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This a comprehensive respect thread for Dynamite comics The Shadow. Including DC and Darkhorse crossovers with Dynamite comics.

The Shadow himself is actually one of the first superheroes ever known in America. Before Superman who DC falsely claims to be the worlds first superhero. The Shadow was Pulp hero icon on the Radio and in Novels during the golden age of Noir stories. The Shadow was also the basis of Batman who straight up ripped off many concepts and stories of the Shadow.

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So with all that said, lets get to respecting the longest running, and best comic version of the iconic hero.

Strength

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Shadow with one hand and standing holds the weight of a full grown woman and full grown man.

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Shadow is able to punch out bullet proof armored cops.

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Shadow cracks the metal leg of a robot with a kick.

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Shadow has strength enough to hand to hand these chimpanzee's who can tear a grown apart in seconds.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow is able to shatter a thick metal ladder he was tied to when angered enough.

Durability

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Shadow brushes off a .45 caliber gun shot to the chest where his lungs is. While wounded, Shadow fights at normal capacity.

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Shadow is hit by a double barrel shotgun to the chest and gets up right afterword.

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Doc Savage is a super human by all measure of the word. Super durable to stop penetrating weapons, and survive falls that crush the concrete below his body. Savage is able to smash through solid floors above others, and overpower dozens of ninjas with no weapons. He punches Shadow full on thinking Shadow killed his friend, and sends Shadow flying back. Shadow is fine.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow gets back up from TK attack that sends him flying through a marble pillar and crashing into books shelf. Shattering the objects from the impact.

Speed

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Shadow time and again is untouched in the middle of bullet storms in fire fights from gangsters to train soldiers.

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Shadow is shown to move fast enough to dodge gunfire that was on target, side stepping the bullets after the guns went off last second.

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The Light is able to cut bullets out of the air with her speed. She done so many times. Yet in close combat and with no sword himself, Shadow is able to dodge and even catch her blade between his hands.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover shows Shian Khan is able to dodge bullets even at close range by moving out of their way before they hit. In close combat Shadow is able to react and hit Shian Khan.

Agility

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Shadow is able to jump over 30 feet down with no consequences.

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Shadow is able to effortlessly run along steep roofs and thin ledges of a city.

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Shadow scales the highest peaks.

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Shadow scales the walls of a hotel with speed.

Marksmenship

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Shadow accurate enough to shoot the shooter and the car tire with no misses in a high speed chase.

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Shadow is able to rapid fire with near perfect accuracy multiple Nazis.

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Shadow in total darkness rapid fires, and accurately wounds without killing several people.

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Shadow with one casually shoots the shotgun out of the bartenders hands.

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Shadow shoots out of the air thrown weapons.

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Shadow accurately shoots down Hunter Rose Grendal's thrown spear.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow rapid fires the ropes holding Batman before the shells touch the ground.

Skill

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The Shadow is stated to be America's best spy ever known. Stated to be a natural marksmen, the likes the general has never seen. Stated to have taken on and completed the toughest and deadliest missions of WW1.

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Shadow is train by the master escapist Harry Houdini himself. Making the Shadow one of the greatest escapist on the planet.

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Shadow stated to have unlock more than 10% of his brains capabilities. Learning various mystic arts.

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Shadow shows he knows Ninjitsu that Kato uses.

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Shadow shows knowledge enough to know the body reaction depending on the trauma is suffers.

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The Light is stated to be train in mystic arts and arguable the most skilled fencer in the world. Shadow own skill proves enough to dodge or counter attack her sword wielding with no weapons. Disarming her in their second fight even.

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Shadow shows nerve strikes to make the hand of a crime boss useless.

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Shadow uses pressure point on the extremely skilled Kato. Dropping him in one attack.

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Shadow pressure points the very skilled Hunter Rose Grendel by

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Shadow vs Grendel is written by Matt Wagner. A writer who writes for both Dynamite Shadow and Darkhorse Grendel comics. He has a realiable grasp of what both characters can doand this comic is as official as asking the writer himself how they compare.

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Shadow shows skill to fight and beat Hunter Rose Grendel in their first fight.

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Shadow stalemates a shot Hunter Rose Grendel in a weapon fight until Grendel shocks him in a blade lock up.

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Batman/Shadow and Shadow/Batman are both written by Steve Orlando. He is a major Batman and Justice League writer. Knowing full well what Batman can do. Its his opinion how these two compare via these comics. This crossover is a combine effort to have DC Batman and Dynamite Shadow meet. While this Batman is not canon per Post Crisis or New 52, this Batman has been through key events of both versions.

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The universe has the events of Knightfall where Bane breaks Batman's back in Post Crisis. Touches on the story of the contingencies plans to take down the Justice League which exist in this universe. The whole Court of Owl event is stated to have happen as it did in New 52. The events involving Damien Wayne are also stated and shown to have happen as in the New 52. This Batman is far from featless and comparable to canon ones with the references.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow states he train Batman as Henry Duncan and other trainers Bruce had over the years. Shadow also states he train and shape various Pulp Heroes of the early 1900s and the Post Crisis/New 52 heroes of DC in the guise of teachers/trainers. Shaping some of the best fighters in the world.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover series Shadow and Batman stalemate in hand to hand in their first confrontation where Shadow does not use his powers.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover series Shadow stated to have beaten Bruce in a sword fight during Batman's training as Henry Ducard. In their rematch Shadow roughly matches Batman but gets disarmed. Shadow does not use any of his powers here.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover series Batman and Shadow stalemate on more time in a fight before Shadow stops the fight. Shadow again uses none of his powers.

Read Hearts of Men

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The power is explain as able to read a mans heart of good or evil, and the secretes of his life. However the power can be affected by fate and the cosmos.

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This power as stated allows Shadow to itemize ones secrets like points of interest on a travel guide. Also shown that Black Sparrow is one of the rare few immune to this ability as deem by the cosmos/fate.

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Shadow is able to read the hearts of these men, knowing which were killers and which were innocent hired thugs. After offering them a choice, he kills all but the one who surrendered and knew of the randoms man's name and family by reading his heart.

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Shadow reads Margo and lists off her life interest points.

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Shadow reads this thug as a stated " His soul is an open book to me."

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Shadow with a look is able to see past the identities of every other pulp superhero including Green Hornet and The Spider.

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Shadow reads the heart and past crimes of this Nazi and what he did to his mother.

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Shadow is able to read the hearts of a man he never met before, but looking for in a crowd. He reads his misspent life that was written on his soul in the process.

Cloud Men's Minds

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Shadow explains he is able to mitigate his physical existence enough to appear invisible to others. Something many people who try it themselves cannot do.

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Shadow clouds the minds of Green Hornet and Kato.

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Shadow can cloud the mind of entire rooms of people.

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Shadow clouds the mind of a entire dockyard.

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Shadow clouds the minds of soldiers fighting each other.

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Shadow in combat clouds minds of these gangsters to seem to disappear from their sights and reappear as shadowy fog behind them.

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Shadow in combat appears to the gangsters that he is high above them only to show he was clouding their minds and really behind them.

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Shadow in combat clouds the minds of these Nazi soldiers to appear as a picture on the wall will it was too late.

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Shadow in combat clouds the minds of soldiers as he escaped their notice when they throw a grenade at him.

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Shadow in combat clouds the Light's mind to disappear in front of her in mid combat. She is able to dispel the ability though.

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Shadow in combat is mentally trick by a master illusionist at first, but soon counters by clouding the illusionist mind to kill him.

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Shadow in combat clouds the mind of the powerful psychic Dr Zorn. Train in the same arts as Shadow. Shadow Projects himself 100s of feet tall.

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Shadow freezes Dr Voodoo enough to steal the object of his hand without him knowing, then clouds his mind to think he still has it.

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The Dragon is a psychic being before the Universe was made that has shown powerful Pyrokenisis, Telekenetic attacks, and able to force the dead into its service. Even mind control of dozens at a time. Shadow has no issue clouding the entities mind.

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Shadow shows limits to hiding himself and his allies with clouding minds of an entire city block onlooking and police force without smoke bomb aid.

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Shadow shows limits by admitting clouding the minds of animals is not perfect.

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Clouding minds works mostly with no problem, though Shadow notes very rarely at times it may fail for no reason. Reason later described as because Fate and the Cosmos decided it would.

Hypnosis

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Shadow is able to hypnotize others via eye contact.

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Shadow is able to enhance his hypnosis abilities with his trademark ring.

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Shadow generates a terrifying illusion that scars the mind of a criminal.

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Shadow generates a illusion that makes a Nazi relieve what he did to his own mother.

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Shadow freezes all of the thugs but one.

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Shadow commands a wolf pack to move on.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow commands Hell Hounds attacks dogs to flee.

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Shadow commands a soulless man to commit suicide in his own mine field.

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Shadow commands a soldier to release him, help him arm up, and then leaves orders to snipe his own commander.

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Shadow commands a hitman to kill his own partner and then himself.

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Shadow controls the actions of civilians to kill the Nazis that captured him.

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Shadow can alter the memories of others with a command.

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Shadow hypnosis is strong enough to erase the memories of a man, and replace those missing memories with the memories and skills of the Shadow himself to act as a stand in. This hypnosis was so strong that the man was suffering full body 3rd degree burns but ignored the pain to carry out the orders.

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Shadow freezes Dr Voodoo enough to steal the object of his hand without him knowing, then clouds his mind to think he still has it.

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Shadow states he can command the living and the dead.

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Shadow commands a dead thug to give up info.

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Shadow commands a dead man with a head shot wound to give up info.

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Shadow commands a dead pilot to land a crashing plane safely.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow mentally shuts down Joker with a command, though it was only temporary.

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Shadow shows limits when attempting to command Hunter Rose Grendel who prove to strong in will power.

Clairvoyance

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Stated that Shadow has limited Clairvoyance, and able to perceive things from many different angles like a picture. Granting him a shadow sense.

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Shadow stated again he can see glimpse of the future of all whom he looks at. States kids futures are easier to read, but can read adults just the same.

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Shadow foresees the decision and hidden blade of this thug ahead of time.

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Shadow foresees Hitlers future and the coming WW2 war.

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Shadow lets a Japanese War criminal go after seeing his future death at the end of WW2.

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Shadow also has the ability t see things after they happen. Reading the past events that lead to this village massacre.

Shadow Network

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The shadow has a extensive and efficient network of spies and field agents that work for him. Mostly people he has saved from crime, and in return demands their services depending on their skills. Mostly use to gather information, provide transportation, or provide resources.

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The Shadow can mobilize field agents at a moments notice to lead into a battle as backup.

Psychic Resistance

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Dr Zorn was a powerful psychic who can mind control people across the city. Dr Zron was train by the same people who train Shadow and killed them with his power. Zorn states only due to Shadow being seriously wounded was he able to mind control Shadow to die in a fire. Shadow still fights this command and survives. Then Shadow counters by attacking Zorn mind directly with their connection from the attack.

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Dr Voodoo is a powerful hypnotist who mind control a small army of Ninjas against their will and force men to commit suicide at the same time. Dr Voodoo is able to mentally force ninjas to react to bullets sent his way and project powerful mental energy blasts to send others flying back. Shadow states he is able to shield himself and Doc Savage from Dr Voodoo.

Astral Form

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Shadow's astral form gets flung into the far future to take down a race of aliens threatening earth. Destroying them in the astral plane.

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In the Batman/Shadow crossover Shadow fights and defeats Shiwan Khan in the astral plane.

Eternal Youth

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Shadow is able to remain in his prime via rejuvenating techniques.

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In the Batman/Shadow Crossover, Batman understands Shadow remain in his prime by some method even though he been alive since the early 1900s.

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#3 Posted by lubub55 (12905 posts) - - Show Bio

Good work!

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#4 Posted by Jestersmiles (9826 posts) - - Show Bio

nice :)

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#5 Posted by entropy_aegis (20830 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be very impressive if you found the ability to make your point without lowballing others.

Superman IS the first superhero. The Shadow's influences on Batman have been repeatedly acknowledged by DC but Batman moved away from that character with in 2 years of his debut. So the Batman for 77 years of his existence has been nothing like Shadow.

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#6 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis:

Meh I think you opinion is pretty off.

Superman IS the first superhero.

Not at all. Shadow really is. Superman is the first comic one as far as I can tell. Shadow had supernatural like abilities and fought crime. Super Hero. Superman first appearance was 1938. The Shadow was first officially introduce in 1930. 8 year gap mate.

The Shadow's influences on Batman have been repeatedly acknowledged by DC but Batman moved away from that character with in 2 years of his debut. So the Batman for 77 years of his existence has been nothing like Shadow.

Meh, I dont see it.

Current Batman

  • Rich Playboy by day.
  • Detective of the highest level.
  • Has access to tech beyond his era.
  • Uses stealth and fear tactics as his go to method.

Shadow of the Past and Today

  • Rich Playboy by day.
  • Detective of the highest level.
  • Has access to tech beyond his era.
  • Uses stealth and fear tactics as his go to method.

In all seriousness, you dont have to be upset as a DC fan. I mean Batman is way more popular version of the original version that was the Shadow. Just as DC ripped off Man Thing with the more popular Swamp Thing. Good for DC. Thats a win for them right? I just call the facts how I see it is all. Just my opinion.

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#7 Posted by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: @entropy_aegis: The true first superhero is actually Tarzan, who was created in 1912 IIRC. He’s absolutely a superhero too.

Unless you want to count someone like Hercules and other mythological characters, then we’re all wrong. Lol

But The Shadow is the first vigilante superhero.

Nice respect thread by the way. I kind of want to do Gravel vs The Shadow.

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#8 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@tparks said:

@sirfizzwhizz: @entropy_aegis: The true first superhero is actually Tarzan, who was created in 1912 IIRC. He’s absolutely a superhero too.

Unless you want to count someone like Hercules and other mythological characters, then we’re all wrong. Lol

But The Shadow is the first vigilante superhero.

Nice respect thread by the way. I kind of want to do Gravel vs The Shadow.

Did Tarzan have super powers? I only say Super Hero because Shadow is the first non myth base hero with "mystical" abilities that made Radio, Novels, and soon comics.

Thanks.

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#9 Posted by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Ya he had super powers. The first book was like “How to write a superhero origin for dummies”.

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#10 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@tparks said:

@sirfizzwhizz: Ya he had super powers. The first book was like “How to write a superhero origin for dummies”.

No shit, then Tarzan would be the first.

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#11 Posted by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: There is actually an episode of Comic Book Men where they talk briefly about how they consider Tarzan the first superhero.

But The Shadow did just as much for superheros as Tarzan. Tarzan was probably the first character where his super powers and how he got them, and then eventually used them to save others, were the main focus of the book. But The Shadow introduces concepts like alternate identities and wearing a costume that identifies him, that had never been done before. Plus the dark stories and dealing with murders and criminals are what pretty much set the standard for street level (street level as in themes and stories at the street level, not necessarily power levels) superheros.

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#12 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@tparks: I have to find that episode of Comicbookmen.

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Lmfao that scan of The Darkness looking at Batman.

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#14 Edited by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: I think it’s one of the early ones. It’s only a brief sentence or two. The only reason I remember that is because I always said the same thing about Tarzan, and thought it was cool to hear someone on that show say the same thing.

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#15 Posted by tparks (11807 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Found it:

https://youtu.be/y9cdr7UvEoU

Although less of them agreed he was a superhero then I remember. Lol

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I'm impressed with this respect thread and Shadow seem awesome

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#17 Posted by entropy_aegis (20830 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: If you think having powers and fighting crime is what makes you a superhero then I think you're the one who's off. Superhero is about being a costumed brand. Otherwise mythological figures like Thor and Hercules would be the first superheroes not Shadow. Either way you're wrong.

And those also apply to Count of Monte Cristo (1844) and Zorro (1919). So these utterly basic traits existed well before Shadow. The only thing Batman really borrowed from Shadow was being a caped terror of the night.

I'm not upset but you could respect the Shadow without throwing other characters under the bus. Truth is that a lot of these pulp characters whose fans claim they're the bastion of originality were ripping off something else. Ideas dont exist in a vaccum, its putting the original spins and creativity to those ideas that matter.

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#18 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis:

If you think having powers and fighting crime is what makes you a superhero then I think you're the one who's off. Superhero is about being a costumed brand. Otherwise mythological figures like Thor and Hercules would be the first superheroes not Shadow. Either way you're wrong.

Pretty sure the Black outfit, with Red Scarf and hat is a costume he only wears to crime fight.

And those also apply to Count of Monte Cristo (1844) and Zorro (1919). So these utterly basic traits existed well before Shadow. The only thing Batman really borrowed from Shadow was being a caped terror of the night.

Neither had super powers.

I'm not upset but you could respect the Shadow without throwing other characters under the bus.

I threw no one under the bus. Stated facts that Shadow had super powers, a costume, adn fought crime 8 years before Superman was a thought. Facts.

Truth is that a lot of these pulp characters whose fans claim they're the bastion of originality were ripping off something else. Ideas dont exist in a vaccum, its putting the original spins and creativity to those ideas that matter.

Agreed. Like I said, Batman is a better version of Shadow that got popular. Swamp thing is a better version of Man Thing which they ripped off too. If DC and Marvel can rip off characters and make them better, then good for them. Nothing wrong with that.

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#22 Edited by BruceVeidt (3570 posts) - - Show Bio

Very nice.

@sirfizzwhizz what do you think of the 1994 film adaptation with Alec Baldwin? Been a lot of years since i last seen it but i used to love it as a child.

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#25 Posted by Lan_Fan (13210 posts) - - Show Bio

@bruceveidt: Probably talking about it in PM is more appropriate if you're interested.