Thor vs superman which durability feat is better? Full force of a star vs the nuke!

@rukelnikovftw: Ok, i am getting tired of arguing with MCU fans who simply WANT to have this feat become what it is not. The point of the entire story there was to use the heat of the star to melt Uru. Nothing more, nothing else.

However, people on the Vine who are Thor's fans are suddenly trying to make it up to be a feat of Thor withstanding septillions of tons of force. Which was simply never the intention of the feat.

Dude, you are the one who wants to selectively chop phisycs and decide which apply and which don't, when there's evident no gravity is applied, it should be evident you can't calc the force of the beam.

The feats intent was made cut clear in the movie by Eitri "Take the full force of a star", make of that what you will.

@rukelnikovftw: so, tell me, are we supposed to accept all statements as feats?

Nuke

If they are from a reliable source, and nothing in the story contradicts it, sure.

Anyone who can say the nuke is better with a straight face has no business on debating website tbh.

@chimeroid: its not a statement when they show him doing it on screen.

They say it, but do they really believe it?

I doubt it

In that case we have statements that Superman is stronger than a planet (Batman), can move tectonic plates (newspaper article), and that he is actually FTL as Heat Vision is lightspeed (confirmed by the Handbook). We also have confirmation Diana can react to lightspeed attacks give how she reacted to heat vision. Do you agree with all of those?

The showing only has to do with heat. If there was any force behind that beam we can safely say that it was less force than what Rocket's spaceship can do as Rocket's escape pod anchored by thor was wrecking the surface of the rings, while the beam didn't.

On a good dceu feat note we do actually have a scene where superman's heat vision reflects off of cyborg. About 1 minute into the clip: https://youtu.be/V8NAWrKlsAU

@chimeroid: it stated that he would take the full force of a Star, we then see said Star concentrating into a beam

It's common knowledge (or should be) that, that's massively stronger than a nuke.

I think Bale is the superior actor given his very impressive versatility. However i think the single best performance should go to Benedict in Sherlock Holmes, he was perfect for the role. But in the end Bales versatility wins, he would be good in everything you casted him in.

Is the newspaper a reliable source? Dont think so.

Also the handbook contradicts showings of heat vision not being light speed, since we can see it moving and reacted to.

Batman is the only one I would take as a reliable source that's not contradicted.

pointless thread is pointless ding

I don't see how Thor's feat can be measured to any acceptable degree given what we saw, and it's more than possible "the full force of a star" was a bit hyperbolic anyway.

We see a beam of heat there. The notion that Thor is strong enough to hold down planetary weights is more than idiotic honestly.

Why would you say nes about superman saving people aren't reliable? Especially since it was cut out by someone who knew what they were doing.

Also the handbook contradicts showings of heat vision not being light speed, since we can see it moving and reacted to.

We see Superman and Wonder WOman reacting to it. Batman was aim dodging. Heat vision also acts like light and it has reached space in a single frame. (btw, i don't think WW and Supes are FTL, i am just pointing out how bad it is to use inflated statements to make the feats better than they are)

Superman I think pretty handidly has higher durability. You guys can try and say how hot or powerful that "star" was but i think the best thing would be how hot does the uru metal like material have to be to melt. I think it was around there.

It would be tough to convince me that superman couldn't take any damage that Thor can. Probably without injury

Which, if we go by "statements are feats" logic, would just mean that Cyborg is FTL too.

@lariend: wrong thread Holmes XD

No, because there are many in universe indications of him not being FTL, you could say it is an outlier though, to keep the idea of HV being FTL. However I remember there were many more instances that challenged the idea of LS HV.

@rukelnikovftw: There are also a lot of in-universe indications that Thor is faaaaar below planetary. THere are a lot of issues that challenge the idea of this showing having actual impact force of over several hundred tons. And, we are back to square one. You either take statements as Gospel and Thor is strong enough to hold a star, while Superman, WW, and Cyborg are all FTL and Planetary in tier. Or, you can stay objective, and look at the movies as a whole to analyze each feat fairly.

Thor clearly tanked millions of degrees of heat. Clearly more impressive than what Supes did. However, it just wasn't that much impact force behind it.

@rukelnikovftw:

Review your own logic, if we go by statements, HV is LS, not Superman, not WW, and certainly not Cyborg.

If HV is LS, then anyone who reacted to it is LS too, or at least has LS reaction speed. That includes Superman, WW, Cyborg, and Doomsday.

And for the record, IDK what you think I'm trying to say is, I don't think Thor is as durable as a small star, or has the AP necessary to destroy one. As I said before I don't think applying physics to that feat holds much weight at all, and so we have to go with the statements and the clear intent behind them.

Or, we can go with the actual context of the feat and see that they only used the star for its heat. THus, this feat is one of tanking increidble heat.

@mike_fowler: Goddammit... i can't be asked finding the other thread aswell

Lmao

Thor's feat is a massive outlier, it shouldn't really be used in debates unless ofc you ignore logical consistency and truly believe that Thor can no-sell planetary busting attacks since he took the full force of a Star despite of his previous feats that contradicts the one currently being discussed in this thread.

@thebestofthebest: Thor definitely can't no sell a planet busting attack, but he probably won't die from it.

Let's see what all has KO'd a "fully powered" Thor unconscious....

- Walking through a storm of Reality Stone energy and creating a backlash by striking Malekith with Mjolnir. Malekith was in the process of plunging the entire universe into darkness with the stone.

- Sokovia being destroyed and most of the landmass being vaporized.

- His spaceship being destroyed by the Power Stone which has actually busted planets.

- Being blasted with the "full force of a star", the films words not mine.

.........doesn't seem like much of an outlier to me lol

Before Ragnarok and Infinity War I understood all the "MCU Thor is nerfed", "MCU Thor is weak" comments because he didn't have any big jump off the screen at you type strength feats.

But one thing he's always had is INSANE durability feats. He doesn't always flat out no sell stuff, he's gets hurt, he grunts, he feels pain. All that may be true, however it has always taken extremely powerful things to seriously harm him. Even when he gets stabbed by Loki and impaled by Hela 10 times he just grunts and takes a little time to recover then continues fighting like nothing happened.

His damage soak is bananas, the star forge beam is the only thing that has come close to actually killing him.

Thats not star level. Thats not even planet level.

But it is safe to say it is obviously better than the nuke.

I don't understand, if the surface of that star is at most 1 million degrees and the heat of a nuke is upwards of 50 million degrees, how is the star feat better?

@theycallmebt: K

@thebestofthebest: Stfu.

Is the Widdle Baby gonna cry? Oh.. poor little thing.

@thebestofthebest: I'll make u cry in bed.

Oh the salty Widdle Baby is still crying. Worry not little one, I'll buy your mom some diapers, hopefully then you'll stop crying.

A very reliable source/character in the damn movie says - "full force of a star". superman fanboys respond - "no, every statement should be questioned".

I don't know, they(MCU) are probably lying so Thor can beat superman in this durability contest. Damn, that conspiracy, they should read the vine, I got no other reasonable explanation.

A nuke vs a star

Hmmm

I mean that's the first thing that pops up in my mind, what does everyone else think lol

@thebestofthebest: I don't high ball anyone, I just say what happened bro.

I even have an entire thread about Thor not being a planet buster.

@theycallmebt: Alright, I believe you bro.

@chimeroid: 1- in context 'stronger than a planet' means he cant be destroyed by a mother box's terraforming. It can grow crystals that break rock so it can eventually end a planet but can it break a material stronger than steel ? No.

2- news papers exaggerate. Earthquakes are not caused by an entire plate shifting but parts of it.

3- its light speed not ftl

@DammeFavour: "I don't understand lightning is 50000K and sun is 6000K how is walking on the sun more impressive than surviving a lightning bolt ?" Humans cans jurvive getting hit by lightning but not standing on the sun or lava. The difference is duration. A nuke relases 10^15j because its temperature drops in 0.0000001 seconds. A star releases 10^25j/s. You take much higher levels of heat by standing near a star since its not just an instantaneous burst but continuous.

How is this even debatable? The star feat obviously

TIL nukes are star level.

OMEGALUL.

Superman used Doomsday as a bulletproof vest, so, I'm sure the nuke would have destroyed him if it hit him directly. The star feat is better

Regarding the newspaper, it stated that supes shifed a tectonic plate and prevented a devastating earthquake. Not that supes stopped an earthquake by shifting a plate.

That means nothing in the context of being at the center of a nuke.