Top PIS moments in Naruto and Boruto

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#1  Edited By MarPlay

1. Boruto fighting Momoshiki

All of the fight scenes of Boruto with Momoshiki are PIS. The rasengan hitting Momoshikis shoulder should not be taken as a valid feat cause Momoshiki tank far stronger attacks and no solds them. Like Momoshiki tanked a full-powered swing from Adult Sasuke and Momo just smiled and talked and etc etc.

2. Sakura tagging Kaguya

First of all, Kaguya should see Sakura as a statue as in stationary in mid-air since Naruto and Sasuke who are far faster than Sakura are statues in the eyes of Kaguya escaping the attempt sealing. Sakura hitting Kaguya means nothing at all.

3. Naruto and Sasuke vs Shin

Naruto and Sasuke struggled to Shin? If Sasuke or Naruto wanted him dead he should be dead in the first move but they wanted him to be alive since the Duo are shocked at the existence of a person having sharingans. Also, all of the fight scenes relative to Shin should not be taken as a valid feat.

4. Kawaki blocking LS beams of Delta

Kawaki blocking Delta's LS beam is obviously a PIS moment. Kawaki has been struggling from attacks that are slower than that LS beams. Only Naruto shows the consistent dodging of LS attacks.

5. Kinshiki struggled against two Kages

Mind you they are nothing without Sasuke's help so it was all done with Sasuke's help, well actually the help is the two Kages. Sasuke is the one who actually did the all work. They continued their rivalry fight from the start of the movie till the end.

I can only remember 5 at the moment so feel free to add if you remember something else.

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6. Kaguya'is Gravity Dimension Scene

Sakura, Kakashi, Obito should have been crushed and pasted there if Naruto, Sasuke, and Kaguya were struggling there too.

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@rdcdesmond:

can you still add something? I feel like there are still I missed.

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Kage not dying from fused momoshiki's attacks is also PIS.

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#7  Edited By Wanderez

The Shin case they weren't struggling IIRC. The Sakura one I kinda get. But the rest? PIS is being thrown around just like NLF back in the day.

Instead of automatically labeling every single anti-feat as "PIS", the better option is to try and make it work as a story component.

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@marplay: it does mean something as she broke Kaguya's horn and naruto failed. It's a strength feat. Sakura is that strong.

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#9  Edited By RDCDesmond

@wanderez:@olorun:

TWO BIRDS ONE STONE

The shin case was definitely PIS

Sasuke and Naruto are god tier

They should have no problem with people Sakura can one shot on two separate occasions one of which the ladder needed surgery

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Boruto doing anything to Momoshiki is a outlier. Boruto is a low lv ninja at that time in Chunin exams and comparable to Sarada and Mitsuki. He doesn’t get this kid Gohan rage boost and jump from town level to multi continent / moon lv or whatever people have Momoshiki at it’s pure outlier Sasuke could’ve easily broken out of with switching positions with Rinnegan

A stronger Rasengan months later couldn’t knock out Jugo who is weaker than 4th Raikage

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A stronger Rasengan than this above was no selled by Deepa one of the weaker Inner Kara Members who is way weaker than momoshiki

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Boruto later struggles with Cyborg AO

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who is a outer member of Kara proving Boruto is still no match for a Inner when he barely can beat a Outer

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While even base Momoshiki would be a high lv inner member if he were in Kara

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He conquered a world and killed all its inhabitants and ate the chakra fruit before he came to earth which is a planet amount of life energy condensed into a small fruit

And easily bisected his God Tree on that world

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He pressured SPSM Naruto and broke Perfect Susanoo Sasuke Head

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And pressured Naruto into using SPSM with Kurama Avatar against his TBB

Kinshiki struggling with kages is outlier as well and PIS those kages are fodder and like mountain to mountain + theres no way Kinshiki consistent keep up with a moon lv tier then jump back down to mountain lv they were clearly nerfed in momo world

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momo could’ve one shot Darui and gaara With same attack he destroyed perfect Susanoo head with since it should be more durable than Gaara sand

Kinshiki could’ve one shot those kages he goes from scaling to FTL speed from Sasuke to MHS to low Rel against Kages ?

None of those kages can tank attacks from god tiers like SPSM naruto or Rinnegan Sasuke or Consistently keep up with them or pressure them like momo / kin

No Sakura is not god tier

No Shin is not god tier

No no no lol

Even base Naruto is faster than Kawaki so Kawaki reacting to beams faster than SPSM Naruto was moving to save his daughter is PIS

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#10  Edited By OrangeCrush81

Most people accept that anything from Kaguya's introduction on up was just bad writing.

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Someone might find these informative.

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Sasuke escaping from C0 tho

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Just make a point: “All of Boruto”

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@thevivas:

Yes it’s becoming almost like a dc comic with different writers

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Sounds like a cope thread. These aren't outliers, the author intentionally downscaled them. There is a repeating pattern. It's just that the boruto riders are coping hard.

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Why are ppl calling consistency PIS?

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@deyyy: why are people reviving old threads out of cope

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The Boruto ones are not pis. Boruto god tiers are just that weak.

Kaguya's gravity planet is probably the most egregious breaking of logic and consistency, but there's probably more in Shippuden I can't think of right now. I don't they're as bad as the Kaguya one.

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Boruto's tiny rasengan that made a 2 cm hole to a tree trunk hurt Momoshiki

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Too many to count, writer for Boruto is ass.

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@deyyy: why are people reviving old threads out of cope

Lmao Desmond, speak for yourself. If anybody is coping, that’s you.

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The Boruto ones are not pis. Boruto god tiers are just that weak.

Kaguya's gravity planet is probably the most egregious breaking of logic and consistency, but there's probably more in Shippuden I can't think of right now. I don't they're as bad as the Kaguya one.

How does that break consistency? Naruto characters are just that weak. Small country Is literally the cap in this verse. they Would even struggle in just 2x gravity

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@reaperthegrim said:

The Boruto ones are not pis. Boruto god tiers are just that weak.

Kaguya's gravity planet is probably the most egregious breaking of logic and consistency, but there's probably more in Shippuden I can't think of right now. I don't they're as bad as the Kaguya one.

How does that break consistency? Naruto characters are just that weak. Small country Is literally the cap in this verse. they Would even struggle in just 2x gravity

The exact gravity is unknown, so that's not really an issue. It could have been anywhere from 2x gravity to 10,000x gravity, who cares. And even if it was only 20g's, you can just hand wave it away by saying it's the gravities effect on their internal organs that's actually harming them. But I'm not interested in discussing that.

The part that breaks narrative cohesion is Kakashi and Obito being able to move around fairly well, while the three most physically powerful characters in Naruto are rendered immobile.

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#26  Edited By RDCDesmond
@shizzydebater said:
@rdcdesmond said:

@deyyy: why are people reviving old threads out of cope

Lmao Desmond, speak for yourself. If anybody is coping, that’s you.

Says the guy with a trolling pfp going around screaming how he thinks Naruto is trash tier

Trying to be god000 2.0

There were outliers in Shippuden as well as other battle series

> Konohamaru Rasengan GGing a Pain

> Edo Rinnegan Madara getting tagged by the Gokages when he can keep up with KCM2 who is much faster and stronger than kages

> Juubi Obito chakra arms getting broke by KCM2+SM and Edo KCM2 Minato combined Rasengan. Basically full kurama (Naruto + Minato) amped with sage mode (Naruto) is able to pressure a Juubi Jin like Obito. And keep up with him in speed.

> Konoha 11 amped with KCM2 cloak rasengans able to destroy Juubi Obito Tsb Shield

> Juubi Obito Nunoboku Sword

getting broken by Kurama Susanoo fusion sword.

> 6 Gates Rock Lee throwing speed being faster than 8 Gates Gai speed reaction

> Gaara Sand being able to support the speed and movement of 8 Gates Gai

> Kakashi Kamui speed being comparable to 8 Gates Gai as he can open a hole in Juudara TSB shield before 8 Gates Gai can hit Juudara

> Black Zetsu Obito plowing his hand through Juudara chest when the ladder was almost one shot by tired Kakashi and Base Edo Minato

> The fact Sakura was not put under I.T is not because of the fact she would’ve been useful against Kaguya, but because she is a member of team 7 and by default, Kishimoto wanted to end it with the original team 7 working together in the end. Other than that she is only a low-mid tier only strong as characters like KCM1 and EMS Sasuke. She is treated only as a spectator for Kaguya battle till her PIS feat of punching Kaguya in the head when that blow shouldn’t be able to do that when their stats are wildly different

dbz:

> Nappa blast stalemating angry Goku Kamehameha when Nappa is listed as 4,000 and Goku 8,000. A 2 x power gap.

> Gohan headbutt harming and weakening Raditz who was not off guard and has a power lv of 1,500 and Gohan was 1,307.

> Vegeta surviving kamehameha amped with kaio Ken x 4 from Goku even though it should’ve been almost twice as powerful as vegeta durability

> Gohan being able to knock dr gero off of Piccolo when Gero should be stronger than 19, who took blows from a sick SSJ Goku even before the virus started to heavily kick in

> Tien holding back Cell second form

> A Rock hurting MSSJ Goku

> Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha being able to last against Cell Jrs without getting one shot like the previous gaps in power from previous arcs like Dodoria vs Namekians

> Base Goku destruckto disk cleaving through Super Gotenks Buu

> SSJ3 Goku lasting against Gotenks Buu in anime

> SSJ1/2 Goku and Vegeta defeating Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks hypothetical Buu versions inside buu and winning although you can argue gohan and gotenks probably weren’t the same power

> Goku getting harmed by sorbet laser

> BoG Beerus not one shotting BoG ritual SSJ god Goku when he is massively stronger than ToP SSJ god goku

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ALOT of copium

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How you not included these!?

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But on a serious note, a story with too many outliers points to a deeper problem. Whatever that is... I guess you fans will have to figure out.

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Says the guy whose verse gets blitzed by 150 km/h and chases down a ship for 5 days 😴

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If everything is a outlier then nothing is

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#32  Edited By RDCDesmond

@kajin_style:

*The first image is Borushiki stabbing Sasuke in the eye off guard. I can’t remember a time where it was ever stated their eyeballs have super durability

*The second image is obviously for comedic relief like Bulma slapping goku and the ladder being harmed by it

*Sasuke w. a sword can already pierce through Juubi Madara so it just shows Sasuke is strong enough to effect Naruto who was not expecting to be attacked by the force of Sasuke weapon

Theres more legitimacy and consistent scale than actual outliers

> Sasuke vs Kinshiki

> Momo vs 8 Tails

> Naruto and Sasuke vs Momo and Kinshiki at exams

> Naruto and Sasuke vs Fused Momo

> Kuu vs Kurotsuchi

> Team Boruto vs Kuu

> Team Boruto vs Deepa

> Team Boruto vs Cyborg Ao

> Kawaki vs Garou (outer)

> Naruto vs Delta

> Naruto and Sasuke vs Jigen

> Naruto and Sasuke vs Isshiki

> Naruto vs Isshiki

> Borushiki vs Pre Limiters Unlock Code

> Kawashiki vs Pre Limiters Unlock Code

> Kawashiki vs Borushiki

Outliers

> Shin not being one shot by SPSM Naruto or Rinnegan Sasuke when he is comparable to Base Sakura

> Kages fighting Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki when all of them are weaker than 8 tails if we scale off Gaara who shouldn’t be massively above his 4th war self who is kage + lv / city - mountain lv at most

>Himawari obviously knocking out Base Naruto and Full Kurama is due to comedic relief

> Urashiki fighting Base Toneri and Sasuke when he is later killed by Kid Naruto and Boruto

> Base Pre Karma Boruto vanishing Rasengan smacking fused momo in the face and making him stumble when Base pre karma Boruto isn’t even in the same tier as Base Naruto

> Base Kawaki being able to react to Delta beams when he is comparable in speed to Base Boruto, Sarada, and Mitsuki

> Pre Fruit Kaguya defeating Isshiki when pre fruit Kaguya is weaker than Base Momoshiki so even naruto or Sasuke should be able to seriously damage Isshiki if he is off guard which already happened so kagiya must have used a technique that ignores durability in verse like ash killing bone

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lol

perceived outlier

Momo vs gaara

momo vs darui

momo vs shikamaru

momo vs boruto

perceived non outlier

Kinshiki vs naruto

Momoshiki vs naruto and sasuke

Momo vs killer bee

an outlier is information not consistent with the majority of given results

There are more ''outliers'' then non outliers how does that work? Not even saying momo needs to be weak just saying it's not a functional outlier going based on the word actually means

might aswell not even debate about boruto given how much content, you need to ignore in order to scale it as fandom does

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#34  Edited By ManimalMan

@kajin_style: none of these are outliers.

borushiki is consistently depicted as just being that strong and fast since he's over 80% momoshiki

The Himawari thing is mostly just a gag

Sasuke's primary weapon piercing naruto is just common sense. We've seen him tank other bladed weapons before so obviously Sasuke's kusanagi is just that good.

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#35  Edited By Shinobiroar

Kage keeping up with kinshiki ain’t really aint outlier, catching someone off guard ain’t a outlier they were able to contend with him off guard and through hax and boruto naruto characters went through crazy training seein the previous opponents they faced.

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@kajin_style:

Outliers

> Shin not being one shot by SPSM Naruto or Rinnegan Sasuke when he is comparable to Base Sakura

They never really hit him and sasuke casual fireball would've probably killed him if it landed like it did to his clone. Also once sasuke got his chakra back he oneshot shin with a susanoo arrow.

> Kages fighting Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki when all of them are weaker than 8 tails if we scale off Gaara who shouldn’t be massively above his 4th war self who is kage + lv / city - mountain lv at most

Fighting is generous. Base momo never actually fought them, they just chased him around off panel and did no damage. He wasn't cornered until naruto and sasuke got involved.

Kinshiki Was fighting sasuke plus them. The only time we see him fighting a kage head on is when he fodderized chojiro. They did seal him after sasuke's attack but sealing is a form of hax and it didn't really hold.

>Himawari obviously knocking out Base Naruto and Full Kurama is due to comedic relief

> Urashiki fighting Base Toneri and Sasuke when he is later killed by Kid Naruto and Boruto

Yeah urashiki is full of PIS. He had dozens of chances to kill boruto throughout the arc but would randomly stop attacking for the sake of the plot. They also gave kid naruto a weird power up with the projectile rasengan/bijuudamas that don't match up with anything naruto should be able to do at the time.

> Base Pre Karma Boruto vanishing Rasengan smacking fused momo in the face and making him stumble when Base pre karma Boruto isn’t even in the same tier as Base Naruto

Momo actually explained that one later, he said it's too weak to do any really damage but it still stings or something to be surprised by it.

> Base Kawaki being able to react to Delta beams when he is comparable in speed to Base Boruto, Sarada, and Mitsuki

> Pre Fruit Kaguya defeating Isshiki when pre fruit Kaguya is weaker than Base Momoshiki so even naruto or Sasuke should be able to seriously damage Isshiki if he is off guard which already happened so kagiya must have used a technique that ignores durability in verse like ash killing bone.

We don't know nearly enough about kaguya ambushing isshiki to call it an outlier.

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@kajin_style:

*The first image is Borushiki stabbing Sasuke in the eye off guard. I can’t remember a time where it was ever stated their eyeballs have super durability

*The second image is obviously for comedic relief like Bulma slapping goku and the ladder being harmed by it

*Sasuke w. a sword can already pierce through Juubi Madara so it just shows Sasuke is strong enough to effect Naruto who was not expecting to be attacked by the force of Sasuke weapon

I mean superman's eyes have super durability, bullets just bounce right off them. :P

Of course the 2nd image is comic relief, but it is also hilarious to use to trigger some naruto fans.

This is the weird one. That sword has nothing special to it beyond a name. Its only feat is not breaking and that's about it. So it piercing Juubi Madara feels like an outlier in of itself, cause that just doesn't line up with Gai's impressive 8th gate attack, nor how he should be immune to jutsus yet Sasuke hits him with a jutsu?

Or was it the 6path chakra in that jutsu that let him cut Madara? This shit gets confusing. One day I'll rewatch the war arc and take notes. LOL

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Lmao all the cope, Boruto doesn’t scale to shippuden period. Just say Pre Retcon Naruto. Pre Retcon Naruto is still small country which is > Small island Luffy >>>>>>>>>>>> Hill level Ichigo

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@kajin_style: sasuke has so6p chakra which is why he could hurt madara.

The sword thing is just its a good sword, idk people assume sasuke is running around with some dollar store butter knife.

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@reaperthegrim said:

The Boruto ones are not pis. Boruto god tiers are just that weak.

Kaguya's gravity planet is probably the most egregious breaking of logic and consistency, but there's probably more in Shippuden I can't think of right now. I don't they're as bad as the Kaguya one.

How does that break consistency? Naruto characters are just that weak. Small country Is literally the cap in this verse. they Would even struggle in just 2x gravity

wow a naruto fan that isnt a wanker or coping ...amazing . you are a rare specises

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#41  Edited By RDCDesmond

@kajin_style: Swordsmen in manga have a weird scale chain in AP where they don’t demonstrate large scale stuff but their AP is transmitted in the force of their swing. Even with the whole inverse energy stuff. Like 60% of bleach, future trunks, and Suzaku from fairy tail 100 year. Sasuke falls under that lineup category. Its not a outlier It’s because Sasuke reached another tier so the force swing of his weapon also has a higher AP. Similar to Base fatigue Sasuke failing to pierce Itachi Susanoo with the force of his weapon. But later when he is tremendously stronger, can pierce through Juubi Madara who is much stronger than Itachi Susanoo, with same weapon..consistent for Sasuke. He has always been a swordsmen at heart since Shippuden. Kishi is just tapping into those early stages of when Sasuke was a swordsmen.

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@shizzydebater: It scales as much as Mc Donald’s dollar menu and their regular menu

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@kajin_style: Swordsmen in manga have a weird scale chain in AP where they don’t demonstrate large scale stuff but their AP is transmitted in the force of their swing. Even with the whole inverse energy stuff. Like 60% of bleach, future trunks, and Suzaku from fairy tail 100 year. Sasuke falls under that lineup category. Its not a outlier It’s because Sasuke reached another tier so the force swing of his weapon also has a higher AP. Similar to Base fatigue Sasuke failing to pierce Itachi Susanoo with the force of his weapon. But later when he is tremendously stronger, can pierce through Juubi Madara who is much stronger than Itachi Susanoo, with same weapon..consistent for Sasuke. He has always been a swordsmen at heart since Shippuden. Kishi is just tapping into those early stages of when Sasuke was a swordsmen.

I get your line of thinking here. The only thing is I am comparing the 8th gates Gai kick and the hype him 'bending space' did to hurt Madara. Where it was actual bent space or not, or if that contributed or not; I don't know. But all that hype, all that force to do that level of damage to Madara.

Then here comes Sasuke and nonchalantly slices Madara in half. It feels out place. Especially when Sasuke has yet to show us any impressive cutting feats until this very moment. Now sure there is a dozen reasons someone could come up with and that's fine but I am not gonna come up with my own list of reasons and just point to that and be like --

"you're break my immersion!"

That's what bad writing does, knocks you right out of the story and creates these PIS moments.

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#44  Edited By Kajin_Style

@kajin_style: sasuke has so6p chakra which is why he could hurt madara.

The sword thing is just its a good sword, idk people assume sasuke is running around with some dollar store butter knife.

I'd call it a +1 sword from DnD. That's my best comparison.

It is not some dollar store sword, but it isn't Excalibur or the Sword of Omens.

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@kajin_style: its a sword fit for handling characters in his own tier

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@kajin_style: its a sword fit for handling characters in his own tier

ok. +2 sword made out adamantine, Still nothing great about it.

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Kinshiki vs Boruto era Kages

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@coadamol said:
@shizzydebater said:
@reaperthegrim said:

The Boruto ones are not pis. Boruto god tiers are just that weak.

Kaguya's gravity planet is probably the most egregious breaking of logic and consistency, but there's probably more in Shippuden I can't think of right now. I don't they're as bad as the Kaguya one.

How does that break consistency? Naruto characters are just that weak. Small country Is literally the cap in this verse. they Would even struggle in just 2x gravity

wow a naruto fan that isnt a wanker or coping ...amazing . you are a rare specises

I ain’t no Narugay fan