I hate the speed argument because its overused and its a easy go to answer.Heck DC fanboys are obsessed with it.
The Speed Argument
@arkbound: I agree. Although it's basically what we all talk about really.
By speed argument, are you referring to arguments that focus mostly on speed and the reasons it decides a debate? Because if so, then it's just a factor in a fight like anything else.
Also:
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
As well as this, why do you think it's overused and why is it an easy answer? When someone says 'speed blitz' I can completely understand why you'd feel frustrated, but it cannot be denied that often it is a legitimate point; the same as saying that Superman would punch through Batman's head in a morals off fight- it's boring and anticlimactic, and with circumstances leaning in a certain direction things may be altered, but chances are it is going to happen.
By speed argument, are you referring to arguments that focus mostly on speed and the reasons it decides a debate? Because if so, then it's just a factor in a fight like anything else.
Also:
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
As well as this, why do you think it's overused and why is it an easy answer? When someone says 'speed blitz' I can completely understand why you'd feel frustrated, but it cannot be denied that often it is a legitimate point; the same as saying that Superman would punch through Batman's head in a morals off fight- it's boring and anticlimactic, and with circumstances leaning in a certain direction things may be altered, but chances are it is going to happen.
I think, often, the reason people don't like the "speed argument" is because it's actually legitimate, not because it's "lame". If Flash or Zoom or Silver Surfer or whoever goes full speed at someone, that "someone" isn't going to hit them if they have less speed. I know these guys get tagged in comics often because..you know..comics, but in real life if someone could move at that speed, they aren't gong to be beat in a fight by someone that couldn't touch them. It's so simple that it is boring and leaves little room for discussion.
Super speed is just the best power.
no
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
chances are his fav character doesn't stand a chance against DC speedsters lol.
Saying you don't like it isn't a counter-argument, it's the same as when people say "X is overrated so Y wins." That isn't an argument either
Speed kills. A boxer can be twice as strong and just as good a boxer as his opponent is, but what good will that do him when he can't land a hit?
i have no problem with speed itself it's the additional crap i hate. like barry, wally etc being able to HIT people at FTL with no damage to them, but when they are tagged they knocked over and sent flying, they have no durability when getting hit but apparently are completely invulnerable when hitting someone, its retarded. or throwing lighting, speed steel, phasing etc creating powers at will and amping speed when they want to improve character, it's ludicrous.
I'm sorry Wally blitzes your favorite character.
You dont even know my favorite character. Plenty of people have survived wally speedblitz.
I'm sorry Wally blitzes your favorite character.
You dont even know my favorite character. Plenty of people have survived wally speedblitz.
Cause Wally allows them to.
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
chances are his fav character doesn't stand a chance against DC speedsters lol.
Chances are that is your opinion.
I'm sorry Wally blitzes your favorite character.
You dont even know my favorite character. Plenty of people have survived wally speedblitz.
Cause Wally allows them to.
Sure so wally can speed blitz zeus right zeus isnt faster than flash.Ignore all of his feats wally speed blitzes zeus odin thanos and dont forget the LT. They dont have tons of speed feats so wally beats them right?
I'm sorry Wally blitzes your favorite character.
You dont even know my favorite character. Plenty of people have survived wally speedblitz.
Cause Wally allows them to.
Sure so wally can speed blitz zeus right zeus isnt faster than flash.
I mean. . . he's not.
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
chances are his fav character doesn't stand a chance against DC speedsters lol.
Chances are that is your opinion.
Chances are that your own fanboyism for DBZ makes your throwing shade at other fanbases a pot meets kettle moment,
Lmao way to throw shade at a fanbase and generalize them to boot.
chances are his fav character doesn't stand a chance against DC speedsters lol.
Chances are that is your opinion.
Chances are that your own fanboyism for DBZ makes your throwing shade at other fanbases a pot meets kettle moment,
Chances are that i was responding to someone else and you stoop to calling me a dbz fanboy . Its obvoius you dont read the mangas and watch dragon ball super why bother.Chances are i was talking to solid snake.
@supergoku17: Just calling it like I see it sweety. Don't get upset when people do that.
Someone once brought up a nuke gun analogy on comicvine. Basically if you have a person with a nuke and a person with a gun, but it takes the guy 10 seconds to activate his nuke, the guy with the gun will likely kill the guy with the nuke before he uses the nuke. Unless that guy with the nuke has some protective gear he wont survive. So even though the guy with nuke has more power he wont be able to use it before the guy with the gun beats him.
Its similar with the battle forums. That is why speed is a dominant power in a lot of power house debates. This tends to benefit DC power houses because DC is much better at conveying super speed than marvel is for some reason. I mean speed isn't everything but very rarely will you find a match between two respectable power houses and one wont be powerful to even damage the other.
@supergoku17: Just calling it like I see it sweety. Don't get upset when people do that.
Ok sweety dont resort to calling someone a fanboy without prove. :)
@jashro44: So since odin is slower than superman, superman beats him right?
@jashro44: So since odin is slower than superman, superman beats him right?
No. Your straw manning me. I specifically said speed isn't everything.
@jashro44: So since odin is slower than superman, superman beats him right?
No. Your straw manning me. I specifically said speed isn't everything.
I know. That is why the speed arguement is flawed.
@supergoku17: Never said you were one. I said throwing shade at a fanbase is ironic.
@jashro44: So since odin is slower than superman, superman beats him right?
Odin has time manipulation and generally outclasses Superman in durability, power output and abilities. The speed argument becomes null and void because Odin is on another level and can counter or outright laugh off what Superman throws at him.
I find it's used just as much, if not more so, by Dragonball debaters to be perfectly honest.
And it's a perfectly valid argument to make. If one can prove decisively that one character is faster than the other by a significant margin and that character is able to damage the other at all, then they probably win.
Just make sure debates are between characters who are in the same ballpark of speed. One fighter can be definitively faster, just so long as it's not dozens or hundreds of times faster to the point the other fighter shouldn't be able to see them.
@jashro44: So since odin is slower than superman, superman beats him right?
Odin has time manipulation and generally outclasses Superman in durability, power output and abilities. The speed argument becomes null and void because Odin is on another level and can counter or outright laugh off what Superman throws at him.
This is off topic but like the jiren pic.
I know. That is why the speed arguement is flawed.
I think your missing the point. When people bring up supermans super speed against hulk or thor its not the only reason he wins but its the big advantage he has over them. I don't think anyone will deny superman is at least strong enough to hurt the hulk or thor so if he can blitz them before they can defend themselves properly they wont last to long. Likewise with his speed they can't tag him. Even if superman isn't as strong or durable, he is strong and durable enough to damage them and take damage if he does get hit, which if he is using his speed properly probably wont happen.
I mean what are you asking for exactly? For people to not talk about supermans speed because you don't like it? The point of the battle forums is to discuss advantages and disadvantages of characters. If you don't like it you should probably stay away from the battle forums.
@metaljimmor: Accept im a calm dbz debater.
@supergoku17:thanks i guess.
I know. That is why the speed arguement is flawed.
I think your missing the point. When people bring up supermans super speed against hulk or thor its not the only reason he wins but its the big advantage he has over them. I don't think anyone will deny superman is at least strong enough to hurt the hulk or thor so if he can blitz them before they can defend themselves properly they wont last to long. Likewise with his speed they can't tag him. Even if superman isn't as strong or durable, he is strong and durable enough to damage them and take damage if he does get hit, which if he is using his speed properly probably wont happen.
I mean what are you asking for exactly? For people to not talk about supermans speed because you don't like it? The point of the battle forums is to discuss advantages and disadvantages of characters. If you don't like it you should probably stay away from the battle forums.
Its comes down to power vs speed.
Someone once brought up a nuke gun analogy on comicvine. Basically if you have a person with a nuke and a person with a gun, but it takes the guy 10 seconds to activate his nuke, the guy with the gun will likely kill the guy with the nuke before he uses the nuke. Unless that guy with the nuke has some protective gear he wont survive. So even though the guy with nuke has more power he wont be able to use it before the guy with the gun beats him.
Its similar with the battle forums. That is why speed is a dominant power in a lot of power house debates. This tends to benefit DC power houses because DC is much better at conveying super speed than marvel is for some reason. I mean speed isn't everything but very rarely will you find a match between two respectable power houses and one wont be powerful to even damage the other.
Lately I've noticed people putting Naruto up against everyone in the battle forums and everytime they say "Naruto speedblitz and wins". Now I know it's not DBZ but it's manga so they are also doing it now.
Marvel fanboys LOOOVE to do this with characters like Daredevil as well.
I think the problem with this thread is the fact that you said it's dc fanboys who do this but everybody does it. Even in Goku threads people say "they can't tag Goku", so everyone does this DC fans can just do it more because we have more speedsters to look at than most other franchises
Lately I've noticed people putting Naruto up against everyone in the battle forums and everytime they say "Naruto speedblitz and wins". Now I know it's not DBZ but it's manga so they are also doing it now.
Marvel fanboys LOOOVE to do this with characters like Daredevil as well.
I think the problem with this thread is the fact that you said it's dc fanboys who do this but everybody does it. Even in Goku threads people say "they can't tag Goku", so everyone does this DC fans can just do it more because we have more speedsters to look at than most other franchises
Well this doesn't make sense because with characters who can speed blitz certain stipulations and factors play into. A morals on Silver Surfer isn't going to blitz Thor and turn his organs into jelly while TP'ing him at the same time. It goes against his pacifist nature. And at other times reaction speed can play into a battle. If somebody themselves isn't a speedster but has FTL reaction time then thats how a speedblitz can also get countered. Its not just a black and white scenario of "a speedblitz=automatic win" I would think people on this site who have been here for a few days would at least understand that.
@lordwhiskers: agreed
Lately I've noticed people putting Naruto up against everyone in the battle forums and everytime they say "Naruto speedblitz and wins".
To be fair, they are Ninja.
Ninja are kind of known for their speed. Their speed and their deadliness.
Not to mention, speed is kind of a huge deal in-verse for Naruto characters. If comic book speedsters never make full use of their speed, Naruto characters will always take full advantage of how much faster they are then their opponents.
@gnomishness: yeah no absolutely, but I just feel the OP bashes on Dc fans if they say flash or superman or wonderwoman has superspeed, but fails to mention that every franchise's fans do this.
If the flash went up against a ninja that would be their fight but if he went up against hulk it would have to come down to the fact that hulk can't tag him that's all I tried to say
I hate the speed argument because its overused and its a easy go to answer.Heck DC fanboys are obsessed with it.
overused ? it's a basic stat of any character more so in dc part given how they portray speed in their scans accordingly. how is that not relevant ? are you saying people should just ignore it then ?
it's an easy answer because it is a legitimate answer like how characters with no speed but higher levels of power or hax are generally an usher in answer. though it does fall in a pittrap of answer like how it can somehow bypass another character's reaction time despite said character being infinitely more powerful, a reasonable well rounded counter should suffice. you wouldn't argue on that ?
i feel you just haven't found a good argument against the speed answer that's why you don't like it that much.
edit: forgot to add, the speed argument even becomes more apparent once you factor in their personality. in character goku is less likely to kill an enemy in an instant as opposed to in character kid buu who will do it in an instant.
Someone once brought up a nuke gun analogy on comicvine. Basically if you have a person with a nuke and a person with a gun, but it takes the guy 10 seconds to activate his nuke, the guy with the gun will likely kill the guy with the nuke before he uses the nuke. Unless that guy with the nuke has some protective gear he wont survive. So even though the guy with nuke has more power he wont be able to use it before the guy with the gun beats him.
Its similar with the battle forums. That is why speed is a dominant power in a lot of power house debates. This tends to benefit DC power houses because DC is much better at conveying super speed than marvel is for some reason. I mean speed isn't everything but very rarely will you find a match between two respectable power houses and one wont be powerful to even damage the other.
I hate the speed argument because its overused and its a easy go to answer.Heck DC fanboys are obsessed with it.
You debate for DBZ, speed is a main reason why they win their fights. DBZ fanboys is as, if not more obsessed with speed than the DC fanboys.
I'm sorry Wally blitzes your favorite character.
No, superman does, lol
You debate for DBZ, speed is a main reason why they win their fights. DBZ fanboys is as, if not more obsessed with speed than the DC fanboys.
He's probably just plain salty because Superman beats hulk with speed.
Speed is often a determining factor in most battles, so long as the character in question isn't severely outclassed in other categories. I really don't see why you dislike that argument anymore than you do the whole "high destructive capacity equals an automatic win" that I see you using so often in Dragon Ball threads. It's quite simple really: if you don't like the argument, either attempt to refute it with actual facts or don't debate in that particular thread. No one is suddenly going to flush a valid argument down the toilet simply because you don't like it.
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