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#1 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

In the first infinity war movie, corvus was going toe to toe with vision but was struggling against widow and cap, cull obsidian was handling the hulk buster just fine. Proxima could have beaten widow, cap and falcon by herself and ebony maw was pretty confident he could handle iron man by himself easily

Then came endgame, thanos and the black order already saw the future, so you would have to think that they would be shown justice, except the russos thought otherwise, cull obsidian didnt even last for a minute, PIS that falcon and giant man are enough to hurt him, hes suppose to be > hulk buster, ebony maw could have easily been utilised better especially against the heroes. Corvus again is shown the ultimate disrespect as he is now killed with his own blade again. Seriously why did thanos choose the black order if they are this weak? Do the russos clearly not care?

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#2 Posted by Rebake (4561 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_titan_: I guess for some of them, being younger means less experience. And yeah, they could've been used way better but Thanos was the main threat and I guess the Russos didn't want the Black Order to overshadow Thanos as a threat. Cull getting crushed by Giant Man does make sense. Okoye stabbing Corvus so easily doesn't. Maw was untouched throughout the entire battle, so he was just underused. Didn't remember much of what Proxima did.

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#3 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake: Proxima wasnt used at all, she was with corvus, ironically she did not die until the snap

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#4 Posted by Lan_Fan (15969 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, they don't care about this team.

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#5 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (17136 posts) - - Show Bio

The Black Order play a part in the MCU’s power level inconsistencies.

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#6 Posted by iLeo (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah I was super pissed about Cull getting beat up by everyone back to back for a whole minute before getting killed by Giant Man in a literal stomp.

-Tries to wreck some fodder just to be hit by lightning charged Mjolnir from Cap

-Tries to fight Korg only to be stabbed in back repeatedly by Drax then knocked tf out by Korg

-Tries to redeem himself by stomping Iron Man again just to be snatched by Spider-Man then killed

That shit was wack. Proxima didn't get any screentime. Corvus dies to Okoye in the most dumbass way. Ebony Maw does nothing but hold Black Panther but fails to even kill him smh.

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#7 Posted by Aka_aka_aka_ak (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember when the clip of Black Widow, Falcon and Cap vs Proxima and Corvus was released before IW and we all thought there was some missing context? Yeah no, their power levels are just all over the place

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#8 Posted by Mekboy (2754 posts) - - Show Bio

Do the russos clearly not care?

Yes. They cared for like 5 characters at most in Endgame.

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#9 Posted by TonyMartial (9888 posts) - - Show Bio

In the comics they suck as well. Proxima was Luke Cage level iirc. Not the russos.

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#10 Posted by Heatforce (6410 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I guess it's a good thing they were never teased like Thanos was throughout the infinity saga. That would have made them super disappointing. Might as well name each one Captain Phasma.

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#11 Posted by Aros001 (3694 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh no! They wasted so much time focusing on all the established characters and their emotional and character-based journeys that the Russos didn't give enough focus to a few incredibly minor henchmen villains and their feats! Clearly it's because they hate the Black Order, their fans, and the entire concept of the battle forum! Such terrible, garbage directors!

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#12 Posted by Heatforce (6410 posts) - - Show Bio

@aros001 said:

Oh no! They wasted so much time focusing on all the established characters and their emotional and character-based journeys that the Russos didn't give enough focus to a few incredibly minor henchmen villains and their feats! Clearly it's because they hate the Black Order, their fans, and the entire concept of the battle forum! Such terrible, garbage directors!

To be fair, since they were basically pointless their screen time could have been used for the other established characters 🤷‍♂️

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#13 Posted by Y2G (454 posts) - - Show Bio

Does it matter? Both movies are great and didn't need anything more from them than what was given.

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#14 Posted by Magian (152054 posts) - - Show Bio

^This pretty much.

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#15 Edited by TrueMoonchilde (2155 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't recall Corvas getting stabbed with his own spear in Endgame, I think Okoye just stabbed him with her spear. While it is kindof silly that he goes down to an opponent he should logically far outclass, he was shown taking out a lot of un-named fodder heroes, including asgardians and sorcerers, left and right up until that point. Embarrassing and inconsistent death aside, he got the best feats of the Black Order in this film.

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#16 Edited by kgb725 (19551 posts) - - Show Bio

They are just henchman. Corvus and proxima were weary of Wanda's power , Hulk wouldve handled Cull easily considering spiderman did twice , and maw is overrated.

They were there so the others could have someone to fight

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#17 Posted by PenguinDust (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

They’re sub-bosses. You kill them on the way to the boss encounter for XP or to learn a skill needed for the boss.

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#18 Posted by Subline (8708 posts) - - Show Bio

Maw was consistently good, stomped Doctor Strange, pretty much ignored Spider-Man and stomped Black Panther.

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#19 Posted by bleidd (341 posts) - - Show Bio

The Black Order was never that powerful to begin with even in the comics.

Proxima was matched by Luke Cage, Black Dwarf/Cull first lost to T'Challa (Although the fight took place off-panel, so we don't know if T'challa alone beat him) and then got one-shotted by Ronan. Don't remember any noteworthy feats from Corvus. Supergiant and Maw were the only ones who were remotely impressive and their characters were merged into one in the movies.

The only complaint I have is Okoye one-shotting Corvus in Endgame. That was stupid. The Russos are quite inconsistent when it comes to character's power levels.

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#20 Edited by King_Krown (1253 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_titan_How are they inconsistent? Cull got outsmarted & outplayed all 3 fights. It not even a matter of Strength t all.

Proxima & Glaive never did anything in the movie to suggest they were even above low-mid tier. Glaive WEAKENED vision and was still dancing around with him. Vision couldn't shift, nor fly and clearly didn't have his strength.

Proxima isn't inconsistent at all. Wanda was doing fine against Proxima & was more concerned about Vision. That said Proxima got jumped at the end of the first fight & jumped the 2nd(Wakanda). No,She wasn't beating the team cap trio at all. 2 close & long range fighters plus Cap. She fought twice,got jumped twice,lost twice. That's consistent,

Maw got outplayed the first time. Second time,he got dusted. No on overpowered him.

The only thing about Corvus' lost is it was quick. getting 1 shot is disappointing, but Cap was holding his own and got smacked worrying about Vision.

I very much wanted more from Proxima & Glaive, but they aren't inconsistent. They just aren't really characters in this. There was no time for them.

@bleidd Dwarf got jumped by Ronan,a Super skrull and a few others. Ronan crushed his head when he was immobilized. That said,dude is still near featless.

@tonymartial Basically the only thing strong about them was their weapons & abilities. All mid tier canons,save for Dwarf who got beat off-panel. returned,was jumped and killed.

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#21 Posted by chuggachugga170 (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@bleidd: proxima and corvus were very powerful in the comics, like corvus beating wolverine and some of the xmen and both of proxima and corvus beating the hulk

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#22 Posted by Green_Tea (10575 posts) - - Show Bio

@chuggachugga170: proximal and cull managed to subdue hulk only with their weapons, not their physical stats

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#23 Posted by APEX_pretador (21307 posts) - - Show Bio

As a massive black order fan, I'm disappointed.

#teamCorvusGlave. Russo's just hate these epic characters.

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#24 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6689 posts) - - Show Bio

Villains get no respect.

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#26 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6689 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonymartial: proxima was wrecking the mighty avengers she only lost to plot against "no pasaran" luke cage.

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#27 Posted by The_Kidd (12329 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh. The Black Order is trash in comics too.

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#28 Posted by Tomkatie (3413 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone actually like Black Order tho

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#29 Posted by HereForOneShot (174 posts) - - Show Bio

Who the hell cares besides comic book nerds

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#30 Posted by jashugan (6652 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone actually like Black Order tho

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#31 Edited by GeraltsOpinion (427 posts) - - Show Bio

In infinity war they almost all won their fights against the heroes. Corvus and proxima both almost killed multiple avengers. Cull was beating Ironman and hulk buster. Maw straight up beat Dr. Strange. In Endgame they where not important to the story. They nearly all lost in sneak attack ways. Not by fighting.

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#32 Posted by IAmTheLaw (857 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually thinking back now - with how poorly Cull did against everybody except Iron Man, I'm starting to think the Russo's didn't like Iron Man as a powerhouse. Lost to Cap + Bucky, was losing to Cull, lost to Thanos (who wasn't attempting to kill him), lost to Thanos easily (who was attempting to kill him), and was losing to Cull again.

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#33 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3093 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does anyone care? No one even likes the Black Order

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#34 Posted by TheVivas (19549 posts) - - Show Bio

The movie was already three hours long and adding in more scenes with them or extended scenes with them would have clogged up the final fight. Not to mention they’re characters the general audience hasn’t gotten to know or care about over the course of ten years like the other heroes, they’re just henchmen to Thanos who were only really introduced in the first place as another enemy the Avengers could fight in IW besides Thanos.