Ok which individual comics or story arcs do you think were the best for last year.
The Best Comics of 2008
All-Star Superman 10-12
Justice League of America: Kingdom Come Special - Superman
X-Force 1-6 - Demons & Angles
Green Lantern 25 - Sinestro Corps Finale
Final Crisis - Submit
There from the top of my head.
- All Stars Superman
- Green Lantern
- Thor
- Batman
- Action Comics
- Final Crisis
- Captain America
- Secret Six
- Blue Beetle
- Nightwing
Green Lantern
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Action Comics
Thor
these were my favorites to read this year... as far as Comic Ongoing series...
Amazing Spider-Man
Fantastic Four
She-Hulk
Thor
Thunderbolts
Just cause...Worse that I've read:
ADAM: Legend of the Blue Marvel
Cable
New Avengers
Ultimates 3
Ultimatum
New AvengersI'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
Here are some of the titles which I think have been the best in 2008:
- X-Factor: Laylar Miller Special Oneshot = AMAZING!
- X-Factor: The Quick and The Dead Oneshot. (although the main title wasn't as great this year, these two issues were, in my opinion, brilliant).
- New X-Men/ X-Factor/ X-Men/ Uncanny X-Men final Messiah Complex issues.
- New Avengers - I loved The Hood arc, and The Hood SI issue.
- X-Force - 10 issues of pure magic.
- Detective Comics - I was a big fan of Heart of Hush.
- Batman RIP - Six interesting a gripping issues.
- Green Lantern - specifically Rage of the Red Lanterns.
"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P
"Marvel Knight said:Ever since Civil War hit, that series has just been blah to me, and one of my favorite characters is on it.New AvengersI'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
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"John Valentine said:Haha, I've liked it more since Civil War."Marvel Knight said:Ever since Civil War hit, that series has just been blah to me, and one of my favorite characters is on it."New AvengersI'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
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"Marvel Knight said:With the line up the have they should just cancel the series and start up one called Marvel Knights. They are all so street level to call themselves Avengers."John Valentine said:Haha, I've liked it more since Civil War.""Marvel Knight said:Ever since Civil War hit, that series has just been blah to me, and one of my favorite characters is on it."New AvengersI'd disagree. IMO, New Avengers has been one of Marvel's best title's this year. Sure the SI tie-ins may have dragged on a bit, but they were by no means poor, and the art was excellent. The Hood's arc in New Avengers also only finished this year, and I REALLY liked that.
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I see your point, and it's entirely valid. There were a lot of street level characters but at the end of the day the only difference between the post CW and pre CW team was that Iron Man, Sentry and Ms.Marvel, characters who I don't care much for and Captain America, who was effectively a street level fighter, were not on the team........ Barton also joined, under the guise of Ronin, which I thought was an awesome concept. I thuroughly enjoyed the Hood's arc and the Hand arc.
"Supreme Marvel said:"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"
That's why I posted #10-#12 :P
"Nighthunter said:AHHHHHHH!!!!!! HYSTERIA!!!!!!!! CONFUSION!!!!!!!!!!"Supreme Marvel said:"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"
That's why I posted #10-#12 :P"
Graft said:
X-Force - AllTotally man.
"Supreme Marvel said:It's best of 2008. So I said the issues that were in 2008."Nighthunter said:AHHHHHHH!!!!!! HYSTERIA!!!!!!!! CONFUSION!!!!!!!!!!"Supreme Marvel said:"Most of All Star was before 2008. :)"but #10 came and it was my favorite issue ;P"
That's why I posted #10-#12 :P"
"
"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame.
"John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
I actually liked Heart of Hush, and the stuff before, just not the Ventriloquist arc. That girl being in love with a broken doll was simply ridiculous. I thought that Heart of Hush was one of the better RIP tie-ins, though that is not saying much.
I like the art, it bares a resemblence to Tim Sale's work on Batman.
"Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before"John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
"John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
"pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it"John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
"John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that.
"pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so.
"John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man."pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
"pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him"John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
"John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie.
"John Valentine said:She bore him a bastard child, that is enough.Talia al Ghul"I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina.
Selina FTW. They should have a "Battle for the Pants" as well, providing Bruce doesn't die, otherwise things could get weird.
"pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that."John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
"John Valentine said:That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself."pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that.""John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
"pixelized said:OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad"John Valentine said:That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself.""pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that.""John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
"John Valentine said:Not the outcome?"pixelized said:OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad""John Valentine said:That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself.""pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that.""John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
So someone who kills because they do it with good intention makes it a good action? No.
"pixelized said:No one was killed, so that's a bit extreme, but it all depends on the circumstances. Anyway he was mind wiped because everyone wanted to protect him. Zatanna did what she and others thought would be in his best interest. nothing malicious. If he anything he should like her because she'll have his safety/well being as a main priority."John Valentine said:Not the outcome?"pixelized said:OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad""John Valentine said:That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself.""pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that.""John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
So someone who kills because they do it with good intention makes it a good action? No."
"John Valentine said:Meh, I simply do not think that he should have a relationship with Zatanna, especially so soon after Identity Crisis, give it a decade and mabye. Anyway, this doesn't matter now, he's going to die."pixelized said:No one was killed, so that's a bit extreme, but it all depends on the circumstances. Anyway he was mind wiped because everyone wanted to protect him. Zatanna did what she and others thought would be in his best interest. nothing malicious. If he anything he should like her because she'll have his safety/well being as a main priority.""John Valentine said:Not the outcome?"pixelized said:OMG yes it. She wouldn't have done it did she not think it was good for him. It's your intentions that classify your actions as good or bad""John Valentine said:That's not the point. It's the effect of the action which matters, not the intent with which it was done or the action itself.""pixelized said:push me out of the way of an on coming bullet, only to land in the street and be hit by a car later, you did what was thought to to be best in that moment... can't fault you for that.""John Valentine said:It really depends on the flavour of the lollipop. Cherry would warrant a suicide attempt, Cola would result in suicide completion."pixelized said:but they were both down with good intentions. Me taking the lollipop from you could result in you committing suicide after. But how am i to know that? Batman wasn't supposed to know, a decision was made that everyone thought to be best at the time. For him to still hold a grudge now would be ridiculous. They've known each other since they were kids, he knows she wouldn't intentionally harm him""John Valentine said:The difference is that taking a lolly pop away will not result in me having a nervous breakdown, wiping someone's memory only for them to later find out would, especially considering that Bruce Wayne is already a rather cynical and mistrusting man.""pixelized said:She did it because she thought it was best for him.. like me taking away a lollipop from you because i don't want you to rot your teeth. there was no mal intent behind her actions."John Valentine said:No, but she was under no obligation to do so. He has every right to hate eveyone else too."pixelized said:you're right, she did do it. It was also a unanimous decision from everyone present. He shouldn't hate her for it""John Valentine said:She still did it and it resulted in a breakdown.""Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:She didn't do it frivolously, it was done in what was thought to be his best interest, surely Bruce has made decisions like that before""John Valentine said:I don't like the Zatanna/Batman relationship stuff. She mind-wiped him, so any chance at a relationship should be over. If anyone should have a relationship with Bruce, it's Selina."Esther Cotillard LeBeau said:I was just gonna say that!"I wasn't crazy about Heart of Hush.Paul Dini could have done better"
It was better than the stuff just before, I hated the ventriloquist arc, it was so lame."The ventriloquist was pretty dumb...and Dini trying to establish a romantic involvement between Zatanna and Batman was equally stupid.I think theres a big difference between writers like Morrison who write to make you think, and Dini who write and have written pretty predictable stuff. It didn't help that he teamed up with Dustin Nyugen(sp). I hated that art."
When did that happen again? Identity Crisis? I must re-read that."
I believe so."
It wouldn't be ridiculous for a man of Batman's mentality to hold a grudge, it may not be a very big one, but the feeling of mistrust would always linger.
If you had a friend, whom you had known since childhood ,who abused your trust in a similar fashion, I doubt that you would ever be able to fully trust them again. Taking into acount Brucie's inate sense of cycnism and mistrust, this sense of mistrust is greatly amplified.
He may know that she wouldn't intentially harm him, but she acted in a way which wasn't in his best interests, which cuased dire consequences.
Selina is a much better fit for Brucie."
So someone who kills because they do it with good intention makes it a good action? No."
He also likes fishnet tights, so that might sway his judgement somewhat.
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