Thor always held back against Hulk?

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Ye or no?

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Obviously

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I thought this was common knowledge

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seems overly convoluted

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@karkus: Maybe all of it got retconned?

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nay, there’s so much that contradicts bill’s statement. Hell thor in the beginning of there fight was ready to kill hulk

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@karkus said:
@deusexmachlna said:

@karkus: Maybe all of it got retconned?

No, Bill's just an unreliable narrator.

It's the most secure reason for now.

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I thought this was common knowledge

Thor has said on panel he would kill Hulk and he doesn't care if banner dies

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He’s on panel tried to kill Hulk multiple times, some of which he was completely out of control himself. At the end of the day Bill has no in universe reason for knowing the ins and outs of their fights.

I think a bigger point is that Thor does generally hold back his rage allot and has been doing so for centuries. So when you give him the power of Hulk which lets all of that anger out, it makes him pretty damn powerful.

Saying that, the ending sucked. Thor came off as better but no one really won definitively like we were promised. Specially when their powers were swapped and Banner never really intended to beat Thor by putting him down.

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@thedailybagel:

WBH > Green Scar > Onslaught unleashed Hulk > Savage Hulk = Starship Hulk > Devil Hulk

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This might be the worst asspull/retcon in a comic to date. Cates needs to be fired because he clearly has no respect for pre-established canon. Yes Thor was definitely holding back all those times he fought hulk, even when he was in warrior madness and literally could just say “I’m gonna kill you”, or that time he said he didn’t care if banner died

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As I said before this is going to get retconned with in a year.

This is just classic writer jerking off their fav.

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Hulk fans punching the air rn lol

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The cope lol.

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#18  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@karkus said:

Same as the last thread on this, no. BRB's never ever been to a Hulk VS Thor fight, his word is hardly a credible source, not compared to narration stating in the recap of each issue of this event that it's an all-out brawl between the two.

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Even in Thor's first fight with Hulk it was established that Thor couldn't afford to hold back and that he was hitting Hulk with his greatest blows In later fights, Thor had turned as Savage as Hulk and lusted for victory and pride, leading him to overlook the lives of innocents, or was using every power at his disposal and still could barely hold his own and was being pushed to his limits.

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@deusexmachlna said:

@karkus: Maybe all of it got retconned?

No, Bill's just an unreliable narrator.

Cope!

As Bill is narrating, Thor literally rips Hulk's arm off. Thor's rage is clearly leaps and bounds beyond Hulk's - get over it.

In the first fight you mention he says that because without respite or quarter given, Thor overpowers the Hulk immediately before your crop - and immediately after your crop, Hulk flees after being toppled by rocks caused by Thor exerting too much force on their battleground. Then Hulk sneaks up on Thor and with Namor's help, still fails to overcome him. That whole fight is defined by Thor being humble and noble, giving up Mjolnir so he can fight Hulk fairly in hand to hand combat. BRB is right!

In the second fight you mention Hulk threatens to kill an innocent woman to stop Thor from using Mjolnir, and runs away when Mjolnir returns to Thor's hand, confirming he's scared of the God of Thunder.

In the third fight you mention he actually beats the Hulk twice, once by BFR and once by knockout

I've caught you trying to use Death of the Author on Cates's twitter statements that went against your Hulk > Thor meta right before Banner of War came out (saying Thor not being of Earth, posting MCU Thor's "Is He Tho" reaction to one of your people saying Hulk is stronger than Thor) and I've also caught you using scans of Hulk being said the strongest one on Earth quite expeditiously,

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and now you're using scans from almost 80 years ago to try and say BRB is an unreliable narrator. But we all know you love using unreliable narrators as long as they support Hulk! You yourself told me this evidence was bullshit!

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#20  Edited By Underfire47

Not only is this contradicted by half a dozen times where Thor literally states the opposite by trying to kill the Hulk, there is nothing saying Hulk doesn't hold back either, in fact in this specific fight he was holding back since he only goes to level 8 of anger while he has level 9 and 10 more to go. Also Cates doesn't have the power to undo what other writers did in the past unfortunately, if a writer had Thor go all out, you can't really retcon that not being true. Especially since Cates himself doesn't even know all the fights, he is completely unaware of the most famous Hulk vs Thor fight that happened in Thor 385 that was written by Stan Lee, even though he was preparing to write a Hulk vs Thor showdown at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mctJC7BENY&t=1805s

skip to 30min

On top of that, you still can't hold back your durability, so Thor can "hold back" all he wants, he is still gonna get his skull cracked if he doesn't take the fight serious.

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This isn't even going into the fact that Thor had the OF in Banner of War while fighting Savage Hulk lol.

The cope lol.

Is it bigger or smaller than the cope of Thor fans regarding Thor having the OF and not being able to beat Hulk with it?
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@underfire47: lmao, I wonder how Thor fans feel knowing OF Thor needed a gamma boost and hulk rage powers from a titan possession to beat a banner- controlled rage limited Hulk? It was pretty clear OF Thor would’ve been manhandled if banner hadn’t stepped in

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Depend of the writers

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@takenstew22 Thor holds back his raw power, but he also holds back his exotic power. Cates addressed both of these in the last issue of Banner of War, and I've outlined almost every instance of how Thor holds back in the latter department.

Respect Thor (616, Marvel) - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)

Does that also mean Hulk with Mljonir also held back his exotic powers? Because he did nothing other than use Mljonir as a regular hammer, until the very end when Odin took over his body and drained Thor of gamma.

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@termiteone4ever You have been saying this about Thor for a while now in fight against Hulk.

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Hulksters are making more compelling argument here ngl

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@karkus: Outside of all the examples you've given already, there's also Immortal Hulk #47 where Thor was obviously going for the kill on Hulk (and had no reason not to, because the Avengers all thought he could just revive himself and had already 'killed' him in the same series). This time because Hulk's anger was seemingly infecting everyone and making them rage out...

Dude is literally acting like Hulk is the worst thing since Hitler here
Dude is literally acting like Hulk is the worst thing since Hitler here

Same thing happened in issue #49 as well where they all just started beating on Joe for no reason.

Also, Savage Hulk did way better than Worthy Hulk/Banner did...

This was a result of Hulk punting him away
This was a result of Hulk punting him away

Banner didn't ask Odin to help because he needed a power boost, he just couldn't risk fighting Thor straight up because it would bring Titan out.

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@tensor said:

@termiteone4ever You have been saying this about Thor for a while now in fight against Hulk.

This is nothing new. I have read both Hulk and Thor for years. Marvel already made up their mind with current showings and past.

No need to argue.

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Bruh the whole gang is here lol.

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People don’t know what a retcon is. The real Thor has never fought Hulk, this is now canon.

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Not only is this not a retcon because literally in this same series it’s said multiple times Thor’s going all out and Thor tries to kill Hulk, but by the same stroke of logic Hulk holds back too considering banner says that since hulk isn’t in a simulation he’s not gonna hold back anymore and is going to kill thor and stark. BRB is obviously an unreliable narrator, and any of the various thor vs hulk fights where thor is either insane or very very explicitly says he will kill hulk including this one very clearly paint this statement as ridiculous.

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It isn’t so far fetched. Wasn’t Thor created basically to check the Hulk? Didn’t Stan Lee said “what could be more powerful than a Hulk? How about a God”.

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facts and Hulk fans/debaters are full on coping.

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It could be a retcon, or it could be Bill being an unreliable source.

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Hulk Fans crying blood right now

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Some claims here are just...

B R Bill unreliable source?

Really? If was intention of the writer make that statement, who better than Bill? See Thor has this bigger than life heart where you can actually debate who is his best friend, is it Steve, Hercules, Balder or Volstagg? But yeah its probably Bill, and the defining factor for that result, is the fact that only Bill knows and understands what is like to carry every day a power similar to Thor, Bill knows better than any other mortal about Thor/Asgard...

Thor had and used the Odin-Force in this battle?

Really? Its currently an ongoing plot point, where we can actually speculate that power was transferred to the Hammer/Odin, but even if wasn't, when Cates hulked Thor his intention was clearly prevent that in the battle escalation, there was no speculation of why Thor didn't recurred to the mentioned power, you (obviously) all know that even Odin, sometimes could not access to the Odin-Force, so hulked Thor had 0% chance of getting access to that power. (If don't really know much about the Odin-force you can read the AMAZING Michael Avon Oeming end of Thor vol 2).

Hulk also holds back?

Well obviously there will be inconsistencies canon wise, but if the character is based on Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, something must failed on its development, if that is actually the case, plus there are moments where it is stated that Hulk never holds back , written by some random writer that didn't define hulk in any moment, Greg Pak.

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No.

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