this with the force, why is it in the dueling section? Well he also did this with a saber:

After days of hiking through the extreme climate of Korriban's deserts with no food or sleep, Bane defeated a dozen Tuk'ata with his lightsaber skills.

The second attack had been far bloodier. While exploring one of the most recent tombs he'd found himself surrounded by a dozen tuk'ata: a pack twice the size of the first. He'd unleashed his lightsaber on them, slicing through flesh and bone. When the pack finally broke and fled, only four of the twelve tuk'ata still lived.

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This is significant because large groups of Tuk'ata have given difficulty to some legendary duelists before.

A group of ten Tuk'ata gave a Jedi Strike Team in 23 BBY some difficulty, and that strike team consisted of five of the Jedi Order's best combatants (Soara Antana, best lightsaber instructor in the Jedi Order and confirmed legendary duelist; Obi-Wan and Siri, both of whom are confirmed peers, Kenobi having rivaled Qui-Gon in speed as his padawan and being one of the greatest combatants in the Jedi order as of 33 BBY, Siri having been confirmed one of the best duelists in the Jedi Temple as an eleven year old; and Ferus and Anakin, the two top Padawan combatants in the entire Jedi Order) and 3 other Jedi.

The vicious tuk'ata moved at lightning speed. They did not have an attack strategy. They didn't need one. They charged with flashing teeth and claws and whipping stingers.

Anakin jumped toward the lead tuk'ata. He wanted to be the first to bring one down. The beast whirled, its yellow eyes flat with menace. One massive claw swiped through the air. Anakin caught it with his lightsaber. The beast howled. He had only angered it.

He needed to hit a vulnerable spot. He saw Ferus and Siri attack a tuk'ata together, moving in rhythm. Perhaps he should have waited for his own Master, but with a quick look over his shoulder Anakin saw that Obi-Wan was occupied with two tuk'ata at once, while Ry-Gaul and Tru were racing to help.

The creature swiped at him again, and, anticipating the move, Anakin ducked and rolled, trying to strike up into the beast's chest, where he assumed a blow would kill it. To his surprise, the stinger landed on his arm. He had not expected that range of motion. Instantly, his arm was on fire, though the stinger had barely licked him. Anakin flipped his lightsaber to his other hand, cursing his luck.

The tuk'ata struck, no doubt following up on his advantage. While its prey was immobilized by the poison, the beast would finish him off. But Anakin was able to flip backward and strike, this time burying his lightsaber in the middle of the creature's head. He heard the sizzle and smelled the smoke. The yellow eyes rolled, and the creature fell dead.

Ry-Gaul and Tru had been outflanked by two tuk'ata. Obi-Wan had his hands full with one massive beast, bigger and fiercer than the rest. Anakin leaped on the back of the tuk'ata bearing down on his Master, hoping to distract it. The beast reared up, both stingers waving, while Anakin did a quick and elusive dance to avoid their sting.

Obi-Wan advanced, striking the tuk'ata with a series of hard blows. The creature staggered. Anakin was able to slash at the creature's neck before he was thrown off. The tuk'ata screamed, rearing, and Anakin and ObiWan leaped out of its way. It toppled and thrashed and then was still.

They were already moving, turning to charge one of the tuk'ata who was after Tru. With a roar, it turned on them instead, circling and striking, trying to get claws and teeth embedded into Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan used his liquid cable launcher and anchored it on the creature's horn. Using the cable, he swung up and out, his lightsaber a blur of motion as he attacked again and again. The creature howled, trying to claw Obi-Wan away. Anakin was able to deliver the death blow in the chest.

Obi-Wan swung off the creature and landed, his boots thudding on the dirt. The cries of the tuk'ata mingled with the buzz of lightsabers as the Jedi met their attacks with moves and counter-moves. The tide of the battle was turning. Five tuk'ata lay dead, and two were mortally wounded. Anakin and Obi-Wan were able to team up with Ry-Gaul and Tru first alternately feinting to confuse the creature, and then slicing it into several pieces. Soara and Darra, working together in their usual flawless teamwork, had somehow kept two tuk'ata at bay. Wounded, the two counterattacked, but Darra and Soara were too fast, too agile, and too strong.

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And in 44 ABY, a group of over a dozen Tuk'ata would've given Luke Skywalker, Ben Skywalker, and Jaina Solo difficulty. Ben believed the Tuk'ata would've killed them even with Vestara Khai's help, while Luke believed the Tuk'ata could've given them enough trouble for Vestara to be able to run off and steal their ship without any of them being able to stop her.

They had disturbed the guardians of the tombs, who were now descending, more than a dozen of them, with a single, driving thought: Kill the intruders.

And the Sith hounds would. Ben realized that almost at once. There were simply too many of them, and they were too strong with the dark side of the Force.

Ben had faced death before, and a peculiar calmness descended on him. He lifted his lightsaber, fixed his gaze with that of the leader, and prepared to slay as many of them as he could before the inevitable. The sudden, absurd thought came to him that they were much, much bigger than he had expected them to be.

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Vestara indeed could have set the hounds on them, buying at least enough time to flee back to the Shadow and escape with it. Instead she had protected them all, possibly putting herself in danger to do so.

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Yes, you read it correctly. Bane while weakened achieved a feat that Luke, Jaina, and Ben, three extremely skilled duelist, can only do with hardship. This is more than a little impressive.

Subsection IX: Mini Jedi striketeam

Before I move on to DOE Bane, I would like to talk about ROT Bane’s duel against the Jedi strike team sent. All in all, Bane dueled against two very strong and very skilled Jedi- Farfalla and Raskta Lsu. Farfalla was one of the 7 strongest Jedi alive at the time, while Raskta was the order’s most skilled combatant. The fight contained a third participant, Worror, who was a master of battle meditation. All of the following are from the ROT novel.

Farfalla:

“Farfalla released the power he'd been gathering in a single concentrated burst. Bane was suddenly encased in a shimmering stasis field of light-side energy, freezing him where he stood.”

“On her opposite side Farfalla struck with clean, elegant blows, his form perfect as he harried Bane's right flank. Yet though they were able to hold their ground, they couldn't drive him back or defeat him.”

Raskta:

“It was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb.”

“Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen” - the eyes here are Farfalla’s eyes.

“Then suddenly Raskta was there to save his life, repaying a debt that was only a few seconds old as she threw herself in front of him. Fueled by Worror's battle meditation, she switched styles seamlessly, and her arms and blades became a blur as they carved figure eights in the air to catch and absorb the bolts of dark side energy.”

“She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.”

“Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought.''

“The young Jedi marveled at the speed and savagery of Raskta's blades. And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence. When he went high, she went low. If he came from the left, she came from the right. It was partly a function of her choice of weapon: individually each of her lightsabers was more precise and accurate than Sarro's giant double blades. But it was more than that. Her reactions were so fast, her combat instincts so pure, that she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage.”

Worror:

“He had been one of General Hoth's advisers on Ruusan, and a key to victory in many battles, even though he didn't even carry a light-saber. The Ithorian's role was not to engage the enemy but rather to provide support through both his healing abilities and the rare art of battle meditation. Although his talent was not strong enough to single-handedly alter the outcome of a large-scale conflict, in close quarters Worror could draw upon the Force to give strength to the bodies, minds, and spirits of those around him, enhancing the skills and abilities of his allies.”

“It was more than just his talent and training. Zannah sensed some type of greater power at work: the Force flowed through him as if it was being channeled by another, giving even greater strength to her opponent.”

“It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might."

“Then he, too, leapt to the side to avoid being crushed, surviving only because his reflexes were heightened by Worror's power.”

“Johun felt his strength and energy plummet, A wave of exhaustion and fatigue overwhelmed him, the beneficial effects of the battle meditation vanishing as Worror's concentration was broken. But the Jedi Master was still alive, and Farfalla and Raskta were back on their feet. If they could hold Bane off for just a few seconds, the Ithorian could resume his meditations and restore their advantage.”

“Gathering the dark side around her, Zannah created a concealing cloak to mask her power as she had done at the Jedi Temple. While she did so, she saw the Ithorian slowly rise to his feet and close his eyes in concentration. She felt the surge of light-side energy rolling across the room, as did Bane's opponents. Suddenly invigorated, they backed her Master up against a wall, concentrating their attacks on his face and the joints of his wrist where the orbalisks had left tiny gaps in his armor.”

“Zannah felt the gathering dark side power of her Master, but in the instant before he unleashed the storm of deadly purple lightning, the Ithorian reached up from the floor and clutched him by his ankle. A shimmering blue globe surrounded them both as the mortally wounded Jedi released his own power in his final, dying act. Instead of arcing across the room to destroy the one-armed Jedi, the lightning that flew from Bane's fingers reflected off the inside of the shimmering blue globe encasing him. The bolts ricocheted around wildly inside the globe, creating a storm of energy so intense that Zannah had to shield her eyes and look away. She heard Bane's scream rising above the sharp crackle of electricity, and when she looked back she saw the globe vanish and her Master fall to the ground in a charred and smoking heap.”

I hope now some of you can realize the quality of the Jedi that Bane faced. Two very strong and skilled council member level jedi who were amped, quite impressively so mind you, by a third high caliber Jedi’s battle meditation, that also weakens one’s enemy. Now I will show some quotes in Bane’s favor from the duel:

“Yet even with their enhanced abilities, he wondered if they would survive the coming battle.” - Farfalla’s thoughts.

“Bane unleashed a barrage of Sith lightning, gathering and releasing his power at the speed of thought. The Jedi threw up a Force barrier to shield himself, but the electricity tore right through it and arced toward him.”

“Even so, the strength behind the attack tore Farfalla's golden blade from his grip, sending his lightsaber skittering across the floor.”

“Farfalla released the power he'd been gathering in a single concentrated burst. Bane was suddenly encased in a shimmering stasis field of light-side energy, freezing him where he stood. But his command of the dark side was too powerful for it to hold him for more than a split second. The shimmering field exploded into fragments as the Dark Lord broke free, though the momentary delay had allowed the Echani to place herself between the Ithorian and the Sith.”

“He's too strong, Farfalla realized, even as he ran to help her. Both physically and in the power of the dark side. It's like trying to fight a force of nature.”

"It was inevitable she would one day challenge him for the title of Sith Master, but Bane was incredibly strong-both physically and in the Force. Encased in a suit of living armor that augmented his powers and protected him from virtually all known weapons, he was nearly invincible." ROT novel, chapter 11

Fighting 2 council member Jedi is exhaustingly impressive already, doing so pre-prime, weakened, and while they are amped is super impressive

Note, Rakasta, as the top duelist of the time, also scales above Lord Hoth, who has some truly impressive accolades/feats in terms of dueling:

Lord Hoth cuts down Sith soldiers foolish enough to get near him:

"Ambush!" one of the points screamed, and then the Sith were upon them. They came from everywhere: warriors wielding lightsabers, soldiers armed with blasters and vibroblades. The clash of durasteel and the hiss of crossing energy blades mingled with the screams of the living and the dying: screams of rage and triumph; of agony and despair.

A volley of blasterfire ripped through the lines, taking down those Padawans too inexperienced to deflect the shots. A second volley tore through the melee. The bolts ricocheted wildly as Sith and Jedi alike batted them aside, doing little real harm but adding to the chaos. Lord Hoth stood in the thickest of the fighting, hewing down foes foolish enough to come in range of his fierce weapon. His nostrils were filled with the greasy-sweet stench of charred flesh, and a wall of bodies was mounting around him. And still they kept coming, swarming over him like carrion beetles on a fresh kill, seeking to drag him down by sheer numbers.

Pernicar vanished beneath the sea of enemies, and Hoth redoubled his efforts to reach his fallen friend. He was unstoppable in his fury, like the devastating storms of the Maw itself.

Source: Path of Destruction

Hoth had been fighting the Sith for two years on Ruusan:

For two standard years he had waged his campaign against the Brotherhood of Darkness here on Ruusan.

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Hoth cuts down more Sith troopers:

Hoth had faced impossible odds before and triumphed. Yet he knew this battle was fated to be his last.

But I will make a last stand worthy of story and song, he thought defiantly, even though there won't be anybody left to sing it.

The world dissolved into the numbing fog of war. Screams and the sounds of battle became a dull, indistinguishable roar. The spray of dirt and stone from the blaster bolts exploding into the ground showered down on him from above, mingling with the sweat and blood of both friend and foe. He swung each blow as if it might be his last, knowing that sooner or later one of the fliers would lock in on him and swoop down to finish him off.

[...]

General Hoth couldn't help but offer the ragged hint of a smile despite the dead and wounded that lay scattered across the battlefield. The Sith had sprung their trap, and somehow the Army of Light had survived.

Source: Path of Destruction

Hoth, as a Jedi Knight, freed the Corellian Trade Spine from Sith pirates:

"Rohlan of Kaal was heir to a minor line of Jedi Lords from Vushan sector, but still in his teens when he left the citadel of his ancestors to win renown as the Knight of Hoth—the Jedi hero who freed the Corellian Trade Spine from Sith pirates."

Source: The Essential Guide to Warfare (Creditto Emperordmb)

Hoth led his forces on Ruusan to 5 wins out of the 7 major battles fought there:

Jedi and Sith ultimately squared off on the planet Ruusan where they fought seven blood-soaked ground battles that left both sides demoralized. The Brotherhood of Darkness lost all but two of the battles, reducing their once fearsome army to a tenth of its original size.

Source: The New Essential Chronology

Here's a little more context on the battles on Ruusan:

The Battle of Ruusan, the notorious conflict in which Jedi recruited novice Force-sensitive youths to battle the Sith, was a series of seven ground battles, and may have been the bloodiest confrontation between Jedi and Sith in history.

Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential guide to the Force

Hundreds of years ago, a Jedi named Kaan turned away from the light and formed the Brotherhood of Darkness. The Brotherhood used the dark side of the Force to build an empire, and they were well on their toward expanding it when an army was raised to oppose them.

The army of opposition consisted of beings from many species and planets, representing all walks of life. But they had one thing in common. They were Jedi.

The two sides came together on a remote and little known world. Salvos of pure energy were exchanged, storms raged across the land, and lightning flashed from the skies. Entire cities were destroyed, a species was pushed to the edge of extinction, and spirits separated from their bodies.

Finally, after days of mortal combat, the Brotherhood was defeated.

Taken from Jedi vs Sith, essential guide to the force

This is obviously very impressive dueling feat for Bane

Subsection X: Darth Zannah:

Darth Bane in an orbalisk fueled bloodrage forced Darth Zannah into a desperate retreat before quickly defeating her, and Zannah at this point in time is capable of defending herself against a Battle Meditation amped Sarro Xaj without giving any ground.

When it was over her Master turned to face her. She waited for him to demand an explanation, but instead he let loose with a cry and flew at her. Zannah barely had time to ignite her twin blades to meet his completely unexpected attack.

She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.

"I did not betray you, Master!" she shouted, trying to make Bane see reason before he cleaved her in two. "I lured Hetton here so you could kill him!"

She ducked under a horizontal cut from his lightsaber, only to catch a heavy boot in her ribs. She rolled with the kick, narrowly avoiding the return cut of his blade. She parried a sharp descending blow, gathered her feet under her, and launched herself backward, flipping ten meters clear.

"Listen to me, Master!" she shouted now that she had put some distance between them. "If I wanted to betray you, why didn't I help them during the-oooffff!"

Bane hit her with a powerful Force throw, sending her hurtling backward. Only the barrier she had instinctively thrown up at the last second to shield herself saved her bones from being shattered by the concussive force of the impact.

She scrambled to her feet and twirled her lightsaber before her, creating what she hoped would be an impenetrable wall of defense. Instead of trying to pierce her guard, Bane leapt high in the air and came down almost right on top of her. She deftly parried his blade, redirecting it to the side as she spun away to keep his body from slamming into her. But Bane caught her on the chin with his elbow as she turned, the blow snapping her head back. Her body went limp, her weapon dropped from her nerveless fingers, and she crumpled to the ground.

For a second she saw nothing but stars. Her vision cleared to reveal the image of Darth Bane looming above her, his blade raised for the coup de grace.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two
Note, Sarro will be experiencing the same BM as the Jedi mini striketeam I mentioned above. Zannah at this point is already quite good in terms of dueling, but Bane is just better

Moving on to DOE:

Subsection XI: Rain feat:

I will let @famousroman handle this section:

To end this, I will simply talk about the (in)famous ‘rain deflection’ feat. Quite honestly, the feat is meant to be symbolic- a way to show superiority over his POD self. It is somewhat impressive by itself, due to how Bane manages to feel/sense every droplet during the downpour as well, but nothing that someone like TCW Obi Wan could not pull off, for example. The feat in question: “Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh. He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed. As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts. The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses. For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh.” DOE novel, prologue

The impressiveness of the feat is only known to those who know that POD Bane found such a feat impossible to pull off. (“Suddenly realizing he was in grave danger, Bane made a lunge for the Holocron. As his hand closed around it, the colony of crustaceans broke free en masse and cascaded down on him in a chitinous swarm. With one hand clutching the Holocron, he swiped at them with his lightsaber and deflected others with the power of the Force. But there were too many to keep them all at bay; it was like trying to ward off raindrops in a storm.” ROT novel, chapter 7). Bane, though, is not Obi Wan. He is an attacker, a striker. This showing is of a far lesser quality than what he could pull off when on the offensive. Mind you, Bane by POD could already defend himself against Kas'im, a duelist on the level of Exar Kun and Tulak Hord. It is not ridiculous to think that DOE Bane could probably duel two or three Kas’ims / POD Banes at the same time, which is reminiscent of his showing against a greatly amped Raskta Lsu (a duelist of a caliber equal to that of Kas’im) and Farfalla (one of the most powerful and skilled Jedi alive at the time). The showing is not Bane simply lifting a rock that POD Bane never could even deem possible to be lifted. He lifted it, then threw it 50 feet away.

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I have no opinions yet. I think the intent is there for Bane to have been the greatest sith prior to Vitiate’s ascendance, due to his Sith’ari status and accolades, but now things are blurry. Dumb people make dumber mistakes, such as TOR. Being more powerful than Malak, Revan, Ragnos, Malgus, Nadd, means nothing now. Take that as you will. His ‘Ambria superiority statement’, his ‘ROT opinion on the ancients’, his ‘orbalisk mastery and control feat’, his ‘culmination of the darth’s’ stance, his heavily supported ‘predecessor superiority’, his ‘Andeddu stomp’, and his stats all put him a good deal above even the strongest of the ancient sith, and that’s pretty much a fact.

Subsection XII: Zannah again:

The last dueling feat, is Bane is still superior to Zannah in DOE:

Zannah expected Bane to come at her aggressively, but even so she was caught off guard by the ferociousness of his attack.

He opened with a series of two-handed overhead chops, using his great height to bring his blade hacking down at her from above. She easily blocked each blow, but the momentum of the crushing impact caused her to stagger back, throwing her off balance.

She recovered quickly, however, spinning out of the way when he followed up with a low, looping swipe meant to hew her off at the knees. She retaliated with a quick jab with the tip of one of her blades toward Bane's face, but he ducked his head to the side and came back with a wide-arcing, single-handed slash at chest level.

Zannah intercepted his blade with one of her own, angling her weapon so that the momentum of Bane's attack was redirected downward, sending the tip of his lightsaber into the dirt. This should have exposed him to a counterthrust, but he was already reacting to her move, driving his entire body forward into Zannah's before she could bring her weapon up.

His weight slammed into her, knocking her back as Bane snapped his neck forward. Zannah threw her head back just in time, and the head-butt that would have smashed her face glanced off her chin instead.

Scrambling to stay on her feet, Zannah raised her weapon back up, spinning the handle so that the twirling blades formed a defensive wall that repelled Bane's next half a dozen blows.

During her years under Bane, they had sparred hundreds of times. During these sessions she had always known he was keeping something in reserve for the day they would inevitably fight for real. Only now did she realize just how much he had been holding back.

He was faster than she could ever have imagined, and he was using new sequences and unfamiliar moves he had never revealed during their practice sessions. But somehow she had survived the initial flurry, and now she knew what to expect.

The next exchange had a more familiar feel. Bane pressed the action with a devastating, complex combination of attacks, but Zannah was able to intercept, parry, or deflect each one. Her defensive style was simple, but performed correctly it was nearly impenetrable.

Recognizing this, Bane backed off and changed tactics. Instead of a savage, relentless pressure meant to overwhelm her, he settled into a pattern of feints and quick thrusts, probing and prodding her defenses in search of a weakness as the two of them settled in for a long battle of attrition.

Zannah had fought him once before, back when he was still encased in his orbalisk armor. She remembered it had been like battling a force of nature: the chitinous parasites covering his entire body had been impervious to lightsaber attacks, allowing him to attack with pure animal rage. She had survived that encounter only by convincing Bane she hadn't betrayed him, and in the end he had let her live.

His style back then had been brutish and simple, though undeniably effective. Now, however, his technique was more advanced. Unable to simply bully his way heedlessly forward, he had developed an unpredictable, seemingly random style. Each time she thought she could anticipate where the next attack was coming from, he changed tactics, disrupting the rhythm of the battle and causing her to give ground.

She was being driven back in a slow retreat, and she realized he was herding her toward the shuttles, hoping to pin her against the metal hull with no place to go. Zannah was content to play along, taking quick, careful steps backward over the soft, sandy terrain as she began to gather her power.

The key was subtlety. She couldn't let Bane sense what she was doing or he would launch into another wild flurry of attacks, forcing her to focus all her energy on keeping him at bay. She had to give him the illusion he was controlling the action, when in fact she was only a few seconds away from unleashing a burst of dark side sorcery that would rip his mind apart.

Bane circled wide trying to come in on her left flank. Zannah simply altered the angle of her retreat, taking several more steps backward to keep him at a safe distance as she swatted away a few token slashes and strikes.

With her attention split between the enemy in front of her and the Sith spell she was preparing to cast Zannah didn't notice how close she was to the freshly dug graves. Her heel caught on the uneven ground as she backed up, throwing her off balance as she fell awkwardly to the ground and landed on her back.

Bane was on her in an instant, his lightsaber slashing viciously, his heavy boots kicking and stomping at her prone body. Zannah thrashed and twisted on the ground, her lightsaber flailing desperately to parry Bane's blade. She felt a sharp crack as the toe of his boot caught her in the ribs, but she rolled with the impact and managed to end up back on her feet.

Her vision was blurred with stars, pain shooting through her left side with each gasp as she tried to catch her breath. Bane didn't let up, coming at her with a frenetic assault. The next few seconds were a blur as Zannah relied purely on instincts honed over twenty years to parry the wave of blows, miraculously keeping him from landing a lethal strike.

Zannah threw herself into a back handspring, flipping head over heels three times in quick succession just to put some space between her and Bane. Before the fourth one she suddenly stopped and went into a crouch, thrusting forward with her lightsaber like a spear to impale her opponent as he charged after her in pursuit:only Bane wasn't there.

Anticipating her move, he had stopped several meters away.

Gritting her teeth against the pain from her broken rib, Zannah rose to her feet. Bane hadn't killed her, but her survival had come with significant cost. She was tired now, the desperate scramble to escape after tripping on the grave had pushed her one step closer to physical exhaustion. She felt the broken rib with each ragged breath, and she sensed that the injury would make it harder for her to pivot and turn, limiting the effectiveness of her defensive maneuvers.

She couldn't wait any longer. She'd wanted to surprise Bane, slowly gather her strength before unleashing it so he wouldn't be able to properly defend against it. But she knew she wouldn't survive another clash of lightsabers.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

I think it is quite clear that Bane is a great duelist

Force abilities

This will also be divided into several sections.

1. Analyzing the famous feat of the firestorm planet razing

2. Analyzing his resistance of the mind bomb

3. Analyzing scaling above planetary nexus

4. Analyzing temple busting

5. Analyzing his superiority to Zannah and what does it mean

Also, all the sections will not be divided into subsections, as they are all very impressive. Unlike dueling, which basically analyzed the feat of every opponent he faced against, this is only analyzing the best

Force section 1: Analyzing the famous feat of the firestorm planet razing

First of, lets look at famousroman's analysis of this feat:

At the start of the ROT novel, Darth Bane goes on to find Nadd’s holocron. He comes across both the holocron and some insectoids, called orbalisks. The orbalisks, while living beings, work more like amulets that a user has to go through severe pains to get rid off. Once attached to one’s body, it will then feed on his force power, specifically dark side power, making the user weaker and weaker over time. This can get worse if they allow the orbalisks to multiply over their body and if they don’t constantly ‘abuse’ their and the orbalisks' powers. Albeit, upon gaining two of them, Bane becomes more powerful than ever before.

“Bane reached inward to call upon the dark side, drawing it not only from himself but also from the orbalisks fastened to his chest and back. Feeling an incredible surge of power beyond any he had known before, he released it in a burst of energy. The hallucinations that had plagued his wounded mind ever since the detonation of the thought bomb vanished, instantly and utterly annihilated by his newfound power. He was stronger now than he ever had been, and he knew the visions of the dead Sith would haunt him no more.”

Taken from Darth Bane: Rule of two

More powerful, even, than when he used a ritual with multiple other sith lords to call upon a fire ritual attack against an army of Jedi.

“Kaan, Githany, and the rest of the Dark Lords had gathered atop a barren plateau overlooking the vast forests where Hoth and his army were hiding. They had come on their fliers: short-range, single-person, airborne vehicles front-mounted with heavy blaster guns. The fliers were parked at the edge of the plateau, fifty meters away from where the Sith sat in a loose circle. The ritual had begun. They were communing with the Force, all of them slipping into a meditative trance as one. Their minds drifted deeper and deeper into the well of power contained within each individual, drawing on their strength and combining it through a single conduit. Bane stood in the center of the circle, urging them on. "Touch the dark side. The dark side is one. Indivisible." The night sky filled with dark clouds and a fierce wind swirled across the plateau, tearing at the cloaks and capes of the Sith. The air shook with the thunder and crackle of a mounting electrical storm. Bolts of blue-white lightning arced through the air, and the temperature suddenly dropped. "Give yourself over to the dark side. Let it surround you. Engulf you. Devour you." The Brotherhood slipped deeper into the collective trance, barely even aware of the storm now raging about their physical selves. Bane stood at the eye of the storm, drawing the bolts of lightning into himself, feeding on them. He felt his strength surge as he channeled and focused the dark side from the others. This is how it should be! All the power of the Brotherhood in one body! The only way to unleash the full potential of the dark side! "Do you feel invincible? Invulnerable? Immortal?" He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith. He shivered then suddenly went stiff, arms spread out at his sides. Slowly, his rigid body began to rise into the air. "Can you feel it?" he screamed, feeling as if the raw power of the Force roaring through him might rip his very flesh asunder.”

Taken from Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Some of these Sith Lords went on to create the Thought Bomb, which, as a requirement, could only be done so by powerful Sith Lords.

Yet within its pages it contained a detailed description of one of the most fearsome creations of the ancient Sith: the thought bomb. An ancient ritual that required the combined will of many powerful Sith Lords, the thought bomb unleashed the pure destructive energy of the dark side. There were risks involved, of course.”

Taken from Darth Bane Path of destruction

Powerful here is not “powerful for their time”, it means “powerful in general”. They were legitimately powerful Sith Lords. They survived to the end of the war, they managed to build up a ritual to rain fire upon a whole army, and they generated a Darth Revan-level ritual. Yet two orbalisks are more than enough to surpass that power. ROT Bane had a whole body’s worth. After the timeskip, Bane is now a completely different being. Far more skilled, powerful, and cunning. He now had all the time in the world to train and master techniques, to grow more powerful, so even though he has a body’s worth of orbalisks that he can use, they are simply a greater tool than what his POD self had, which would be used by Bane leagues above his POD self. No wonder he thinks that a thousand men are needed to kill him, and that he has more power than what the Brotherhood had together.

Multiple powerful Sith Lords + POD Bane << POD Bane using 2 orbalisks <<< ROT Bane with a whole body’s worth.

Props to famous roman for this analysis

lets look again at hellothere's analysis (btw, if u r reading this, I hope u don't mind me using your blog as sources for mine. If you do mind, I will delete this @hellothere5432)

During Path of Destruction, Darth Bane convinces the Brotherhood of Darkness to concoct a ritual in which all the participants would channel their power through a single vessel, Bane himself:

"He had discovered the ritual she spoke of while studying Revan's Holocron: a way to unite the minds and spirits of the Sith through a single vessel so their strength could be unleashed upon the physical world. In many ways the process was similar to the one used to fashion a thought bomb from the force, though this was less powerful than the ritual he had sent as a peace offering to Kaan and far less dangerous."

(...)

"Kaan, Githany, and the rest of the Dark Lords had gathered atop a barren plateau overlooking the vast forests where Hoth and his army were hiding. They had come on their fliers: short range, single person, airborne vehicles front mounted with heavy blaster guns. The fliers were parked at the edge of the plateau, fifty metres away from where the Sith sat in a loose circle. The ritual had begun."

"They were communing with the force, all of them slipping into a meditative trance as one. Their minds drifted deeper and deeper into the well of power contained in each individual, drawing on their strength and combining it with a single conduit. Bane stood in the centre of the circle, urging them on."

"Touch the dark side. The dark side is one. Invisible."

"The night sky filled with dark clouds and a fierce wind swirled across the plateau, tearing at the cloaks and capes of the Sith. The air shook with the thunder and crackle of a mounting electrical storm. Bolts of blue-white lightning arced through the air, and the temperature suddenly dropped."

"Give yourself over to the dark side. Let it surround you. Engulf you. Devour you."

"The Brotherhood slipped deeper into the collective trance, barely even aware of the storm now raging about their physical selves. Bane stood at the eye of the storm, drawing the bolts of lightning into himself, feeding on them. He felt his strength surge as he channeled and focused the dark side from the others."

"This is how it should be! All the power of the Brotherhood in one body! The only way to unleash the full potential of the dark side!"

Source: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Every Dark Lord in the Brotherhood partook in the ritual, so at that moment Bane’s body contained the combined power of more than a hundred Sith Lords:

The constant battling of the Sith since the beginning of recorded history served a necessary purpose: it kept the power of the dark side concentrated in a few powerful individuals. The Brotherhood had changed all that. There were now a hundred or more Dark Lords following Kaan, but most were weak and inferior. The Sith numbers were greater than they had ever been, yet they were still losing the war against the Jedi.

(...)

Kaan, Githany, and the rest of the Dark Lords had gathered atop a barren plateau overlooking the vast forests where Hoth and his army were hiding. They had come on their fliers: short-range, single-person, airborne vehicles front-mounted with heavy blaster guns. The fliers were parked at the edge of the plateau, fifty meters away from where the Sith sat in a loose circle. The ritual had begun.

(…)

When he arrived back at the camp twenty minutes later, he wasn't surprised to find it completely deserted. All the Dark Lords had been on the plateau for the ritual, and they had all flown off in Kaan's wake to face the suddenly vulnerable Jedi. The soldiers, servants, and followers who made up the bulk of the Sith army had originally been left behind at the camp, but they had since received commed orders from Kaan and the others to join them at the battlefield.

Source: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Bane then used this power to unleash a firestorm that threatened to kill the entire world, destroying most of the Jedi and Sith who in total numbered in the thousands:

This is how it should be! All the power of the Brotherhood in one body! The only way to unleash the full potential of the dark side!

"Do you feel invincible? Invulnerable? Immortal?"

He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith. He shivered then suddenly went stiff, arms spread out at his sides. Slowly, his rigid body began to rise into the air.

"Can you feel it?" he screamed, feeling as if the raw power of the Force roaring through him might rip his very flesh asunder. Are you ready to kill a world?"

(...)

The storm rolled down from the plateau and rumbled across the forest. Hundreds of forks of searing lightning shot down from the sky - and the forest erupted. Trees burst into flames, the blaze racing through the branches and spreading out in all directions. The underbrush smoldered, smoked, and ignited; and a wall of fire swept across the planet's surface.

The inferno consumed everything in its path.

Heat and fire. There was nothing else in Bane's world. It was as if he had become the storm itself: he could see the world before him, swallowed up in red and orange and reduced in seconds to ash and embers by the unchained fury of the dark side.

Source: Darth Bane. Path of Destruction

Later, when Darth Bane plunders the tomb of Freedon Nadd in Rule of Two, he gets assaulted by crustaceans called orbalisks, two of which latch onto his body. Bane learns that the creatures bolster the dark side, and he harnesses their strength to fuel his own. As a result, his power boosts to levels beyond anything he had ever experienced which would include the aforementioned ritual where Bane where Bane acted as the amalgamation of the power of over one hundred Sith Lords in one body:

"Bane reached inward to call upon the dark side, drawing it not only from himself but also from the orbalisks fastened to his chest and back.Feeling an incredible surge of power beyond any he had known before, he released it in a burst of energy. The hallucinations that had plagued his wounded mind ever since the detonation of the thought bomb vanished, instantly and utterly annihilated by his newfound power.He was stronger now than he ever had been, and he knew the visions of the dead Sith would haunt him no more."

Source: Darth Bane: Rule of Two

In the following decade, the orbalisks spread over most of Bane’s body, with only his hands and head being exposed. Given that only two orbalisks were enough to propel Bane beyond a hundred Sith Lords, one can only imagine how much hundreds of orbalisks - all feeding his command of the dark side - would cause his power to increase.

"She saw Bane seated on the far side of the camp, his back to her as he stared out to the horizon, meditating on his failure. He turned to face her as she approached, rising up to his full two-meter height so that he towered above her. His clothes had been torn and burned away, revealing the full scope of the orbalisk infestation. Hundreds of the creatures clung to him; except for his face and hands, his body was now completely covered. He looked as if he were wearing a suit of armor fashioned from the hard, oblong shells of dead crustaceans. Yet she knew that beneath the shells, the parasites were still alive, feeding on him."

"Bane claimed the orbalisks enhanced his power, granting him unnatural strength and healing abilities."

[...]

"It was inevitable she would one day challenge him for the title of Sith Master, but Bane was incredibly strong - both physically and in the Force. Encased in a suit of living armor that augmented his powers and protected him from virtually all known weapons, he was nearly invincible."

Source: Darth Bane: Rule of Two.

At this point, Bane himself believed his strength measured up to the feats of the Sith described in ancient texts, such as razing worlds and causing stars to go nova.

"It was an uncomfortable line of speculation, but it was one Bane forced himself to consider. He had read the histories of the great Sith Lords; many were filled with feats almost too incredible to be believed.Yet even if these accounts were true, even if some of his predecessors had had the ability to use the dark side to destroy entire worlds or make a sun go nova,Bane still felt that his power measured up to the described abilities of many of those who had successfully created Holocrons of their own."

Source: Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Both analysis comes at the same conclusion, that ROT Bane >> the POD version that decimated a planet

Now, lets look again at Bane's growth from ROT to DOE

Hellothere's analysis

again, I hope you don't mind broski

After having the orbalisk armor removed from his body, Darth Bane still continued to grow in power. By the time of Dynasty of Evil, his natural power had even surpassed that which the orbalisks had provided him in Rule of Two, as is apparent from two key comparisons: firstly, he moves faster than Zannah could ever have imagined in their final duel, and she has witnessed his orbalisk-induced berserker speed first-hand:

"She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault."

Source: Darth Bane: Rule of Two

"He was faster than she could ever have imagined, and he was using new sequences and unfamiliar moves he had never revealed during their practice sessions. But somehow she had survived the initial flurry, and now she knew what to expect."

Source: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Secondly, his regular strikes stagger Zannah and cause her to lose her balance, whereas in his orbalisk fury, she managed to hold her ground against a jumping attack with far more baseline force despite being far inferior to herself as of Dynasty of Evil:

"She scrambled to her feet and twirled her lightsaber before her, creating what she hoped would be an impenetrable wall of defense. Instead of trying to pierce her guard, Bane leapt high in the air and came down almost right on top of her. She deftly parried his blade, redirecting it to the side as she spun away to keep his body from slamming into her. But Bane caught her on the chin with his elbow as she turned, the blow snapping her head back. Her body went limp, her weapon dropped from her nerveless fingers, and she crumpled to the ground."

Source: Darth Bane: Rule of Two

"He opened with a series of two-handed overhead chops, using his great height to bring his blade hacking down at her from above. She easily blocked each blow, but the momentum of the crushing impact caused her to stagger back, throwing her off balance."

Source: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Both comparisons are related to the Force: speed and strength are the product of Force augmentation, which in turn stems from overall Force reserves. Thus, both comparisons would point to Darth Bane as of Dynasty of Evil being more powerful than when he donned a full set of orbalisk armour. While you could cite Bane’s musings in Dynasty of Evil as proof that he has declined in speed and strength, this does not invalidate my argument. Bane can still be more physically imposing than he was with the orbalisks, while having regressed from his peak; it simply means his theoretical prime occurred sometime before Dynasty of Evil, but still after Rule of Two. Bane as of the former undoubtedly remains the superior version to himself as of the latter, however.

Famousroman gave a more long and sophisticated analysis here:

Onto to the bigger fish: DOE Bane. There is a very common, popular belief that ROT Bane, due to his younger age and orbalisk armor, is Bane at his peak. I highly doubt this to be the case. Quite honestly, debunking this is not that hard.

DOE Bane’s superiority over ROT Bane comes from a few different things added together.

1- The orbalisks do not make one more powerful, they simply allow for one to summon more dark side power when needed, from the energy taken in/eaten by the orbalisks themselves. This means that, regardless of the orbalisks being there, Bane is growing in power no differently than he ever would without them, and may in fact be growing more, as I will later explain. (“He discovered not only what they were called, but also all the details of their ecology. Some of the information merely confirmed what he already knew: once attached to a host the orbalisks could not be removed. But he also learned that, in addition to boosting a host's physical abilities, it was possible to tap into the parasites' ability to feed on the dark side to greatly increase one's own command of the Force.” ROT novel)

2- While not directly mention power growth, DOE Bane has now far more knowledge at his disposal than he ever did, and is confirmed to have trained and grown (“Stagnation and complacency were the seeds that would lead to the ultimate destruction of the Jedi; as the Dark Lord, Bane had to be vigilant against allowing his own Order to fall into the same trap. It was necessary not just to train his apprentice, but also to continue to increase his own skills and knowledge.” DOE novel, prologue). Bane himself said his knowledge, wisdom, and experience EASILY make up for the physical stats that the orbalisks seemed to give him. (“Bane accepted this; what he lost in strength and speed he could easily compensate for with wisdom, knowledge, and experience.” DOE novel, prologue). This is what just a few orbalisks did for him without him having to even draw upon the force: “The alien fluids burned like acid as they were absorbed into his circulatory system; it felt as if every drop of blood were boiling ... but the benefits were too powerful to be ignored. In addition to his miraculous healing abilities, he felt stronger than he ever had. His senses were keener, his reflexes quicker. And on his chest and back where the creatures had latched on, their virtually impenetrable shells would serve as armor plates capable of withstanding even a direct strike from a lightsaber.” ROT novel, chapter 8.

3- Ironically enough, the orbalisks actually eat away at Bane’s power when he is not using them. (“He was particularly vulnerable to the orbalisks in this state. Normally they fed off the dark side energies that naturally flowed through him, but the creation of the Holocron demanded that he channel all his power directly into his work.” ROT novel, chapter 10) This means that by removing them, he would get stronger (not when drawing on their power, of course, which makes him more powerful instead). In theory, since the orbalisks eat away at his power normally, then his growth in power between ROT and DOE would actually be greater than his growth in power between POD and ROT, in which he had his powers lessened and taken away by the orbalisks constantly for an entire decade. Give ROT Bane 10 years of nonstop learning, training, and power upping and you have DOE Bane, whose body cannot withstand his own power anymore. Simply put- POD to ROT Bane grew in power 10 points, but the orbalisks took away 2 of those points from him. ROT to DOE Bane also grew in power 10, but no orbalisks were there to take away points from his growth. I would like to mention that there is no reason for ROT Bane’s growth to have been smaller than his POD growth. He had far more mastery of the dark side (making learning new abilities easier and less time consuming), far more knowledge to study from, more free time, an already trained apprentice, and had an easier time in using the force for such, since the lack of orbalisks made it easier for him.

4- Following point 3, Bane’s body in DOE cannot handle the power he has, as stated above. It took his body 10 years to start suffering these effects after ROT, meaning that they were not applicable in the past, and that he has indeed grown in power over the years. Mind you, age was not the cause of it- he was only 46. But the damage suffered and the dark side degradation were only taking effect now. They aged his body, and made his eyes sunken. In fact, he says that the previous year was worse than ever before, meaning that what the orbalisks caused is less worse than his previous year’s degradation. (“He couldn't help but smile at the grim irony: through the dark side he had access to near-infinite power, but it was power that came with a terrible cost. Flesh and bone lacked the strength to withstand the unfathomable energy unleashed by the Force. The unquenchable fire of the dark side was consuming him, devouring him bit by bit. After decades of focusing and channeling its power, his body was beginning to break down. His condition was exacerbated by the lingering effects of the orbalisk armor that had been killing him even as it gifted him with incredible strength and speed. The parasites had pushed his body well beyond its natural limits, aging him prematurely and intensifying the degeneration wrought by the power of the dark side. The orbalisks were gone now, but their damage could not be undone. The first outward manifestations of his failing health had been subtle: his eyes had become sunken and drawn, his skin a touch more pale and pockmarked than was normal for his age. The last year, however, had seen more pronounced deterioration, culminating with the involuntary tremor that seized his left hand with increasing frequency.” DOE novel, prologue)

5- DOE Bane’s power accolades, feats, and what not else are hilariously better than anything ROT Bane ever had. There is simply no comparison between the two on this matter. He is now an all powerful sith lord ("That mantle must be earned," Bane countered. "You wanted to wait, to take it by default." "You taught me patience," she reminded him. "You taught me to bide my time." "Not in this!" Bane shouted. "Only the strongest has the right to rule the Sith! The title of Dark Lord must be seized, wrenched from the all-powerful grasp of the Master!" DOE novel, chapter 21), with unlimited/nigh infinite powers (“He couldn't help but smile at the grim irony: through the dark side he had access to near-infinite power, but it was power that came with a terrible cost” DOE novel),

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who can cause disturbances in the force by waking up and using the force to break open a door while completely drugged (“She had gone less than a hundred meters when she felt a sudden and powerful disturbance in the Force. An instant later alarm bells rang out, and Zannah knew what had happened-Bane had escaped!” DOE novel, chapter 20.), who is the culmination of an extremely strong line of sith lords (as will be talked about later). He thinks ancient sith amulets and tools are too weak to even make a difference, that their dark side power is like that of a rain droplet being added to his ocean of power, and that they are simply toys. (“By the light of her glow lamp, she could see an array of jewelry carefully arranged in the display case: rings, necklaces, amulets, and even crowns, all imbued with the power of the dark side. Zannah had seen collections like this before. Ten years ago Hetton, a Force-sensitive Serrenian noble obsessed with the dark side, had shown her a similar trove of Sith artifacts:an offering he had hoped would convince Zannah to take him on as her apprentice despite his advanced age. Unfortunately for Hetton, his baubles and trinkets hadn't been able to save him-or his trained guards-when they confronted Zannah's own Master. Bane had shown Hetton the true power of the dark side, a lesson that had cost the old man his life. Bane also collected the treasures of the ancient Sith, but he preferred the wisdom contained in the ancient texts. Zannah knew he looked on the rings, amulets, and other paraphernalia with disdain. The spark of the dark side that burned within them was like a single drop of rain falling into the ocean of power he already commanded; he saw no need to augment his abilities with gaudy jewelry fashioned centuries ago by ancient Sith sorcerers.” DOE novel // "You are strong in the Force, and you have rejected the Jedi and their teachings. You are intelligent and resourceful. But your potential is unfulfilled. You have not dedicated yourself to the dark side. In your quest for the talismans of the ancient Sith you are like a child playing with his toys.” DOE novel, chapter 13). Future sith like Tenebrous and Plagueis viewed Bane as a deity, and considered his powers legendary (“Plagueis kept his thoughts to himself. The aptly named Darth Bane, who had redefined the Sith by limiting their number and operating from concealment, had mined cortosis as a youth on Apatros long before embracing the tenets of the dark side. In the thousand years since his death, Bane had become deified; the powers attributed to him, legendary.” Plagueis novel). Sidious himself considers Bane to be one of his most powerful predecessors (“In his quest for domination, Darth Sidious tracked down what remained of five pivotal Sith texts written by his most powerful predecessors.” Book of Sith). In DOE, Bane says that his understanding of the dark is far greater than that of ‘men like Andeddu’, who in this case, could actually be argued to be both the teachers in the Sith Brotherhood and that of the ancient sith whom Bane compared Andeddu to. (“He had learned nothing new about the Force, though the gatekeeper's words had revealed much about Darth Andeddu's personality and beliefs. Like many of the ancient Sith, he was cruel, arrogant, self-centered, and shortsighted. His lessons mirrored those of Bane's instructors at the Sith Academy on Korriban; lessons Bane had rejected decades ago as flawed. He had moved beyond their teachings. His understanding of the dark side had evolved. In creating the Rule of Two, he had ushered in a new era for the Sith. He had transcended the limited understanding of men like Andeddu, and he was done listening to the gatekeeper's ignorant litany.” DOE novel, chapter 12)

6- Will power. A huge difference in will power. DOE Bane outdoes ROT Bane on two fronts. First and foremost, he withstands pain far worse in his final battle against Zannah than what ROT Bane could ever handle (“Once, orbalisks had fused themselves to his body with a burning chemical compound so intense it had nearly driven him mad. Ten years ago they had been removed when Bane's flesh had been literally cooked by a concentrated blast of his own violet lightning. During her interrogation, Serra had pumped him full of a drug that had felt like it was eating him alive from the inside. But the excruciating pain he felt from the mere touch of the dark side tendril was unlike anything Bane had ever experienced before. The damage was far from life threatening, but it nearly sent Bane into shock. He fell hard to the ground, his jaw slack and his eyes rolling back into his head. His mind was reeling from the brief contact. The pain radiated through every nerve in his body, but what he felt went far beyond any mere physical sensation. It was not the raw heat of the dark side but rather the empty chill of the void itself spreading through him. It touched every synapse in his mind, it clawed at the core of his spirit. In that instant he tasted utter annihilation, and felt the true horror of absolute nothingness.” DOE novel), and secondly, he pulls off a will power feat that ROT Bane would never even consider attempting- the ability to impose one’s will upon a holocron. Bane dominates Andeddu’s holocron, but never even thinks of doing so to Nadd’s holocron, which took him years to fully learn from. The first part is incredibly significant. While arguing will power can be considered a slippery slope when comparing different characters, this would not apply here. Quite the opposite- the greater a force user’s will power, the more power they can draw from. Darth Vader when trying to save Luke from Sidious, or Yoda when realizing that he must defeat Sidious no matter what- those are very easy, simple ways to understand it. In truth, it gets no simpler than the fact that wanting it to happen more would be an obvious means of making a mental-based power more potent. If Bane’s full potential was that of 100 points, and his ROT self had the willpower to draw 50 points from that, then DOE Bane has the willpower to draw far more than 50, due to far greater will power (ROT Bane was conscious during his electrocution, but fainted shortly afterwards, while DOE Bane took something far worse in pain, and was fully awake, but downed nonetheless).

7- At the end of the DOE novel, Bane escapes a prison, and leaves it more powerful than when he entered. If there was not enough proof that Bane grew from DOE to ROT, then this statement says it all. (“Bane was well aware how close he had come to dying at Zannah's hand in the Stone Prison. Yet he was still alive, proof of his enduring strength and power. He had gone in a prisoner, but he had emerged more powerful than when he had entered.” DOE novel, chapter 24)

Well, Bane is so much more skilled and knowledgeable now that the orbalisks are easily replaced, they never made him more powerful than he would ever normally be in the first place, the orbalisks may have actually stunted his growth in the long run, they actually lessened his actual control over the dark side, his powers now harm his body more than they have ever done, he has massively better power accolades, has grown in will power by considerable margin, and actually has a confirmed growth in power towards the end of the book, AFTER all the previous point were already being applied to him. It is safe to say that DOE Bane is not just above ROT Bane, he is significantly above ROT Bane. He would always come out on top in a duel, regardless of durability, stamina, or regeneration, as he is much smarter, a much better force user, knows many more powers, and is not under constant pain and anger that can blind him from logic. Not to mention the fact that he already has the power necessary to kill ROT Bane’s orbalisks. There is simply really no comparison between the two.

So yes, in the end of the day, this feat remains good and true

Force section 2: Analyzing his resistance of the mind bomb

IMO, this feat is criminally underrated.

Firstly, lets look at the feat itself:

Darth Bane tolerated the intense mental pain the aftereffects of the thought bomb caused him.

His thick jaw was set in grim determination against the pain that flared up every few minutes at the back of his bare skull. He had been many kilometers away from the thought bomb when it detonated, but even at that range he had felt its power reverberating through the Force. The aftereffects lingered, sporadic bursts shooting through his brain like a million tiny knives stabbing at the dark recesses of his mind. He had expected these attacks to fade over time, but in the hours since the blast, their frequency and intensity had steadily increased.

He could have called on the Force to keep the pain at bay, cloaking himself in an aura of healing energy. But that was the way of the Jedi, and Bane was a Dark Lord of the Sith. He walked a different path, one that embraced suffering, drawing strength from the ordeal. He transformed the pain into anger and hate, feeding the flames of the dark side until his physical aspect seemed almost to glow with the fury of a storm it could barely contain.

Taken from Darth Bane: Rule of two

He did this while pre-prime due to the reason I stated above.

Darth Bane plunged his hand into the thought bomb and easily resisted the efforts of the spirits within to drag him into their prison. Brief contact with the thought bomb was enough to almost drive Darovit mad and left him rolling on the ground for a few hours, and one of these spirits later on was able to send Kyle Katarn into a vision of the past.

Approaching the globe, he reached out with his bare hand and pressed it firmly against the surface. It seared his palm with cold fire, but he was oblivious to the pain, enthralled by the object's mesmerizing call. Beneath his touch the dark swirling shadows within coalesced into a single mass. The thoughts of those trapped inside rushed up to meet him: faint whispers in the dark recesses of his mind, the words unintelligible but full of hate and despair.

Instinctively Bane's consciousness recoiled. He resisted, fighting the urge to pull his hand back. Instead he thrust his awareness forward, penetrating the surface of the orb to plunge into the unfathomable depths of its black heart. The hateful whispers erupted into shrieks of torment. But these were not the screams of sentient beings: they were bestial howls of primal, mindless fury. The identities of those the thought bomb had consumed-Lord Kaan, General Hoth, all their Sith and Jedi followers-had been destroyed, ripped apart by the thought bomb's explosion. Only torn bits remained, broken pieces of what once had been spirits, no longer capable of conscious thought, wailing in the shared suffering of their eternal madness.

They swarmed over Bane's consciousness, cleaving to his still-whole identity like parasites attaching themselves to a fresh host. The keening spirits enveloped him, clutching and clawing at his sanity as they tried to drag him down with them into their dark abyss.

Bane tore free with contemptuous ease, shredding the already frail and tattered spirits as he cast them aside, and let his mind drift back to the surface. An instant later he was free, leaving behind the prison from which the others would never escape.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

This means that Bane scales above the thought bomb which scales above spirits within which are capable of nearly driving Kyla Kantern insane. This somewhat scales Bane above Kantern but also all the Sith in the brotherhood. This is also a great Willpower/resistance feat

Force section 3: Analyzing scaling above planetary nexus

This section is discussing his scaling above the planetary nexus on the planet

Darth Bane's power in 1000 BBY while poisoned was greater than anything the Huntress had ever observed before, despite her having felt the nexus on Ambria, and having just seen the history of the planet in which a Sith Sorceress dominated the planet with the Dark Side and Thon cleansed it.

Even though they were decades removed from the encounter, the Iktotchi sensed the raw power of the dark side emanating from him. It was like nothing she had seen or felt before, both terrifying and exhilarating

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Just for reference, here is the devastation of Ambria the Huntress previously observed:

Thousands of years ago Ambria had been a world of verdant forests, brimming with life and the power of the Force. But the lush vegetation had been devastated when a Sith sorceress tried-and failed-to bend the entire planet to her will through a powerful ritual. Unable to control the violent energies of the dark side, she was destroyed by her own spell, as was the landscape of the entire planet.

For centuries the corruption of the failed ritual influenced all life on Ambria, transforming the once beautiful world into a nightmare of stunted, poisonous vegetation and twisted, mutated beasts. Eventually the dark side energies released by the Sith sorceress were trapped in a great lake near the planet's equator by a Jedi Master named Thon, but the damage was too widespread for the world to ever be completely healed.

The Iktotchi knew all this not because she had studied the planet's history, however. Her connection to the Force allowed her to see things.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil
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This, once again, showcased Bane's incredible planetary force powers and capabilities, and proved his absolute amounts of power

Force section 4: Analyzing the temple busting feat:

I will make this short and concise, he effortlessly busted an entire temple on Lehon:

There was nothing subtle about Bane's attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas'im's body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.

Unfortunately, he couldn't shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas'im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi'lek's dying screams with a deafening rumble.

Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple's implosion from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Note, that this version of Bane is vastly pre-prime due to the reasonings I already gave you

Pretty impressie NGL

Force section 5: Analyzing his superiority to Zannah

Darth Bane is confirmed to be above Darth Zannah:

"Listen to me, Master!" she shouted now that she had put some distance between them. "If I wanted to betray you, why didn't I help them during the-oooffff!"

Bane hit her with a powerful Force throw, sending her hurtling backward. Only the barrier she had instinctively thrown up at the last second to shield herself saved her bones from being shattered by the concussive force of the impact.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

While Darth Bane was injured and barely able to stand, he was capable of snapping Darth Zannah's neck with the Force.

She could feel the heat of his anger, and she knew one wrong word and he'd snap her neck in two with the Force.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Why is this impressive? While in RoT, Darth Zannah is already capable of great powers in force concealment:

Darth Zannah cloaked herself with the Force to kill Raskta Lsu from behind without any of the Jedi noticing.

Gathering the dark side around her, Zannah created a concealing cloak to mask her power as she had done at the Jedi Temple. While she did so, she saw the Ithorian slowly rise to his feet and close his eyes in concentration. She felt the surge of light-side energy rolling across the room, as did Bane's opponents. Suddenly invigorated, they backed her Master up against a wall, concentrating their attacks on his face and the joints of his wrist where the orbalisks had left tiny gaps in his armor.

Zannah rushed to her Master's aid, coming up silently behind the Jedi. Her presence hidden by her spell of concealment, they never sensed her coming. She struck the Echani down first, thrusting her blade forward so that it pierced the Jedi's back and ran her through. The Echani cried out and slumped forward, dropping at Zannah's feet.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Darth Zannah concealed herself and Bane's presences from fourteen Jedi.

And he never sensed the apprentice and her unconscious Master, masked by Sith sorcery, hiding silently in the cellar just below his feet.

And destroying a powerful Jedi with her spell of madness:

Darth Zannah used a curse on Cyndra, forcing her to hallucinate all of her worst fears, driving her insane, and destroying her mind. The initial casting of the illusions took less than a second, and they grew perpetually worse and worse as they progressed.

Zannah shook her elbow free of Cyndra's grasp and raised her shackled hands before her face. Weaving her ringers in a complex pattern in the air, she reached out with the Force and plunged deep inside the Chiss woman's mind to find her secret, most primal fears. Buried in her subconscious were nameless horrors: abominations and creatures of nightmare never meant to see the light of day. Drawing on the power of Sith sorcery, Zannah plucked them out and brought them to life one by one.

The entire process took less than a second. In that time Cyndra had drawn her weapon, but instead of pointing it at Zannah she suddenly screamed and aimed it high in the air above her, firing wildly at demons conjured from her own mind that only she could see.

The illusions grew more real and more terrifying the longer the spell continued, but Zannah had no intention of ending it yet. The Chiss shrieked and threw her weapon to the ground. She flung her head wildly from side to side, covering it with her arms and screaming "No!" over and over before collapsing on the floor. Weeping and sobbing, she curled up into a tight little ball, still muttering "No, no, no..."

Everyone else in the room was staring at her in horror and bewilderment. Some of the guards took a step back, afraid they might somehow become infected by her madness.

Zannah could have ended it then, dispelling the illusion and allowing Cyndra to fall into unconsciousness. She would wake hours later with only the most basic recollection of what had happened, her mind instinctively recoiling from the memories of what it had witnessed. Or Zannah could push the illusion even farther, driving her victim to the edge of insanity and beyond. An image of the Chiss romantically entangled with Kel sprang unbidden to her mind-and Zannah pushed.

Cyndra's cries of terror became animal howls as her sanity was ripped apart by the ghastly visions. Her hands scratched and clawed at her own eyes, tearing them out. Blood poured down her cheeks, but even blindness couldn't save her from the nightmares crawling through what was left of her mind.

Her howls stopped as her body went into seizure; her mouth foamed as her limbs convulsed wildly on the floor. Then, with a final bloodcurdling shriek, she fell suddenly limp and lay still. Her conscious mind completely and irrevocably obliterated, her catatonic body was now nothing more than an empty shell.

The body shivered once, and Zannah knew that somewhere in the deepest core of Cyndra's subconscious a small part of her still existed, silently screaming, trapped forever with the horrors inside her own mind.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Darth Zannah drove Sarro Xaj mad with her spell when provided with the opening provided by a simple glance.

The big man hesitated, casting a quick glance over toward the others to see what had happened. Seizing the opportunity, Zannah's fingers flickered in strange patterns as she unleashed her Sith sorcery at her foe.

His eyes went wide and he stumbled away from her, his lightsaber swinging wildly at the air around him as he was beset on all sides by imaginary demons. Flailing in half-mad terror at the invisible monsters, he ignored Zannah as she swooped in and ended his life with one long, diagonal stroke across his muscular chest.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

So yes, pretty darn powerful. And here is a blog regarding Zannah's powers

Scalings and conclusions

It's been fun my friends, but I will leave u guys with several lines of scaling in the end

First of: Darth Bane's line of improvements:

DOE Bane >>> ROT Bane >> Multiple powerful Sith Lords + POD Bane << POD Bane using 2 orbalisks <<< ROT Bane with a whole body’s worth who can achieve planetary feats such as destroying a planet

ROT Bane also scales above a planetary nexus

DOE Bane >>> ROT Bane >>> POD Bane >> Lord Qordis >> Normal members of brotherhood >> sith warriors who are army level

In terms of dueling:

DOE Bane >>> ROT Bane >>> Amped Lsu >> Base Lsu > Lord Hoth who is very impressive

DOE Bane >>> ROT Bane >> POD Bane >> Lord Kas'im who is very skilled

FamousRoman's scaling chains:

ZANNAH SCALING: PART 1-

This will be brief, but needed to understand Bane’s growth in power between POD and ROT. First, I will need to establish why Zannah is important, and what she represents here. Zannah, is, first and foremost, by ROT, a much better trained POD Bane. She is what Bane would have become if he had the proper training from the start, and a decade of it, instead of 6 years, with only half of that being meaningful force training, if not less.. She had better resources, a more powerful master, and a longer time to perfect her techniques. She could do things in 10 years that ROT Bane could not do even with 16 years of training. It should be obvious enough that ROT Zannah is, by all means and purposes, more powerful than POD Bane. Not just more powerful, but an overall better force user. Here are a few quotes regarding her potential in the force:

“The girl's eyes opened wide. Then they narrowed as she focused intently on what he was saying. "You have the potential to surpass me," he continued.” ROT novel.

“Zannah was smart and cunning, and her powers in the dark side might be even greater than his own.” DOE novel.

All this is almost completely unimportant if it were not for a single statement: “She could feel the heat of his anger, and she knew one wrong word and he'd snap her neck in two with the Force.” ROT novel, chapter 23.

The statement comes from after Bane goes through surgery, getting all of his orbalisk removed. He is in bed, almost completely unable to move. No orbalisk regeneration, no increased rage, no adrenaline boost, not a single orbalisk advantage that he would have otherwise had. This is Bane at his lowest, weakest point in the whole novel. But I suppose it gets no simpler than that. ROT Bane, without orbalisks, while injured and bed-ridden, can snap a POD Bane level being’s neck without much trouble. There is also this: "It was easy enough to guess what had happened. Bane had failed yet again in his attempt to create a Holocron, then in a blind rage lashed out at the world around him with all the power of the Force. If she had been here when it happened, Zannah wondered, could she have stopped him? Would she even have been able to survive?" ROT novel, chapter 11, but it's not as clear, even though it states that Bane could accidentally have killer her with his power.

ZANNAH SCALING: PART 2

This second part is not as needed as the first part. It is more of another way to look at DOE Bane > ROT Bane, if you will. As we have talked about in PART 1, Zannah’s growth is that of a far greater quality than that of Bane, as much as it hurts for me to say. Therefore, her growth between ROT (the one talked about before, who is > POD Bane) and DOE (the current one) is also greater than POD Bane (weaker and less skilled than ROT Zannah) and ROT Bane’s (who will be compared to DOE Zannah now). Yet again, Zannah had another decade to grow in power, preparing to kill Bane, the most powerful being she ever met. She went from being fodder to ROT Bane, to being DOE Bane’s nigh-equal. This is a huge power growth. As shown with Bane, the decade of growth between POD and ROT was enormous. Her growth between ROT and DOE would’ve been far greater, as she not only started out more powerful, she also had far more resources. To put it into perspective-

POD Bane < ROT Zannah <<< ROT Bane in the statement used << ROT Bane healthily << ROT Bane using orbalisks < DOE Zannah < DOE Zannah using Ambria amp (the amp could be higher by all means, since she managed to pull off a technique that almost instantly took Bane out without much effort at all) ~ DOE Bane post prison (he was not fighting to kill her, but instead to simply defeat and possess her, while she had been trained to kill Bane since day 1)

Thing is, her power growth was phenomenal. She may very well be >> ROT Bane, considering the fact that it was already confirmed that Bane thinks she would surpass him back in ROT anyhow. Add that to the fact that she equals DOE Bane, ROT Bane’s significant superior, and it all falls into place quite nicely.

I am well aware of how much SW debaters like scaling chains, so I would like to do a few of them:

ROT Bane vs Freedon Nadd, in terms of power-

Thon < Arca Jeth (Arca has better stats, so I give him an edge here) <<< King Ommin (he fought a dark side weakened Arca, but still dominated him thoroughly) <<< Freedon Nadd (the power that Ommin had was only a portion of Nadd’s full power)

vs

Thon <<< POD Bane (Thon is nothing compared to POD Bane, per the Huntress) < POD Bane (fire ritual with 5 other sith lords) < POD Bane (using a couple orbalisks, he has greater power than ever before) <<< ROT Bane << ROT Bane (using all orbiks, which gives the wearer a much greater ability to draw upon the dark side of the force)

I personally lean Bane’s way here.

ROT Bane vs Naga Sadow, in terms of power-

King Adas < Jedi Exiles (greater than any before) < Ajunta Pall (greatest of the Exiles) < Sadow (through selective breeding over thousands of years) < Sadow (centuries later) << Sadow (with amulets)

vs

King Adas < Jedi Exiles (greater than any before) < Ajunta Pall (greatest of the Exiles) < Sith Sorceress’s ritual (greater than what any previous dark sider could ever pull off) << POD Bane < POD Bane (fire ritual with 5 other sith lords) < POD Bane (using a couple orbalisks, he has greater power than ever before) <<< ROT Bane << ROT Bane (using all orbiks, which gives the wearer a much greater ability to draw upon the dark side of the force)

Yet again, I lean towards Bane here.

Dueling skill scaling chain for Bane-

Tulak Hord, Exar Kun, etc <= Kas’im (possibly greatest duelist in the galaxy’s history) = POD Bane << ROT Bane (could duel a greatly amped Raskta Lsu (who has accolades comparable to Kasim's accolades) and Farfalla, while weakened by battle meditation) << DOE Bane (his greater skill easily makes up for the effects of the orbalisks, meaning that he is now far more skilled than he was before)

Bane’s power progression-

POD Bane < POD Bane (fire ritual) < POD Bane (couple orbalisks) <<< ROT Bane << ROT Bane (using orbalisks) < DOE Bane (I’m being generous to ROT Bane here. DOE Bane is possibly much more powerful than ROT Bane due to accolades and statements, but I won't stretch the rope too much) < DOE Bane (after leaving the prison)

Note: I (Darthor) actually disagree with some of the things here. But certainly worth thinking about

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Nice. This will give the Banite Sith a vast amount of scaling

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Nice. This will give the Banite Sith a vast amount of scaling

I hope so.

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@darthor: The more Maul wank the better lol

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@darthor: The more Maul wank the better lol

LMAO. I was actually making this to wank Dooku but I supposed it wanks Maul too. But yeah, @famousroman actually made a lot of this. I just added some stuff, took down some stuff (such as trading cards etc.).

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Very nice, Bane is one of my favorite characters, unfortunate that he's buried in scaling .

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@uhu123 said:

Very nice, Bane is one of my favorite characters, unfortunate that he's buried in scaling .

IKR? The notion that somebody like Dooku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bane is inconsistent with their feats, and mind you I'm a major Dooku fan

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@darthor: It is, but it's kind of impossible to dismiss. Although the extend can be discussed (some people think Plagueis is hundreds of times more powerful than Bane which is just ... no), the existence of a massive gap is pretty much undeniable.

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@uhu123 said:

@darthor: It is, but it's kind of impossible to dismiss. Although the extend can be discussed (some people think Plagueis is hundreds of times more powerful than Bane which is just ... no), the existence of a massive gap is pretty much undeniable.

the big gap is undeniable, but people do overstate the difference

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Damn, and this is still WIP.

Keep up the good work my dude!

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Damn, and this is still WIP.

Keep up the good work my dude!

Thanks! Most of the materials in here (such as the intro part) is created by @famousroman. This is a collab between us

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@darthor said:
@spider-simp said:

Damn, and this is still WIP.

Keep up the good work my dude!

Thanks! Most of the materials in here (such as the intro part) is created by @famousroman. This is a collab between us

Ah shit, I didn't read that bit lol. Good job to him too! Some great stuff here!

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@darthor said:
@spider-simp said:

Damn, and this is still WIP.

Keep up the good work my dude!

Thanks! Most of the materials in here (such as the intro part) is created by @famousroman. This is a collab between us

Ah shit, I didn't read that bit lol. Good job to him too! Some great stuff here!

Thanks! And I'm sure he will be thankful too if he eventually see this

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Good job

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Amazing nice stuff

I personally believe the Rule of Two scaling is nuts and makes no sense

Like Sidious existed in the films before that stuff

And he's near Fisto who reacts to him, Krayt is near RoTS Kenobi etc. then gets to Yoda level through DS

Bane is basically RoTS Yoda level all those Dark Side immersed guys are

I won't start a thread here find my Discord in my bio

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Amazing job, I love the context ur giving here. Keep it upppp

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And he's near Fisto

Fisto isn't anywhere near ROTS Sidious. What are you talking about?

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One cannot appreciate Darth Bane's "true" strength without largely discarding the Rule of Two perceived scaling. He was not written as vastly beneath the main character Sith we all know and recognize from the films. Rather, "all-powerful", with a "near-infinite" connection to the dark side, and a match for "maybe the greatest swordsman ever".

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Regardless, James Luceno's Plagueis established that Bane's own Force mastery does not carry over to his successors after Darth Gravid:

"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_Recap_143276.asp

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith. But his apprentice carried the imperative forward, and each successive Sith Lord improved on it.

...

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

~ Darth Plagueis (2012)

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well, if u guys wish for me to take a look at some misconceptions about the Rule of Two, I could add that in there. for one, its stated that the rule of two started to truly take noticeable affect only about 300 years prior to the prequels era, which would include the more obvious, and commonly known tenebrous's master, tenebrous himself, plagueis, sidious, maul, dooku, and anakin/vader, which seems quite possible and believable. we know that the order had many, many failures, even early on as its 4th generation (bane -> zannah -> cognus -> millenial). then there are the basics of apprentices killing their masters when the time was not right, and unfairly as well. the power passed down through the ranks may also have been bane's power, according to the book of the sith, which means that the huge power ups we see could have been bane's own power, which could be possible, considering the fact that zannah felt 'bane' after she beat him. it could be a side effect of the essence tranfer that failed if anything. i will be adding more to bane's actual power at one point, regarding a MASSIVE boost in respect once it is done (the likes of putting him above quite a few characters). some serious vitiate/sidious/plagueis level shit, if u will. albeit, this blog by itself should tell u how ridiculously good bane is, the actual power he wields is much more than what it seems.

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forgot to say that he is considered legendary and is deified by the later sith in the rule of two order itself, so yeah, he is not meant to be fodder to venamis, for example.

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Regardless, James Luceno's Plagueis established that Bane's own Force mastery does not carry over to his successors after Darth Gravid:

"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_Recap_143276.asp

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith. But his apprentice carried the imperative forward, and each successive Sith Lord improved on it.

...

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

~ Darth Plagueis (2012)

thank you for clarifying. I will create a section just for the debunking of RoT

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forgot to say that he is considered legendary and is deified by the later sith in the rule of two order itself, so yeah, he is not meant to be fodder to venamis, for example.

Venamis never reached level of mastery, but what you are saying is correct

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"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_R

This in no way stops the rule of two era Sith from growing stronger, it merely prevents Plagueis from knowing all of the ancient powers and techniques:

Fact is that the Rule of Two Sith grew stronger with each generation. There's no way around it:

Never again would there be more than two Sith Lords at one time, but members of the order continued expanding their dark powers without the knowledge of the Jedi, waiting for the opportunity to seize control of the galaxy.

Source: The Official Fact File #1.

As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.

Source: The Phantom Menace Scrapbook.

Ultimately, Bane's plan produced more powerful Sith Lords with each generation.

Source: Force and Destiny

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"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_R

This in no way stops the rule of two era Sith from growing stronger, it merely prevents Plagueis from knowing all of the ancient powers and techniques:

Fact is that the Rule of Two Sith grew stronger with each generation. There's no way around it:

Never again would there be more than two Sith Lords at one time, but members of the order continued expanding their dark powers without the knowledge of the Jedi, waiting for the opportunity to seize control of the galaxy.

Source: The Official Fact File #1.

As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.

Source: The Phantom Menace Scrapbook.

Ultimately, Bane's plan produced more powerful Sith Lords with each generation.

Source: Force and Destiny

That doesn't change the fact that there are setbacks, such as Darth Victivus or Darth Gravid, and especially during Gravid most of the Sith materials are destroyed. I agree that Dooku should scale above Bane, but not that much. And I prefer Dooku as a character.

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@darthor: Those setbacks are in knowledge only, each Sith Lord became more powerful than their predecessor, which is confirmed (as per the sources @hellothere5432 so kindly provided). Gravid is no exception, Gean would have had to kill him in single combat before herself growing further into her prime and being killed by her apprentice, and so on. There is simply no way Bane is close to people like Maul or Dooku, he is thirty at least noticeable gaps of power removed from TPM Sidious, who himself was vastly pre-prime. Despite that, I immensely enjoyed both this blog and Bane as a character, he is unfortunately not discussed very much on CV.

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Lucas himself states that the ROT failed lol, and I looking for no scans either. It's not my problem if y'all don't know ur shit tbh. Look into it

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"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_R

This in no way stops the rule of two era Sith from growing stronger, it merely prevents Plagueis from knowing all of the ancient powers and techniques:

It does generally, for knowledge is power. They are interlinked. One of your own sources acknowledged this, linking a gradual increase in knowledge to a simultaneous increase in power:

As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.

Sourcebooks will be sourcebooks. However, this Star Wars novel by James Luceno, entitled Darth Plagueis, reveals that the Banite lineage was immensely crippled by the sabotage of Darth Gravid:

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith. But his apprentice carried the imperative forward, and each successive Sith Lord improved on it.

Knowledge of the Force in this context, in this work, translated to strength. Sidious repeatedly muses as much here:

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful.

And, he goes on to consider, the tenure of Darth Gravid "set the Sith back countless years" in this regard:

The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

In addition, it cuts against the notion that the prequel era Sith Lords -- such as Darths Venamis, Tyranus, Vader or Maul, for example -- are guaranteed scaling over Bane's own knowledge of the Force.

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@darthor: Those setbacks are in knowledge only, each Sith Lord became more powerful than their predecessor, which is confirmed (as per the sources @hellothere5432 so kindly provided). Gravid is no exception, Gean would have had to kill him in single combat before herself growing further into her prime and being killed by her apprentice, and so on. There is simply no way Bane is close to people like Maul or Dooku, he is thirty at least noticeable gaps of power removed from TPM Sidious, who himself was vastly pre-prime. Despite that, I immensely enjoyed both this blog and Bane as a character, he is unfortunately not discussed very much on CV.

The thing of it is, Gravid was insane when Gean confronted him -- and she nearly died in the process:

For the Jedi, Mastery was conferred when one attained a true understanding of the ways of the Force; for the Sith, that level of understanding was merely the beginning. The Jedi Order’s homespun cloaks announced: I want for nothing, because I am clothed in the Force; the cloaks of the Sith: I am the light in the dark, the convergence of opposing energies. And yet, while all Sith Lords were powerful, not all were brilliant or in complete possession of the powers the dark side granted them. Darth Millennial had rebelled against the teachings of his Master, Darth Cognus, and even Plagueis spoke of having reached a philosophical impasse with his Master, Tenebrous.

A human Sith Lord whose short reign had elapsed some five centuries earlier, Gravid had been persuaded to believe that total commitment to the dark side would sentence the Sith Order to eventual defeat, and so had sought to introduce Jedi selflessness and compassion into his teachings and practice, forgetting that there can be no return to the light for an adept who has entered the dark wood; that the dark side will not surrender one to whom, by mutual agreement, it has staked a claim. Driven increasingly mad by his attempts to straddle the two realms, Gravid became convinced that the only way to safeguard the future of the Sith was to hide or destroy the lore that had been amassed through the generations -- the texts, holocrons, and treatises -- so that the Sith could fashion a new beginning for themselves that would guarantee success. Barricaded within the walls of a bastion he and his Twi’lek apprentice, Gean, had constructed on Jaguada, he had attempted as much, and was thought to have destroyed more than half the repository of artifacts before Gean, demonstrating consummate will and courage, had managed to penetrate the Force fields Gravid had raised around their stronghold and intercede, killing her Master with her bare hands, though at the cost of her arm, shoulder, and the entire left side of her face and chest.

It is unlikely that Gravid surpassed his own master before descending into madness. Unlikely that he ever achieved his peak. Far more unlikely that -- disregarding the former assumptions -- Gean surpassed his pre-insanity strength. Unknowable if Gean even straight-up overmatched him. That his sabotage drastically damaged the power, plots and knowledge of the Sith Order makes it rather clear that his reign did not carry the Sith imperative forward, as many claim. He was only the reigning Dark Lord for a "brief" period of time before succumbing to insanity.

RoT scaling for the prequel Sith begins at Darth Gean. Gravid's master is the last Sith who might scale to Bane's power. Darth Plagueis clarified that the Sith did not have anything approaching a clear shot of improvement from Bane to Sidious. Rather, from Gean to Sidious. Likewise, it established that Bane's powers were highly regarded -- deified, even -- by his successors, defying the idea that all who came after him grew stronger and stronger than he'd ever been. Defying the idea that he was comparatively weak.

Really, now, a stand-alone examination of the Darth Bane trilogy should not yield the viewpoint many fans tend to have. This is the trouble with attempting to mash the random statements of guides or sourcebooks with major pieces of storytelling like novels, comics, or video games. In Bane's first novel, he is a prodigy who considerably outpaces an academy of prodigies. By the end of it all, he's the strongest Dark Lord of his era, and a match for the most skilled Sith swordsman of the era, who had spent decades meticulously honing his pre-existing mastery of all seven lightsaber forms. Someone said to have been "maybe the greatest swordsman ever". The author of the series described him and Revan as "all-powerful Jedi and Sith", and by the third novel, Bane's mastery of the Force is said to be "near infinite."

Fans do enjoy their scaling chains, but it's clear that Bane was intended to be a top tier.

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@lord_tenebrous: All of this is pure speculation and we actually have confirmation that each generation grew in power. So Gravid did factually surpass his master and Gean did factually surpass him, even if she might not be above Gravids prime self by the time of killing him. We have far too little information about the Banites to draw any conclusion about powerlevels ourselves and the sourcebook statements don't contradict what we do know. If we want to compare feats, Sidious and Plagueis, even Tenebrous, are massively above both Zannah and Bane, so yes, Banite scaling works by both statements and feats, no contradiction there. While Sidious´ apprentices are not privy to Banite scaling per se, all of them enjoy some degree of comparability with a version of their master who does, as well as being vastly superior to Bane by feats, so they are decently superior, not much of a debate to be had there.

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Here's the reality of the Gravid thing. Yes, he destroyed the knowledge. But then his apprentice overpowered and killed him. Then their apprentice surpassed them. And so the line continues with nothing in the power progression truly disrupted. The most you can argue is that the growth rate was blunted. But it's undeniable that it still existed between gens.

The most you can argue is that the Banites lost some techniques. But the idea they lost power holds no water and never has.

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Here's the reality of the Gravid thing. Yes, he destroyed the knowledge. But then his apprentice overpowered and killed him. Then their apprentice surpassed them. And so the line continues with nothing in the power progression truly disrupted. The most you can argue is that the growth rate was blunted. But it's undeniable that it still existed between gens.

The most you can argue is that the Banites lost some techniques. But the idea they lost power holds no water and never has.

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@uhu123:

All of this is pure speculation and we actually have confirmation that each generation grew in power. So Gravid did factually surpass his master and Gean did factually surpass him, even if she might not be above Gravids prime self by the time of killing him.

It is hardly "pure speculation", when it is repeatedly affirmed in Darth Plagueis. Gravid crippled the Banite lineage in every regard, practically resetting the clock.

"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_Recap_143276.asp

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith. But his apprentice carried the imperative forward, and each successive Sith Lord improved on it.

...

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

...

For the Jedi, Mastery was conferred when one attained a true understanding of the ways of the Force; for the Sith, that level of understanding was merely the beginning. The Jedi Order’s homespun cloaks announced: I want for nothing, because I am clothed in the Force; the cloaks of the Sith: I am the light in the dark, the convergence of opposing energies. And yet, while all Sith Lords were powerful, not all were brilliant or in complete possession of the powers the dark side granted them. Darth Millennial had rebelled against the teachings of his Master, Darth Cognus, and even Plagueis spoke of having reached a philosophical impasse with his Master, Tenebrous.

A human Sith Lord whose short reign had elapsed some five centuries earlier, Gravid had been persuaded to believe that total commitment to the dark side would sentence the Sith Order to eventual defeat, and so had sought to introduce Jedi selflessness and compassion into his teachings and practice, forgetting that there can be no return to the light for an adept who has entered the dark wood; that the dark side will not surrender one to whom, by mutual agreement, it has staked a claim. Driven increasingly mad by his attempts to straddle the two realms, Gravid became convinced that the only way to safeguard the future of the Sith was to hide or destroy the lore that had been amassed through the generations -- the texts, holocrons, and treatises -- so that the Sith could fashion a new beginning for themselves that would guarantee success. Barricaded within the walls of a bastion he and his Twi’lek apprentice, Gean, had constructed on Jaguada, he had attempted as much, and was thought to have destroyed more than half the repository of artifacts before Gean, demonstrating consummate will and courage, had managed to penetrate the Force fields Gravid had raised around their stronghold and intercede, killing her Master with her bare hands, though at the cost of her arm, shoulder, and the entire left side of her face and chest.

Thus, no one scales from Bane following Gravid. The prequel era Sith scale from Darth Gean, who carried the Sith imperative forward in the aftermath.

If we want to compare feats, Sidious and Plagueis, even Tenebrous, are massively above both Zannah and Bane, so yes, Banite scaling works by both statements and feats, no contradiction there.

I will not get into all that, for it is irrelevent. I brought up objective measures of being top-tier regardless of medium differences -- regardless of individual author or era -- such as repeated comparisons to omnipotence -- hyperbolic though they may be -- being the strongest of an age, decades of improvement over baseline expansive combat mastery, reportedly being a contender for the greatest swordsman in history.

Trouncing several assassins or lifting a speeder may be impressive in some mediums, impossible in others, and small potatoes in more still. The kind of feats fans have always debated vehemently. And these differences gave birth to a reliance on supremacy quotes, which exist outside of feats. Certain things, however, translate across mediums.

Furthermore, the high regard in which Bane's successors held his mastery of the Force. He was "deified", with legendary powers attributed to him. If it was a given that he was the weakest of their lineage, with each proceeding Sith further eclipsing him, this would make little sense. None at all, as it happens.

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Here's the reality of the Gravid thing. Yes, he destroyed the knowledge. But then his apprentice overpowered and killed him. Then their apprentice surpassed them. And so the line continues with nothing in the power progression truly disrupted. The most you can argue is that the growth rate was blunted. But it's undeniable that it still existed between gens.

The most you can argue is that the Banites lost some techniques. But the idea they lost power holds no water and never has.

Absent Palpatine's musings, one could conceivably argue as much. However, they do exist, and overall power is quite clearly being referred to:

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

Gravid explicitly set the Sith back "countless years" in that category. He only "attempted" to prove more powerful, to further the strength of the Sith in his own way. Implicitly confirming that he never surpassed his own master, on top of significantly reducing the progress of the Banite lineage.

As for Gean, she took her master in a state of insanity, and sustained record injuries in the process. We know not that she even outmatched him, and given the documented results, it's unlikely.

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I am sincerely sorry for such a long time without updates, but I cannot open by blogs or even post due to the 500 internal server error. I am back and this thread will receive further updating from now on

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I am sincerely sorry for such a long time without updates, but I cannot open by blogs or even post due to the 500 internal server error. I am back and this thread will receive further updating from now on

The error is fixed. Just as a side note, the Rule of Two Banite scaling is incredibly consistent. I don't think that can be "debunked".

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Disclaimer: As of the time you are reading this, this thread is either incomplete or experiencing a major update. Please do not click into the spoiler sign below:

Before reading, I want to note that the vast majority of the contents with this thread is created by user @famousroman. My job here is just to edit it slightly and format it. This will be a collaboration between us. So please, credits to him. Also, this thread will fall under the LFL policy of CV, so that is the reason why Bane > all previous Sith is not discussed in this thread. That being said, let's discuss the true power of Darth Bane.

Introduction

Bane of the Sith… and of the Jedi

Foreword: I would like to apologize for the length of the blog. I wanted to leave no rock/stone unturned, while also trying to be thorough and precise. I ask that you read my blog with care, at least, and please, do tell me of any disagreements that might come your way as you read this blog.

Each part of this blog is meant to be read almost separately. There is no need to connect POD Bane to ROT Bane, or ROT Bane to DOE Bane for the blog to make sense. I look at, explain, and talk about many different things that make Bane powerful, regardless of time and place. Do some of these explanations connect to something else in the blog? Yes, because I wrote it to be like that on purpose. But this is not the case with everything present here.

Bane's biology:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Bane

Key characters:

This will be the introduction to several key character

Once upon a time, there was a little planet called Korriban, in which the sith species resided. They were big, strong, red-skinned humanoids, who had a natural talent for the force. They were evil by nature, and loved power more than everything else. They fought each other for thousands of years, and conquered worlds for just as long. Before the sith ‘united’ into an order, ruled by one Sith Lord, they had on and off rulers and oppressors, who were mostly individuals who simply abused their strength in their force against their weaker fellow sith. They may have been simply too big and strong, or too skilled in the force compared to the others, but this gave them significant edges. Over many generations, the sith fought and fought for power, with oftentimes, only the strongest of the sith being left alive. These few lucky ones would then rule the sith species (or at least a portion of them) for some number of years. This stopped almost abruptly though, during the reign of Dathka Graush, who almost completely dominated the species, just before becoming their supreme ruler. Graush was powerful, skilled, and absurdly evil, even by sith standards.

After his death, and some centuries later, an ancestor of his (Hakagram Graush) took up the mantle of king of the sith people. Albeit, unfortunately for Hakagram, this happened at a very bad time. Hakagram’s reign was set during the time in which the dark jedi exiles arrived in Korriban. They were what their names imply- but also much more. They were few in number, but powerful beyond belief. Stronger than any emperor or king who had come before- and with techniques and powers that the sith species had never before seen- they were worshipped as gods and demi-gods by the sith people. They became their rulers, and their lords. The dark lords of the sith, if you will. They learned quickly from and with the sith, and grew in power more and more as time passed. By selectively breeding with only the most powerful and gifted of the sith species, the dark lords assured that the generations after theirs would become more powerful with time. Some hundreds of years later, a sith disciple, a sorceress, left for a planet called Ambria. She was not special by any means, but still managed to enslave the planet’s populace, and bend them to her will. She used her slaves to create structures of dark power, meant for rituals that were never before attempted. After centuries of construction, the structures were finished, and her ritual would take place- but she bit more than she could chew. The power generated by the ritual was more than what any being before her had ever managed to gather. More than Dathka Graush, Hakagram Graush, and more even than what the Dark Lords of the Sith could call upon.

But the sorceress herself could not command and control such power, which led to a massive failure- Ambria was destroyed, left barren, and left as a dark side nexus, whilst almost every living being in it died- the sorceress included. (“Gradually, however, the world's resources were depleted by a Sith disciple driven mad by the power of the dark side. She enslaved the sentient species and used many of the native fauna as beasts of burden, concentrating all of her efforts on the creation of an enormous dark-side obelisk that rose into the sky like a black spike wedged into the planet's surface. Over hundreds of years the construction continued, the Sith sorceress's obsession as strong as ever. As far as Jedi scholars have been able to determine, she attempted a complex Sith ritual that called on more power than any individual had asked of the dark side before.” Tales of the Jedi Companion)

As the centuries passed, many dark lords came and went. One of them was called Darth Andeddu. He, like many of the sith at the time, could extend his life by using an advanced version of drain- but he was special. Andeddu was not a sith, he was an outsider. He rose through the ranks of Korriban and became its dark lord of the sith. He learned their techniques, and improved upon them. But as he grew in power and skill and knowledge, so did the jealousy and greed of the sith subordinates around him. They covetted his knowledge, and banded together in an attempt to kill and overthrow him. He left for Prakith, his homeworld, wherein he started a cult, and further mastered his techniques, leaving the planet as a strong dark side nexus. He believed in the idea/concept that will power and that the mind are the ways to true power. Therefore, he used one of his newly created techniques to put his essence and mind onto his holocron.

Towards the end of this sith empire/reign, came a sith hybrid called Naga Sadow. A famous sith inquisitor, who was a master of sith alchemy and sorcery of the highest caliber. An incredibly powerful and intelligent man as well, he became Dark Lord after Marka Ragnos’ death (the strongest sith lord in history up until that point in time, and even some time later), and lost against the Republic in the Great Hyperspace War. He went into hiding in Yavin 4 (and lived for some centuries more), while some of the other sith hid in Ambria, died there, and whose spirits stayed around for many centuries afterwards.

After Sadow’s death, his spirit apprenticed a man named Freedon Nadd. Nadd was a jedi, but a prodigy like no other of his time. He was skilled in combat as well as with the force. He wanted power, and Sadow offered it. But Nadd grew in power extremely quickly, and shortly surpassed Sadow’s spirit in power, killing it some time later. He left for his homeworld, Onderon, which he took over and ruled for many, many years, while growing far stronger than before, leaving the world as a strong dark side nexus, no different from Andeddu, whom he learned from after he acquired his holocron. He left a line of rulers- his descendants, each learning from Nadd’s teachings over the years.

At the world of Ambria came a Jedi Master called Thon. Thon had been led there by the force, and decided to rid the planet of its darkness. He was met by the previously mentioned sith spirits, who overwhelmed and almost killed him after many attacks, even though he could easily defend himself from them at first. Thon then came up with a plan to lead the spirits to a lake (dubbed Natth by Thon himself), and as a last resort, he used a wall of light to trap the spirits there. But Thon was no normal Jedi- he was one of the strongest living jedi in the order at the time. If his superior contemporaries, Siosk-Baas and Odan-Urr, were compared to Mace Windu and Yoda respectively, then I should say that Thon is perhaps Qui Gon of the time.

Some hundreds of years later came two very powerful sith lords, Darth Revan and Darth Malak. They were humans, and ex-jedi, not unlike Nadd. The difference is that they far surpassed Nadd in power, and became far bigger threats. Revan was a prodigy among prodigies, with just as much of a gifted mind. Malak was his power hungry apprentice, who could never seem to reach powers that rivaled his master’s, but who was no less far more powerful than someone like Freedon Nadd. (“An imposing figure with ghostly pale features, prominent Sith tattoos, a gleaming red lightsaber, and devastating Dark Side power, Malak struck terror into the hearts of his former allies. He also wore a vocal mask that may have concealed a form of cybernetic life-support. Did it provide him with powers far greater than even Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd, or was cybernetic enhancement too simple an explanation?" Wizards of the Coast: Darth Malak)

Almost 2000 years later appeared a new, powerful lord, who called himself Darth Ruin. He was a prodigious jedi, amongst the best of his time, somewhat like Nadd or Revan, but a wise one, who took his time, and corrupted many jedi to his side, while also gathering many sith clans under his banner, with whom he started the new sith wars. He believed only in himself and his powers, thinking that nothing else but him was real.

At the end of the wars against the Jedi, came the Brotherhood, a very large sith group, with many sith lords, but none too impressive. Their unofficial leader was Skere Kaan, another prodigious jedi, and very powerful sith lord, who was very intelligent, and had an immense talent for battle meditation. It was under his ‘leadership’ that Bane emerged.

Sith knowledge / Holocrons:

This section will be discussing the several Sith holocrons that Bane has and the sheer amount of knowledge he can get from them. This section will be developed in chronological order.

Photo of notable Sith lords who he got holocrons from (Note, this is not everybody, but I added it because it is very badass)

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First of, during his time in the Sith academy, he studied several Sith holocrons:

Darth Bane learned from the Sith Masters on Korriban and the Sith archives.

Bane spent several hours each day studying the ancient records. He found them fascinating. Many of the scrolls were historical records recounting ancient battles or glorifying the deeds of ancient Sith Lords. By itself the information had little practical use, but he could see each individual work for what it actually represented: a tiny piece of a much larger puzzle, a clue to a much greater understanding.

The archives supplemented what he learned from the Masters. It gave context to abstract lessons. Bane felt that, in time, the ancient knowledge would be the key to unlocking his full potential. And so his understanding of the Force slowly took shape.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Darth Bane gleaned the Force knowledge of the Jedi from Githany's tutelage.

"I will train you," Githany said coyly. "I can share with you everything I learned from the Jedi about the Force. And whatever I learn about the dark side from the Masters I can teach to you, as well."

Bane hesitated. Githany was no Master, yet she had trained as a Jedi for many years. She probably knew much about the Force that would be new to him.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Afterwards, he acquired the Sith holocron of Darth Revan (as a major Revan fan, a clarification is in order that this is only DARTH Revan. Please do not link this to Prime Revan)

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later. And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Taken from Darth Bane: POD

Subsection I: DARTH Revan

If you read the Ulic Qel Droma chronological Respect thread, you should know by now what is a subsection. Basically, I create a subsection for anybody Bane scales above.

Several things to note here:

Force knowledge:

Revan as of his DARTH status also contains a wide variety of force knowledge:

(JT) Revan meticulously mastered everything Kreia, Zhar Lestin, Dorak, and other Jedi Masters knew, learning faster than they could teach. At the end of his apprenticeship, Kreia mused he learned everything he possibly could from the Jedi, signifying mastery of the Force forms (i.e. Force affinity, Force mastery, and Force potency), sever Force, and everything within at least the Dantooine and Coruscant academies.

"He came to me, yes. Both before and after, before Revan knew himself. And after, in the times when Revan was coming into his own and learning he was more than he had been told. At one time, Revan was my Padawan. In times past, long ago. But Revan, when he had learned all he could, had other masters: that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each. But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi - except how one could leave them forever."

Source: Kreia, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

"Revan had many Masters, Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars. Towards the end of his training, he sought out many to learn techniques. It is said that he returned to his first Master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the Order."

Source: Michal, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

> "Atris said that the Enclave on Dantooine was one of the great storehouses of Jedi knowledge. Many Jedi came here to study the ancient holocrons and relics."

Source: Daraala, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

(MW) Revan plundered the great tomb-like cities of Malachor V, a planet-size archive of Sith knowledge.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, Darth Revan has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause.

Source: Star Wars Chronicles of the Old Republic

Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan. Kreia took the name Darth Traya, and her followers called themselves the Sith after the long-lost species that had invaded the Republic a millennium before.

Source: Star Wars The Old Republic - Revan

Revan travels to Malachor V and discovers the Trayus Academy, delving deeply into the Sith secrets contained within.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Revan walked the halls of the Trayus Academy, using its knowledge to learn more of the Sith - and the presence of Korriban and other dark side worlds.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2 - The Sith Lords

(UR) Revan studied the ritual of Nathema, the most elaborate Sith ritual in history which drained the life force of eight thousand Sith Lords and the entire planet into Emperor Vitiate, writing a transcript of its procedure. From it, Revan created the thought bomb, another legendary ritual capable of annihilating tens of thousands of Jedi and Sith and trapping their spirits in a sphere of Force energy used in the Jedi Civil War and the Ruusan campaign. At the site of the thought bomb's detonation on Ruusan, the most powerful Force nexus in history was created, capable of granting a user drawing on it absolute omniscience.

Once known as Medriaas, Nathema was an agriworld of the Sith Empire at the time when the Sith also controlled the Chorlian sector. An ancient Dark Lord of the Sith named Darth Vitiate destroyed all life on Nathema with a ritual designed to grant him immortality. A transcription of the ritual was recorded by Darth Revan and served as the inspiration for Lord Kaan's thought bomb on Ruusan.

Source: Star Wars Force and Destiny Core Rulebook

> Eight thousand Sith Lords gathered on Medriaas and agreed to partake in a ritual that would bind the Sith together as an ultimate dark side weapon. The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor.

Source: Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia

> Rather than admit defeat, Kaan released the thought bomb. The wave of dark energy sucked dry almost all of the Force-users on Ruusan, desiccating and destroying their bodies, absorbing their souls into a huge black egg-like construct.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #129

> Jerec at last gained access to the valley, and for one lucid moment, absolute omniscience was his. The will of the Force, Chaos, the ancient civilizations of the Rakata and Xim, what lay beyond the galactic barrier, and the origins of the universe - Jerec understood them all, and endowed with Force powers beyond imagination, he would have ruled accordingly.

Source: Wizards of the Coast - The Dark Forces Saga #6

(UR) Revan explored the Valley of the Dark Lords and drew knowledge from the Sith tombs.

Two Jedi acquired a taste for rebellion during their victories in the Mandalorian Wars. They discovered pre-Republic Rakata artifacts that led them to the Sith tomeworld of Korriban. Despite their lack of connection to the Sith species, they drew knowledge from the Sith tombs and declared themselves to be the new Dark Lords of the Sith: Darth Revan and Darth Malak.

Source: Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force

On Korriban, the Revanchist uncovered the lost secrets of the Sith and became the heir to an ancient and evil legacy.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

After the Mandalorian Wars, Alek and Revan subsume themselves in Korriban and Malachor V's Sith occultism.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

(UR) Revan steeped himself in the teachings of Exar Kun's Brotherhood of the Sith.

While in the Unknown Regions, Revan and Malak steep themselves in the teachings of those Sith who had been defeated in the Great Sith War.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

(UR) Revan created a Sith Holocron that far surpassed the New Sith War era's Korriban Sith Academy's entire archives. Many of the rituals were so dangerous that Darth Bane could hardly comprehend their potential and doubted he would ever dare to use them. One of the lesser rituals merged a group of Sith's minds together to unleash a sweeping inferno capable of ravaging a planet and devastating armies of Jedi.

To Bane, it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible - so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master - that he doubted he would ever dare to use them . . .

And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Source: Star Wars Darth Bane - Path of Destruction

He had discovered the ritual she spoke of while studying Revan's Holocron: a way to unite the minds and spirits of the Sith through a single vessel so their strength could be unleashed upon the physical world.

Source: Star Wars Darth Bane - Path of Destruction

> Darth Bane brought the self-proclaimed Sith Lords together, showing them how to focus their dark-side energy into a lethal blast of power that scoured the surface of Ruusan, leaving vast tracts of land barren and lifeless. Most of the Sith, Jedi and allies on both sides were utterly destroyed, yet still the wave of fire and destruction pushed onwards.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #134

Next, as of UR, Revan already has the ability to mind dominate thousands of Rakatans and force them to speak basic:

(★ UR) Revan dominated over a thousand Rakata, a species biologically resistant to telepathic persuasion, ripping the Rakatan language from the Black and Red Rakata tribes (also known as: drain knowledge or language absorption) and driving Basic into all their minds so that they could speak with him.

"You used your power to rip the Rakata language from my mind, even as you drove Basic into our skulls so we could help you in your quest to find something called the Star Forge."

Source: The One, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

"You used the Force to draw the Rakata language for our minds, even as you planted Basic into our skulls so we could help you in your quest to escape the world."

Source: Elder Council, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> "Driven by portents and omens, we came to this island with a thousand of his finest warriors, and here we stay."

Source: Gjarshi, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> "Over time, we lost our ability to use the Force. Some believe we had used the Force for so long we evolved biologically, and became immune to its effects."

Source: Elder Council, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic

> You learn about your previous visit, how the Rakatans speak the language of Basic, the history of the Elders, and more.

Source: Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - Prima's Official Strategy Guide

> "These creatures have become such an irritation that every time I see one I want to strike it down with my lightsaber. Be that as it may, I interviewed a Toydarian subject who showed a great amount of resistance to Force suggestion, up to the point that I created physical discomfort. I found that they can be easily intimidated by a demonstration of strength. And it proved relatively simple to cause it to expire, merely by making its existence extremely painful. Ultimately, though it showed a great degree of willpower, it was no match for the power of the Force."

Source: Darth Vader, Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith - The Essential Guide to the Force

Scaling above such a person in knowledge and force power is impressive

Note: it is from Darth Revan's holocron that Darth Bane learnt the techniques of the rituals of Nathema, which is the thing he induced into the thought bomb. This is clearly quite an important holocron

Next, came the RoT. During which, he first found the holocron of Freedon Nadd:

For the next four days and nights he lost himself in the secrets of the ancient artifact. As he suspected, it had been created by Freedon Nadd. Bane delved into the Holocron's secrets with the aid of the gatekeeper: a miniature hologrammic projection of the long-dead Sith Master responsible for its creation. The gatekeeper guided and directed his studies, serving as a virtual mentor to those who sought out Nadd's lost secrets inside the sinister pyramid. Though Nadd had been human, his avatar was the image of a man who had succumbed to the physical corruption that sometimes affected those who delved too deeply into the power of the dark side. His skin was pallid, the flesh withered and sunken, and his eyes were glowing yellow orbs devoid of iris or pupil. Despite this, he still appeared as a formidable warrior: broad-shouldered, clad in heavy battle armor and the helm that had doubled as his crown when he had proclaimed himself king over the nearby world of Onderon.

But the orbalisk research was only the beginning. Freedon Nadd had been a Jedi who turned to the dark side as the apprentice of Naga Sadow, the former ruler of the ancient Sith Empire. Sadow's power had been so great, it had allowed him to survive for six centuries, fueled by the energies of the dark side. As his apprentice, Nadd had absorbed all his knowledge and teachings, transferring them into the Holocron before murdering Sadow and taking his place. Not surprisingly, most of the information inside the Holocron was hidden, locked away in the depths of its crystalline structure where it could be accessed only through time, meditation, and careful study. It would take many months, maybe even years, before Bane could lay claim to its greatest secrets.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Subsection II: Freedon Nadd:

Firstly, force knowledge:

He has 100 years worth of knowledge / power:

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He also directly scales above Naga Sadow even before this 100 years worth of power increase:

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The Official Star Wars Factfile 90

Freedon Nadd is also the source of power for King Ommin, and King Ommin managed to dominate the population of Ondereon:

King Ommin rose to power in the same manner as his ancestors of the last three centuries: by dominating the populace of Onderon with the dark side.

Taken from Tales of the Jedi companion

Note: from Freedon Nadd, Bane also found the Orbalisks, but lets not dicuss that just yet.

On the other hand, there are a lot more holocrons that he found:

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Belia Darzu.

His body and will were exhausted; the smart thing would be to rest before attempting to use the Holocron. But he had come too far, and endured too much, to be put off any longer. Still clutching the pedestal for support with both hands, the Sith Master stared at the talisman, focusing his will on bringing it to life. Slowly it began to pulse with a faint inner light of deep, dark violet, and Bane smiled. Soon, all the secrets of Belia Darzu would be his.

Darth Bane: Rule of Two

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Sorzus Syn.

Book of Sith: Chronicle of Sorzus Syn (Sidenotes)
Book of Sith: Chronicle of Sorzus Syn (Sidenotes)

Darth Bane possessed a personal library full of Sith knowledge.

Punching in the digits, he gently pushed the door open and stepped into the building that served as his private library. The interior consisted of a single square room, five meters on each side, lit only by a single soft light hanging from the ceiling. The walls were lined by shelves overflowing with the scrolls, tomes, and manuscripts he had assembled over the years: the teachings of the ancient Sith.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Darth Bane acquired the holocron of Darth Andeddu

He had what he'd come for. It would take many days to traverse the hyperspace routes leading out of the Deep Core, but Bane welcomed the journey. It would give him time to explore the Holocron in greater detail. And if all went as planned, by the time he arrived back home all of Andeddu's secrets would be his.

Andeddu's knowledge was his now; over the past few days his brain had processed the raw information he had stolen to the point of full comprehension. He fully understood the ritual of essence transfer; he had learned the techniques that would allow him to move his consciousness from his own failing body into another.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

Darth Bane's Sith knowledge was greater than all who came before him.

The Official Star Wars Fact File Part 22 (Credit to DarthAnt66)
The Official Star Wars Fact File Part 22 (Credit to DarthAnt66)

Note however, after the LFL policy that forms a clear distinction between Bane era and SWTOR era, this no longer apply to SWTOR Sith. However, Sith such as Lord Kaan will fall under this category.

Misconceptions regarding the RoT:

Now, obviously, Bane is buried under a huge amount of Sith, who has scaling over Bane. However, while the gap between later Sith such as Maul and Bane certainly exist, it is nowhere as big as people thinks.

For one, the force cannot be passed down for generation to generation:

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Source - The book of the Sith, credits to @famousroman

This means that the force of Bane cannot be directly passed down to others. For another, there are multiple setbacks on the way. Darth Gravid for one, is a prime example:

"Gravid was an invention of mine. I needed some way to distance Plagueis from the ancient teachings and powers. The more I thought about Gravid, the more interesting his/her story became. In my mind, at any rate."

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/James_Luceno_Facebook_QA_Recap_143276.asp

Tenebrous died while Plagueis observed.

In Bane’s age a Sith might have had to guard against an attempt at essence transfer by the deceased -- a leap into the consciousness of the Sith who survived -- but those times were long past and of no relevance; not since the teachings had been sabotaged, the technique lost. The last Sith possessed of the knowledge had been inexplicably drawn to the light side and killed, taking the secret process with him...

...

Sadly, he could glean only so much from the texts, crystals, and holocrons stored in the library. Crucial knowledge had been lost during the brief mastery of Darth Gravid, and many of the most important elements of Sith training since had been passed from Masters to apprentices in sessions that had been left unrecorded. More to the point, Darth Tenebrous had had very little to say regarding death.

...

Doubt tugged at the corners of Sidious’s mouth. “The Jedi won’t simply stand by and do nothing, Master. While I have no affection for them, I do respect their power. And weakening the Republic without weakening the Jedi could provide them with justification for attempting a coup. They have the numbers to succeed.”

Plagueis took it under advisement. “Their time is coming, Sidious. The signs are in the air. Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith.

...

Sidious knew that his own powers had increased tenfold over the decades, but he couldn’t be certain he had learned all of Plagueis’s secrets -- "his sorcerer’s ways," as the Sun Guards referred to them -- including the ability to prevent beings from dying. He sometimes wondered: Was he a level behind? Two levels behind? Such questions were precisely what had driven generations of Sith apprentices ultimately to challenge their Masters. The uncertainty about who was the more powerful. The need to test themselves, to face the definitive trial. The temptation to take the mantle by force, to put one’s own spin on the power of the dark side -- as Darth Gravid had attempted, only to set the Sith back countless years...

~ Darth Plagueis (2012)

All credits goes to @lord_tenebrous as I directly copy-pasted this section

So while Sith such as Darth Maul and Count Dooku do scale above Darth Bane, the gap is nowhere as large as people try to depict.

Placement in the Ancient Sith and Brotherhood Sith

Note, for this part, I will only be analyzing placements in ancient Sith, however, scalings regarding individuals such as Thon will not be included in this section.

First of all, we know that Bane is the top Sith in centuries:

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This will place him above several individuals that are important

Darth Ruin: a powerful Sith lord who mentally controlled several Jedi

Darth Rivan: An extremely powerful powerful Sith Lord who used the Dark Staff to create massive Sith storms

Every single Sith in the Brotherhood of Darkness

And most importantly, Lord Kaan:

Subsection III: Lord Kaan

Aside from the above quote, Bane also has quotes directly scaling above Lord Kaan:

Darth Bane grew more powerful after Kaan's attempts to have him killed (Bane's duel with Kas'im on Lehon and Githany poisoning Bane on Ambria), but before arriving on Ruusan.

Rather than have Bane tear the Sith apart, Kaan sent assassins to kill him. Bane only got stronger however.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Darth Bane was far Lord Kaan's superior.

Lord Kaan knew he was no match for Bane, either physically or through the power of the Force.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And Lord Skaan is very impressive:

Lord Kaan could summon the entire Brotherhood of Darkness from across the Galaxy (20,000 Sith Lords in total), with a touch of Force persuasion included, for a notable period of time.

He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. Lord Kaan was calling them all, the entire Brotherhood.

Darkness Shared

Such a telepathic feat has only been replicated by Exar Kun and Darth Krayt for an instant, and most notably, Luke Skywalker for a lengthy period of time with great strain, none of whom held the same Force persuasion element to their galactic range telepathic call:

Exar Kun let out a tremendous shriek that echoed across the galaxy, calling in despair upon Master Vodo, whom he had abandoned.

The New Essential Chronology

Darth Krayt, leader of the One Sith, has been reborn from his near death at the hands of Darth Wyyrlok; he has sent ripples through the Force so that all Sith know he is alive and well.

Legacy: War: Part One

The call had arisen a few hours earlier, in the middle of a StealthX assault that had failed to turn hack the Chiss task force. The summons was coming from the direction of the known galaxy, a sense of beckoning and urgency that was growing more powerful by the hour, calling the Jedi Knights back toward Ossus, demanding they return to the Academy at once.

"We all feel it," Tahiri said. She furrowed her scarred brow, then turned to Tesar and Lowbacca. "At least I think we do."

The Barabel and the Wookiee nodded in agreement. "It iz hard to ignore," Tesar said.

"And we shouldn't try," Jacen replied. "Something bad must be happening for my uncle to summon us all like this. Even Luke Skywalker can't pull on the Force that hard without suffering for it."

...

Luke's entire body felt stiff and sore, his head was aching, and his hands were trembling. He tested his legs and found them a little wobbly.

"I'm fine," he said. His stomach felt as empty as space. "A little hungry, maybe."

"I'll bet." Continuing to hold his arm, Mara turned to leave the meditation pavilion. "Let's get you something to eat ... and some rest."

Luke did not follow her. "I can last another hour." Through the Force, he could feel nearly the entire Jedi order gathered in the lecture hall, waiting to learn why he had summoned them. "We need to do this now."

"Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. "You need to rest."

Dark Nest III: The Swarm War

Kaan was capable of manipulating the minds of the rest of the Brotherhood of Darkness through the Force on a consistent basis.

The two most notable times being when Kaan forced the rest of the Sith Lords' minds out of Bane's ritual

Heat and fire. There was nothing else in Bane's world. It was as if he had become the storm itself: he could see the world before him, swallowed up in red and orange and reduced in seconds to ash and embers by the unchained fury of the dark side.

It was glorious. And then suddenly it was gone.

There was a jarring thump as his body dropped from where it had been hovering five meters above the ground. For several seconds he was completely disoriented, unable to figure out what happened. Then he understood: the connection had been broken.

He rose to his feet slowly, uncertain of his balance. All around him were the forms of the Sith, no longer kneeling in meditation but collapsed or rolling on the ground, their minds reeling from the sudden end to the joining ritual. One by one they also regained their composure and stood, most looking as confused as Bane had been only seconds before.

Then he noticed Lord Kaan standing off to the side, over by the fliers.

"What happened?" Bane demanded angrily. "Why did you stop?"

"Your plan worked," Kaan replied curtly. "The forest is destroyed, the Jedi have fled to open ground. They are exposed, vulnerable. Now we go to finish them off."

Kaan had broken the connection, and somehow he had managed to drag the others out along with him, as if he had some hold over their minds.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And when Kaan persuaded over a thousand Sith Lords at once into performing the Thought Bomb ritual.

He had promised them victory, as he had done so many times before. And, as they had always done in the past, the Brotherhood had followed him once again. Followed him here to this cave, though Githany wasn't sure if it was more accurate to say they had been led-or lured. She had followed him along with everyone else, compelled by the passion of his words and the sheer magnitude of his personality and presence. All thoughts that he might be unstable or unfit to lead them had been forgotten in the heady pilgrimage through the night to the shelter of this cave.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is made more impressive by the fact that these Sith Lords were highly mentally trained.

More than a thousand highly trained minds were focused on a single task.

Dark Forces: Jedi Knight

Both of these manipulations included manipulating Lord Kopecz, and though Kopecz was one of the more difficult members of the Brotherhood for Kaan to control, and though Kopecz eventually broke free from Kaan's control when they entered the caves to perform the thought bomb, the fact that Kaan could exert any degree of control over Kopecz at all speaks volumes, given that Kopecz has a strong enough will to fight with extremely severe injuries (two spears skewered through his abdomen and several arrows piercing the back of his neck.

Jedi vs. Sith
Jedi vs. Sith

Lord Kaan's power hurt unprotected minds in his vicinity.

Power radiated away from the Jedi like heat off a sun-baked rock. - It caused the air to shimmer, sent static through pocket comms, and hurt unprotected minds.

Dark Forces: Jedi Knight

He also scales above members of the Brotherhood

First of, he managed to easily kill Lord Qordis, who is one of the top in the brotherhood:

"And therein lies the problem." Bane lashed out with the dark side, seizing Qordis in an immobilizing, crushing grip. His opponent tried to protect himself, throwing up a field to deflect the incoming assault, but Bane's attack tore through the pitiful defense, wiping it away as if it hadn't even been there.

There was a strangled cry of pain from Qordis as the Force tightened around him and lifted him up from the ground.

"Your wisdom has destroyed our order," Bane explained casually, watching as Qordis struggled helplessly above him. "You have polluted the minds of your followers; you and Kaan have led them down the path of ruin."

"I-I don't understand," Qordis gasped, barely able to speak as the breath was squeezed inexorably from his lungs.

"That has always been the problem," Bane replied. "The Brotherhood must be purged. The Sith must be destroyed and rebuilt. You, Kaan, and all the others must be wiped from the face of the galaxy. That is why I have returned."

Dawning horror spread across Qordis's long, drawn features. "Please he groaned, "not ... like this. Release me. Let me ... draw my lightsaber. Let us fight ... like Sith."

Bane tilted his head to the side. "Surely you know I could kill you just as easily with my lightsaber as I could with the Force."

"I . . . know." Qordis's skin was turning red, and his body was trembling as the pressure mounted. Each word he spoke took tremendous effort, yet somehow the dying man found the strength to make his final plea. "More ... honor ... in ... death ... by ... combat?'

Bane gave an indifferent shrug. "Honor is for the living. Dead is dead."

A final push with his mind tightened the invisible vise. Qordis let out a final scream, but with no air in his lungs it came out only as a rattling gasp that was lost beneath the snapping and crackling of his bones.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

And before moving on, Lord Qordis knows the technique of Force Storm:

Only the top apprentices had been present when Qordis had taught them to use the dark side to corrupt the Force into a deadly storm.

Source: Path of Destruction

He is the top in the Brotherhood:

A pair of figures waited in the center of the slaughter, one human and the other Twi'lek. He recognized them despite the darkness: Qordis and Kopecz, two of the more powerful Sith Lords.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

He also scales above DARTH Revan who is much more powerful than members in the Brotherhood:

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later. And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Why then, is scaling above "fodder" members of the Brotherhood so impressive then? Well, because each one of them can uproot an army:

Each individual Sith Lord, even the lowest of them, was considered more combatively capable than a very large quantity of soldiers.

"We both know the Jedi won't be defeated by soldiers," Kopecz snapped. "I'd gladly trade a thousand of our best troopers for even one Sith Master."

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Each and every disciple at the Academy, from Sirak down to the least and lowest of the students, had the ability to become a Master. Each possessed an extremely rare gift in the dark side-a gift that was meant to be used against the Jedi, not against one another.

In killing Fohargh, Bane had thinned the ranks of potential Sith Masters. He had dealt a serious blow to the war effort. Each apprentice at the Academy was valued more highly than an entire division of Sith troopers.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

A small collection of Sith Masters, Kaan standing at their head, waited to greet the reinforcements as they disembarked. They might have been only fifty in number, but each one of them was a Sith Lord: more powerful than an entire division of soldiers.

Taken from Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is hella impressive

Subsection IV: Darth Andeddu:

First of, in DOE, Darth Bane found the holocron of Darth Andeddu, and took all his powers:

He had what he'd come for. It would take many days to traverse the hyperspace routes leading out of the Deep Core, but Bane welcomed the journey. It would give him time to explore the Holocron in greater detail. And if all went as planned, by the time he arrived back home all of Andeddu's secrets would be his.

Andeddu's knowledge was his now; over the past few days his brain had processed the raw information he had stolen to the point of full comprehension. He fully understood the ritual of essence transfer; he had learned the techniques that would allow him to move his consciousness from his own failing body into another.

Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil

And why is this impressive? Lets ask Famousroman actually. All the below are from him:

To further progress with this blog, I will have to talk about Andeddu, an extremely underrated ancient sith lord. I will start at the start: his fight against Wyyrlok III. It is a telepathic battle, in which Andeddu overestimates himself, and underestimates his opponent, and gets fooled by a trick he himself knows of- believing that the illusion is real. Mind you, this is far more effective here due to the fact that Andeddu is a crazy man, obsessed with his knowledge, enough to fool a group of people to protect his knowledge thousands of years after his death, for no reason whatsoever (Legacy comic, issue 27). He kept stalling Bane’s training for essence transfer, by the way, as a means of trying to buy time so as to not teach Bane said technique.

Onto more important things- his standing in the verse. POD era Bane is very much impressed by Sadow and Nadd’s power that let them live for centuries upon centuries, but doesnt seem to feel the same way about Andeddu, in DOE, who had some of Sadow’s and Muur’s techniques (if not maybe a great part of them) that allowed him to live just as long, and would have lived for much longer, if he had not been killed. The only character who stands above Andeddu as of his time, in lore, is Marka Ragnos, due him being the only confirmed supreme dark lord of Korriban. Naga Sadow, while the dark lord of the sith, and while extremely famous/infamous, has no superiority over Andeddu. Freedon Nadd did have, and learned from, Andeddu’s holocron, but was never stated to have been his superior. Andeddu, no different from Nadd, left his world as a dark side nexus, something that Sadow could not do on Yavin, after living longer than Nadd ever did. Andeddu also considered himself superior to Wyyrlok III and Vong Krayt, but lost against the former in a telepathic battle due to his insanity and obsession. Andeddu may have very well been more powerful than the Exiles as well, due to having been a very dominant sith lord in Korriban possibly just before Sadow and Ragnos’ time, who were in fact more powerful than the exiles due to a very long process of selective breeding that was very much in effect during Andeddu’s time and reign. He left Korriban afterwards, and headed to Prakith, where he devised the techniques and powers that let him live for so long, based on Muur’s own techniques and powers, meaning that he grew there in power as well. Mind you, according to Dooku, Andeddu power is far above that of someone like Sora Bulq or Quinlan Vos. Note, Asajj Ventress is also seen by Darth Sidious to be unfit to be a Sith -

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Considering the fact that the Jedi felt it was necessary to get rid of Andeddu’s entire existence, over many other extremely powerful sith, I find it hard to place Andeddu any lower than Nadd himself, who seems to have similar feats and power showings.

Andeddu is a believer of will, and that the mind is the path to power. Due to this, he places his mind, essence, and spirit on his holocron, which by itself can possess a body (Legacy comic, Issue 27) or mind fuck a weakened Vong Krayt (Legacy comic, Issue 5) or drain a force user’s essence (Legacy comic, Issue 27). I would like to mention that Krayt says that Bane mastered the orbalisks- the one thing Nadd could never do, in 6 centuries of life (Legacy comic, Issue 5).

Now, onto DOE Bane’s connection to Andeddu and his feat. The feat isn't underrated, only Andeddu is. But now that I have shown Andeddu’s more impressive side, I will try to put Bane’s feat into perspective. The feat itself is not complicated at all. Bane is tired of listening to Andeddu’s babbling and stalling, and decides to shove his ‘mind’ into the holocron, imposing his will, and ripping out every single piece of information stored in it, which is done in mere hours. Andeddu is simply powerless to do anything, and probably had his memories ripped out by Bane in the process, if one takes into account the sounds, sights, image, and thoughts that flooded Bane’s brain. ("If you will not give me what I want," he shouted at the gatekeeper, "then I will take it!" Reaching out with the Force, he plunged his awareness into the depths of the pyramid's inner workings as the gatekeeper let loose a howl of impotent rage. Thrusting his consciousness directly into the capstone, Bane let his will invade the small four-sided talisman just as he himself had invaded the stronghold of Andeddu's cult back on Prakith. For a brief instant he could feel the burning inferno of power trapped within threatening to consume his identity. Bane welcomed the pain, feeding on it and transforming it along with all the frustration and anger he had built up over the past four days into a raging, swirling storm of dark side energy. Then, bit by bit, he began to impose order on the chaos, bending it to his will. Using the Force, Bane began to make subtle adjustments to the Holocron's crystal matrix. He began to manipulate the arrangement of the filaments, twisting, turning, and shifting them with subtle, immeasurable adjustments as he worked his way deeper and deeper into the data in pursuit of what he sought. In many ways it was like slicing a secure computer network, only a million times more complex. With each adjustment, the gatekeeper's image flickered and cried out, but Bane was oblivious to the simulation's artificial suffering. For several hours he continued his work, his body perspiring heavily, until he finally found what he sought: the ritual of essence transference; Andeddu's secret of eternal life. With one final push of the Force, he reached out with his mind and seized what he had been searching for. With the aid of the gatekeeper the information would have taken weeks to absorb and learn. Bane, however, had gone right to the source. The knowledge streamed directly from the Holocron into his mind, raw and unfiltered. Thousands of images flooded his consciousness, an explosion of sights, sounds, and thoughts that caused him to drop the Holocron to the floor, breaking the connection.” DOE novel, chapter 12).

Note that Bane did not know that Andeddu was in the holocron. He overpowered it just that badly. It's as if Bane tried to lift a weight that he thought only weighed 50 pounds, but instead weighed 200- and yet, after he lifted it, he never even noticed the difference. Mind you, he learns nothing new aside from essence transfer, and is far beyond Andeddu in knowledge and understanding of the force by this point, which is a crazy good accolade, considering the fact that characters like Nadd, Krayt, Dooku, and Wyyrlok learned from him, while Andeddu himself based his knowledge off of what Karness Muur knew (Legacy comic, Issue 30).

Subsection V: Bane's own opinions

Note: the following section is not solid, but it is the personal opinion of Darth Bane. So do take it with a grain of salt.

Bane by this point has certain views of himself that I will be addressing below:

“Was it possible there was some other essential element in the process that he was missing? Was there one more secret waiting to be unlocked that would finally allow him to create a Holocron so he could pass his wisdom and knowledge on to his successors? Or was the failure in him? Did he simply lack power? Was his command of the dark side somehow less than that of the ancient Sith Lords like Freedon Nadd? It was an uncomfortable line of speculation, but it was one Bane forced himself to consider. He had read the histories of the great Sith Lords; many were filled with feats almost too incredible to be believed. Yet even if these accounts were true, even if some of his predecessors had had the ability to use the dark side to destroy entire worlds or make a sun go nova, Bane still felt that his power measured up to the described abilities of many of those who had successfully created Holocrons of their own. But how much of your power is wasted on the parasites infesting your body? The question sprang unbidden to his mind, posed not in his own voice but that of his apprentice. Zannah had expressed her concerns about the effect the orbalisks might be having on him; it was possible she was right. He had always believed the drawbacks of the orbalisks-the constant pain, the disfiguring appearance-to be offset by the benefits they provided. They healed him, made him physically stronger, and protected him against all manner of weapons. Now he began to question that belief. While it was true that he could channel his power through the creatures for a temporary increase in his abilities, over the long term they might actually be weakening him. They were constantly feeding on the dark side energies that flowed through his veins. Was it possible that, after a decade of infestation, his ability to draw upon the Force had been subtly diminished? It was an idea he would have once dismissed out of hand. But his continued failure with the Holocrons had forced him to reevaluate his symbiotic relationship with the strange crustaceans. He could feel them even now, feeding, drawing on the Force that flowed through his veins.” ROT novel, chapter 15.

^^

His assumption is that he is normally > ancient sith in ROT. He then fails to make a holocron, and thinks “Either I am missing something crucial, OR, as stupid as it sounds, the ancients are above me.” He then thinks of the feats made by the great siths of the past, and thinks that even if the most ridiculous feats did happen, he would still compare to many of the sith who pulled them off and went on to make holocrons as well. Meaning that if there was a great sith of the past who pulled off such a feat and made a holocron, there is a very high possibility that Bane could also pull it off, without an amulet or helping tool. He then starts to consider the effects of the orbalisks on his body when he is not angry, meaning that the state of himself that he compares the ancients with is a weakened one. He then goes on to think of a third possibility- the orbalisks were making him too weak to make a holocron. It is revealed to us ,and Bane later, that there was in fact a missing step.

His first hypothesis/theory was proven right, making the second likely not true, and likely no longer applicable. The third possibility was true though, which inclines me to believe that his doubts are not well founded, and that there is no reason for the past sith to be more powerful than him simply because they could do feats that are normally not possible without help, or without being a god tier of some sort. In fact, Bane ponders more later on the fact that it was the orbalisks’ fault, instead of his ‘lack of power’, that led to his failure in creating his holocron: “Bane still could not discount the theory that the orbalisks were responsible for his failure, bleeding him of the dark side energies he needed to draw on to complete the procedure. There were other considerations, as well. Twice now he had lost himself in a bloodrage, thought and reason replaced by the mindless urge to destroy anything and anyone in range. The first time it happened he had left their camp in ruins: a foolish and pointless waste of resources. The second time had almost been far more costly. Had he succeeded in killing Zannah, he still would have found Helton's datacard on her. But he would also have been forced to find a new apprentice. A decade of training would have been lost, thrown away because of his temporary madness. Zannah had saved herself by explaining the motives behind her actions. She had acted in perfect accordance with her Master's teachings-a fact Bane should have realized on his own. But the orbalisks blinded him to her skilled machinations, and he now understood that the raw power they granted him came at the expense of subtlety and cunning.” ROT novel, chapter 16.

This quote seems quite funny as well, since Bane already scales over a sith sorceress whose ritual went haywire and then razed and turned a whole planet into quite a strong dark side nexus pretty casually, by POD, which is a feat not different at all from “destroying a world”, if one does not it take it as literally obliterating a planet; he also managed to do something by the end of ROT that Nadd never could- fully control, master, and rid himself of the orbalisks and their power. (“Through the gatekeeper, Bane learned of the Dark Master's experiments with the orbalisks, and his only partly successful efforts to control their power. He discovered not only what they were called, but also all the details of their ecology. Some of the information merely confirmed what he already knew: once attached to a host the orbalisks could not be removed. But he also learned that, in addition to boosting a host's physical abilities, it was possible to tap into the parasites' ability to feed on the dark side to greatly increase one's own command of the Force.” ROT novel, chapter 8). Ridding himself of it is the more interesting part, since he actually conjured so much power that the orbalisks died from overeating it. (“Somehow the Jedi's barrier had trapped Bane inside the center of the dark side storm. The electricity had enveloped him, millions of volts arcing through his body, cooking his flesh from the inside and throwing his muscles into an endless series of violent seizures that threatened to rip his body apart. The energy had coursed through the orbalisks embedded in his skin, too. The creatures absorbed the power, hungrily devouring it until they became so engorged that the soft, pliant flesh of their underbellies had begun to swell. Squeezed ever tighter against the unyielding chitin of their own exterior shells, they'd begun to burrow deeper into Bane. He remembered screaming as thousands of tiny teeth started sawing away at subcutaneous tissue, chewing through muscles, tendons, and even bone. But burrowing deeper hadn't stopped the creatures from feasting on the electricity coursing through Bane's frying innards. They'd continued to expand until they had begun to pop, rupturing like overfilled balloons pinched beneath the hard shells. Bane had stayed conscious through the torture of the electricity cooking him alive and the agony of the teeth burrowing into his flesh. But the indescribable pain from the chemicals released by the exploding orbalisks dissolving his body on a cellular level finally caused him to black out... only to wake up here.” ROT novel, chapter 23). ROT Bane’s belief that only the most absurd of feats -making stars/suns go supernova and such things, which were done with tools that hugely amped force users- may be out of his reach (if he believes that most of them are believable, and if he thinks that he is more powerful than they are, than the logical implication is that yes, he can also pull them off as well) is actually quite normal, since no force user has actually pulled off such feats without some sort of help, without being a god tier of sort, or without being Nihilus. IE, Bane is saying that the feats out of his reach are the ones done by Sadow in his meditation sphere, Nihilus and Vitiate’s planet-wide drain, and such things that no other force users could ever normally do. Then again, Bane would never even attempt such a thing in the first place. He is in hiding, and in the Book of Sith, he instructs the future generations to do the same. Bane is very often considered to be an extremely intelligent person, who reveres what the ancients taught and did, and yet thinks that he surpasses them. There is really no need to think that Bane overestimates himself- in fact, it makes more sense that he underestimates himself when compared to his likely overestimation of the ancients. The intent seems to be just as obvious. Bane finds a ‘tool’ that Nadd could not ‘master’, but he masters it. Bane finds a technique that he cannot learn, and thinks that it’s because he is weaker than Nadd, but later he is proven wrong. Bane then rids himself of something that Nadd never could, through pure raw power. It seems so obvious to me, but alright. Moving on to the next part, though.

Other members of the Brotherhood:

1. He scales massively above Githany:

Githany was amazed by Bane’s strength in the force even at his weakest state where he was unable to call upon it.

He was incredibly strong in the Force. Even stronger than she'd first realized. She'd been amazed at the power she'd felt inside him.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Bane was more powerful than Githany had realized before.

He was far stronger in the Force than she had realized.

And Githany is also quite powerful:

Kaan says Githany is remarkable:

At his side Kaan whispered, "Remarkable, isn't she?"

Source: Path of Destruction

Kopecz considers her dangerous:

“I think she's dangerous.”

Source: Path of Destruction

The Dark Side of the Force is strong in Githany:

The dark side is strong in her.

Source: Path of Destruction

The Force was exceptionally strong in her.

Source: Path of Destruction

Even though she'd been with the Sith only a short time, the ways of the dark side came naturally to her.

Source: Path of Destruction

2. Kaox Krul

I will just leave this to his RT:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/kaox-krul-respect-thread/115144/

Combat abilities

This section will be discussing the lightsaber abilities of Bane. This will also be formatted in chronological order

This will have the following sections:

POD:

Lord Kas'im

Tuk'ata

Sirak

RoT:

Jedi striketeam

Zannah

Hetton

DoE:

Analyzing the Rain feat

Zannah again

Lets start with Lord Kas'im then.

Subsection VI: Lord Kas'im

This subsection will be divided into three parts.

A: Their frequent spars during Bane's training

B: Their final duel

C: Analyzing the "loss" of Bane

Lets start then

A: Their spars

Note: This version of Bane is massively pre-prime even in the same book. Also, I would like to say that Bane's growth in the academy is quite immense. He started from being absolutely stomped by Sirak to defeating him while holding back to absolutely destroying Sirak. With that out of the way tho:

Bane is constantly able to use offense on Lord Kas'im:

"Excellent!" Kas'im said as Bane blocked the Dark Lord's flurry and countered with one of his own. He didn't actually score a direct hit, but he did force the Blademaster to take a full step back under the fury of his assault.

Taken from Darth Bane : Path of Destruction

Even better, he was able to defend against Lord Kas'im pretty well while Kas'im constantly uses techniques Bane is unfamiliar in:

Bane blocked a flurry from Kas'im in a sparring match.

"Excellent!" Kas'im said as Bane blocked the Dark Lord's flurry and countered with one of his own.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Bane blocked an unexpected maneuver from Kas'im in a sparring match.

Suddenly the Twi'lek leapt high in the air, spinning and twisting so he could lash down at Bane as he flipped over the top of him. Bane was ready, switching from offense to defense so smoothly it all seemed to be a single action. He parried both blades of Kas'im's weapon even as he ducked out of the way and rolled clear to safety.

He spun to face his foe, only to see that Kas'im had lowered his weapon, signifying the end of the lesson.

"Very good, Bane," the Twi'lek said, giving him a slight bow. "I thought you might be caught off guard by that move, but you were able to anticipate and defend it with near-perfect form."

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Moving on:

B: Their second duel:

Bane basically destroyed Kas'im when he was using a saberstaff

Here is their fight:

He drove Kas'im back with furious slashes, forcing his old mentor into a backpedaling retreat across the floor of the chamber. Kas'im flipped back and out through the door into the hall beyond, but Bane was relentless in his pursuit, leaping forward and coming within a centimeter of landing a crippling blow to the Twilek's leg.

His strike was turned aside at the last second, but he quickly followed it up with another series of powerful thrusts and stabs. The Blademaster continued to give ground, pushed inexorably back by the raging storm of Bane's onslaught. Each time he tried to change tactics or switch forms, Bane anticipated, reacted, and seized the advantage.

The outcome was inevitable. Bane was simply too strong in the Force. Only some unexpected maneuver could save Kas'im, but they had fought too many times in the past for him to surprise Bane now. Over the course of his training Bane had seen every possible sequence, series, move, and trick with the double-bladed lightsaber, and he knew how to counter and nullify them all.

The Blademaster became desperate. Leaping, spinning, ducking, rolling: he was wild and reckless in his retreat, seeking now only to escape with his life. But he didn't know the Temple like Bane did. Bane kept the routes to the outside cut off, slowly herding his opponent into a dead-end hallway.

Recognizing what was happening, Kas'im blew open the heavy door of a side room with the Force and dived inside. Bane knew there was no other exit, and he paused at the threshold of the room to savor his victory.

The Twi'lek stood in the center of the empty chamber, panting heavily, stooped ever so slightly, his head bowed. He looked up when Bane stepped through the doorway. But when his gaze met Bane's, there was no hint of defeat in his eyes.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

This is clearly very serious advantage for Bane

C: Analyzing his "loss"

It is important to note that the real reason why Bane lost to Kas'im is due to Kas'im hiding secrets that Bane is totally unprepared for during their training.

Kas'im sighed. "Then your life ends here." And be leapt in, his weapon moving with far more speed than he had ever shown during their practice sessions.

Parrying the first sequence Bane realized his former Master had always been holding something in reserve . . . just as Bane himself had done in the early stages of his battle against Sirak. Only now was he seeing Kas'im's true ability, and he was barely able to defend himself. Barely, but still able.

His opponent grunted in surprise when Bane warded him off, then stepped back to regroup. He'd come in hard and fast, expecting to end their battle quickly. Now he had to reevaluate his strategy.

"You're better than you were when we last fought," he said, clearly impressed and making no attempt to hide it.

"So are you," Bane responded.

Kas'im lunged in again, and the room was filled with the hiss and hum of lightsabers striking each other half a dozen times in the space of two heartbeats. Bane would have been carved to ribbons had he tried to react to each move individually. Instead he simply called upon the Force, letting it flow through him and guide his hand. He gave himself over to the dark side completely, without reservation. His weapon became an extension of the Force, and he responded to the Twilek's unstoppable attack with an impenetrable defense.

Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Subsection VII: Sirak

Now, compared to

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"Photo of notable Sith lords who he got holocrons from (Note, this is not everybody, but I added it because it is very badass)"

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#37  Edited By Famousroman

@frozen: consistent with what exatcly? lucas does say that its a failure at the end. grey tried pointing out that gean/gravid killed her master, gravid/gean (forgot who was who), but the fact of the matter that he was insane is still a thing. good luck trying to argue his force usage was anywhere close to mediocre at best lol. using the force boils down to mental stability and focus, for both dark and light side users. not only was he in-between the two, he was also unstable and unfocused (he tried fighting her while holding up a force field, while burning down the library).

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@famousroman:

lucas does say that its a failure at the end.

Lucas only states that it was failure in that there was only meant to be two at a time. He has also said that the Sith "hid away and grew more powerful" before coming back.

but the fact of the matter that he was insane is still a thing. good luck trying to argue his force usage was anywhere close to mediocre at best lol.

Insanity isn't a guaranteed buff or nerf to force use. People like Kueller, Irek, Kazdan, Vaylin and Joruus and Depa were amped by it.

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@frozen said:
@darthor said:

I am sincerely sorry for such a long time without updates, but I cannot open by blogs or even post due to the 500 internal server error. I am back and this thread will receive further updating from now on

The error is fixed. Just as a side note, the Rule of Two Banite scaling is incredibly consistent. I don't think that can be "debunked".

There are a few little popcorn quotes here and there, as there are for most every position. That's not really my standard for "incredibly consistent", especially when the far more influential and important novels portray otherwise. I believe I will side with the latter sources.

@darthor said:

First of all, we know that Bane is the top Sith in centuries:

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This will place him above several individuals that are important

Darth Ruin: a powerful Sith lord who mentally controlled several Jedi

Darth Rivan: An extremely powerful powerful Sith Lord who used the Dark Staff to create massive Sith storms

Every single Sith in the Brotherhood of Darkness

And most importantly, Lord Kaan

A minor thing, really, but it's the strongest for centuries, not in centuries. As in, no Sith eclipsed Bane's power for centuries.

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@greysentinel365: ngl, i havent seen the quote in ages. could u post it? i believe u tbh, but id rather have it in hand.

as for insanity making one stronger or weaker, its not my point. the emotions that the user has are still there, but mental stability means fighting like shit, or using the force like shit, or maybe both. would u REALLY try to claim that a a crazed, uncertain about the light or dark side gravid, who was trying his hardest to destroy centuries worth of studies and books, that he himself helped build, would be fighting as well as a gravid who was fully focused on killing gean, while being mentally stable?

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@lord_tenebrous: i think ur right, in regards to the quote. albeit, that quote is likely outdated. DOE overrides that statements due to zannah being his nigh equal. IF it were to stand, it would explain the statement about the ROT sith growing stronger over the last 300 years (from a prequels stand point), and the fact that bane's power was considered and deified.

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@lord_tenebrous: i think ur right, in regards to the quote. albeit, that quote is likely outdated. DOE overrides that statements due to zannah being his nigh equal. IF it were to stand, it would explain the statement about the ROT sith growing stronger over the last 300 years (from a prequels stand point), and the fact that bane's power was considered and deified.

I agree that it's not the most applicable, for the Fact File it's pulled from covers comic Bane, rather than novel Bane. Only the relaunched issues cover the novels, and in those, he receives the "more mastery than any Sith before him" accolades. However, my goal was simply to clarify the meaning of that particular statement: Darth Bane's power remained supreme for centuries onward.

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well, the blog is far from done. believe me, i took my time making it, and this one might be longer due to context and quotes being added by @darthor

his supremacy as a sith lord is gonna be talked about more later on, as a whole, around DOE. the guy is an absolute unit. ill just say that he wields power equal to that the whole sith brotherhood at one point.

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@famousroman: @darthor:

Darth Bane is also declared to be among the greatest Sith in galactic history:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #22, Relaunched

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appreciate it. honestly, the fact that guy is the sith'ari and people still have him at nadd level baffles me. he could literally mind fuck like, 5 nadds, and no diff a duel against tulak hord and exar kun together.

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@uhu123 said:

@darthor: Those setbacks are in knowledge only, each Sith Lord became more powerful than their predecessor, which is confirmed (as per the sources @hellothere5432 so kindly provided). Gravid is no exception, Gean would have had to kill him in single combat before herself growing further into her prime and being killed by her apprentice, and so on. There is simply no way Bane is close to people like Maul or Dooku, he is thirty at least noticeable gaps of power removed from TPM Sidious, who himself was vastly pre-prime. Despite that, I immensely enjoyed both this blog and Bane as a character, he is unfortunately not discussed very much on CV.

the power of the RoT Sith are directly connected to studying all the additional knowledges. That is why they grew, they pass down their knowledge. Gravid lost most of it, so their power logically decreased

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@famousroman: @darthor:

Darth Bane is also declared to be among the greatest Sith in galactic history:

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~ The Official Star Wars Fact Files #22, Relaunched

thank you my friend. Although, I must say greatest is pretty different from the most powerful

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well, the blog is far from done. believe me, i took my time making it, and this one might be longer due to context and quotes being added by @darthor

I haven't even reached the part where you posted the most stuff (growth from RoT to DOE)

his supremacy as a sith lord is gonna be talked about more later on, as a whole, around DOE. the guy is an absolute unit. ill just say that he wields power equal to that the whole sith brotherhood at one point.

Most certainly. He was powerful enough to resist the Thought bomb, while everybody else just got destroyed.

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@darthor:

the power of the RoT Sith are directly connected to studying all the additional knowledges. That is why they grew, they pass down their knowledge. Gravid lost most of it, so their power logically decreased

Knowledge and power aren't the same. The fact remains Gravid's apprentice surpassed him afterwards. And so the line continues with nothing in the power progression truly disrupted. The most you can argue is that the growth rate was blunted. But it's undeniable that it still existed between gens.

The most you can argue is that the Banites lost some techniques. But the idea they lost power holds no water and never has.

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Here's another quote saying the Banite Sith grew stronger:

For a thousand years we continued to follow Bane's Rule of Two, existing in the shadows, biding our time, growing in power, feeding our hatred.

Source: Star Wars Insider 88: Heritage of the Sith