Thor in EG is Thor from IW . What changes ?

Let's say that due to time shenanigans , Thor in EG is now fit and in prime condition. He is the same beast when he arrived in Wakanda .

What changes , and can he fo better than Cap did against Thanos ?

Thanos still stomps him. Thor's lightning is a non factor

Nothing changes. Thor's physical capabilities were not an issue, it was more of a mental problem. His self-guilt caused him to be depressed and in poor state of mind, but he pretty much regained his confidence after talking with Frigga. In the end battle he was properly motivated.

The difference wasn't Thor, but it was Thanos. His sword and armor allowed him to survive, and most important change was his mentality.

Possibly could've ended up killing Thanos but we will never know, definitely would've performed better

He would do much better than Cap. Cap still hasn't shown the feats of Phase 1 Thor.

He might have still lost but with both weapons he would faired much better than Cap. Probably would have hit Thanos more times and done more damage. In Raganarok, Thor took 20 punches from Hulk to the face and didn't even bleed, in EG Thanos hit him 6 times in the face and he was bloody.

Still the same guy, both got stomped by Thanos, now we know how it happened

He would have soloed a bunch of leviathans while fodders vaporize themselves from coming close to his lightning cloak. He would have a way better showing against Thanos too but probably still lose. Oh and he wouldn't get knocked around ao easily given his high durability before EG.

Thanos gets solo'd

He wouldn’t have beaten Thanos but he would have put up a much better fight as he was in better physical and mental condition.

He also would have destroyed some of the ships and done more on the battlefield.

Thor more than likely would solo him with both weapons. With just one he was powerful enough to hit him. Although it was an ambush he still had all six stones.

Mcu Thor is one of the most overrated characters in all of fiction

My views may change after more viewings, but I feel prime Thor would have beaten Thanos, or at least done much, much better. Thor may have regained his confidence after talking with his mother, but no amount of confidence can overcome five years of no exercise, poor diet, alcoholism, and consequently much worse physical condition. Thor may have been considerably nerfed in Endgame, but it was completely understandable for his character and made sense, and fleshed out his character even more. Good characters matter much more than strong characters.

Thor would of performed loads better.

You’d have to be seriously lying to yourself to say that Thor in EG showed anywhere close to his power levels in IW. That was kind of the point.

He would have put up a better fight and caused more damage on the battle field but he still would have lost to Thanos.

Maybe if he would have been by a bloodlusted Scarlet Witch, they could have teamed up together and finished off Thanos.

+1. He got stomped at the beginning of Infinity War. People forget that.

This Thor = That Thor. He's trained for thousands of years. 5 years is nothing for him.

Thanos would’ve lost before the army arrived.

At best: Thor solo Thanos, at worst: put up a good fight and we don't need captain marvel

People are forgetting base Thanos already beat Thor in the IW opening.

Well he did workout or practice fighting for 5 years. That would do a lot to anyone. On top of that, he gained a lot of fat which probably limited his mobility.

I'd say IW Thor would have faired much better against Thanos.

@rudebomberboy01: I don't think anyone is forgetting that, but I do t think Thor can summon as much lighting and conjure it into magic as well as he can on a planet with a atmosphere. He also didn't have a hammer or axe in the opening of IW, and he didn't go full God mode with his eyes full of electricity which had been shown to amp him to be stronger than the Hulk.

It's not that people forgot... It's just a totally different circumstance.

He definitely would have made another amazing entry and would have done better than cap

Thor still loses in seconds. Thanos is unbeatable unless you are someone empowered by a stone. Even Quick Silver with a vibranium or Uru weapon could beat Thanos as easily as Captain Marvel and his sister.

Would have used his powerset better but still would have lost 1v1 to Thanos.

Assuming he's not drunk and has his IW Bloodthirsty mindset, he should solo Thanos before he gets the IG.

Thor from Endgame:

• Wasn't weaker in energy powers. His energy powers come from his powers not from training. He cannot exercise to make bigger and stronger lightning bolts. And the size of lightning bolts don't always determine the power behind it. For instance, the Jotunheim bolt. He made as big or bigger bolts than he did in IW anyways.
• Wasn't weaker in lifting strength. He doesn't lose muscle from bad nutrition (he doesn't need food anyways), and he doesn't need to lift weights to maintain those muscles. So he still packed those muscles behind the layer of fat.
• Wasn't weaker in weapons (Stormbreaker doesn't drink)
• Wasn't weaker in striking strength: It comes from his physicals, lightning and weapons' inherent ability, none of which were weaker than before.
• Wasn't weaker in speed: A masssively superhuman character who can carry thousands of tons would get slower due to a bit of fat? Okay. Thor probably wears armor heavier than the fat he gained.
• Wasn't weaker in durability. It doesn't even make sense.
• WAS weaker in morale, willpower and confidence. He was depressed for 70% of the film - was a broken man, until she got to talk to his mother Frigga. She gave him his confidence, morale and will back. She gave him the motivation he needed.
  So, wasn't weaker in morale, willpower and confidence during the final fight. Otherwise the best scene with Thor in this film doesn't even make sense.
• Wasn't weaker in healing capabilities. He actually gets one of the best healing feats of the entire MCU characters when he returns to battlefied a few minutes after Thanos forced stormbreaker several inches in him. (Although armor might have helped but still)

That leaves combat skill/fighting technique. He maybe might have been a little rusty, or maybe not (he's 1500+ years old, 5 years aren't much). But honestly, Thor doesn't fight everyone properly. Look at Kurse, Ultron, Phase 1 Hulk compared to The Destroyer, Malekith, Mini Surtut etc. And his fight against Thanos much resembled the latter fights rather than the former. He actually fought better than he did against anyone except maybe hela. So it is safe to say that the 5 years of nonfighting didn't really affect him that much.

But wait, now that leaves us with some questions:

• Why didn't Thor simply solo stomp Thanos like he did in the beginning of the film? Or like Infinity War?

Because he cannot. Thanos showed the ability to wield Stormbreaker, and he has proven to be stronger than a character who is stronger than Thor (Hulk). Thor killed Thanos easily in the beginning because he was very weakened and because Carol and Hulkbuster restrained him and because Thanos didn't care since he did his job. He caught Thanos off guard in IW as stated by Russos.

In the final battle, Thanos had a thick armor on, which allowed him to survive hits, a vibranium cutting sword to block, and this time he was actually fighting back. Plus his superior skill to Thor.

• Thor didn't use the lightning bolt he used on Hela so he must be weaker?

Which he has never done except once against Hela, and once in sokovia (after a long charge) in 7 films. He did use lightning multiple times though, and even channelled lightning through Tony Stark amping him.

Anyways there's no reason to believe the lightning bolts thrown from stormbreaker would be weaker than his strongest uncharged bolts.

• Cap outperformed Thor with Mjolnir and shield when Thor had Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. So Thor must be weaker?

No again.

Cap is vastly more skilled than Thor is. He might be the most skilled character in the MCU. I believe that the skill order goes Thor<Thanos<Cap. And there is no reason to believe Cap would be any inferior to Thor except the weapon (stormbreaker>Mjolnir) due to the enchantment. And most of the time, Thor was only using stormbreaker. While Cap was using both his shield and Mjolnir in perfect sync. So it would make sense that he would outperform Thor against Thanos.

And in the end, Thanos still defeats Cap by overpowering him and cutting his shield apart.

• Thor didn't have badass cool moments like he did in Infinity War so he must be weaker?

Okay, this movie isn't about giving Thor badass cool moments.

It looks like Russos simply aren't that good at making high tier battles look badass. Or they don't care since all characters have an already established power level.

And finally, what badass moments he was supposed to have? He killed several thousand outriders and blew up their ships in the IW, taking several precious minutes to do it. He started doing it when Thanos wasn't even close to arriving in Wakanda, and cleared the field. But here, situation was different. He was the one taking on Thanos. Either sacrifice stormbreaker (and his focus) to kill fodder or try to have a legitimate shot at taking down their king (after which cleaning fodder will be a matter of time only). Remember he was the only legitimate high tier there with banner injured, CM not anywhere near the discussion and Steve Thorgers not even conceived by anyone.

Honestly having a prolonged battle with Thanos is better than any OOOOH moments like Carol destroying that ship. It is Thor trying to redeem himself.

(okay, that was long. Wasted quite a time on it, let the further questions come)

For the record, I didn't like what they did with Thor but I don't dislike it either. It kinda makes sense.

@apex_pretador: Though I may not agree on some points, I applaud you for the effort, good post.

@apex_pretador:

I didn’t mind Thor losing, at all. It is Thanos we are talking about here. But I would have much preferred Thor having a prolonged battle with Thanos instead of just a few seconds. Thanos and Thor have a unique relationship in that it is personal. Thanos killed Loki and Heimdall right in front of him. And then Thor had that moment with Stormbreaker.

Like I said in a previous post on another thread, Thor’s arc will continue. Endgame wasn’t supposed to be Thor stealing the show. It was all Tony and Cap. Carol had her moments because the MCU is now pushing for the SJW’s.

@apex_pretador: Nice post and I agree with you.

He could probably kill Thanos

@apex_pretador:

Sometimes some of you guys want that one thing to be true some much that the feedback is the inability to understand the narrative from PG13 movies...

And its really simple Thor was weaker physiologically and physically because he was dealing (and still is) with some kind of Posttraumatic stress disorder, and he may have started a journey to leave that state after the conversation with Frigga, but that journey is only in the beginning and that is why instead of stay with his people he abandon them again, he is obviously still looking for redemption...

If the creative team of Endgame was not saying that fat/depressed Thor was a weaker Thor he could still get fit by the final battle, but he stays fat inclusively in his very last scene in the Guardians ship, so like i said its the beginning of the Journey...

And here is not really a question of liking or not (i disliked how the all arc was executed, he was pathetic and have a issue with him not assuming his king duties) its a question of understand the plot, unfortunately unlike Cap and Tony Thor arc in the Mcu didn't end in Endgame, the movie was obviously setting future appearances of Thor that to me feel forced...