Would the source be an aspect of the presence
The Source vs The Presence
They aren’t the same.
Beings like The Presence, Mawu, Brahman, Quetzalcoatl, and many more denizens of the Sphere of Gods all occupy the same role as The Source in creation myths. However they’re still myths that do not usurp the original and were only allowed to exist because Hecate(a being who draws power from The Source) found them amusing.
The relationship is kind of like fact vs fiction. The Source is the true and actual one responsible for the existence of all things while supreme religious figures in the Sphere of Gods are just interpretations generated via belief from the collective unconscious.
And obviously the truth usurps a made up story just like how if one of our current cosmological theories was 100% true, it would usurp the Bible.
Death metal says they're the same then they're. Been proven that the presence has ties in other religions and other things. If your gonna keep crying about it lemme at least grab some bread to wipe up dem salty tears
@y3kthunder: The Presence along with many others represent the same thing in creation myths. I already explained this. Death Metal comparing them literally doesn’t change this at all since the context remains the same. The supreme figures of the Sphere of Gods have their own creation myths and do not usurp the original story from where they are interpreted from.
Also the Presence literally doesn’t have ties in any other denizens of the Sphere of Gods creation myths. The Oshiras didn’t even know who he was and the Old Gods like Zeus don’t recognize him to be the original interpretation.
And a legit omni unlike some claim
@xearesay: bruh the collective comes from the connective energy born of the presence that means he isn't some creation myth and existed before the others. Death metal practically tells you they're the same of the presence of the source.
You wanna bet? Kali is michael. Lucifer is a native american god. Stranger walks through multiple not Christan afterlives while In heaven.
Zues and rama actually do say theyre apart of the presence. And they say he is the biggest source of the godwave in creation. The center and soul of the universe hell when his power was being missed with they could feel there very beings start to die. Pralaya has ties with the hindu gods and she is apart of the presence. Mr miracle a new god tells supergirl she feels the source in heaven. The dude definitely has his ties ima.
@y3kthunder: The Presence's relationship to creation is something of myth made from his own belief system. And no amount of further expression of that myth will invalidate him being of myth.
Kali and Michael represent the same thing, the same way Mawu, Brahman, and The Presence also represent the same thing but under a different belief system.
Zues and rama actually do say theyre apart of the presence. And they say he is the biggest source of the godwave in creation. The center and soul of the universe hell when his power was being missed with they could feel there very beings start to die.
They never said that once in this issue. It wasn't Zeus and Rama who said the thing about the Godwave, it was Cronus. And you're literally taking this entirely out of context. The Presence was a portion of The God wave under one of the religious belief systems. He wasn't the full thing. Cronus was going to each religion and conquering them and their belief. By absorbing the power of each pantheon he would get the complete power of the Godwave.
Every religion literally had the power of The Godwave.
Under the Hindu belief system, Brahman is the creator of all things. He represents the same thing as The Presence but under a different belief system.
And Brahman literally flees in the face of Cronus. And Shiva who is more powerful than both Brahman and Kali literally gets killed by Cronus in this exact same issue.
After conquering merely two religions that hold the power of the Godwave, they were ready to storm the gates of Heaven.
Cronus would even go along to state that after wielding the power of two religions, heaven stood literally no chance.
And after conquering literally all of heaven and defeating the entire Pax Dei, he was going to wipe The Presence out of existence.
And he was only stopped by two pantheons being revived by Wonder Women and working together to stop Cronus. Which includes Shiva and Brahman who should be on par with The Presence since Brahman represents the same thing but under the Hindu belief system and Shiva is more powerful than him.
And after claiming the power of The Presence, and receiving the final trace of the Godwave, Cronus literally becomes one with Gaea. Implying Gaea > The Presence, Brahman, Shiva, Mawu, and all the other supreme god figures. And she's a being specifically a part of the Greek Mythological belief system.
Pralaya has ties with the hindu gods and she is apart of the presence.
No she isn't. Pralaya is directly said to be beyond God on panel.
Mr miracle a new god tells supergirl she feels the source in heaven. The dude definitely has his ties ima.
And Metron directly saids The Source is beyond God and Heaven. And Metron is obviously more credible than Mr. Miracle.
I agree there are ties but to act like The Presence has more ties than any of the other Gods of other belief systems is false. He's literally one of the many supreme creators within the mythic realms and the Wonder Woman issue blatantly showcases that other belief systems literally have beings greater and = to the Presence.
@xearesay: "The Presence's relationship to creation is something of myth made from his own belief system. And no amount of further expression of that myth will invalidate him being of myth.
Kali and Michael represent the same thing, the same way Mawu, Brahman, and The Presence also represent the same thing but under a different belief system"
The collective unconscious stems from him no getting around that atm.
https://imgur.com/a/LkYqFxf
And kali is actually an aspect of michael who is viewed different under said context of that belief system.
https://imgur.com/a/WF20qXg
Which is probably what mawu and brahma are going by the oshiras then why can mawu not be such a being. If a being like what you say did exist why should you alone know it's true face.
https://imgur.com/a/GsFK1LH
Which is further backed up because according to jmd brahma is apart of the presence
https://imgur.com/a/qn7VxVx
And this could also be backed by carey's words who say the presence and such are shaped and viewed differently in context to the belief system that is viewing them.
The mythological characters who actually come into Lucifer and play a part in the story lines present a different sort of case, because they're around for longer and they interact with Lucifer in ways that can sometimes come to seem like a sort of psychomachia -- a symbolic clash of figures who stand in for specific ideas. Sometimes I do that on purpose, other times I'm just aware of it as a possible option on how you interpret a scene.
In any case, the references are there for the reader to pick up or ignore. They're seldom crucial to how the scene plays out. In "The Morningstar Option,"when Blue Flint Girl refers to Lucifer as Atse'Hashke (the coyote god known as "First Angry One" in Navajo myth), she sets him free, by implication, from his Judeo-Christian context and acknowledges him as a more universal figure, a name for an archetype. But at the same time, simply because she names him, she implies that he has been labelled, recognised, confined to a measurable and specific place in the world-view which she embodies. She enlarges him and reduces him at the same time. But you don't have to take any of that on board to get the primary point that this canny old lady seems to have Lucifer's number."
"They never said that once in this issue. It wasn't Zeus and Rama who said the thing about the Godwave, it was Cronus. And you're literally taking this entirely out of context. The Presence was a portion of The God wave under one of the religious belief systems. He wasn't the full thing. Cronus was going to each religion and conquering them and their belief. By absorbing the power of each pantheon he would get the complete power of the Godwave."
Cronus literally says the presence is the center of creation and the ultimate source of the Godwave.
https://imgur.com/a/svWvjBF
And yes Rama and zues do admit that when cronus was in attempt to obtain the Godwave they could feel changes throughout the entire universe and zues feels his very being start to die
https://imgur.com/a/eKMtBX9
And once he got it he realized all where one and it was to much for him. Him viewing gaea literally only means what I've said before she is an aspect of the presence viewed in said context to that belief system.
"No she isn't. Pralaya is directly said to be beyond God on panel."
https://imgur.com/a/qn7VxVx
Lol yes sure in some stories they aren't but did you try to use a scan older than mine to justify yourself ?
The collective unconscious stems from him no getting around that atm.
No it doesn't LOL. He's a being of belief in the multiverse who has a creation story. Further expressions of his creation story will not change that he's of belief.
And kali is actually an aspect of michael who is viewed different under said context of that belief system.
I've already acknowledge this. Michael and Kali are the same being but a part of different belief systems. Michael = Kali.
Shiva > Brahman/Presence/Mawu > Kali/Michael.
Cronus whooped Shiva's ass.
Cronus > Shiva > Brahma/Presence/Mawu > Kali/Michael Demiurgos. Thanks for playing.
And this could also be backed by carey's words who say the presence and such are shaped and viewed differently in context to the belief system that is viewing them.
That's because they're all the same ideas but under different belief systems. You could say the same thing in vice versa.
"Brahman is shaped and viewed different in context to the belief system that is viewing them."
"Mawu is shaped and viewed differently in context to the belief system that is viewing them."
"Kali is shaped and viewed differently in context to the belief system that is viewing them."
Cronus literally says the presence is the center of creation and the ultimate source of the Godwave.
The Presence is the center of creation under that belief system. And he doesn't say The Presence is the "ultimate source of the Godwave."
He saids "The ultimate power of the Godwave." Which is just him describing the Godwave as an ultimate power. At no point in this story line does he call the Presence an ultimate source of the Godwave.
The central plot point for this part of the story line is after conquering all the realms of worship, Cronus will obtain the complete power of the Godwave. By going to each pantheon and taking their power he would harness more of the Godwave.
Cronus directly saids the Godwave is responsible for giving birth to Gods on the eternal plane... and that it resides within all deities(The Presence is a deity so this includes him). Directly refuting your silly misinterpretation of the story that it only existed in The Presence.
When Cronus was dabbling on going to invade Heaven, he regarded it as merely one of the many places of worship he would conquer.
The only reason he obtained the full power of the Godwave after stealing The Presences power was because Arch convinced him to double back on this plan, and suggested that it would be smarter to invade the East over Heaven so they could build a power base. Meaning they were invading heaven last, making the The Presence the last remaining portion of the Godwave Cronus needed to obtain the entirety of it.
Arch would also further go along to reference the Hindu Gods as shimmering with the power of The Godwave. Further proving that every pantheon had the power of the Godwave.
And yes Rama and zues do admit that when cronus was in attempt to obtain the Godwave they could feel changes throughout the entire universe and zues feels his very being start to die
Cronus already had a large portion of the Godwave. And changes throughout the entire universe were already happening when Cronus had taken the power of the Godwave from the Greek and Hindu pantheons.
Also Zeus was dying after Cronus defeated him, absorbed his power, and then casted him down to Earth. However absorbing the complete power of the Godwave would have killed all the gods anyway. Including the Presence.
And once he got it he realized all where one and it was to much for him. Him viewing gaea literally only means what I've said before she is an aspect of the presence viewed in said context to that belief system.
I'm not even gonna address this because this basically a further development of headcanon built off your previous lie that the Presence was the entirety of the Godwave despite the fact that we see other pantheons and Gods encompass the power of the Godwave.
https://imgur.com/a/qn7VxVx
Lol yes sure in some stories they aren't but did you try to use a scan older than mine to justify yourself ?
Dematteis responding to randoms on twitter is irrelevant in the face of what actually went through into the comic. Also it doesn't matter if the scan is older. Metron is and will always be more credible than Mr. Miracle.
@xearesay: literally gave you the scan nothing you say is gonna change that the collective unconscious is apart of the 7 energies that make a multiverse that energy is the connective engery born of the presence.
Lol brahma is only an aspect or part of the presence. Cronus already had her power before he tasted the presences which proved to be to much for him thanks for playing as you put it.
No incorrect cronus says at the top of these stairs is the center of all creation aka the presence the ultimate yes your right power of the Godwave. And when he takes the presences power he feels the full of the Godwave and it's to much.
Lol they said that directly as cronus was ascending the stairs and started to attack the presence. Also hey genius he did absorb all the Godwave and it turned out to be to much for him.
Other pantheons holding pieces of the Godwave don't mean much dude the Godwave exists in all things like the presence.
Give me one good reason as to why a clarification from jmd on his own story is irrelevant. Uh yes actually it does matter dude things change in books it's called a retcon
Why's this thread still a thing?
Cuz I asked if the presence and the source are the same (though I feel the source is an aspect of the Prsence)
The Collective Unconscious absolute stems from the Presence. The CU is connective energy which is born of the Presence/Source.
Dematteis responding to randoms on twitter is irrelevant in the face of what actually went through into the comic
And yet you constantly link Morrison statements lmao.
And Metron directly saids The Source is beyond God and Heaven. And Metron is obviously more credible than Mr. Miracle.
Im sure this would be relevant if this had been printed in 2020. Modern canon contradicts Metron.
@xearesay: @y3kthunder: : @enigma22: @deagonx: @userthatisme: I want to say something about this. The presence is consistently stated to be related to the source. The first being when Spectre called the Source an aspect of Michael meaning the nature of the Source is similar to the power of the Presence. Second, when Kronos took the ultimate source of godwave, he directly calls it the power of the presence meaning the godwave is the power of the presence like the Demiurge, and both the godwave and Demiurge is very similar to each other. Third, Wally west who had the connective energy and metron's chair stated that the Source and the presence are the same being and the connective energy is born from the both.
Please xearesay, stop Chery picking canon and scans and twisting character statements to move your agenda. The presence = the source= the void.
@xearesay: @y3kthunder: : @enigma22: @deagonx: @userthatisme: I want to say something about this. The presence is consistently stated to be related to the source. The first being when Spectre called the Source an aspect of Michael meaning the nature of the Source is similar to the power of the Presence. Second, when Kronos took the ultimate source of godwave, he directly calls it the power of the presence meaning the godwave is the power of the presence like the Demiurge, and both the godwave and Demiurge is very similar to each other. Third, Wally west who had the connective energy and metron's chair stated that the Source and the presence are the same being and the connective energy is born from the both.
Please xearesay, stop Chery picking canon and scans and twisting character statements to move your agenda. The presence = the source= the void.
I can agree with this heavily. But still think the overvoid is the aspects of both.
Well you're right about The Godwave and the Dunamis Demiurgos being quite similar. Especially if you're talking about the perspective of power which Michael was to The Presence.
Second, when Kronos took the ultimate source of godwave, he directly calls it the power of the presence meaning the godwave is the power of the presence like the Demiurge, and both the godwave and Demiurge is very similar to each other.
If you read Godwave revolution from start of finish, you'd know the complete Godwave was the combination of all the pantheons and not just The Presence. It's directly said by Chronos prior to invading Heaven that by conquering all the places of worship on the mythic planes, Chronos would have the complete power of the Godwave.
It's also directly stated that every deity contained the "The Godwave, that awesome spark that burst upon creation."
The Hindu Gods were described as the "pure force of The Godwave" after Chronus conquered them.
And after conquering both the Greek pantheon and Hindu pantheon Cronus would be stated to have more of the Godwave than any deity(which includes The Presence since he is one of the many deities).
Not trying to be rude but you'd basically to have to not read the entire story to think The Presence was the complete Godwave.
Ah such a lovely post by our dear xear. And now ladies and gentlemen it's time to tear it down lol.
So ladies and gentlemen after cronus defeated the greek and hindu pantheons he sets his eyes towards heaven. Upon reaching the gates he calls out and says that at the top of the stairs lies the center of all creation. The ultimate power of the godwave aka the presence then he issues out a challenge to heaven.
https://imgur.com/a/svWvjBF
He is answered by a low level angel who is easily killed which baffled the other angels who wished to know who it was that could erase one of the host from the book.
Then cronus and his minions bust down the gates and storm heaven making there way up the stairs to the presence.
https://imgur.com/a/D6Mh9Y9
With the very next page rama states he can feel a dark plague spread throughout the universe and zues states he can feel himself die.
https://imgur.com/a/eKMtBX9
Zaruiel then comes and brings diana and zeus and rama and the monkey to Greece where diana resurrects her gods and rama takes off to do the same to his. We get another statement that the presence is at the center of all creation.
https://imgur.com/a/VgjfHYo
Then once all the gods from both pantheons are resurrected they gather to make a plan to take out cronus with diana making another statement that cronus was attempting to invade the center of all creation.
https://imgur.com/a/uoDstkH
Then just as cronus was reaching the top of the stairs way to the presence the bull host leader steps in his way and shortly after diana and the other gods arrive with diana stating he will not take the throne of heaven meaning again he hasn't reached the presence. And with cronus claiming he will become all creation.
https://imgur.com/a/5Fz2Vce
Then cronus tells zues he will kill him with the power of the godwave using the weapon that conquered it zues realizes the power was in the sickle and tells diana who jumps and breaks it
https://imgur.com/a/gveiHNz
Which starts the reverse of the damage cause by cronus. Then all the other gods start to fight for the power held by the sickle but cronus gets to it first stating the power of the presence was his.
https://imgur.com/a/WTWHmeU
Meaning the godwave is in fact the presences and to further this point when he did absorb what was in the sickle he could feel the immensity of it the godwave imploding and exploding and it turned out to be to much for him.
https://imgur.com/a/uZ82wiH
@xearesay: YK responded to you so I think I don't have to.
@userthatisme: @deagonx: @properthe1: @enigma22: @xearesay: @y3kthunder: Now I will prove why the Source is an aspect of the presence.
When the Spectre meets the Source he directly calls it to be an aspect of none other than Michael demiurgos himself, and we know that the Source is responsible for creation and guess what? Michael's power, the Demiurge, which was given to him by the presence was also responsible for creating creation. This is very consistent, as when Super girl says she feels something similar beyond the gates of heaven and Mr miracle confirms that it was the Source behind the gates of heaven. Now who was behind that gate? Michael demiurgos.
The Source is definitely the power of he Presence explained by me and my friend Y3kthunder.
@god_spawn58: YK's response literally doesn't address my point. He's just narrating the final issue while mentioning similar sentiments that were also expressed about the other pantheons in the first and second issue of Godwave revolution.
I could literally find similar expressions he has for the Presence with the Hindu pantheon.
"Behold mount Mandara, Diana. Through which passes the axis of the world and of all things!"
"Behold the Trimurti, the three Gods who encompass all time and space. They are the prime manifestations of Brahman, the universal spirit that flows through all creation."
"Brahma is the creator of all things."
"Gaze upon my children the pure force of the Godwave."
The fact that still remains is to have the complete power of the Godwave Chronos would need to conquer every pantheon and not just The Presence because every deity contains the power of the Godwave. So you guys repeating scans stating the Presence contains the Godwave does not disprove my point. It's just you guys further adding Ad-nauseum into this thread.
Now on to addressing your scans which you claim support The Source being an aspect of The Presence.
1. This scan is just talking about how The Source was born out of the Overvoid. The Presence isn't even mentioned on the panel. I don't understand how this is supposed to support your point.
2. This scan is out of context. The Spectre would go along towards the end of his tangent to finally regard The Source as not being who he thinks it is because he simply doesn't know who the Source is. Hence why he's begging The Source to tell him who it is. Which means his entire previous commentary(as if it wasn't already obvious enough by how he was behaving) was a string of assumptions.
"I still don't understand! If you are here Lord God, why must I go on? No! I cannot accept this! If you are the one I seek, then tell me! Tell me what became of heaven! If you are not, then tell me who or what you are! Tell me!"
3. The third scan is also being read wrong. Mr. Miracle saids "You feel the Source Supergirl, it welcomes us all." However right before Michael shows up Raven would sense a wrong feeling and be forced to flee and the entire group would be denied access to Heaven. Which directly contradicts Heaven being The Source because The Source "welcomes us all," and Heaven does not. Meaning Mr. Miracle was basically wrong about Heaven being The Source since he was directly contradicted by Heaven turning out to not being a place that welcomes everyone.
Which is further supported by much more credible characters like Metron referring to the Source as beyond terms like Heaven and God.
This is actually the closest scan to supporting your point, meanwhile I have a dozen+ suggesting the exact opposite.
@xearesay said:@god_spawn58:
Now on to addressing your scans which you claim support The Source being an aspect of The Presence.
Me too!
1. This scan is just talking about how The Source was born out of the Overvoid. The Presence isn't even mentioned on the panel. I don't understand how this is supposed to support your point.
I only used it because it was the only pic I had of the Source, lol.
2. This scan is out of context. The Spectre would go along towards the end of his tangent to finally regard The Source as not being who he thinks it is because he simply doesn't know who the Source is. Hence why he's begging The Source to tell him who it is. Which means his entire previous commentary(as if it wasn't already obvious enough by how he was behaving) was a string of assumptions.
No, you are using your own intrepetion and trying to argue that it is the right one which is not right as I will explain. The source is a pool of infinte raw energy, the spark that created creation, spectre just can't comprehend it as the power of the Source is just too much for him to understand and also the Source is transdual Nirvana type of thing so you can't expect the spectre to comprehend the true nature of the Presence's power, lucifer can because lucifer has literally tanked a similar energy head on. No, the quote of the Source being an aspect of Michael was after the Source came down to the level of spectre which happens a lot of time especially in Death of the new gods.
"I still don't understand! If you are here Lord God, why must I go on? No! I cannot accept this! If you are the one I seek, then tell me! Tell me what became of heaven! If you are not, then tell me who or what you are! Tell me!"
I don't understand why you are quoting that?
3. The third scan is also being read wrong. Mr. Miracle saids "You feel the Source Supergirl, it welcomes us all." However right before Michael shows up Raven would sense a wrong feeling and be forced to flee and the entire group would be denied access to Heaven. Which directly contradicts Heaven being The Source because The Source "welcomes us all," and Heaven does not. Meaning Mr. Miracle was basically wrong about Heaven being The Source.
Because Raven is the daughter of literally evil incarnate and the presence has shown to have some relationship with trigon and not wanting someone related to trigon in Heaven is literally what the Presence wanted. And the statement was made by a new god who understands the Source better than you do. You are making assumptions while completely ignoring what the comic says. I said Michael's aspect is the source and not heaven itself due to me miracle saying past the gate is the source and Michael was past the door.
Which is further supported by much more credible characters like Metron referring to the Source as beyond terms like Heaven and God.
You k ow that new Genesis is also called heaven? Also Wally west, the man who had metron's chair and has the connective energy directly confirms the Source to be related to the presence. So I will take Wally's word over someone who hasn't even seen the Source.
Since Source = Presence and Source is an aspect of Michael, then the Presence is an aspect of Michael. Michael > Presence
@alonis3612: that's funny.
@alonis3612: the Source back in the comics is shown to be an aspect of Michael but in the newer comics the presence and the source are potrayed to be the same exact thing. I just wanted to clear this Presence having no relationship with the Source despite a bunch of examples directly showing the both to be the same. Also you should add me your discord as I want to add you to my Discord cave of examples.
@god_spawn58: When was the Source shown to be an aspect of Michael?
@alonis3612: it was at two moments. First was when the Spectre thinks the Source to be an aspect of Michael. The second being when Mr miracle's open the door of heaven he fells the Source to be there, and afterwards it was shown to be Michael behind that door.
@god_spawn58: Neither instances prove that the Source is an aspect of Michael. There is the whole of Heaven behind the gates of Heaven, not only Michael. In the other scan Spectre has no certain idea whether the Source is an aspect of Michael. Heck he says that the Uni-Friend could be an aspect of some other angel. His words are ultimately not credible anyways.
Similar sentiments despite he was said by multiple gods and multiple times to be the center of all creation and if cronus took his throne he would become all creation. and cronus literally says the power in his weapon is the godwave and it's the presences power and he literally feels the godwave once he absorbed what was in the weapon also, he never reached the end of the stairs he never reached the presence....
As for the spectre source thing spectre goes to the source and senses the closet thing to heaven so he asks the source to pick something he can comprehend and it does in the form of the uni friend which spectre believes could be an aspect of michael or another arch angel. And so he asks the source about God and the source replies you wish to know the mystery of god. And it gives him a taste in which he feels and becomes apart of everything. It also makes another hint that the godwave is his power while spectre notes he feels a primordial explosion imploding and exploding. And this goes along with what the presence says later on to jim, he tells him you cannot fathom or percieve all the dimensions I exist in. And that further helps by the fact he has been repeatedly stated to be omnipresent
@alonis3612: yes it does actual. Mr miracle did not state that the Heaven was the Source, he just stated behind the gates was the Source and we find out that what was behind that gate was Michael demiurgos. Also, you can call it the presence too as the presence was chilling behind the gates
too so it just depends on interpretation. Yes! Spectre is confused but even in a confused state he says that it is associated with Michael or any other archangel and this confirms that the presence has a power closely resembling the Source so my theory is that the Presence made the source to use it's energy to create creations kinda like how lucifer did it.
@god_spawn58: No.
Mr. Miracle didn't state that Michael is the Source, but we know that there is all of Heaven behind the gates so saying that Mr. Miracle was talking about Michael explicitly, is just a guess.
No he doesn't. Spectre says "perhaps", meaning that he thinks that it is a possibility. Moreover, he doesn't say that it is Michael explicitly.
Taking a character's guess as a fact isn't concrete evidence.
@alonis3612: Mr Miracle said that beyond the gates is the source and layer we see that Michael is beyond the gates. Mr Miracle dosent know Michael so my guess is that he didn't called the source to be Michael. Also, the presence was there too in heaven at that time so MR Miracle could be saying that it was the presence and not necessarily Michael.
Spectre just finds the Source to be something similar to Michael so he said it was an aspect of Michael but you can also day that the nature of the Source is similar to Michael meaning the Source has a nature similar to the presence as Michael is Presence's power.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778539366338527253/778720370089394216/Mthesoruce.png?width=321&height=475
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778539366338527253/778720370710282250/RCO018_1469639152.jpg?width=299&height=474
The Source/Monitor Mind is the supreme being of DC Multiverse....Presence seems to be another deity who can be counted as 'A God' than 'God' IMO.
Green lantern #12 proved they are the same.
Cronus identified the Godwave as the Presence, since the Source is "the manifestation of the Creator's power". And, as a matter of fact, when Cronus reach the the pinnacle of Heaven, he did not meet the Presence, but the Godwave itself.
https://i.imgur.com/Z9Jr8bN.png
https://i.imgur.com/l9ApAff.jpg
The Presence and the Source are the same. He is DCs Supreme Being.
He goes by many more names since the 1940s like Yahweh, the Hand, The One Above All, etc.
Being a casual poster I have seen those who are adding truthful interpretations of the material like @Y3kthunder and @Deagonx. But I'm also seeing those like @xearesay and @MichaelJulius who troll with all the nonsense head cannon.
@jayblack: Ah I got the source mixed up with TOAA my bad
I always figured the source was like an energy manifestation of existence in DC, while the presence is a divine being/entity. Almost like the the Source is to the DCU, what the Force is to STAR WARS. While the Presence is to the DCU, as TOAA is over in MARVEL. I may be mistaken in my interpretation, not to mention retcon’s I may not be considering or even know about 🤷♂️
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