Thought Robot/Cosmic Armor Superman: Respect Thread (UPDATED)

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The Thought Robot is a 4-D Superman woken up in a body of pure thought. He is powered by symmetry, memories, duality, probabilities, and possibilities. A doomsday machine engineered by the Monitors to defend against the ultimate evil. Capable of adapting instantly to counter any future threat. A sentinel-suit designed for a single purpose, to protect all existence against the ultimate enemy. A plot device.

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Feats

  • Lifts a book with an infinite number of pages, the whole of existence in it, all occupying the same space and containing every book possible. In other words, the multiverse is the book and the story within the book. Notably, the book reveals an origin story of Monitor Mind The Over-Void, also known as Primal Monitor/Overmonitor, which:
    • is bigger than universes.
    • Has the entire DC multiverse (52 universes) growing inside it.

Of course, Superman needed the help of Captain Marvel (the strength and stamina of Hercules and Atlas and the

power of Zeus) to accomplish this feat.

Reading order: Right to left
  • When the matter Superman and anti-matter Ultraman collided, an explosion occurred, merging the two opposites into a single consciousness. The single mind awoke within the body of of an enormous suit built by the Monitors.
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  • Superman's will, luckily, was stronger than Ultraman's, and so he would be the dominant mind in their new form. Together, as the very embodiment of the high concept of Superman itself, they battled Mandrakk, for the fate of the entire DC multiverse.
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  • Shows to be bigger than 52 universes.
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  • His mere awakening trembles the whole continuum.
  • Holds Limbo on the tip of his finger.
  • Exists outside of the multiverse.
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  • Stands above the shattered multiverse.
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  • "I'm inside a self-assembling hyper story!". He is referring the Morrison story concept.
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  • "There's nothing left; the inexorable logic of a Living Story drives us to its conclusion." Even though only Superman's story could put an end to Mandrakk, it was essential that Superman used the Miracle Machine (Final Crisis #7) for a happy ending.
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Defeats Dax Novu, a being who:

  • Was multiversal and the greatest threat to the entire DC multiverse.
  • Was feeding on the multiverse, story/plot itself, the very concept of existence.
  • Has the power of 52 universes (as shown in the scan above).
  • Held the multiverse (52 universes) in a tube in his hand.
  • Shatters the tube containing the multiverse, just by his mere arrival (as shown in the scan above).
  • Managed to crawl back from being trapped in the void.
  • Comes from a race of beings who live outside the multiverse and view the DC multiverse as a "Germ".
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Only Superman with the Cosmic Armor was capable of defeating Mandrakk, since he was the only one, throughout the multiverse from beginning to end, to have a better story. He was the true personification of a modern hero and justice.

Keep in mind, the other Mandrakk (Rox Ogama) fed on and drained the The Radiant and Spectre (off panel, but still). Yet, Dax Novu was more powerful than him.

Here is the scan that shows The Radiant and Spectre lying on the ground:

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  • Holds 52 universes in his hand.
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Powers and Abilities

Cosmic Senses

  • He can actually feel the narrative progressing around him.
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  • Can hear the reader's breathing. Can feel the reader grabbing the pages of the comic. (Note: The original comic was in 3-D, so he's actually trying to touch the reader).
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  • Can perceive Limbo from the outside, due to his nature of existing on a higher plane than the rest of the multiverse.
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  • Can hear a single heartbeat of Lois Lane, universes away.
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  • Can perceive the true nature of the Monitors.
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  • Can hear Mandrakk screaming even as he no longer exists to scream.
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Combat Abilities

  • Can withstand eyeblasts from Mandrakk.
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  • His own eyeblasts can blast through Mandrakk.
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  • Strikes Mandrakk with enough force to create a light visible from miles away, and crumble the very universe upon which they stand.
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  • His greatest ability, however, is the fact that he embodies the Superman archetype itself. He's literally as strong as he needs to be, because he's Superman, and he has to save the day.
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It's worth noting that, since the Thought Robot existed in the realm of the Monitors, it's feats were not changed, deleted, or retconned by Flashpoint, and are still technically canon.

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How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

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How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

So then the beyonders > TOAA? But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT. This crap is confusing yo.

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

So then the beyonders > TOAA? But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT. This crap is confusing yo.

No. TOAA is the writer. he could erase the Beyonders with a thought.

-yify

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We have respect threads for non canon characters now

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

So then the beyonders > TOAA? But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT. This crap is confusing yo.

No. TOAA is the writer. he could erase the Beyonders with a thought.

-yify

Okay the TOAA also exists outside the main multiverse too, understood. But still what about my other question:

But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT.

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@the_caped_crusader: Bro that's great. I was trying to do one for my second favorite character, it's exhausting. You did a great job, there's one feat that I disagree I'll PM you.

But man really well done

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

So then the beyonders > TOAA? But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT. This crap is confusing yo.

No. TOAA is the writer. he could erase the Beyonders with a thought.

-yify

Okay the TOAA also exists outside the main multiverse too, understood. But still what about my other question:

But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT.

If we were to include every part of the Marvel/Multiverse it would go:

  1. TOAA (TOAA is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse).
  2. The Beyonders (The Beyonder Pre-Retcon would be the second most powerful based on feats)
  3. The Living Tribunal

-yify

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:
@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Wouldn't the beyonders be directly below TOAA since the LT was stomped by them?

They are not a part of the "main" multiverse. in the "main" multiverse it goes.

TOAA > TLT > Eternity.

-yify

So then the beyonders > TOAA? But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT. This crap is confusing yo.

No. TOAA is the writer. he could erase the Beyonders with a thought.

-yify

Okay the TOAA also exists outside the main multiverse too, understood. But still what about my other question:

But where does that put Thought Robot because his feats and his purpose seem on par with the LT. The only thing that scales him down (from what you stated) is his creation by lesser beings...but a much lesser being (Doom) killed the beings (beyonders) who killed the LT.

If we were to include every part of the Marvel/Multiverse it would go:

  1. TOAA (TOAA is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse).
  2. The Beyonders (The Beyonder Pre-Retcon would be the second most powerful based on feats)
  3. The Living Tribunal

-yify

I get what you're saying but in my mind this is what doesn't make sense:

Thought Robot > Monitors > Doom (not god doom)

Beyonders > LT > Doom (not god doom) > Beyonders?

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@yify said:
@heatforce said:

How is the thought robot not on par with the living tribunal again?

Because The Living Tribunal is directly below TOAA.

Thought Robot made by the Monitors who are well below The Presence.

-yify

Well, with Final Crisis, Morrison was actually trying to rewrite the idea of God into mold of the DCU:

  • Overmonitor=God
  • Monitors=Angels
  • Mandrakk=Lucifer/The Adversary/The Fallen

Thus the Thought Robot should very likely be at least equal to the Living Tribunal in terms of rank.

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#14  Edited By skyroid

@outside_85: Actually you can make a case for mandraxx beating many more guys then just Lt. He eats stories and only story that can stop him is superman (the first and most iconic)

Ps. That's a good analogy. Then CA superman would be Michael

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@precrisisbardock said:

We have respect threads for non canon characters now

Non-canon or not, he's still used in the Battle forums.

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Good respect thread. I think that it needs this for it though.

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read again

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He shouldn't be allowed against some of people we pitch him against

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Well done thread.

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@the_caped_crusader: He wasn't destroyed because of his fight with Mandrakk .

cosmic armour got too close to the overvoid, it couldnt adapt to it and thus couldn't function anymore.

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#26  Edited By RealityWarper

@chimeroid: I changed my mind about a few things concerning Thought Robot.

Speaking with outside_85 was very interesting.

I guess that I focused too much on debunking the meta-fictive material and missed some points.

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One problem with that infinite book he didnt lift it, they failed, this is what happened next after those scans you posted

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#29  Edited By amami

It was confirmed in Convergence that Bleed space holds infinite number of multiverses, and it is some sort of omniverse which encompasses Everything DC has created, will create.

According to Map of NEW 52,Limbo and Sphere of God are bigger than Bleed Space.

So , Isn't Thought robot immensely large?

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#30  Edited By ThEBeStOfTheBeST  Online

Here is some lil debunks regarding some claims of the downplayers claiming that superman using 4D vision to see the Multiverse:

4D vision was only used to experience travelling the bleedstorm between the universes

Again captain adam tells about broadcasting the essence to higher dimensions(monitor sphere) which exceeds beyond 11 spatial dimensions

http://i.imgur.com/MgjEJDX.jpg

Monitor sphere is the highest Dimension in the Multiverse

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/anime-characters-fight/images/5/57/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150123194614&path-prefix=ru

the orrey of worlds alone consists of 52 Multiverses

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Another thing:

Mandrakk was drawing the power from the bleed itself to attack Cosmic Armor Superman until superman rips the bottle of bleed from his chest to save the Multiverse . According to Grant Morrison [The Writer] the universes are nothing more then the bubbles that sprout from the bleed.

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Meaning, Cosmic armor superman actually Adapted to that kind of threats so basically he's Multiversal+ entity.

Regardless the bleed was confirmed to hold Multiverses !!! multiple times specially during the future end story arc

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#31  Edited By MasterKungFu
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Added some information I missed. Credit to KiwiArms from Reddit.

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Thought Robot solos Elder God Demonbane/Die Irae/Tenchi Muyo/Featherine

Thought Robot confirmed in this Thread.

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Awesome thread. It made me understand a lot more.

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Vsbattle battle wiki has him at "presumably low 1 b" and their rating system labels that hyperverse lvl.

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@amami said:

It was confirmed in Convergence that Bleed space holds infinite number of multiverses, and it is some sort of omniverse which encompasses Everything DC has created, will create.

According to Map of NEW 52,Limbo and Sphere of God are bigger than Bleed Space.

So , Isn't Thought robot immensely large?

Interesting

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Nice respect thread. I really enjoyed this story.

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Ridiculous. TR and mandrakk are skyfather level at best. the TR wank is all based on scaling from mandrakk as a multiversal being, except mandrakk is not multiversal and never showed that level of power even once. being higher dimensional means nothing, all gods in DC are higher dimensional, are larger than universes and exist beyond the multiverse. all this crap about mandrakk and TR being plot powered is rubbish and has no place in actual debate.

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@asgardianbrony: of course man. TR is Not that good. Odin can stomp Jim

Lmao

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@asgardianbrony: of course man. TR is Not that good. Odin can stomp Jim

Lmao

show me TR doing a single thing above skyfather level.

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#41  Edited By Costy21

@costy21 said:

@asgardianbrony: of course man. TR is Not that good. Odin can stomp Jim

Lmao

show me TR doing a single thing above skyfather level.

Show me any Skyfather doing a single thing above TR :)

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@lordshepherd123: TR and mandrakk didnt do anything to put them above skyfather level.

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@asgardianbrony: Mention one nigh omnipotent character.. I mean very powerful.

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#49  Edited By KrleAvenger

Some people say they are Multiversal and some say they are Nigh Omnipotent, even tho being at Multiversal level does not mean you are Nigh-Omnipotent. Not even close.

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