Transformers Bayverse Shockwave is nuke level

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In the Rising Storm comic, it is revealed that Shockwave crashlanding on Earth is what caused the Tunguska event. Tunguska event is minimum 3 megaton, maximum 30 megaton (according to a 2019 paper).

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According to the writer, Tunguska event was apparently in Shockwave's production bio, so it's not something he randomly came up with.

Canonicity of this comic:

TLK only invalidated the 2007 movie prequel comic and the Ghosts of Yesterday novel. The condradiction is that in the comic and novel, Bumblebee arrives on Earth in 2003, while in TLK, he was already on Earth during WW2.

Nothing prevents other comics from being fully canon. In fact, Bumblebee movie Prequel comic implies that Rising Storm is still canon by featuring Shockwave's assistant Astrotrain, who even namedrops Shockwave in the Bee prequel comic. This comic does not fit the Bumblebee movie but it does fit the Bayverse timeline, and Bumblebee movie is a different continuity to the Bayverse to begin with.

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#4 WakeUpSid  Online

Should this be treated as an outlier as we have seen even the most powerful transformers get hurt by tanks and rocket launchers ?

We even saw Devastator get shredded by a rail gun .

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#5  Edited By Starsprime3

@wakeupsid: In the 2007 movie, the explanation given for why TFs can be hurt by such things was that they had a weakness to the high heat (5000 degree according to the movie) of the sabot rounds. During the Scorponok scene, Scorponok was unaffected by maverick missiles and high calibre shells (forgot the name of the shells) which can tank bust AFAIK. Only after the gunship used sabot rounds was he damaged. Then the soldiers decided that the effective weapons are sabot rounds due to the TF metal reacting to high heat.

While preparing for the final battle, Simmons told the soldiers to use 40 mm sabot rounds for the grenade launcher. So, TFs were not getting damaged by normal grenades. Figuera shot a grenade towards Blackout in the beginning, and all it did was make him flinch (there was no armor damage, there was just residual heat from the blast of the grenade itself in the area the grenade hit).

Lennox also told the others to call in the Air Force and tell them to put sabot rounds in their gunships after the Scorponok fight. I don't think F-22s (which is what was used in the final battle) are considered gunships but I suppose Air Force just decided to send in F-22s with sabot rounds, otherwise, what's the point of the Lennox dialogue with the Air Force or the entire Scorponok scene to begin with?

Not to mention, Blackout tanked his own pulse blast exploding in front of his feet, the same blast that was sending tanks flying through the air like toys. Also, a strength feat since he was unmoved.

TFs also do consistently fall from space and we see it happen in almost all the movies. Their comet form is their own body transformed to begin with, it's still a feat for their metal to crashland at mach speeds (Protoforms broke the sound barrier in ROTF). If we believe the ROTF military, they were falling at Mach 50 in the ROTF invasion scene.

Tie-in comics-wise, in the Bumblebee Movie Prequel, Blitzwing also survives an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuke falling on top of him (falling because one of the nuke missile's engines were damaged).

There are two instances of Starscream surviving big explosions. One was when Nemesis (not the ROTF one) exploded completely while he was inside, the other was a bomb exploding in one of Cybertron's cities. The city was volatile due to exposed power cables or something (the city was damaged in an alien invasion).

In the Defiance comic, Megatron crushes an alien tank slightly bigger himself through his sheer rage with his mace. Now, this tank technically was featless but it was made by an alien race capable of space travel and seemingly laser weaponry. I would say it's safe to say that the alien tank is quite a bit more durable than a human tank.

Nemesis explodes with Starscream inside. Nemesis is really big as you can see from the first scan:

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Explosion in the damaged Cybertronian city alien had just invaded. Optimus says that the explosive would bring the city on top of Starscream, Brawl, Crankcase and Barricade, make of that what you will. None of them dies here, as we see then alive in later stories. Although I'll admit, this comic is potentially non-canon since here, Fallen narrates their origin but makes no mention of the Creators from AOE or Quintessa from TLK. Although how the Creators made the TF race is never really explained in either of those movies to begin with, so I'm not sure if this comic really condradicts AOE and TLK. Whatever, here's the scans:

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In ROTF comic Nefarious, an inperfect human made copy of Allspark is said to be capable of wiping out a good chunk of the solar system:

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Optimus later states that this is but a mere shadow of the original Allspark:

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So, if a mere shadow of the real Allspark is at least planet level and likely solar system level, then how durable is Megatron for his body to withstand the real Allspark's energies getting absorbed to him at the end of the first movie? (Sam only absorbed the knowledge.) Granted, I might be wanking with this last one but idk.

So basically, high heat is TFs Kryptonite. One might say, if TFs get damaged by 5000 degrees, then how do they survive a nuke, which is much hotter? AFAIK, Maverick missiles Scorponok tanked actually burns hotter than sabot rounds, not to mention, TF metal of cannon fodder Protoforms is able to withstand extreme reentry friction at Mach 50. The things that get ripped off of Protoforms at reentry scenes in the movies are space debris that are used to disguise themselves as normal meteors according to the 2007 Transformers: Movie Guide book, and you can see that being the case from the Concept Art anyway. So, it's kinda inconsistent but the military used sabot rounds to combat TFs and that's most likely what they're using in the later movies or they upgraded their weapons accordingly.

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#6  Edited By Starsprime3

@wakeupsid: Also, pretty sure that rail gun was more sci-fi and advanced than its real life counterpart. Simmons who was a member of Sector 7 knew about the gun, so it is likely based on Megatron's studies, only this time they had better luck at replicating Cybertronian technology, explaining its sci-finess.

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#8  Edited By Golden_Knight